What do people think of strippers and strip clubs?
Two seperate issues.
For me the question has always been....why pay to be played with if you can go home and get the real thing for free? Other than that, they don't bother me.
Drugs, prostitution, and criminal money laundering. Covers both issues.
I say, go if you want, dont go if you dont want to. Live and let live, the business is there legally until proven otherwise.
Decline in local property values, poor influence and wrong message on sexual relationships for impressionable teens, wrong message for adult males on the purpose of half the human race, dead-end career for participants, overall weakening of family bonds and promotes unstable social mores ... it is a long list actually.
Live and let live. I don't see how strippers or strip clubs hurt anyone. Its just men walking away with smiles on their faces and girls walking away with money in their pockets (or underwear)., almost like a real relationship:)
That said, I wouldn't want a strip club next to my home. Do you have any statistics regarding crime activity and strip clubs? That may dictate whether they are actually a risk to overall public safety.
Dated a couple of strippers in my life, lot of fun, but you have to put up with a lot chaos in your life. Makes you appreciate sane women 8). I can certainly understand why neighborhoods don't want them around there is certainly a seedy underside, which I quite enjoyed. But like wise its human nature. Control where they are located, reasonable restrictions, not the ones that cities seem to love to impose and spend a small fortune on lawsutes that they end up losing. Police them as required.
Why do you ask?
What is your opinion?
I'm in the same boat Civil. Strippers, are a breed of their own. Fun but only temporary.
I don't have any problem with the industry or those that patronize their buisnesses. My uncle owns a few clubs and makes a pretty good living, and unless he told you, you wouldn't even know what he was into. Like Civil said, keep them regulated and as long as they maintain legality, leave them be. Besides, they're great fun for a guys night out. ;)
Trash
Strippers simply work in the strip club. A strip club in a residential area is not good for the families and residents. The clubs should be relegated to adult entertainment districts. These zones can include standard night clubs and taverns... late night dance clubs. Adult movie/"marital aid" type stores. These establishments are not for everyone but most "happening" cities have them. These establishments should have a place at the table in a city near a million residents.
$.02 :)
QuoteThe clubs should be relegated to adult entertainment districts.
Redlight district?
My wife enjoys going to the strip club every so often. Of course its with me! ;)
It should NOT be a "red light district". It should however be a district where establishments such as these are zoned and welcome.
What's the difference?
A red-light district is an area where prostitution is allowed.
It's a great indicator of when one has had enough REBEL YELL.
"She has WHAT? Oh my God, I see THREE of them!"
OCKLAWAHA
Quote from: stephendare on February 03, 2009, 01:52:30 PM
I was surprised by the number of women in the audience when I went to the Gold Club for my one and only stripper bar experience as a patron.
Probably true of the Gold Club Stephen, it has a relatively good reputation, clean and safe. Hit some of the harder clubs out on the Westside and off atlantic, rarely see women or couples. So I've heard guys say ::)
Three signs you spend too much time in strip clubs
1. You go into a club you haven't been in for a month and half the girls have to give you hugs
2. You haven't been to a club in a while and one of the dancers stops by your house to make sure your okay
and
3. you meet an acquaintence you haven't seen in a few years, mention you got married, and he asks what club does she work at!!
Its funny because they are true! :D
The Gold Club? Good reputation? Who are you guys? Do some of that research that you think you are so good at.
Quote from: thelakelander on February 03, 2009, 04:13:32 PM
A red-light district is an area where prostitution is allowed.
Gotcha. So Jacksonville really had a true red-light district way back when? Houston Street?
BTW... NO ONE is advocating a red light district. This would be an adult entertainment district. An area where nightclubs, stripclubs, etc can exist and be patronized without intruding on Churches, schools, and families...
