Ok there is a bike lane that starts at the second stop light near fidelity on Riverside Ave, I use it but there is no feeder bike lane anywhere, then I see them installing concrete islands near the cummer making it even harder to ride on the street? What is with this town, can we please have a safe way to navigate through riverside on a bike.
Quote from: jaxlore on March 19, 2009, 08:57:07 AM
Ok there is a bike lane that starts at the second stop light near fidelity on Riverside Ave, I use it but there is no feeder bike lane anywhere, then I see them installing concrete islands near the cummer making it even harder to ride on the street? What is with this town, can we please have a safe way to navigate through riverside on a bike.
I went through there last night, and it confused and annoyed me, seeing what they'd done.
They took a main road down to ONE LANE, and for NO REASON. It used to be two separate lanes, one for people turning right going to 5 points and one for people going straight into riverside. Now, regardless of where you're going, there's only one lane that everybody has to cram into.
The backups at that intersection were already horrendous...it takes 20 minutes to get through there during the evening rush. I can't even imagine what the delays will be like now...
I don't get this city's fascination for wasting money on 'fixing' things that weren't broken in the first place. They always manage to make it worse.
This is also a stretch of road where JTA's proposed streetcar line between Five Points and Downtown would use. If that comes online, this area may have to be completely ripped up and redone. Disconnected improvements like this is exactly why the city needs a boost in the area of urban planning. All improvements done should advance an overall transportation plan that includes cycling, road, rail and pedestrian options. Too many times, we overlook certain modes to compensate for one (in this case, a pedestrian crosswalk).
I've made good use of my mountain bike when navigating that stretch of Riverside avenue. I'm forced to go off road because of traffic & construction around there.
The city of Jacksonville loves their concrete islands.
I see the point of adding the islands to better protect pedestrians and slow down traffic, but that could have been handled with better light timing. This will definitely create a backup and is certainly short-sighted based upon the possible future improvements mentioned above.
Give it a few weeks at most for the signage and grass to be run over by some driver not paying attention.
I don't understand the point of that stupid thing, if no trees go in it, I'll run it over my damn self in my truck.
They could have just added a nice raised pedestrian crossing with lights, but I guess bicyclists wouldn't like that either. Guess JTA will have to move their streetcar to Park St.....to be continued!
QuoteOk there is a bike lane that starts at the second stop light near fidelity on Riverside Ave, I use it but there is no feeder bike lane anywhere, then I see them installing concrete islands near the cummer making it even harder to ride on the street? What is with this town, can we please have a safe way to navigate through riverside on a bike.
Coming home yesterday I was in a line of traffic head towards the new lane change / median and there happen to be to 3 road bikers also coming to the merge. Both the bikers and the vehicles were confused on what to do. The traffic became log jammed and the bikers paused too to make things even worse. It ended up in a standoff.
Quote from: fsujax on March 19, 2009, 09:51:56 AM
They could have just added a nice raised pedestrian crossing with lights, but I guess bicyclists wouldn't like that either. Guess JTA will have to move their streetcar to Park St.....to be continued!
You can't tease us like that!
honestly really what is needed is someway to navigate through riverside by bike and not have to duck and run from street parking and Riverside Ave, I thought was the obvious choice, because there is a really wide shoulder down to the acosta. But at some point that idea must have been scrapped.
Step #1 : Parking and Bike Ways should be included in a mass transit agency.
Step #2 : The Highway, roads, etc should be split off from said transit agency.
Step #3 : Using the power of Federal Transportation Grants and a true regional transit agency a Bike way network Should be laid out from the beaches to Baldwin, Airport to Orange Park, Mandarin to Arlington... etc...
Step #4 : Make CERTAIN that all of the new network lanes are removed from vehicle traffic by a curb, Jersey Barrier or a large setback.
OCKLAWAHA
In defense of the median, crossing Riverside Avenue at the Cummer museum has always been a traffic accident waiting to happen. Riverside Avenue carries too much car traffic as it is. The number of commuters using Riverside Ave. has increased dramatically in the last five years. Anyone who wants to bike safely gets off of Riverside Ave. and moves to another part of the grid.
The point of this thing is that the Cummer is an attraction that appeals to many folks including a high proportion of elderly residents and visitors to Jacksonville. School kids come for programs and events are held in the auditorium. The parking is not next to the museum but across the street. Dumb idea but it has been that way for a while. The best plan would be to move the Cummer parking lot somewhere else.
