Has been released by the team this morning. This comes as no surprise after being arrested for violating his probation.
Well they will have to address reciever now.
Matt Jones is and always has been a major disappointment. Another first round draft pick down the drain.
Another reason to trade out of the first round if you can find someone who wants to move up. Trade down, save money, and add picks. The jags have too many holes to stay in the first round.
QuoteAnother reason to trade out of the first round if you can find someone who wants to move up. Trade down, save money, and add picks. The jags have too many holes to stay in the first round.
Totally agree. I've read quite a few mock drafts that have us picking Mark Sanchez at no.8 which I don't see the team doing. A QB pick at no.8 would call for a $20 million contract (guaranteed) and we just locked up Garrard on expensive contract. There are a few QB hungry teams out there that might give an arm & leg for our pick / Sanchez.
Exactly. Trading down was what they SHOULD have done last year too, instead of trading away their entire draft for two defensive linemen who didn't even pan out.
Imagine if the Jags had kept their later round picks, regardless of whether they picked an O-lineman, Wideout, or Safety. Virtually any 3rd or 4th round pick would have been superior to the garbage they picked up at those positions in free agency. Heck, even if the draft picks had washed out and never played a game, it would have still been a better situation because it would have been cheaper for the team!!
QuoteExactly. Trading down was what they SHOULD have done last year, instead of trading away their entire draft for two defensive linemen who didn't even pan out.
Imagine if the Jags had kept their later round picks, regardless of whether they picked an O-lineman, Wideout, or Safety. Virtually any 3rd or 4th round pick would have been superior to the garbage they picked up at those positions in free agency. Heck, even if the draft picks had washed out, it would have still been a better situation because it would have been cheaper for the team!!
First of all the Jags original pick was 26th overall which doesn't command a whole lot of trade interest or value.
Second, the verdict is still out on Harvey.
Third the Jags didn't expect the top 10 draft picks price tag to go up 40% over prior year but the Jets sh*t the bed on that and drove the market value through the roof.
Lastly the Jags traded extra picks they had from the Marcus Stroud deal and while agree it was an expensive move (2 - 3rd round picks 1 - 4th round pick) we don't know if it wasn't worth it. A lot of teams were aggressively going after pass rushers after the Giants Superbowl win and it was a position the Jags desperately needed to fill.
This year woudl actually be a good year to trade down. The draft is very string in the top 5-6, then weak in my opinion until about 15. After coming off of 5-11, and being short picks, this might be the year to do it.
Well, we already know it wasn't worth it. The Jags collapsed last year because their two relevant draft picks, their O-line, and some of their high priced free agents were all falling apart. Yes, it's coincidence, and yes, it's hindsight. But that's what happened. The lack of later round draft picks meant there were fewer quality players to be thrown into the fire as replacements
In hindsight, I really think last years drafting and free agency decisions were about as bad as they could have possibly been. Even if the Jags get better this year, it will be in spite of last year, not because of it.
Even if Harvey/Groves turn into the next Henderson/Stroud, I don't think there's any possible way that last year's strategy can be considered anything but a failure. The Jags have already cut ties with two of the overpriced free agents that were supposed to take them over the top, and now they are back to re-building through the draft (which they could have done last year).
Harvey / Groves and the 3 picks we lost are not the reason for the 5-11 record. Sure there are some good players in the later rounds but you're talking like we would've drafted a bunch of Tom Brady's automatically.
A lot of later round picks don't even make the practice squad let alone start at their position immediately.
QuoteEven if Harvey/Groves turn into the next Henderson/Stroud, I don't think there's any possible way that last year's strategy can be considered anything but a failure.
So if the players you draft don't get your team to the Superbowl that year they're considered a bust? :-\
The team cut older players and is trying to get younger and faster at every position but players take time to develop. Every editorial on Jaguars.com is about building for the future not just the next season.
It takes longer than one year to see if a player is a bust or not, especially one who started contributing more with every game in their first season.
Schwaz is exactly right. The jury MUST still be out on Groves and Harvey. The real problem was everyone thought the window for this team was wide open. Some have said it was already shut. I maintain the point of view that it only slammed shut when we lost 3 offensive linemen before the first snap of the season. Regardless, we expected those two guys to be the final pieces to a Super Bowl. We had our little jigsaw puzzle of the Lombardi Trophy all put together and hey.. we only need a couple more pieces.. here they are! Instead, they were two new pieces to a team that had already fallen apart. Our jigsaw puzzle got dominated by the family dog and was back in 1000 pieces on the kitchen floor... They only had one season and Harvey (thanks indeed to the Jets.. ugh) didn't get a whole camp. They may turn out to be great players and we will cherish having made those moves in 2 or 3 years when we figure out how to put that puzzle back together.
p.s. If I was pretty certain that Sanchez was going to be a top 5 NFL QB, Draft him. Why let someone else have him? Besides.. you let him observe for a few years, Garrard is 34, 35.. and we see where we are.
QuoteShwaz is exactly right. The jury MUST still be out on Groves and Harvey.
Also, both guys will put on a bunch of weight, learn more technique and if we switch up to 3-4 scheme (on & off) groves maybe a great OLB / DE.