Not sure I'm a big fan of adult entertaiment districts. On the matter of Sex, Drugs and rock n roll, I'm a libertarian. But Notnow does have a point, some of the clubs are very rough. Drug transactions, money laundering does occur, not that I really care about that. My concern is a adult entertainment district is sort of like making an atomic bomb, the clubs and stores seem to feed off each other until they explode, seems as though they encourage behaviors that other wise wouldn't happen. Mardi gras in NO is an example of how people in a large group will act out in ways that they normally wouldn't. I prefer to have the locations sepaerated and spread out, obviously not in neighborhoods and in residential areas.
Would Tampa's Ybor City be considered an adult entertainment district?
I would consider Ybor a great example of a distict such as this.
Ybor City is a nightlife are of mostly just bars & clubs. Tampa has strip clubs all over the city.
I disagree with putting all adult entertainment in one area... a bunch of "randy" drunk guys unleashed on the roads from 11p-2a is a bad idea.
QuoteAn area where nightclubs, stripclubs, etc can exist and be patronized without intruding on Churches, schools, and families...
The Doll house and Assumption have coexisted well for years. America needs to lighten up.
If Ybor is an example, I'm all for it. One of the negatives to Jacksonville attracting young people is the lack of a compact walkable nightlife district. You can't play with the big boys if you refuse to offer things that enhance the area's overall quality of life for people of all ages.
QuoteOne of the negatives to Jacksonville attracting young people is the lack of a compact walkable nightlife district.
There are walkable pockets of nightlife in Jax... just not in every neighborhood. The beach has just as many bars / night clubs as Ybor and is more accessable and better quality IMO
Ybor is way out on the outskirts of Tampa and is now completely run down. At 2am cops come out in force in almost riot gear looking to bust heads... last time I was there a horse (cop) bit my shoulder.
QuoteThere are walkable pockets of nightlife in Jax... just not in every neighborhood. The beach has just as many bars / night clubs as Ybor and is more accessable and better quality IMO
Ybor is several times larger than what the beaches (Jax Beach or AB Town Center) bring to the table, unless you're counting everything from Atlantic Beach to Ponte Vedra (which then takes walkability out of the equation). Its the second largest walkable nightlife district in the state outside of South Beach. Its also a mile from DT Tampa and connected by streetcar. Because of an effort to make it more family friendly, its not as live as it was during the 90s, but its still superior to any nightlife pocket Jax brings to the table. It would be an asset for Jacksonville to have something similar in its urban core.
QuoteBecause of an effort to make it more family friendly, its not as live as it was during the 90s
When was the last time you visited Ybor? It's completely surrounded by ghetto and overun with thugs. I didn't feel safe with my friends and wouldn't advise bringing the kids.
They really don't have that much night life either unless you're including resaurants.?
Here's the bar listing for 7th Ave;
Crowbar
Bar 1812 N. 17th St.
The Boneyard
Bar 1823 E. Seventh Ave.
Full Moon Saloon
Bar 1613 E. Seventh Ave.
The Dirty Shame
Bar 20th St. and Seventh Ave.
Rare Olive
Bar 1601 E. Seventh Ave.
Blue Shark
Bar 1502 E. Seventh Ave.
Coyote Ugly Saloon Tampa
1722 E. Seventh Ave.
The last time was December 2008. A nightlife district would include not only bars, but restaurants (some have bars in them), nightclubs, entertainment oriented retail and cultural establishments as well. In addition to 7th Street, Ybor also has venues on side streets like 8th Avenue (ex. Gameworks, Muvico 20 cinemas, etc.).
Nevertheless, there is a lot more going on there than indicated on the list above. Try this link:
http://www.ybortimes.com/yborspots.cfm
Thanks Lake... I have not been there in quite a few years either. My days of barhopping down the strip are few and far between. But the list you provided has infinite more possibilities for adult entertainment than say... Bay St.
Shwaz there may small pockets spread all over Jax but that is my point. When visitors come into town and ask... "Wheres the party district" or "where are all the clubs" there really is not a specific area to point to. Then of course they need non existant transportation to get to the beach or San Marco or where ever.
Finally...
Quotewouldn't advise bringing the kids.
