Just wanted to put together a list of the shops and things that have defined five points over the decades.
50s
The Golden Buddha
60s
Petersons Five and Dime.
Bogers Shoes
The Derby
Owens Pharmacy
Riverside Gowns
The Five Points Theater.
70s.
all of the above but I don't know any other places.
80s.
Edge City
River City Playhouse
The Camera Shoppe
Bridger's Display
The Frame Shop
Pizza Italian
Basel the Tailor
Repeat Performances
Foam City
Fans and Stoves
La Di Da
The Bicycle shop.
Riverside Liquors and Wine Shoppe
Heartworks Gallery
90s
Petersons Five and Dime.
Pizza Italian
Bogers Shoes
The Derby
Owens Pharmacy
Riverside Gowns
Club Five
Fusion Cafe
Five Points Deli
Richards
The Theory Shop
Now Hear This
Adcocks Costumes
Sitar of India
Kentucky Leatherworks
Clean Fun
Oppenheimers Kit Kat Club
Gold and Silver
La Di Da
Next Step Beyond Salon
Wall Street
Edge City
Nicotine
Lee Harvey Gallery
Franks Mongolian Barbeque
Riverside Liquors and Wine Shoppe
Subway Sandwiches
Heartworks Cafe
Big Shiny Shoes
2000s
Fuel Coffeehouse
Thee Imperial
Sushi Cafe
Wasabi
Starlight
Nest
Flux Gallery
Bogers
Fans and Stoves
Hovan
Pizza Italian
Studio 820
Hair Peace
Rainbows and Stars
Please help fill in the rest of the blanks!
Riverside park as a kid feeding those ducks was an important part of my day.
Just thought I'd run your thread back a few years Stephen.
In 1886 the Jacksonville Street Railway (mule cars) extended from the Brooklyn Car Barn south of McCoys Creek to the end of May Street, far out of town at Five Points Swamp. A picinic grounds, park and ball fields were installed.
2/24/1893 marked the start of electric streetcar service as the first car ran up Bay to Main and out to the waterworks. The Local Humane Society launched a campaign to retire the mule cars and on 2/28/1895 the Jacksonville Street Railway matched the Main Street Railway in launching electric cars to 5-Points.
1901, the Jacksonville Street Railway extended from 5-Points to Willow Branch Park.
1909, the Ortega Company, under John N.C. Stockton, launched the Ortega Traction Company, to build South of Willow Branch into Fairfax, across the Ortega River on Grand and hence south to Ortega Village via Baltic.
1918, The Duval Traction Company built from the end of the track in Ortega to Blacks Point on the St. Johns River at Camp Johnston (present day NAS JAX). This and other quick expansions gave us the title of the largest system in Florida.
The company was denied a favorable franchise and under intense political pressure to remake transit into a modern (GM) bus system, sold out in 1932. The franchise was granted to MOTOR TRANSIT COMPANY of Boston, who was owned by NATIONAL CITY LINES of Detroit! The last streetcars ran at 11:30 AM, December 12, 1936... In a freezing rain.
Jacksonville, was targeting a population of 200,000 when the Great Florida (Building) Boom collapsed in 1926, followed by the market crash and depression in 1929. For the purpose of BUS RAPID TRANSIT hold outs, in 1926, Jacksonville Traction Company carried 23,500,000 persons. In 2008 JTA broke the 10,000,000 rider mark... Say, you still want buses?
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had to shake the brain on this one...Edge City was actually late 70's.
There was a great bakery at that time also,"Goode's" which is where The Gold Exchange is I believe. In the 80's you can't forget the lizard lounge "The 5 Points Lounge" which had these cool circular booths on both sides and a great jukebox. Wish I could buy that place and get it back to the way it was.
Before Sitar of India there was in its place a restaurant that was home style that started with a H - Harwicks? Henleys?, then Sitar of India then a fab place owned by a woman chef (rare at the time) who had a great Carribean menu (1995 ish)
And Steven what about Smart bar? or was that part of the Fusion cafe and I'm seperating them?
There was also a Hearts of Lavendar that was before its time :)
" H - Harwicks? Henleys?,"
Hargrave's Steak House. Jack Hargrave in the space next to the 5 Points Theatre. You could get a steak for a few bucks that you could wrap around your shoulders and keep warm! He had a black lady cook that would pound a piece of calf's liver with a coke bottle with flour, salt and pepper until it was as tender as butter, then two minutes in the pan and heaven! ( If you liked liver!)