Meanwhile, it's a safety issue- no driving on medians, slow down or take another route home.
Most bicyclist didn't get the memo that Riverside ave is automobile traffic only now..
I've got knobby tires, I'll jump the concrete barries in case of emergency.
Quote from: David on March 19, 2009, 10:54:20 AM
Most bicyclist didn't get the memo that Riverside ave is automobile traffic only now..
I've got knobby tires, I'll jump the concrete barries in case of emergency.
Oh, now that is going fly over really well. I wonder how they'll enforce it.
i am down with what ock said and actually i ride on the sidewalk, i dont care how dorky i look my life is worth a bit more then looking cool flyin down the street.
Quote from: lindab on March 19, 2009, 10:41:40 AM
In defense of the median, crossing Riverside Avenue at the Cummer museum has always been a traffic accident waiting to happen. Riverside Avenue carries too much car traffic as it is. The number of commuters using Riverside Ave. has increased dramatically in the last five years. Anyone who wants to bike safely gets off of Riverside Ave. and moves to another part of the grid.
The point of this thing is that the Cummer is an attraction that appeals to many folks including a high proportion of elderly residents and visitors to Jacksonville. School kids come for programs and events are held in the auditorium. The parking is not next to the museum but across the street. Dumb idea but it has been that way for a while. The best plan would be to move the Cummer parking lot somewhere else.
Meanwhile, it's a safety issue- no driving on medians, slow down or take another route home.
Then they should have spent all the money they just wasted on this little project, to build an elevated walkway over the road to connect the Cummer with its parking lot. Problem solved.
But taking riverside avenue, one of the busiest streets in the city, down to ONE LANE, and adding in a stupid grassy median instead that serves no purpose, is a foolproof way to cause a giant bottleneck.
I understand that riverside ave might not be the best ave for a bike lane but what riverside street would be? Even the short cuts that i used to take when i drove to work are full of cars waiting at stop signs now and I can only wonder what will happen when the economy picks up and some of these condos actually fill up. yikes.
Quote from: jaxlore on March 19, 2009, 11:05:27 AM
i am down with what ock said and actually i ride on the sidewalk, i dont care how dorky i look my life is worth a bit more then looking cool flyin down the street.
Who says it's about looking cool? I've had more close calls on sidewalks than on the main roads. Cars pull out and stop right infront of you because they're waiting to turn into traffic. As much as people curse bicylist for holding them up on the main roads, they have just as much of a right to be there. As long as that road isn't I-95.
If your on a bike in that area take up the whole lane.
(5)(a) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except under any of the following situations:
3. When reasonably necessary to avoid any condition, including, but not limited to, a fixed or moving object, parked or moving vehicle, bicycle, pedestrian, animal, surface hazard, or substandard-width lane, that makes it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge. For the purposes of this subsection, a "substandard-width lane" is a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and another vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane.
Yeah, I was riding down there the other night, and I had to turn around in the Cummers's parking lot back towards the Fidelity complex because of the blockcade of construction drums. I was like what the hell? Just like Kernan & Beach, you gotta love the detours, bottenecks, and construction blockcades in this city.
sorry david if that came off derogatory, but ive gotten stares when riding on the sidewalk from fellow bikers a few times and on that particular stretch of riverside ave from post down to the bike lane it has always seemed a little safer to do the sidewalk thing. When I ride down oak or forbes there is no "safe" route i usually stay in the road.
Oh no, I was jacked up on morning coffee when writing that post. No cattiness intended.
I do alternate between the roads and sidewalks when I can, but a lot of the sidewalks are a rough ride, plus there's too much foot traffic at times. I just think people need to remember that bikes can share the road. At least here in the older neighborhoods where the traffic is a bit slower.
Here's a thought:
Why not avoid one of the busiest streets in Riverside (i.e., Riverside Ave) and use the many gridded, side streets?
If coming from Downtown, one could use Riverside and turn on to Forest, Edison or Rosselle to continue to Park. Edison seems to be the safest to Park. Edison dead ends into College.
Or continue down Rosselle to College and points south and west. College is two lanes with an extra wide, painted median.
I would not recommend Riverside Park to Park, but that is another option to traveling through the Cummer area.
Riverside Ave is not the only street in the district.
Automobiles, bikes and foot traffic? Has no one ever been to a major city where all modes exist?