Of course not... It is an ADULT entertainment district. Kids are not welcome nor catered to. It is where adults go to do adult things away from the kids... you know... have some fun... let your hair down... howl at the moon... etc...
QuoteThe last time was December 2008
... and you found a more family atmosphere and the nightlife not over run with thugs?
QuoteWhen visitors come into town and ask... "Wheres the party district"
I tell them the beach - or take them to the beach and have had nothing but great feedback from a nightlife aspect.
Is it as concentrated of an area as Ybor? No. Most places have night life spread out. Tampa does too which leads back to the original topic of strip clubs. In Tampa they are not in ybor but in clusters spread all over the city.
It would be great to see Bay St evolve in to a strip of bars, restaurants & clubs stretching to all the way to the Stadium or start an area like Ybor in say Brooklyn.
How about the A Phillip Randolph area? Why must it have a "family atmosphere" Shwaz?? Why would you send them all the way to the beaches?? There are a million of those places here in Metro Jacksonville. When Steelers fans come to town they do not ask for the family atmosphere district... They are looking for the district completely barren of families... distinctly lacking families... they want to have fun and not have to worry they might offend mother and child.
When we've had visitors in the past, we have typically ended up in Five Points, San Marco, Springfield or St. Augustine.
Quote... and you found a more family atmosphere and the nightlife not over run with thugs?
Although, I've taken my kids to Ybor at night several times for ice cream, streetcar rides, movies or dinner, I wasn't looking for a family atmosphere. For that I'd probably head over to Hyde Park (Tampa), a suburban mall or Kids Kampus. However, when we take the kids out, we're back home way before the typical club hanging out time regardless of where we're at.
QuoteIt would be great to see Bay St evolve in to a strip of bars, restaurants & clubs stretching to all the way to the Stadium or start an area like Ybor in say Brooklyn.
My concern is that Bay does not have the building fabric. Its future will be dependent on what the city does with courthouse and city hall annex blocks. These things normally evolve on their own in the areas where the right conditions (cheap available ready to move in buildings, easy permitting, easy access, etc.) are in place. It will be interesting to see how every thing will play out locally.
BT the family atmosphere was brought up by Lake not me... his quote
QuoteBecause of an effort to make it more family friendly, it’s not as live as it was during the 90s
I wasn't trying to say it was or needed to be family friendly. In fact it IS quite the contrary.
QuoteWhy would you send them all the way to the beaches??
If your saying the bustling downtown scene outweighs the draw of our beaches… we're going to have to agree to disagree.
Most people I know come down to get away from the cold and enjoy the beaches during the day. It has much more appeal than the 'metro' area that turns into a ghost town every Friday at 5p.
The beach has just about everything you need when the sun goes down too â€" Great restaurants - Freebird for live music (national bands) - Ocean Club for dancing and a plethora of WALKABLE bars that range in every age group. I have a friend in Chicago that visits Orlando every year and he drives up just to eat a Beachside Seafood in Jax beach and spend a day on the beach. I took him and others from Chi to downtown / 5 points and it was obviously a disappointment.
Yes, I think the City of Tampa hurt Ybor into trying to make it more "family friendly". We should not make the same mistake by attempting to force potential nightlife districts to be "family friendly". Jacksonville needs a place for adults as well.
QuoteBeachside Seafood in Jax beach
I love the crabcake sandwiches at this place.
QuoteIf your saying the bustling downtown scene outweighs the draw of our beaches
You are absolutely correct... but that is the point of creating an adult district in town. I have also escorted family and friends out to the beach but many folks are kind of stuck downtown for conventions, business, sporting events. It would be great to tell them... "grab a cab and tell him ya want to go to the "Phillips district" and 10 minutes later they are picking between 10 or 15 places to go for a few hours...
I was really just responding to;
QuoteWhy would you send them all the way to the beaches?? There are a million of those places here in Metro Jacksonville.