Bobby Marindino, who still works part time at the Riverside Wine Store& Bar during the week, had live jazz in the bar on the weekends. During the first Jacksonville Jazz Festivals some very famous people would come there to jam after the festival events were over. Famous names with local talent. Wonderful!
5 Points Theater was not only the first sound theater in Jax, but the first CinemaScope theater too. Saw Lawrence of Arabia and gasped with everyone when the curtains opened up to show the wide screen. It was the Imax of the day.
Basel the Taylor is still in 5 Points, but is now in his third location around the corner on Post next to Gina's. He was in the space of the 5 Points Men's Shop which was next to the theater for many years and dressed all of the "power" men in Jacksonville that weren't dressed by Rosenblum's downtown.
We need Peterson's and Tower's Hardware (corner of Park and Lomax) back! Between the two of them you could get anything you needed to live. Before Tower's Hardware there was a grocery store there.
There has been and probably will always be an ebb and flow of stores in 5 Points that serves the changing needs of the neighborhood and those who share the values of people of the neighborhood.
I think Edge City actually goes back to the late 60s - selling black light posters and smoking paraphernalia (for tobacco products, of course!). The Five Points News Stand goes back at least to the late 60s also. I was too young to get into the "back room" there! I remember Hargrave's and Petersons - which has a side entrance on Post Street. The Theater building was full of doctor and dentist offices. There was a jewelry store on the corner of Post and Park - where the new "Bistro" is - was it an Underwood's? I don't remember.
Five Points had some different street names around 1900. The ones I love were named for fruits - Banana Street and Orange Street. Sounds a lot more interesting than names of forgotten city politicos.
Wolfgang
O'Brothers
Mossfire
Larry's
Carribean Connection
Ragland's
Steamworks
I remember a music store that sold instruments in the 90's... I believe it was in the Gold Exchange.
Spiller's Framing (sp?) 2000's
Midnight Sun
Don't know if this counts but there was a model railroad club in the second floor space above Owens Pharmacy for something like 25 years. The Gateway Model Railroad Club lost its lease about 3 years ago and has been looking for a space ever since. Anyone know any empty spaces that a non profit social club could rent at a very minimal charge?
The news stand goes back at least to the early '60's and maybe the '50's.
And don't forget the Riverside Gown Shop in the 40's-60's where everyone in Riverside and Avondale bought their prom and coming-out dresses. (Oh my, how the meanings of some words have changed with the years!) Debutantes!
There was Hypnotique in the 90's and 2000
Quote from: lindab on June 11, 2009, 07:04:27 AM
Five Points had some different street names around 1900. The ones I love were named for fruits - Banana Street and Orange Street. Sounds a lot more interesting than names of forgotten city politicos.
Here here!
I recently discovered the 1930 bungalow my wife and I purchased about a year ago used to reside on Lemon Street--much more of an evocative name than the generic sounding College.
I would love to see Riverside streets revert to their earlier 20th century fruit names.
Milo! 8)
Omg.. used to love this place.
Stephen you may have actually met me up there at the railroad club. I was a member for many years. I also remember Charlie Dixon very well. I was a reporter for several local radio stations when they use to do news and Charlie was in my rolodex.
Spiller's Gallery and Framing was there in 1979 and probably much earlier.
Wasn't there an A&P Grocery directly opposite the Derby House, in the Fans and Stoves building?
I know there was a grocery there, but don't remember the chain. Maybe Setzers?
Quote from: Dog Walker on June 11, 2009, 10:50:28 AM
The news stand goes back at least to the early '60's and maybe the '50's.
And don't forget the Riverside Gown Shop in the 40's-60's where everyone in Riverside and Avondale bought their prom and coming-out dresses. (Oh my, how the meanings of some words have changed with the years!) Debutantes!
I knew the owners of Riverside Gown. They eventually moved it to Mandarin before selling it to someone who finally went out of business with it.
The news stand definitely goes way back but not sure how far. It's been their since my childhood as I recall.
We also knew the owner of the 5 Points Movie Theater. My recollection was seeing 2001: A Space Odyssey, Mary Poppins, Sound of Music, and many other great movies there.
Like San Marco and many places around Jax, I think there was a Stand N' Snack shop in/near 5 Points in the 60's/70's.
One of the great restaurants in Jax history was Fred Abood's Green Derby on the corner of the Blue Cross/Blue Shield property on Riverside Avenue.
Tads Restaurant was on Forest Street in Brooklyn until DOT condemned it for the street reconstruction.
Just on the edge of Riverside, Sandy's Steer Room for the best steaks in Jax, was located in the Jacksonville Farmers Market near Stockton and Beaver.
