QuoteRegency and Publix Super Markets Inc. remain committed to the project â€" St. Joe officials did not respond to requests for comment â€" but there is no scheduled start date.
“We’re still committed to the project, but we don’t have a specific timeline,†said Dwaine Stevens, a spokesman for Publix. Stevens said the start of the project is contingent on selling the condo units, and that construction on the project won’t start until at least 2010.
full article: http://jacksonville.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/stories/2009/01/12/daily2.html
At this point, I'd be surprised if they started this project before the end of 2010. In relation to local Publix expansion, it's on the back burner.
Demo is well underway. I always liked what I thought of as a mild art-deco style (I don't recall much of it in use in Jax) of the old American National (recently Wachovia) Bank. I thought that building had some reuse potential. It will be missed.
Any update on this yet? I'm over driving to a grocery store... walking is much preferred.
Nothing set in stone yet but I've heard rumblings. Something could be happening soon with the long proposed San Marco Publix.
We can only hope.
I'm glad they rushed to demolish the existing buildings for a project that has been struggling to get off the ground since its conception. But then again, what's a Jacksonville landscape without fenced off lots of overgrown exposed foundations of our buildings' past. The downtown look is spreading into San Marco. Great!
Quote from: JaxNative68 on February 15, 2011, 05:47:14 PM
I'm glad they rushed to demolish the existing buildings for a project that has been struggling to get off the ground since its conception. But then again, what's a Jacksonville landscape without fenced off lots of overgrown exposed foundations of our buildings' past. The downtown look is spreading into San Marco. Great!
It struggled to get off the ground because of the housing crisis. Can't really blame the developers in this instance.
I've been told that Regency and Publix have been a go the entire time, but they won't act until St. Joe is ready. I'll see what the status is next time I talk to my friend at Regency.
Quote from: JaxNative68 on February 15, 2011, 05:47:14 PM
I'm glad they rushed to demolish the existing buildings for a project that has been struggling to get off the ground since its conception. But then again, what's a Jacksonville landscape without fenced off lots of overgrown exposed foundations of our buildings' past. The downtown look is spreading into San Marco. Great!
Those buildings were no loss and weren't even very old. Strip center and concrete block box. What is proposed for that space, when it gets built, will be a great improvement for the neighborhood. A neighborhood needs a grocery store. Just ask us in Riverside.
still better than a fenced in overgrown lot with foundation ghosts of previous buildings.
Quote from: Dog Walker on February 16, 2011, 09:44:05 AM
Quote from: JaxNative68 on February 15, 2011, 05:47:14 PM
I'm glad they rushed to demolish the existing buildings for a project that has been struggling to get off the ground since its conception. But then again, what's a Jacksonville landscape without fenced off lots of overgrown exposed foundations of our buildings' past. The downtown look is spreading into San Marco. Great!
Those buildings were no loss and weren't even very old. Strip center and concrete block box. What is proposed for that space, when it gets built, will be a great improvement for the neighborhood. A neighborhood needs a grocery store. Just ask us in Riverside.
Gotta disagree with you here. There was a nice little commercial strip with active businesses, and an historic bank building.
Interesting how Publix can start the work in Villano Beach, but still leave San Marco high and dry....
Quote from: Miss Fixit on February 16, 2011, 03:20:17 PM
Quote from: Dog Walker on February 16, 2011, 09:44:05 AM
Quote from: JaxNative68 on February 15, 2011, 05:47:14 PM
I'm glad they rushed to demolish the existing buildings for a project that has been struggling to get off the ground since its conception. But then again, what's a Jacksonville landscape without fenced off lots of overgrown exposed foundations of our buildings' past. The downtown look is spreading into San Marco. Great!
Those buildings were no loss and weren't even very old. Strip center and concrete block box. What is proposed for that space, when it gets built, will be a great improvement for the neighborhood. A neighborhood needs a grocery store. Just ask us in Riverside.
Gotta disagree with you here. There was a nice little commercial strip with active businesses, and an historic bank building.
I had forgotten the little strip that was over there. I know LaMee the Florist had a shop over there, but I think that was it, by the time everything was torn down. (Those buildings are still there on Google Images.)
It would have been nice to have left the old bank standing, at least until they were ready to start construction. Sure, I know they're still planning to go forward with the project, but it wouldn't shock me in the least if the Publix and other development is scrapped, and all we're left with is a vacant lot.