Jacksonville is slowly seeing more bike and pedestrian traffic. Being autocentric has conditioned people not to look for bikes or pedestrians.
Habits take time to change. Yes, it sucks, but with a little situational awareness and flexibility, it can be done.
When I walk from Ernest to Fidelity during both the morning and evening rushes, I have to cross Park, College or Riverside. It's dangerous as a pedestrian, but I'm still alive.
It's annoying for me when I go to work, the traffic is always backed up because someone's confused about the new island. I realize the Cummer needed better access to people who park across the street but when I went, the little crosswalk stoplight there that's supposed to be activated by a button never, ever worked. If they had just fixed that, people could've crossed the streets safely.
For those of you who abhor the traffic on Riverside Ave, there is a wonderful map courtesy of RAP that identifies alternate roads in the district.
http://www.riversideavondale.org/index.php?s=file_download&id=32 (http://www.riversideavondale.org/index.php?s=file_download&id=32)
Quote from: JaxNole on March 19, 2009, 08:31:20 PM
For those of you who abhor the traffic on Riverside Ave, there is a wonderful map courtesy of RAP that identifies alternate roads in the district.
http://www.riversideavondale.org/index.php?s=file_download&id=32 (http://www.riversideavondale.org/index.php?s=file_download&id=32)
I've lived here a decade, I hope I know the roads well enough by now LOL...
Problem is, there are only two roads you can use to get from Downtown into Riverside. Park is one and Riverside Ave. is the other. That street map is nice, but none of the others connect because they're dead-ended by I-95. Riverside and Park are the only ones where they built overpasses so that the streets connect.
Wait till you see what they're doing to the S-curve in the name of "Traffic Calming Measures." The curb now cuts in at least another 5 feet at the narrowest section; sure to calm traffic, but also sure to kill some cyclists . . .
Depending on where you live in Riverside (I live on Ernest), there's another route that seems out of the way, but avoids the congestion on Post, College, Park, King and Riverside.
1. Take Stockton north
2. Head east (right) on either Irene or Edison. If you take Irene, take a right on Edison.
3. Head east (right) on Forest.
4. From Forest, head north on Park or Riverside.
It's not scenic, but I like watching the construction progress of The Big I and I'm almost constantly moving instead of idling in stop-and-go traffic.
Is it legal for bikes to use the Riverwalk to get back and forth between Downtown and Riverside?
If it isn't a lot of folks are breaking the law. Every time I'm on the Riverwalk, there's always several cyclists.
Quote from: urbanlibertarian on March 19, 2009, 10:45:45 PM
Is it legal for bikes to use the Riverwalk to get back and forth between Downtown and Riverside?
I'm not sure about the northbank riverwalk, but I know the southbank was def illegal in the early part of the decade.
About 7-8ish years ago a security guard yelled at me to get off my bike on the riverwalk, saying it was illegal. I snapped back saying "you wonder why our downtown is so dead? because of stupid laws like that!" (i was 22ish) he said "hey man, i'm just doing my job" etc etc. Realizing he did have a pretty crappy job, I backed off and exited the riverwalk.
Now here it is, 2009. I'm in my 30's and ride my bike on the riverwalk a few times a week. No one says anything now! It feels like a small sign of progress, but the southbank riverwalk is in bad shape. It's pretty brutal riding a bike on there.
The northbank riverwalk however, is a pretty sweet ride. It's a great way to get from downtown to riverside, plus it's scenic too.
I think a good compromise for cyclist on a pedestrian oriented development such as the riverwalk is to watch your speed. Don't graze past people at 20mph and get us all banned.
Its legal to ride bikes on the Northbank Riverwalk.
Would it be helpful to pedestrians and bikers if an informal bike lane was designated on the riverwalk? Many walkers and joggers are wearing headphones and do not hear bikes or verbal warning from bikes approaching from behind. Perhaps signs or icons painted on the path designating a prefered lane to segregate bikers and walkers.
Good Idea BridgeTroll, I'm pretty courteous on the Riverwalk but sometimes I'm screaming at people "On your left!" so they can hear me over their headphones. Or when there is a group 5 people wide it's hard to pass them.
i am the same way I try and let people know I am on there right or left, but they don't hear, I am going to buy a bike bell, just because a friend of mine nearly got thrown of the main street bridge when a jogger decided to move at the last minute. I guess my biggest irk is that there should be a designated bike lane somewhere that cuts through Riverside to Downtown. The Stockton to Edison would work, but it sounds like it is a bit out of the way for some folks. And of course that still leaves everyone perplexed as to why there is a bike lane on Riverside avenue if there is nothing to feed it. I usually go over the acosta to san marco in the morning and then in the evening I go over the main street bridge and down the riverwalk to the overpass to riverside ave.