The hypothetical "Philips District" would be worth people steering away from the beach to downtown but unfortunately we're not there yet.
Quote from: Shwaz on February 04, 2009, 01:29:07 PM
I have a friend in Chicago that visits Orlando every year and he drives up just to eat a Beachside Seafood in Jax beach and spend a day on the beach. I took him and others from Chi to downtown / 5 points and it was obviously a disappointment.
Speaking from the Loop, Jacksonville doesn't hold an electric candle to Chicago. But Chicago's "beach" is a joke, I'll tell you that right now. If there aren't sharks in it, I'm not convinced it's a beach.
QuoteSpeaking from the Loop, Jacksonville doesn't hold an electric candle to Chicago. But Chicago's "beach" is a joke, I'll tell you that right now. If there aren't sharks in it, I'm not convinced it's a beach.
My point exactly. Most people visiting for a football game or a work conference are either here from a big metro area or have visited many other big metro areas. Advising them to stay & play downtown Jax would be most likely give a bad impression of our area.
A lot of my visitors are from other coastal cities and beaches come a dime a dozen to them. However, areas like San Marco, Riverside and Springfield are pretty unique and there's always Downtown St. Augustine to fall back on. Nevertheless, I do understand Bridgetroll's point. An urban adult nightlife district would be beneficial for the community.
Thanks Lake... that really is my only point. :)
Quote from: Shwaz on February 04, 2009, 11:06:40 AM
There are walkable pockets of nightlife in Jax... just not in every neighborhood. The beach has just as many bars / night clubs as Ybor and is more accessable and better quality IMO
Ybor is way out on the outskirts of Tampa and is now completely run down. At 2am cops come out in force in almost riot gear looking to bust heads... last time I was there a horse (cop) bit my shoulder.
By outskirts do you mean 1 mile from downtown Tampa?
Interesting views. I have no problem with and support the idea of a "nightlife district". Strip clubs as a rule however, are bad news in many ways. Follow the money gents. These are not mom & pop stores. "Gentleman's clubs" are a rough and tough cash money business which as a matter of course operates on the fringes of legality. What kind of characters are drawn to a cash business which operates with sub standard real estate, unstable, naked, often drug addicted women, alcohol, and a business model based on exploiting customers, employees, and suppliers? Just a little more research than a night out looking would make my point pretty obvious. While you could argue that the drug peddling and prostitution are "petty", a LOT of money is moving through. Where do you think that money is coming from? $10 drinks? Do you really think these dancers are college students? Do you believe that these girls are not used and indoctrinated into a dead end lifestyle? How old do you think most of the dancers are when they start? I know that these vices are as old as mankind, and I know that there will always be an ugly underbelly to society, I just continue to be shocked at either the compliance or the ignorance that just shrugs it off. No offense gents, but just spend a little time dealing with this kind of crap and I believe that you would change your minds.
Quote from: tufsu1 on February 04, 2009, 03:44:36 PM
Quote from: Shwaz on February 04, 2009, 11:06:40 AM
There are walkable pockets of nightlife in Jax... just not in every neighborhood. The beach has just as many bars / night clubs as Ybor and is more accessable and better quality IMO
Ybor is way out on the outskirts of Tampa and is now completely run down. At 2am cops come out in force in almost riot gear looking to bust heads... last time I was there a horse (cop) bit my shoulder.
By outskirts do you mean 1 mile from downtown Tampa?
I have to agree with Schwaz on this one, Ybor has gotten really REALLY gross. Years ago it was a blast, and "the" place to go. I remember driving over there to go out, and it was absolutely thriving even at 2 in the morning.
But now all that has changed. Ybor is currently going through the same thing that happened to the Church Street district in Orlando back in the early 2000s. The rest of Tampa has now "grown up" in other areas, and there are many better places to go elsewhere. Same as happened with Church Street, the surrounding ghetto is gradually reclaiming it.