Quote from: Charles Hunter on June 11, 2009, 08:16:31 PM
Wasn't there an A&P Grocery directly opposite the Derby House, in the Fans and Stoves building?
I know there was a grocery there, but don't remember the chain. Maybe Setzers?
I don't know the answer but another old Jax grocery chain was Daylight Grocery.
Quote from: stjr on June 12, 2009, 01:41:49 AM
Quote from: Charles Hunter on June 11, 2009, 08:16:31 PM
Wasn't there an A&P Grocery directly opposite the Derby House, in the Fans and Stoves building?
I know there was a grocery there, but don't remember the chain. Maybe Setzers?
I don't know the answer but another old Jax grocery chain was Daylight Grocery.
Anyone remember the ol C and c grocery stores?
QuoteWasn't there an A&P Grocery directly opposite the Derby House, in the Fans and Stoves building?
I know there was a grocery there, but don't remember the chain.
I believe it was actually a Winn-Dixie.
there were two records stores late 90s "Club Culture", which was also in san marco for a bit and B= Music in early 2000.
Your list left out Cisco's Pizza from the 70s maybe early 80s as well. It used to be where the Firehouse Subs is now. I remember it had plywood cutout themed seating made into boats and trucks and trains that you could sit in. I used to take the 3 Ortega (bus) when I was 13-14, eat pizza, look at nudie magazines at the back of the newstand, run around the parks. that was going Downtown to me.
Bremer Brace Company moved from a Park Street location in Brooklyn into a two story house behind 5 Points on Margaret St. in 1942. It was remodeled into the current modern looking building with the big hole in the side in 1977-78, but the old house is still inside it. A least four generations of Jacksonville citizens have been treated there.
Does anyone remember the Naked Pear? They had several locations. One was on the 2nd floor of Owens. It was a really cool botique. I'm not sure how long it was there.....
I think the name is correct.
and btw that was sometime in the seventies
Another one is gone! Walked by Rainbow and Stars this morning coming from breakfast at the Derby House and it is being converted into an antique mall.
Wayne Wood, OD probably has more photographs of Jacksonville than anyone. Maybe we could get him to do a book on the "Historical Commercial Districts of Jacksonville" to go along with his other books. I'll bet he has a lot of photos of 5 Poiints.
Satu
Einsteins where the old theory shop was
Armor over in Avondale...
Here is one for us old timers: This is the "Mole Hole" in 1975:
(http://jpl.coj.net/dlc/florida/pc/PCJPG/PCJAX074-006.jpg)
Five Points had a Dipper Dan ice cream shop in the 60's. I had forgotten the Mole Hole, I loved that place.
When we moved back to Jacksonville in 1979, my wife and I tried to buy the Mole Hole to make it our home. It was too expensive for us at the time but every time we walk by it is a "what if" moment. Took us twenty years for finally get back in Riverside.
Quote from: ohhkristin on June 14, 2009, 04:26:53 PM
Satu
Einsteins where the old theory shop was
Armor over in Avondale...
Ohhkristin, are you Eraser Girl on the Jaguar board? I'm Duval 757...
I believe it was the Cummer family original home. Later donated to the museum. It is now Cecils V. hair salon.
Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on June 16, 2009, 02:07:00 PM
Quote from: ohhkristin on June 14, 2009, 04:26:53 PM
Satu
Einsteins where the old theory shop was
Armor over in Avondale...
Ohhkristin, are you Eraser Girl on the Jaguar board? I'm Duval 757...
Yep! :)
Quote from: ohhkristin on June 22, 2009, 11:29:28 AM
Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on June 16, 2009, 02:07:00 PM
Quote from: ohhkristin on June 14, 2009, 04:26:53 PM
Satu
Einsteins where the old theory shop was
Armor over in Avondale...
Ohhkristin, are you Eraser Girl on the Jaguar board? I'm Duval 757...
Yep! :)
Thank you for your dedication to keeping the message board informed and to the Champions' Club. I wish I could be a member, but I'm 600 miles away...
The Mole Hole on May Street was actually the carriage house of a mansion in the Row on Riverside Avenue that has since been demolished. I don't think it was the Cummer's, but another wealthy family. I'll bet that Wayne Wood has a picture and complete history.
You are correct, Dog Walker. If my memory serves me correctly, it was a Confederate colonel by name of Cay, I believe.
From the 60's...
Winn-Dixie
Akra's (clothing store)
Dipper Dan (ice cream store)
Abernathy opticians
Hargrave's Steak House, Riverside Gown Shop, Peterson's, Goodes Bakery, Tower's Hardware, Spiller's Gallery