Quote from: David on March 20, 2009, 02:14:21 AM
The northbank riverwalk however, is a pretty sweet ride. It's a great way to get from downtown to riverside, plus it's scenic too.
I think a good compromise for cyclist on a pedestrian oriented development such as the riverwalk is to watch your speed. Don't graze past people at 20mph and get us all banned.
It's my favorite part of my routine ride. And I think you're right on the speed. However, this past weekend I found myself trucking it to get away from a few meth heads that were out walking. I was going slowly and gave them the "on your right!" and they freaked out and almost jumped in the river, then started chasing me. *whew* mountain bike for the win.
Riverside Ave does need to be fixed. That little median they put up in front of the Cummer is going to make traffic for RAM a nightmare. I'm torn between supporting the RAM and going up, and avoiding the area at all costs because it's going to be insane.
Has anyone noticed the camera's newly installed on the traffic lights at the intersection's of Riverside Ave. & Post / Riverside Ave & Riverside Park?
Are these for capturing driver's running red light's?
Quote from: Shwaz on April 02, 2009, 03:23:53 PM
Has anyone noticed the camera's newly installed on the traffic lights at the intersection's of Riverside Ave. & Post / Riverside Ave & Riverside Park?
Are these for capturing driver's running red light's?
If JAX is really installing redlight cams, then I'm going to buy one of those license plate covers that is clear plastic until you push a button, and then it turns opaque so you can't read the numbers. Hehehehe.
This city has so many completely unnecessary red lights, it's ridiculous. Especially in Riverside. And most of them don't even work on the sensors in the street, they are just timed. So even if it's 2am and there's not another car around for 2 miles, you still have to sit there for 5 minutes waiting for green.
QuoteThis city has so many completely unnecessary red lights, it's ridiculous. Especially in Riverside. And most of them don't even work on the sensors in the street, they are just timed. So even if it's 2am and there's not another car around for 2 miles, you still have to sit there for 5 minutes waiting for green.
Totally agree. The light at Riverside Ave & the YMCA takes over 5 minutes some mornings... I normally just head out right and make a u-turn to head back south on Riverside Ave.
That is just one example I'm sure there are many more.
Quote from: Shwaz on April 02, 2009, 04:05:46 PM
QuoteThis city has so many completely unnecessary red lights, it's ridiculous. Especially in Riverside. And most of them don't even work on the sensors in the street, they are just timed. So even if it's 2am and there's not another car around for 2 miles, you still have to sit there for 5 minutes waiting for green.
Totally agree. The light at Riverside Ave & the YMCA takes over 5 minutes some mornings... I normally just head out right and make a u-turn to head back south on Riverside Ave.
That is just one example I'm sure there are many more.
I TOTALLY agree.
Driving from my house down Riverside Ave. to the entrance of downtown there are...count 'em...FOURTEEN red lights, with each one taking between at least 2-3 minutes, and some MUCH longer, even though there are never any cars.
And out of the 14, only 4 are actually necessary. IMO, the only necessary ones are RS/King, RS/St. Vincents, RS/Margaret, and RS and Fidelity's main entrance. I would normally have included the RS/5pts light, but they just put a huge solid concrete median there, and now you can only go right onto RS from 5pts anyway, and so a stop sign would do just fine. Why is that light even still there? WTF? It serves no purpose now.
The rest of the 14 lights are completely useless wastes of time. I can count on one hand the number of times I've been stopped at any of them and have actually seen another car using the light to cross traffic. They should all be flashing yellows or stop signs to accomodate the few cars that use those tiny side streets. And why do the 20-30 people using the YMCA at any given time warrant a timed red-light that holds up traffic on RS Ave? WTF? That's another one that clearly should be a stop sign or a flashing yellow.
And even worse, they closed the RS Ave. fire station down what? A year and a half ago? But the light in front of it is still there and active. Double WTF!!!!! on that one. If I didn't run redlights (and in 9 years of doing this, I've had 0 accidents, and 0 near-misses, BTW) it would take me 2 or 3 times as long to get anywhere in this neighborhood.