Quote from: mtraininjax on February 16, 2011, 03:30:14 PM
Interesting how Publix can start the work in Villano Beach, but still leave San Marco high and dry....
It's not Regency/Publix... maybe soon a (long overdue) management shakeup at a certain former locally-headquarted company will have some positive effects.
QuoteGotta disagree with you here. There was a nice little commercial strip with active businesses, and an historic bank building.
It can't be historic. I remember seeing it being built! ;D
The location of LaMee the florist was originally a filling station.
Quote from: Bativac on February 16, 2011, 03:35:09 PM
Quote from: Miss Fixit on February 16, 2011, 03:20:17 PM
Quote from: Dog Walker on February 16, 2011, 09:44:05 AM
Quote from: JaxNative68 on February 15, 2011, 05:47:14 PM
I'm glad they rushed to demolish the existing buildings for a project that has been struggling to get off the ground since its conception. But then again, what's a Jacksonville landscape without fenced off lots of overgrown exposed foundations of our buildings' past. The downtown look is spreading into San Marco. Great!
Those buildings were no loss and weren't even very old. Strip center and concrete block box. What is proposed for that space, when it gets built, will be a great improvement for the neighborhood. A neighborhood needs a grocery store. Just ask us in Riverside.
Gotta disagree with you here. There was a nice little commercial strip with active businesses, and an historic bank building.
I had forgotten the little strip that was over there. I know LaMee the Florist had a shop over there, but I think that was it, by the time everything was torn down. (Those buildings are still there on Google Images.)
It would have been nice to have left the old bank standing, at least until they were ready to start construction. Sure, I know they're still planning to go forward with the project, but it wouldn't shock me in the least if the Publix and other development is scrapped, and all we're left with is a vacant lot.
They are taking after the Downtown pattern . Vacant lots. or slabs remaining for parking lots that were once-beautiful historic buildings.
And I agree ..The bank building was probably not what we normally think of as historic.. But it was a really nice building.
I remember a really good austrian/german resturant in that strip.
Makes you wonder if ANYONE at Publix has heard of our mobility plan and the multi-modal station that will be right up the block? Five years from now, that will completely reshape this section of town. Get in today and they might actually have some influence on design and build, drag their feet and who knows? Winn-Dixie builds an urban center at the foot of the Skyway? Could Happen!
OCKLAWAHA
QuoteWinn-Dixie builds an urban center at the foot of the Skyway? Could Happen!
Winn-Dixie will be lucky if it has enough sales to be around next year. Stock price continues to dive after remodels, so the south is still stuck in a rough recession.
Quote from: mtraininjax on February 16, 2011, 03:30:14 PM
Interesting how Publix can start the work in Villano Beach, but still leave San Marco high and dry....
That had alot to do with contractual obligations at the Vilano site.
My wife and I consdiered moving to San Marco over a year ago, but the first thing that we looked for (besides the house) was a supermarket. Since there were no supermarkets within a reasonable distance, we scrapped San Marco all together. I have a feeling that we're not the first.
It's a shame too because I really like that neighborhood.
Maybe it's just me, but I wonder if we are all not a bit spoiled these days. There are tons of grocery stores with a few miles of San Marco. I think one could drive to the Riverside Publix or the Publix at Bartram and Atlantic in less than 10 minutes.
We live in Springfield, and shop at the Winn Dixie on Union, the Publix in Riverside or one of the many Wal-Mart stores within a few miles of downtown. I love our neighborhood, and honestly never thought to rule it out because there was no grocery there.
Not a criticism, just a thought/opinion/discussion item.
Quote from: Ocklawaha on February 16, 2011, 07:36:33 PM
Makes you wonder if ANYONE at Publix has heard of our mobility plan and the multi-modal station that will be right up the block? Five years from now, that will completely reshape this section of town. Get in today and they might actually have some influence on design and build, drag their feet and who knows? Winn-Dixie builds an urban center at the foot of the Skyway? Could Happen!
OCKLAWAHA
Is that station actually going to be there in 5 years? Is it official?
It is officially in the mobility plan as a priority item.
