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Beaver St. neighborhood among most dangerous
Jacksonville Business Journal
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The neighborhood bordered by Beaver and Broad streets is the fourth most dangerous neighborhood in the United States, according to a personal and consumer finance Web site.
Walletpop.com listed the 25 most dangerous neighborhoods in the U.S. based on information collected by neighborhoodscout.com and using data from the FBI and all 17,000 local law enforcement agencies, according to the Web site.
Although the statistics in the Jacksonville neighborhood are daunting -- predicting 47 violent crimes in that area this year with a one-in-five chance of a person becoming a victim -- there are neighborhoods in three other cities even more dangerous.
The 7th Avenue/North River Drive neighborhood in Miami ranked No. 3 on the list, State Street and Garfield Boulevard in Chicago was No. 2 and the Central Parkway/Liberty Street neighborhood in Cincinnati was the No. 1 most dangerous neighborhood in the U.S., according to the data.
In all, neighborhoods in four Florida cities were on the list. The other two were the Amelia Avenue/Tampa Street neighborhood in Tampa at No. 17 and the East-West Expressway/Orange Blossom Trail neighborhood in Orlando at No. 22.
Overall, Chicago had the most neighborhoods from a single city at four, followed by two each from Baltimore, Kansas City, Dallas and Memphis.
at least we made top 5 in something. way to go jacksonville!
link?
Beaver & Broad Sts? There is no neighborhood there, unless you count Trinity Mission.
1. Cincinnati - Central Parkway/Liberty
2. Chicago - State Street/Garfield Blvd
3. Miami - 7th Avenue/North River Drive
4. Jacksonville - Beaver Street/Broad Street
5. Baltimore - North Avenue/Belair Road
6. Kansas City - Bales Avenue/30th Street
7. Memphis - Warford Street/Mount Olive Road.
8. Kansas City - Forest Avenue/41st Street
9. Dallas - Route 352/Scyene Road
10. Richmond - Church Hill
11. Memphis - Bellevue Blvd./Lamar Avenue
12. Dallas - 2nd Avenue/Hatcher Street
13. Springfield, IL - Cook Street/11th Street
14. St. Louis - 14th Street/Dr. Martin Luther King, Dr.
15. Little Rock - Roosevelt Road/Bond Street
16. Philadelphia - Broad Street/Dauphin Street
17. Tampa - Amelia Avenue/Tampa Street
18. NYC - St. Nicholas Avenue.125th Street
19. Chicago - 66th Street/Yale Avenue
20. Baltimore - Orleans Street/Front Street
21. Cleveland - Cedar Avenue/55th Street
22. Orlando - EW Expressway/Orange Blossom Trail
23. Detroit - Mount Elliott/Palmer
24. Chicago - Wallace Street/58th Street
25. Chicago - Winchester Avenue/60th Street
http://www.walletpop.com/insurance/most-dangerous-neighborhoods
Here is the map from their site. Its basically what was once known as LaVilla.
(http://www.aolcdn.com/channels/03/05/4a3be696-002c5-03dca-cdbc8767)
I'm somewhat doubtful about the "realism" of this poll. If I go by the map that Lake posted, it would be tough to find upwards of 50 people who actually live in the designated area. This map includes dozens of empty lots and dozens more abandoned warehouses. If the poll data is based on per capita crime, then yes, this area might have an astonishing number because no one lives in it.
With that being said, it is still a very sketchy area with a lot of transients and others high on various things. I wouldn't exactly take a walk by myself through there anytime after dark. :-\
Quote from: hanjin1 on June 22, 2009, 01:13:02 PM
at least we made top 5 in something. way to go jacksonville!
Jacksonville has been top 5 or 10 in plenty of positive lists too. Most recently, best cities for the outdoors; I know that was linked on here.
I'm skepitcal about the data their using. As has already been noted, there's not a lot of anything over there.
Quote from: brainstormer on June 22, 2009, 03:14:07 PM
If the poll data is based on per capita crime, then yes, this area might have an astonishing number because no one lives in it.
Yeah, the methodology says it's based on per capita.
Most dangerous is LaVilla? Um, areas around Shand's are worse.
I also like how they gave intersections and no real neighborhood names. Of course, Orlando's is easy, that is Parramore.
sorry heres the link
http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/stories/2009/06/22/daily5.html?ana=from_rss
i by know means meant this to be a downer but this is just another facet of how our city is portrayed abroad but, all you have to do is look at jacksonville.com or watch the news and there is a daily front page murder so whether its real or just media hype, the fact that jacksonville can be a not so safe place to live is getting more attention.