Keep in mind however that the lights are also there to also slow drivers down, so Riverside Avenue doesn't turn into a freeway.
BTW, the light at Riverside and Forest is used. Though Fire Station 5 is closed, the DuPont building is now opened, so people do use that.
My guess is that you don't drive this in the AM/PM rush hour. I agree some of them are not heavily used, but getting out of those buildings at rush hour would be damn near impossible. One that I'm thinking of is Riverside and Edison (this is the exit from EverBank's garage).
Quote from: Steve on April 02, 2009, 04:26:55 PM
Keep in mind however that the lights are also there to also slow drivers down, so Riverside Avenue doesn't turn into a freeway.
BTW, the light at Riverside and Forest is used. Though Fire Station 5 is closed, the DuPont building is now opened, so people do use that.
My guess is that you don't drive this in the AM/PM rush hour. I agree some of them are not heavily used, but getting out of those buildings at rush hour would be damn near impossible. One that I'm thinking of is Riverside and Edison (this is the exit from EverBank's garage).
Yeah, I forgot about that new building, but even so the DuPont testamentary trust doesn't have that many corporate employees, probably <100. That's another situation besides the YMCA where they should just get a flashing light or a stop sign.
While I'll admit I don't drive that stretch during rush hour every day, I have driven through there occasionally around 5:00-5:30pm, and the lights are only slightly less than completely useless then.
The main parking garages for those buildings are across the street, so most of the employees don't need a light to get their car out. The only thing the lights are really accomplishing is letting a flood of people use the crosswalk to get to the parking garages on the other side. The amount of actual cars entering/exiting the buildings at those light cycles is very small (maybe 10 at a time, usually far less).
So why not give the cars a stop sign and a cement median, and they can go make a U-turn at the next (actually useful) legal light? And as for the crosswalks, a skybridge CLEARLY should have been required before Fidelity was allowed to build those garages.
I can think of at least 8 of these lights that if you removed them entirely, might inconvenience what? A hundred cars a day? Meanwhile, the 100k cars a day using Riverside all waste 2-3 minutes X however many lights you catch. And a disproportionate number of them sit red, even when there is no cross traffic. I guess that's the speed-control function you mentioned. But even then, it's a 4-lane divided major road, is speed control that necessary beyond normal enforcement (tickets/radar and such)?
Shwaz, I noticed those cameras the other day too. I think 1 of the 4 at Riverside and Post aims towards the parking area between post and the water. I'm going to look again on my ride home tonight.
I'm not wild about all the lights heading to and from work but I agree that they're needed to train the flow of traffic. Even if the side access wasn't an issue, a six block long chunk of cars piling down Riverside Ave would be insane.
I don't know for sure but I imagine they'll be adding a turn signal to the light at Riverside and Margaret before long. Going eastbound and trying to turn there can be insane during rush hour.
Riverside Avenue is a state road (there are little signs with "211" along there), so the cameras mentioned along Riverside Ave. can't be red-light cameras - the State doesn't allow them on their roads.
As said before, the light at the closed fire station is really for Forest Street. Right now it has less traffic than Riverside, but when that big interchange is finished, and there are exits from I-10 and I-95 to Forest Street, I bet traffic will pick up. Notice that Forest is 6 lanes wide, so someone is expecting a lot of traffic on it.
Riverside is one of the nicer places to ride in town, but i feel safer on larger roads like Hendricks/San Jose. It's obvious that Jacksonville caters to "spandex riders" and their $1000 bikes. The city will never cater/support bike commuters. Just the other day i blew a tube on R'side Ave....this would never happen at the beach or in San Marco/mandarin. :-\
^We're working on that. A transit friendly city has to be able to support and cater to bike commuters as well.
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on April 02, 2009, 04:18:59 PM
Quote from: Shwaz on April 02, 2009, 04:05:46 PM
QuoteThis city has so many completely unnecessary red lights, it's ridiculous. Especially in Riverside. And most of them don't even work on the sensors in the street, they are just timed. So even if it's 2am and there's not another car around for 2 miles, you still have to sit there for 5 minutes waiting for green.
Totally agree. The light at Riverside Ave & the YMCA takes over 5 minutes some mornings... I normally just head out right and make a u-turn to head back south on Riverside Ave.
That is just one example I'm sure there are many more.
I TOTALLY agree.
