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Title: San Marco (Southbank) development receives conceptual approval
Post by: Steve on May 29, 2009, 10:37:09 AM
For one San Marco development and a Downtown business, the response from the members of the Downtown Design Review Board of the Jacksonville Economic Development Commission was positive and means the two can take their next respective steps toward success.

Mike Kleinschmidt of Design Cooperative LLC requested a conceptual review and gave DDRB members an overview of a three-story development, Americana Restaurant and Office, that will include a restaurant and office space at the northeast corner of Hendricks Avenue and Louisa Street. The plans call for a 26,000-square-foot building with the first floor consisting of an 8,000-square foot eatery with the second and third floors dedicated to office space.

Parking is still an issue for the development, as the conceptual plan does not provide enough parking spaces for the operation. The site is near the Skyway and street and garage parking but concerns over the issue resulted in a recommendation from DDRB staff to the board that the developer be required to provide a parking plan in order to receive final approval for the development.


http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=52463

Title: Re: San Marco (Southbank) development receives conceptual approval
Post by: Steve on May 29, 2009, 10:37:38 AM
That location is actually Southbank, not San Marco.  It is north of I-95, which is why it is subject to DDRB.
Title: Re: San Marco (Southbank) development receives conceptual approval
Post by: Captain Zissou on May 29, 2009, 11:58:46 AM
This is great news.  I hope this moves smoothly through the rest of the approval process.  More food and low rise buildings for that area are a great addition.
Title: Re: San Marco (Southbank) development receives conceptual approval
Post by: Jason on May 29, 2009, 01:35:27 PM
So a parking issue could be a death blow for this development?  Isn't there parking beneath the highway?
Title: Re: San Marco (Southbank) development receives conceptual approval
Post by: thelakelander on May 29, 2009, 01:50:04 PM
Yes. However, I'm sure the zoning code probably requires a certain amount of off-street parking.
Title: Re: San Marco (Southbank) development receives conceptual approval
Post by: Jason on May 29, 2009, 01:54:33 PM
Yet another road block to hinder what could be a good urban design.

Man, imagine what a trolly loop down Hendricks through San Marco Square and around to Baptist could do for the corridor....
Title: Re: San Marco (Southbank) development receives conceptual approval
Post by: Deuce on May 29, 2009, 02:02:23 PM
How much parking does the zoning code require? When I lived in Montgomery Cnty, MD there was a handy online guide to all the codes in pdf format. Is there one for Duval?
Title: Re: San Marco (Southbank) development receives conceptual approval
Post by: thelakelander on May 29, 2009, 03:24:30 PM
It depends on the specific zoning classification for that site and the proposed uses.  You can find a ton of city's (including Jacksonville's) zoning codes at http://www.municode.com/Resources/OnlineLibrary.asp (http://www.municode.com/Resources/OnlineLibrary.asp).
Title: Re: San Marco (Southbank) development receives conceptual approval
Post by: Southbanker on May 29, 2009, 03:46:47 PM
Well, that will be nice (if it makes it).  I can walk there.   :)

I assume this is the restaurant:  http://www.champps.com/
Title: Re: San Marco (Southbank) development receives conceptual approval
Post by: reednavy on May 29, 2009, 04:14:29 PM
I like the design, simple, yet modern.
Title: Re: San Marco (Southbank) development receives conceptual approval
Post by: urbanlibertarian on May 29, 2009, 11:16:54 PM
So what would the harm be if the property owner or developer were allowed to decide for himself how much parking he needs for this?  Why would he design it with less than his tenants or customers would need?  Why do the DDRB members know better than he?
Title: Re: San Marco (Southbank) development receives conceptual approval
Post by: JeffreyS on May 29, 2009, 11:22:47 PM
Parking problems for his neighbors is the worry.
Title: Re: San Marco (Southbank) development receives conceptual approval
Post by: thelakelander on May 30, 2009, 07:02:32 PM
Codes specify that this site should have a minimum of 33 on-site parking spaces (obviously a suburban requirement).  The current plan have zero.
Title: Re: San Marco (Southbank) development receives conceptual approval
Post by: urbanlibertarian on May 30, 2009, 07:57:24 PM
So the owner/developer who has to use, lease or sell the property thinks 0 parking spots will work.  If he builds it that way it will either be useful and profitable or it won't.  Assuming the city won't bail him out if he fails why shouldn't he be allowed to do it his way?
JeffreyS wrote "Parking problems for his neighbors is the worry."
Why?
Title: Re: San Marco (Southbank) development receives conceptual approval
Post by: thelakelander on May 30, 2009, 08:25:37 PM
Good question.  All I can say is it is a city zoning requirement and it will be up to them to either approve or deny.  Imo, I'd love for them to waive the parking requirement.  Sooner or later, we have to let our urban core grow up.  It will never become the vibrant place everyone wants it to be if every single building has a huge parking lot attached to it.
Title: Re: San Marco (Southbank) development receives conceptual approval
Post by: heights unknown on May 30, 2009, 10:57:32 PM
Quote from: reednavy on May 29, 2009, 04:14:29 PM
I like the design, simple, yet modern.

I don't.  It's too generic and too general.  Why we can't get interesting architecture in this town anymore?  MODIS, AT&T, BOA, now those are imaginative, creative and interesting architecture for buildings/skyscrapers.  But I won't complain too much, we have to take as much as we can during these lean economic times.  Better something than nothing.

Heights Unknown