Last time I was in Tampa I drove through there, and it had really changed. Homeless people were everywhere begging, even in broad daylight, and there were a ton of vacancies and boarded-up buildings. So I guess not only would I no longer go there just because none of the "hot" clubs are there anymore, but I also wouldn't go because it just plain doesn't look safe.
Interesting. The surrounding areas were a part of a vibrant neighborhood until they built I-4 through the heart of it. While Ybor is not the club district it was in the 1990s, it does appear to be evolving as a livable urban district. Today, there are tons of lofts, condos, hotels, recently constructed infill single family housing and commercial development in Ybor. Today, the area is just not confined to 7th Avenue anymore. Its also getting an IKEA, so I disagree that its regressing. I'd say its rapidly turning back into a community again.
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Quote from: Shwaz on February 04, 2009, 03:28:25 PM
QuoteSpeaking from the Loop, Jacksonville doesn't hold an electric candle to Chicago. But Chicago's "beach" is a joke, I'll tell you that right now. If there aren't sharks in it, I'm not convinced it's a beach.
My point exactly. Most people visiting for a football game or a work conference are either here from a big metro area or have visited many other big metro areas. Advising them to stay & play downtown Jax would be most likely give a bad impression of our area.
Uh, Fella's, There ARE SHARKS in the Great Lakes! A fairly recent phenomenon, believe to have come from the Mississippi River, where Bull Shark pups started showing up. First it was a coastal back water thing, then suddenly a Memphis thing, then St. Louis and now they have caught the B**Tards In the Great Lakes. At least that is the theory. Bull's are the only adaptable salt or fresh water sharks, and also happen to be the ones that account for most of the attacks and deaths in the USA. How about we all meet at Bluff Landing down on the Ortega River for a good Ol Cross River swim and picnic... Say about the end of May? QuoteEven more rare, there have been reports of bull sharks that have apparently made their way up the Illinois River and into Lake Michigan such as the encounter of a female that was verified by U. of Illinois biologists as being 6 feet 9 inches and weighing over 300 lbs and located off the coast of Chicago, Illinois.[25]
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Jacksonville beach knows how to party down!
Having lived all over the America's I'd say our beaches are weak on a major city scale, but they are still excellent for nightlife considering the restrictions and long refusals of building and mass transit. I too have entertained many out-of-towers at the beach and to a person they have met with RAVE reviews. But the reviews are tainted with comments "What a fun little place", "Never heard of this village...Thanks Bob," "What was the name of that little beach you took us too?" etc.
Come-on guys, kill the build ban and let's say anything WEST of 3Rd can go as high as 100 floors. Beach keeps the afternoon sunlight (which high rises have killed in Daytona, Ft. Lauderdale etc) and we get the intensive development between the high water mark and the hotel/condo front doors.... Then of course JUST ADD STREETCAR. (http://www.freewebs.com/lightrailjacksonville/JAX%20PROJ%20Memphis%20night%20trolley%20w%20lights.bmp)
THIS IS THE A PHILLIP RANDOLPH VISION THAT CAME OUT OF THE CHARETTE! (Memphis)
QuoteHow about the A Phillip Randolph area? Why must it have a "family atmosphere" Shwaz?? Why would you send them all the way to the beaches?? There are a million of those places here in Metro Jacksonville. When Steelers fans come to town they do not ask for the family atmosphere district... They are looking for the district completely barren of families... distinctly lacking families... they want to have fun and not have to worry they might offend mother and child.
I love this idea, I was in on the A. Phillip Randolph Charette and have never been to one so energy packed. This district even gave us a guided walking and bus tour the whole length of the street. There's the grand old building that the "dumb negro" was told would have to come down for the freeway, but the "dumb negro" figured out how to freeze the ground under it and sitting on ICE he slid his massive building North of the Arlington Expressway! So much for inferior races! HA! The guy was brilliant!