I can't believe that all the TV news stations picked up this story! They were all so busy with their breathless fearmongering reports that they didn't take the time to analyze whether anyone actually lives in this so-called "neighborhood." It just demonstrates again, people from outside the core know so little about downtown that they take stories like this at face value.
There once was a tropical paradise, there were only 7 residents living there. A tragic murder suicide A man killed both of his neighbors, his wife and 3 children then shot himself cold dead.
Uh? That little "neighborhood" now as a murder rate of 100%, Worst damn neighborhood in the WORLD.
Imagine how easy it would be to tweak the numbers and create a news story from whole cloth!
OCKLAWAHA
Lol, leave it to the Jax media to screw things up. If you go to the actual Walletpop.com website, it has maps for each of the 25 listed districts.
(http://www.aolcdn.com/channels/03/05/4a3be696-002c5-03dca-cdbc8767)
Its clear that this area is LaVilla. First Coast News has a story throwing Brooklyn in there as well.
(http://www.firstcoastnews.com/genthumb.ashx?e=3&h=240&w=320&i=/assetpool/images/090622054604_062209_josh5a.jpg)
QuoteReginald Bridges lives in the Brooklyn community. He says the neighborhood he has called home since 1955 is a little run down, but it is safe.
"We have a lot of care and love for each other in terms of how we live on a daily basis," Bridges said.
The walletpop.com study paints a different story. Based on the data from local law enforcement, the study predicts 47 violent crimes will be committed in Brooklyn this year. The study goes on to say there is a one and five chance a person could be victimized in the area.
full article: http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=140361&catid=3
It's that darn convention center! All those murdering boat show guys are going to destroy the city.
OCKLAWAHA
The news in this town is a complete joke. I've never seen such sloppy reporting or misinformation. I just happened to run across this poll yesterday searching for a related item. I didn't realize it was new. I was just relieved it wasn't Springfield for once. The poll is definitely skewed as that area is a wasteland. What's effed up is that area is primed for development and this might scare off potential investment.
Hey, Brooklyn park is finished? :)
JSO is calling shenanigans on this study. It does seem a bit skewed, but like someone said earlier, I don't want to go walk around unarmed in that area at night either.
It seems like a lot of these neighborhoods are high traffic areas with little to no population density. More than half of neighborhood #5 is a cemetery and the suffounding area has almost no residential space. Neighborhood #20 has lots of commercial space, not a lot of residential and an interstate running along the western edge. Can't help but notice the similarity between them and Lavilla.
(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/photos/thumbs/lrg-3408-dsc_0004.JPG)
Hanging around the old Jacksonville Terminal day or evening, I've NEVER had any fears in this deadly "hood". I know most of the homeless, know their names, give them Christmas gifts, or other little token things that let them know someone cares. I've been hugged by some of the smelliest, dirty men and women on earth and I wouldn't have it any other way. Only once was any danger even hinted, when a professional girl warned me that two women approaching from the brush were known theives. "Make sure your car is locked...those two are no good."
Down in the Myrtle Avenue Subway, I've been passed by many times, still NOTHING. Up on Myrtle toward Beaver or Forest, NOTHING. Stopped down that way with Mr. Stephendare and we photographed some old buildings and again, not fear one. Even in tunnels under the old station, perfect hiding places for... well...hell, whatever. As I said, except for a few Hobo Jungles and the very few surviving residences, NOBODY LIVES in this place. JSO is right, something very weird about those numbers.
I don't plan to change my pattern so if I come up missing, somebody get a shovel! LOL!
OCKLAWAHA
JSO thiks that the story is completely false, judgin by their own data and experiences.
I would expect most of the violent crimes in that area to be homeless on homeless.
Hmm. Lets See.....Trinity Rescue Mission, Genovar's Hall ( the shell of) 4 or 5 boarded up Shotgun Houses... Yep. That is a really REALLY rough area there... I don't think we should even risk driving through there during the daytime.
Id be more afraid of University Blvd. N and the Merrill Road Intersection , personally.. But I ll remember to lock my doors and wear a bullet-proof vest while traveling through what remains of LaVilla.
Quote from: Ocklawaha on June 23, 2009, 09:57:22 PM
(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/photos/thumbs/lrg-3408-dsc_0004.JPG)
I don't plan to change my pattern so if I come up missing, somebody get a shovel! LOL!
OCKLAWAHA
No Ock....We're getting a Posse together if you come up missing :)