OCKLAWAHA
Quote from: aaapolito on February 17, 2011, 12:33:55 PM
My wife and I consdiered moving to San Marco over a year ago, but the first thing that we looked for (besides the house) was a supermarket. Since there were no supermarkets within a reasonable distance, we scrapped San Marco all together. I have a feeling that we're not the first.
It's a shame too because I really like that neighborhood.
Quote from: Debbie Thompson on February 17, 2011, 12:46:24 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I wonder if we are all not a bit spoiled these days. There are tons of grocery stores with a few miles of San Marco. I think one could drive to the Riverside Publix or the Publix at Bartram and Atlantic in less than 10 minutes.
We live in Springfield, and shop at the Winn Dixie on Union, the Publix in Riverside or one of the many Wal-Mart stores within a few miles of downtown. I love our neighborhood, and honestly never thought to rule it out because there was no grocery there.
Not a criticism, just a thought/opinion/discussion item.
Also close (within 10 minutes or less) to Riverside, San Marco, and Springfield is the Jacksonville Farmers Market on W. Beaver Street (a block from east from Stockton or a mile or two west of Downtown), best place in Jax for fresh and super-cheap produce, etc.: http://www.jaxfarmersmarket.com/
Quote from: Ocklawaha on February 17, 2011, 12:56:15 PM
It is officially in the mobility plan as a priority item.
OCKLAWAHA
A skyway extension to Atlantic Blvd is in the Mobility Plan but not a priority project. The only mass transit related priority projects in the initial CIE are a streetcar line between Park&King and DT and a commuter rail segment between DT and Zoo Parkway.
Quote from: thelakelander on February 17, 2011, 07:55:41 PM
Quote from: Ocklawaha on February 17, 2011, 12:56:15 PM
It is officially in the mobility plan as a priority item.
OCKLAWAHA
A skyway extension to Atlantic Blvd is in the Mobility Plan but not a priority project. The only mass transit related priority projects in the initial CIE are a streetcar line between Park&King and DT and a commuter rail segment between DT and Zoo Parkway.
Thank goodness! Streetcar and commuter rail should always come before the Skyway. Not even close.
Quote from: Debbie Thompson on February 17, 2011, 12:46:24 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I wonder if we are all not a bit spoiled these days. There are tons of grocery stores with a few miles of San Marco. I think one could drive to the Riverside Publix or the Publix at Bartram and Atlantic in less than 10 minutes.
One of the benefits of living in a San Marco or Riverside-type neighborhood is that you can walk to many/most amenities (i.e., bars, restaurants, banks,
supermarkets?). Some people trade house/yard size for these benefits. If you have to drive to the supermarket, many people probably feel the tradeoffs are not worth it and choose to live in the 'burbs. With a Skyway extension and supermarket, it would be feasible to live in San Marco sans automobile. Most families would probably still own one, but they wouldn't need it.
I got a lesson today on what can happen when you try to live in San Marco sans car. My bike was stolen from the San Marco Skyway station ... in the middle of the day! It was locked to the bike rack so someone used a set of cutters in broad daylight. Now I am beginning to wonder - what is it you STJR?
It doesn't really matter whether or not we think we need a Publix in San Marco. The question for Publix is would we support it? And the bigger question for them might be the impact it would have on the two stores they recently built nearby. I hope it comes, partly because I can't stand the barren lot - reminds me too much of downtown.
Doug sorry to hear. There are cameras at all the stations. Maybe it was caught on tape!
Quote from: dougskiles on February 17, 2011, 08:31:36 PM
I got a lesson today on what can happen when you try to live in San Marco sans car. My bike was stolen from the San Marco Skyway station ... in the middle of the day! It was locked to the bike rack so someone used a set of cutters in broad daylight. Now I am beginning to wonder - what is it you STJR?
Doug, I dislike the Skyway, not you. Twasn't me. Stephen would have you believe I have never driven a bike, much less the Skyway or other mass transit so it's clear I would never be a suspect. 8)
Here is a theory: JTA arranged its disappearance so that you might use it to discredit Skyway critics as seeking revenge on the Skyway's riders. Naaaaah.... JTA isn't that clever. ;D
Here is another: JTA has no Skyway security and all those employees they hire to monitor the stations via cameras .... Well, they really don't . Yeaaaah.... that's the JTA we all know. :D
Sorry for your loss. Jax will need to find a way to make bike riders like you feel safe to encourage more of your healthy and green habits.