Randolph has a hundred storys on every block and the community elders are more then willing to share EVERY tale. They are excited about visitors, they want tourism, the adore the Streetcar Concept, and they realize with the Stadiums nearby they are in a can't miss location. My money is more on A. Phillip Randolph as our future "Happening District" then any other neighborhood in Jacksonville. Perhaps someone has the drawings or report from that Charette, they are DAMN EXCITINGOCKLAWAHA
Quote from: thelakelander on February 08, 2009, 10:00:25 AM
Interesting. The surrounding areas were a part of a vibrant neighborhood until they built I-4 through the heart of it. While Ybor is not the club district it was in the 1990s, it does appear to be evolving as a livable urban district. Today, there are tons of lofts, condos, hotels, recently constructed infill single family housing and commercial development in Ybor. Today, the area is just not confined to 7th Avenue anymore. Its also getting an IKEA, so I disagree that its regressing. I'd say its rapidly turning back into a community again.
The condo/loft craze is dead as a doornail in Tampa. That's so 2007. My Dad's friend Felix Amon is (or I guess 'was') one of the larger developers over there and he just went belly-up, and says the market is abysmal. Most planned projects have been canceled, and even a good chunk of the ones that already broke ground won't be finished.
And as to ikea, that's their business model lately. They actively look to find areas where they can get property dirt cheap that's close to a major interstate, because they know that people will drive for XX amount of minutes to go to the store. If Ybor hadn't been in decline, they very likely would have located elsewhere to find cheaper land. Have you been to an ikea store before? The last one I went to was in Jersey, and it was built it on a former shipyard/superfund site, and it's in the middle of the Hood (note the capital "H" lol).
Back in the 1990s, Ybor used to remind me of the french quarter in New Orleans, thriving, and with a thousand different bars and restaurants, and all of them were always packed. But the last time I was there in 2008, 1/3rd of the buildings were boarded up and obviously neglected, the place was a total ghost-town with no pedestrians and few cars, and there were vagrants EVERYWHERE. The only places that had even a couple cars in front were the cigar museum and the movie theatre.
You really ought to go for a visit...if you haven't been for awhile, you're in for a real shock. I did a google search for some recent pics to illustrate my point...
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And note the omnipresent chickens. Always the sign of a great neighborhood:
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The place has changed. It really looks like it's going through exactly what happened to Church Street in the early 2000s.
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on February 08, 2009, 04:15:28 PM
The condo/loft craze is dead as a doornail in Tampa. That's so 2007. My Dad's friend Felix Amon is (or I guess 'was') one of the larger developers over there and he just went belly-up, and says the market is abysmal. Most planned projects have been canceled, and even a good chunk of the ones that already broke ground won't be finished.
That's not an indictment on the neighborhood. That's the current market we live in. Outside of a few select places, most real estate markets are struggling right now. Nevertheless, that area saw a significant amount of reconstruction during the boom,moreso than what was witnessed in any of Jacksonville's urban core neighborhoods.
QuoteAnd as to ikea, that's their business model lately. They actively look to find areas where they can get property dirt cheap that's close to a major interstate, because they know that people will drive for XX amount of minutes to go to the store. If Ybor hadn't been in decline, they very likely would have located elsewhere to find cheaper land. Have you been to an ikea store before? The last one I went to was in Jersey, and it was built it on a former shipyard/superfund site, and it's in the middle of the Hood (note the capital "H" lol).
They also put one in the heart of Atlanta's Atlantic Station. The industrial area they selected in Ybor had been in decline during and well before Ybor's greatest clubbing days. Before the bust of the market (IKEA was already coming in by then), several properties had been renovated into new uses. So I would disagree that the neighborhood declining would result in them coming to Ybor. If decline was truly a factor in landing IKEA, they would have found greater opportunity in a ton of other neighborhoods in Tampa, with direct interstate access.
QuoteBack in the 1990s, Ybor used to remind me of the french quarter in New Orleans, thriving, and with a thousand different bars and restaurants, and all of them were always packed. But the last time I was there in 2008, 1/3rd of the buildings were boarded up and obviously neglected, the place was a total ghost-town with no pedestrians and few cars, and there were vagrants EVERYWHERE. The only places that had even a couple cars in front were the cigar museum and the movie theatre.