Driving from my house down Riverside Ave. to the entrance of downtown there are...count 'em...FOURTEEN red lights, with each one taking between at least 2-3 minutes, and some MUCH longer, even though there are never any cars.
And out of the 14, only 4 are actually necessary. IMO, the only necessary ones are RS/King, RS/St. Vincents, RS/Margaret, and RS and Fidelity's main entrance. I would normally have included the RS/5pts light, but they just put a huge solid concrete median there, and now you can only go right onto RS from 5pts anyway, and so a stop sign would do just fine. Why is that light even still there? WTF? It serves no purpose now.
The rest of the 14 lights are completely useless wastes of time. I can count on one hand the number of times I've been stopped at any of them and have actually seen another car using the light to cross traffic. They should all be flashing yellows or stop signs to accomodate the few cars that use those tiny side streets. And why do the 20-30 people using the YMCA at any given time warrant a timed red-light that holds up traffic on RS Ave? WTF? That's another one that clearly should be a stop sign or a flashing yellow.
And even worse, they closed the RS Ave. fire station down what? A year and a half ago? But the light in front of it is still there and active. Double WTF!!!!! on that one. If I didn't run redlights (and in 9 years of doing this, I've had 0 accidents, and 0 near-misses, BTW) it would take me 2 or 3 times as long to get anywhere in this neighborhood.
Sorry to resuscitate this ancient thread, but apparently someone at COJ got the memo about this. The last few times I've used Riverside Avenue, all the lights are synched up so that once you catch one green you catch the rest green. Which is how it should be. Traffic flows much smoother now, even despite the bottleneck they created by removing an entire lane in front of the Cummer.
Props to someone at COJ for having the sense to fix the lights.
move the trolley line to Park St.!?
fsujax, jason.. . Yes but that would make too much sense!
Park St heading SW out of downtown and Avondale eventually turns into Blanding Blvd @ FSCJKent campus, through LakeShore, CedarForest, Cedar Hills, HydePark, Confederate Point, on its way to Wesconnett, 103rd/Timuquana, OP...
The Trolley lines could also smartly be routed through the inner areas most blighted by frontage losses and right-of-way expansions which have somewhat permanently, detrimentally removed walkability as an element of design from some streetscapes in neighborhoods lining LakeShore Blvd.south of Murray Hill.
Why not encourage the Herschel St line extension SW through to where the pavement becomes LakeShore Boulevard, continuing around the old inner perimeter loop which LakeShore Blvd creates with its connection to Normandy and Lenox, turn right (east) and head back into town via Murray Hill?
Anyone second that motion?
Anyone?
I will say that Tuesday afternoon (at freaking rush hour!) is ridiculous. I applaud the Cummer for doing what they do on Tuesday, but the timing sucks and traffic backs up forever. I really wish they would have figured some other way to do that than a crossing signal and light.
Quote from: RiversideLoki on September 13, 2010, 06:52:43 PM
I will say that Tuesday afternoon (at freaking rush hour!) is ridiculous. I applaud the Cummer for doing what they do on Tuesday, but the timing sucks and traffic backs up forever. I really wish they would have figured some other way to do that than a crossing signal and light.
Yeah the whole problem started when they removed the dedicated turn lane that separated the traffic headed to 5 Points and the North parts of Riverside from the traffic continuing west on Riverside Avenue. Ever since then the backups are awful. They should have put in an elevated walkway for the Cummer and left the lanes alone. Wonder what the logic was behind taking such a busy street and replacing a whole lane with a grassy median?
to please the octogenarian benefactors.
build a garage already!
Well from I heard, SMG has set up shop in Riverside..........should not be too long before some of those houses will be bulldozed and parking should improve from the point on! Am I wrong?
Ride the bus with your bike in front, much safer. Jacksonville is terrible about bike lanes. People would run you over sooner than share the road, its a very selfish car/vehicle town.
It's all about slowing everyone down to look at the Cummer and to announce that the RAM is here. I think the area will probably change quit a bit as the use of the bridge evolves.
when traveling INTO Riverside from Downtown/Brooklyn, IF Riverside Avenue is too congested, zip over to Park via RIGHT turn onto Forest St.
VOILA!
the (seemingly prematurely?) narrowed lane of R'side Ave is suddenly not a problem.
OR
boogey on over to Stockton via LEFT turn OFF of Forest at Animal Control.
easybreezeylemonsqueezy.
Seriously too many complainers.