Just curious, will you continue to use the Skyway? How many others have been driven off by similar experiences? Does JTA know of these incidences? Do they do anything to address the resulting concerns? Do they really care at all about Skyway riders? (Maybe not, if they hope to kill it off. Now, that's a JTA decision I would like to see.)
Interesting article in this week's Economist about the retail sector and struggling strip malls...seemed relevant here or under the Walmart thread.
I especially thought this was interesting: "Mr. McMahon recently observed two Barnes & Noble outlets close to each other in Maryland. The one in a strip mall did less well than the one with no dedicated parking, but near a cycle path and the train."
Here's a link: http://www.economist.com/node/18178507
Quote from: stjr on February 17, 2011, 09:20:04 PM
Just curious, will you continue to use the Skyway? How many others have been driven off by similar experiences?
I had a car stolen off of Emerson and I-95 a few years ago. I was so put off by that experience that I purchased a truck within the next week.
Don't know if it specifically had anything to do with East San Marco, but I passed the site a little while ago and there was a crew out there. It looked like they were marking utilities coming into the site along Atlantic and Hendricks, they had ground penetrating radar or something similar they were pushing around.
There was also a crew installing new Wells Fargo signage on the Wachovia ... which I guess now is the Wells Fargo!
Quote from: stjr on February 17, 2011, 09:20:04 PM
Quote from: dougskiles on February 17, 2011, 08:31:36 PM
I got a lesson today on what can happen when you try to live in San Marco sans car. My bike was stolen from the San Marco Skyway station ... in the middle of the day! It was locked to the bike rack so someone used a set of cutters in broad daylight. Now I am beginning to wonder - what is it you STJR?
Doug, I dislike the Skyway, not you. Twasn't me. Stephen would have you believe I have never driven a bike, much less the Skyway or other mass transit so it's clear I would never be a suspect. 8)
Here is a theory: JTA arranged its disappearance so that you might use it to discredit Skyway critics as seeking revenge on the Skyway's riders. Naaaaah.... JTA isn't that clever. ;D
Here is another: JTA has no Skyway security and all those employees they hire to monitor the stations via cameras .... Well, they really don't . Yeaaaah.... that's the JTA we all know. :D
Sorry for your loss. Jax will need to find a way to make bike riders like you feel safe to encourage more of your healthy and green habits.
Just curious, will you continue to use the Skyway? How many others have been driven off by similar experiences? Does JTA know of these incidences? Do they do anything to address the resulting concerns? Do they really care at all about Skyway riders? (Maybe not, if they hope to kill it off. Now, that's a JTA decision I would like to see.)
Hard to blame JTA for that one. Dumb luck is what I wrote it off as. And probably riding too nice of a bike to leave locked up for several hours. I'm going to get the cheapest functional bike that I can find as a replacement.
Yes, JTA is aware of it and told me they have security cameras. I also filed a police report. But I have very little expectation of getting it back.
No, it won't stop me from riding the Skyway. From where I work, it is the most convenient way for me to get downtown, particularly when I have meetings that will last longer than I can feed quarters into the parking meters.
I agree, we do need to provide a better environment for people riding bikes. I love the freedom the bike provides. It brings back many of the feelings I had as a kid riding my bike all over south Florida.
Why hasn't the "rush" to build walkable urban grocery stores materialized in San Marco? http://urbanland.uli.org/Articles/2011/Mar/NewbergGrocery
because about the only thing jacksonville does rush to do is bull doze stuff.
PLUS ONE!
Quotebecause about the only thing jacksonville does rush to do is bull doze stuff.
Wow, I guess The Strand and Peninsula are just imaginary concrete structures. I'll have to remember that when I am in them for parties, wow, will I get some strange looks from the other guests. Stranger than the looks I get here, mind you.
Quote from: mtraininjax on April 21, 2011, 05:18:39 PM
Quotebecause about the only thing jacksonville does rush to do is bull doze stuff.
Wow, I guess The Strand and Peninsula are just imaginary concrete structures. I'll have to remember that when I am in them for parties, wow, will I get some strange looks from the other guests. Stranger than the looks I get here, mind you.
no but neither of those are grocery stores. I will give them a small + for having a Saki House on the back side.