Yes, in the 1990s, it really was an "adult entertainment district" (the vagrants were there during this era, as well). However, during the early 2000's the city attempted to make the area more family friendly. Since then, the vibe has changed.
QuoteYou really ought to go for a visit...if you haven't been for awhile, you're in for a real shock.
I was just there in December. Its still more vibrant and compact than any entertainment district we can offer up locally.
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QuoteThe place has changed. It really looks like it's going through exactly what happened to Church Street in the early 2000s.
Church Street was a two block complex owned by a single operator (like the Landing or Universal City Walk). Ybor is a neighborhood that happens to be a national historic district (like Springfield or Tampa's Hyde Park). Many popular 90s club districts (ex. Dallas' Deep Ellum, Cleveland's Flats, etc.) are going through the same thing (less clubs, more mixed use development). National economic conditions aside, Ybor will not die but it will continue to change from the 90s club district you remember, into a place not solely concentrated on 7th Avenue or dominated by bar/nightclub use as the major economic generator.
Quote from: kellypope on February 04, 2009, 03:17:25 PM
Speaking from the Loop, Jacksonville doesn't hold an electric candle to Chicago. But Chicago's "beach" is a joke, I'll tell you that right now. If there aren't sharks in it, I'm not convinced it's a beach.
Do you go to school in Chicago?
boy did this discussion deviate from the original question ;) :P
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No doubt. The discussion moved out the nudie bar and about three hours to the South.
to bring this back to original topic. There is no doubt strippers and stripe clubs are forms of vice. I have never entered one or have personal knowledge of one but I see such business exists in two big cities and offer two examples here:
1. Boston. Out side Boston along rt1, there are many strip clubs seems to be doing well by the fact the taxicabs traffic though I never encountered an adult that admits entered one. It is not a walkable area at all. actually quite like a "red light zone" from my point of view.
2. Montreal. The strip clubs are mixed in with all other business within the walking down town area. it can be next to a museum or a department store or some record store. They can be identified by small doors and thug looking security guards and advertise on the window. Did not see people go in or out because they seems to blend in or exit the crowd quickly.
my opinion, live and let live but zoning is needed. Outside of residential area is definite needed, outside commercial area is not needed. I do not want any club loud noise outside my house when its time to sleep no matter what that is. There is one certain church in Springfield used serves up loud music very early Sunday morning. Neighbors afraid to complain because it is church music. But the volume recently went down. I guess someone finally spoke up.
As for the impact on children, I think it is the parents responsibility to explain such things exists. If every parents get to eliminate what they think is harmful to their children from public, I do not know what will be left. Can I ask all the Protestant churches to be eliminated from down town jax? Can I ask all the light saber to be eliminated from toy stores? Can I ask hooters to be removed from Landing?
As for women, they are adults and capable of voice their opinion or make their choices. From my limited knowledge learned from limited women population, their concern is more about the work place sexual discrimination than objectivity of strip clubs.
Quote2. Montreal. The strip clubs are mixed in with all other business within the walking down town area. it can be next to a museum or a department store or some record store. They can be identified by small doors and thug looking security guards and advertise on the window. Did not see people go in or out because they seems to blend in or exit the crowd quickly.
I was in MTL in late August on a trip that ironically started in Boston. Strip Clubs are very much a part of the tourist trade there. I didn't enter any of them but will say it's exactly like you describe. They had crazy names too. - "Club Super Sex" was the only one I can remember. I spoke with a local guy in one of the restaurants and he said there whole angle is you're a loud to touch the girls during a lap dance.... but that it's really just a big money scam. Every cub had something like a $30 cover just to get in... from there you had to pay the inside doorman and then another guy to seat you. MTL was expensive enough for me to skip all that nonsense.