Quotep.s. If I was pretty certain that Sanchez was going to be a top 5 NFL QB, Draft him. Why let someone else have him? Besides.. you let him observe for a few years, Garrard is 34, 35.. and we see where we are.
I agree with this logic and being in accordance with the "best available player philosophy" but I don't like the idea of paying a guy $20 million or more to ride the pine for a few years. I think Garrard has a lot left in the tank and there will be plenty of QB draft candidates down the road. On the flip side I would hate to see the Jags pass up another Rothlesberger like a few years ago.
Let's get Northcutt on the field more! Good clean player, and a hard worker. I think if he was in more, he would have easily beat crack jone's records.
Is M. Jones an all-world pro bowl receiver? No.
Is M. Jones a screw up off the field, and and many ways a disappointment the the Jags franchise? Yes.
Did #18 play more consistent than any Jags receiver last year? Yes.
If M. Jones gets cut, will the Jags have any consistent receiver? IMO no.
Sorry Northcutt drops WAY too many balls and he has alligator arms.
Sports Radio Myth: a more productive WR is something different than the best WR on the field on a certain team. As far as I'm concerned, the most productive receiver on the team is also the better one.
Well you cant play if your constantly suspended either. How many balls will you catch then.
Exactly. Besides, the team has to set some standards regarding conduct. If Matt were working at any other job in America and did time for cocaine posesion he would have likely been fired the first go round. The Jags gave him a second chance. The NFL is a buisness, first and foremost.
QuoteSorry Northcutt drops WAY too many balls and he has alligator arms.
Sports Radio Myth: a more productive WR is something different than the best WR on the field on a certain team. As far as I'm concerned, the most productive receiver on the team is also the better one.
Dennis Northcutt really stepped up late in the season. He was the first and only receiver to have a catch of 40 yards+ (in the air) and his catching was solid. His stats were low becuase he didn't even start games for the first half of the season. He finished with 3 games over 100 yards.
Matt Jones was never really consistent. I remember games where defenders just stripped the ball right of of his lazy lackadaisical hands.
Well, Jones is gone, as you all know, and right now I'm thinking who is Garrard going to throw to this upcoming season? Will Northcutt, Walker etc. step it up a lil'? Hopefully. Maybe it would be a good time to try to grab T. Holt, or maybe even to Marvin Harrison solidify things at receiver (if the price is right of course).
Torry Holt or Marvin Harrison? eek...might as well see if Jimmy Smith will come back.
Do my Dolphins a favor and take Ernest Wilford back.
ernest was always a posession receiver not your long ball deep threat type.... hmmmm... michael crabtree anyone?
I don't think the team will pursue a WR until after the draft. Holt wants some big bucks and Harrison could be facing a suspension at the beginning of the season for that gun charge mess in PA.
Walker is back to 100% and may finally show his abilities upcoming. Northcutt finished solid and showed some big play ability. The season doesn't start until Sept. - there's plenty of time.
I think it will be Walker, Northcutt and a few rookies. They might look at some veterans who are hanging around after the draft.
The Jags have not had a player who can push the Defense down the field. Crabtree can do that and provide a versaile threat, could also return kicks.
I think the experiments are concluded for this GM, time to draft people to play their position.
Crabtree will not be avialable at the 8th pick... the Bengals are almost sure to take him early.
QuoteI think the experiments are concluded for this GM, time to draft people to play their position.
This is a brand new GM for the Jags conducting his first draft. Shack Harris was let go and he previously shared control with Jack DelRio. Gene Smith with be driving all by himself and has total control.
Quote from: Shwaz on March 18, 2009, 08:18:23 PM
Crabtree will not be avialable at the 8th pick... the Bengals are almost sure to take him early.
QuoteI think the experiments are concluded for this GM, time to draft people to play their position.
This is a brand new GM for the Jags conducting his first draft. Shack Harris was let go and he previously shared control with Jack DelRio. Gene Smith with be driving all by himself and has total control.
Plus I believe crabtree is having foot surgery this spring
I think the Jags should draft large men in the first and second rounds. Pick up on OL in round 1, maybe the kid from Baylor. Pick up a DT in round 2. This year's draft is deep at WR, so we should be able to get some value in the later rounds.
There is no way we should spend our first round pick on a WR. That hasn't historically worked out for us. See Soward, Jones, Williams, ect. We have too many needs to fill.
We also need help on defense, particularly in the secondary. With Florence gone, we are going to need a corner. We also need to replace Mike Peterson.
We have a ton of needs, and hopefully we can do some work in free agency as well. Free agency hasn't been kind to us as of late (see Douglas, Porter, Williamson) so I hope we don't throw a ton of money at any one player.
The Jags just signed an OL from Free Agency, they have not had a legitimate receiver since Jimmy Smith retired. Ever since he retired, they stink with the passing game. If the D is on the field all game because the O cannot move the ball and teams stack the line with 8 guys to stop Mo, must we wait for 2010's draft before we draft a receiver to push the ball down the field?
Peterson is filled in nicely with Daryl Smith. We can pickup a DB in the later rounds to compete as well in the secondary.
Again, we need a quality WR to push the ball down the field. Until we get one, we will never win the division.