Sure, props for building more high end condos. But we don't need any more condos at moment, we need reasons to get people to come to the Urban Core.
Quote from: mtraininjax on April 21, 2011, 05:18:39 PM
Quotebecause about the only thing jacksonville does rush to do is bull doze stuff.
Wow, I guess The Strand and Peninsula are just imaginary concrete structures. I'll have to remember that when I am in them for parties, wow, will I get some strange looks from the other guests. Stranger than the looks I get here, mind you.
I'm not sure I get what you're saying. Are you saying Jax should pat ourselves on the back and crack open a Natural Light because we've added 2 new residential structures in the past 4 years??
Just about every city our size or larger has done 5 times that amount since then. Those two buildings also do nothing to activate the streets around them. They're vertically built Marsh Landings, that's all.
Quote from: mtraininjax on April 21, 2011, 05:18:39 PM
Quotebecause about the only thing jacksonville does rush to do is bull doze stuff.
Wow, I guess The Strand and Peninsula are just imaginary concrete structures. I'll have to remember that when I am in them for parties, wow, will I get some strange looks from the other guests. Stranger than the looks I get here, mind you.
The point of the post was , and it is completely true , Jacksonville is famous , in part for bulldozing, Hence the almost total destruction of Brooklyn, La Villa, Downtown, etc.
I get what you're saying, however you seem not to care at all about anything historic or significant, In real life ,you might be a really nice person.. I don't know but you sure readily pick fault with most every poster on the forum, and certainly with any view point of mine, but that too, is your option.
Quote from: dougskiles on February 23, 2011, 02:49:56 PM
Quote from: stjr on February 17, 2011, 09:20:04 PM
Quote from: dougskiles on February 17, 2011, 08:31:36 PM
I got a lesson today on what can happen when you try to live in San Marco sans car. My bike was stolen from the San Marco Skyway station ... in the middle of the day! It was locked to the bike rack so someone used a set of cutters in broad daylight. Now I am beginning to wonder - what is it you STJR?
Doug, I dislike the Skyway, not you. Twasn't me. Stephen would have you believe I have never driven a bike, much less the Skyway or other mass transit so it's clear I would never be a suspect. 8)
Here is a theory: JTA arranged its disappearance so that you might use it to discredit Skyway critics as seeking revenge on the Skyway's riders. Naaaaah.... JTA isn't that clever. ;D
Here is another: JTA has no Skyway security and all those employees they hire to monitor the stations via cameras .... Well, they really don't . Yeaaaah.... that's the JTA we all know. :D
Sorry for your loss. Jax will need to find a way to make bike riders like you feel safe to encourage more of your healthy and green habits.
Just curious, will you continue to use the Skyway? How many others have been driven off by similar experiences? Does JTA know of these incidences? Do they do anything to address the resulting concerns? Do they really care at all about Skyway riders? (Maybe not, if they hope to kill it off. Now, that's a JTA decision I would like to see.)
Hard to blame JTA for that one. Dumb luck is what I wrote it off as. And probably riding too nice of a bike to leave locked up for several hours. I'm going to get the cheapest functional bike that I can find as a replacement.
Yes, JTA is aware of it and told me they have security cameras. I also filed a police report. But I have very little expectation of getting it back.
No, it won't stop me from riding the Skyway. From where I work, it is the most convenient way for me to get downtown, particularly when I have meetings that will last longer than I can feed quarters into the parking meters.
I agree, we do need to provide a better environment for people riding bikes. I love the freedom the bike provides. It brings back many of the feelings I had as a kid riding my bike all over south Florida.
Good for you Doug for having such a positive attitude in light of your less-than-positive situation. I agree that it would be difficult to blame JTA on that one. It could have truly happened anywhere in the city. Although I wonder how someone can walk around carrying bolt cutters and not get some kind of notice.
Today driving by the site i noticed pink city signs announcing a hearing regarding the development of the property. They did not have a date on them but they looked new and I hadn't noticed them before. They were on the Publix site and the other empty lot east of the Wachovia.
The signs on the property are noticing the public hearing for the development agreement they applied for. They hold a concurrency reservation certificate (CRC) for the project which is set to expire. For them to avoid the soon-to-be-implemented mobility fee they needed to obtain a development agreement for the trips they have through the CRC.