I was once part of a scam at a strip club in Budapest. They have many scams there that involve women and one of their most popular scams is in the stip clubs. I was there with a friend we got lured in off the street by a guy who advertised a dancer having 3 breast's. Of course we couldn't pass that up. It was a small cover to get in and the club was very nice inside. We ordered a couple drinks and were almost immediately joined by 2 dancers. They asked if we would by them a drink which we agreed. They were boring and apathetic and before finishing our first beers we were ready to leave. We asked for our bill which came out to like $400 for 2 beers and to champagne flutes of mystery drink the dancers had. We argued about being over charged and girls were trying to tell us that the drinks were actually a charge for them to be sent to our room after we left.
1. These girls sucked and theres no way we wanted to spend another minute with them 2.We're not that dumb.
The girls started getting upset because we refused to pay and they went for the bouncer. I dropped $20 on the table and headed for the door. My friend who at this time was furious about them trying to scam us stayed behind to pour every drink he could find all over the soft velvet bench's in the booth we were sitting at. In his haste he must've knocked over a few glasses that fell to the ground and shattered. One of the girls saw him and ran to the bouncer. I was now out front when my buddy came out and said "I broke some glasses... we should run" The last thing I remember was running down the side streets being chased by a bouncer that looked like a pro wrestler. Luckily I had on tennis shoes!
QuoteI was once part of a scam at a strip club in Budapest. They have many scams there that involve women and one of their most popular scams is in the stip clubs. I was there with a friend we got lured in off the street by a guy who advertised a dancer having 3 breast's. Of course we couldn't pass that up.
ROFL Man! I went to one with a cousin in Arkansas, it was the "FOUR BREAST ILLUSION"... WTF? So we, like you had to check it out. YEP! It was real alright, they had a 100 year old woman dancer with her boobs tied in a square knot.
Hee HeeOCKLAWAHA
:D Boobs in a knot would be a major let down... although believable with all the inbreeding in AR
For some reason I thought it would be like the girl in Total Recall hahaha
Just a place to see airheaded chicks with issues get naked for cash. And the issues are deep rooted. They are very dramatic, When I drove cabs Id pick them up with their boyfriends and the arguments were just classics!!! To date one you would either not really care about them and had other chicks OR a dude with no self esteem whatsoever. Its a waste of money IMO, but if you got it, hey spend it. I remember one stripper taking her kid to the daycare prior to "work" and she had the lil boy thinking she was a nurse. How lame is it you have to follow your stripper girl friend to work, watch her grind other dudes, other dudes grab her ass & tits, and you are sitting there like "thats my girlfriend YEA!" Then you got the stripper/prostitutes....these ain't the normal strippers...I remember this one I picked up from Lane Ave near Londontown....they didn't have enough to get a room for the night or whatever, so the GIRL was like "can we use the cab for an hour?" I parked the car at a carwash, took the keys, my ipod and went to China Wok. I made 30$ for taking a lunch break, plus her fare back to the strip club, the dude was gone when I came back. I remember another guy I picked up on McDuff, took him to the stripclub SOS on San Juan....Dude went in, got his girl and literally slapped his girl the whole trip down 17 to their apartment, with the girl saying "Im Sorry" "im sorry" "Im Sorry" "I won't go back" I got a 10tip for the "noise" plus the fare. You got the money, spend it. The women that work at these places....... :-[
LOL! you guys must have been really drunk. If a woman has 3 or 4 breasts, she would not be in any strip club. She would be on HBO. Or better yet, on 60 minutes or discover channel under the name "science" ;)
1. Everything is REAL in a strip Club
2. All strippers are there because stripping is an art.
3. All strippers are happily married without baggage of any sort.
4. I have the winning lottery numbers....
Most of the strippers I've known over the years had one of three situations. They needed extra money for school. They had a kid and it was the fastest way to make a lot of cash without being at work all the time (most girls work 4 days max per week). They started working to pay off debt, and now a "real job" seems less appealing because they make 300-800 per night in a bar.
Have any of you read Candy Girl?