They must receive city council approval for the development agreement. I am a supporter of the mobility plan and generally would not approve of someone working their way around it. However, in this case, the entire project was planned without the expectation of a large mobility fee payment. It doesn't seem fair for them to have to include that cost now.
As I'm writing this, it did occur to me that the council could include some conditions on the approval that they incorporate some of the transit elements into their plan that would have allowed them to reduce the mobility fee.
How does the Mobility Fee process work?
When was it implemented?
It hardly seems like this will have much of an impact on their plans, the thing has been dead in the water for long enough that the construction could hardly go off according to their original plan.
Quote from: Tacachale on June 05, 2011, 10:17:56 AM
It hardly seems like this will have much of an impact on their plans, the thing has been dead in the water for long enough that the construction could hardly go off according to their original plan.
When you say 'this' do you mean the mobility fee? It would be a pretty big hit for a project of this size. They invested quite a bit in design and the PUD is very specific about the development. So for them to do something different at this stage would take a while. They might make some changes in unit size and phasing, but I beleive they will stick pretty close to the original plan.
What I would love to see them do is incorporate a boutique hotel into the plan. With San Marco Square basically one block away, it would be a great location. Even better with a Skyway extension to Atlantic that would come within 2 blocks of the eastern boundary of the project.
Quote from: blandman on February 18, 2011, 11:43:45 AM
Interesting article in this week's Economist about the retail sector and struggling strip malls...seemed relevant here or under the Walmart thread.
I especially thought this was interesting: "Mr. McMahon recently observed two Barnes & Noble outlets close to each other in Maryland. The one in a strip mall did less well than the one with no dedicated parking, but near a cycle path and the train."
Here's a link: http://www.economist.com/node/18178507
Not at all relevant to this thread but simply weird -
The dateline for this
Economist article is my own hometown: Freeport, Long Island.
As far as I can tell there isn't anything in the article that would account for that dateline.
Regarding the mobility fee and how it will impact this project, from my understanding existing grandfathered projects like this will have the option of staying under the old concurrency numbers or going with the mobility fee.
If they are doing what they are because they are scared of the mobility fee, I'd suggest they study this thing a little more in detail before potentially locking themselves into a higher concurrency number. The mobility fee is intended to reward developers for good urban design, especially within the urban core. My initial suspect is that they may be looking at a general mobility fee number before applying the credit adjustments for their urban site and design. This site should get mobility fee credit adjustments for a number of things. Off the top of my head, these include:
- Trips that were approved for previous uses of the parcels that make up this site.
- Surrounding street intersection density
- Surrounding bicycle network completion
- Surrounding sidewalk network completion
- household density (both within this development and the surrounding neighborhood)
- Number of employees within this development
- For having a mix of uses
- Being near existing and proposed transit corridors
Once they apply the URBEMIS adjustments, they may not be paying much of a mobility fee at all. My advice to this group would be to make sure they understand and apply the credit adjustments to their project and determine what that mobility fee number is before locking themselves into a potentially higher concurrency amount.
Quote from: Dashing Dan on June 05, 2011, 12:07:53 PM
Quote from: blandman on February 18, 2011, 11:43:45 AM
Interesting article in this week's Economist about the retail sector and struggling strip malls...seemed relevant here or under the Walmart thread.
I especially thought this was interesting: "Mr. McMahon recently observed two Barnes & Noble outlets close to each other in Maryland. The one in a strip mall did less well than the one with no dedicated parking, but near a cycle path and the train."
Here's a link: http://www.economist.com/node/18178507
Not at all relevant to this thread but simply weird -
The dateline for this Economist article is my own hometown: Freeport, Long Island.
As far as I can tell there isn't anything in the article that would account for that dateline.
the guy quoted in the story, Ed McMahon, will be here in Jacksonville on Wednesday for a ULI event...he is also a luncheon speaker at the APA Florida conference in Palm Beach this September.
Here's the flier for that ULI event with Ed McMahon.
It's at UNF this Wednesday June 8, starting at 1 PM.
Registration costs $35 in advance or $40 at the door.
https://netforum.uli.org/iWeb/upload/InfrastructurePromoFlierJAX.pdf (https://netforum.uli.org/iWeb/upload/InfrastructurePromoFlierJAX.pdf)
McMahon is quite good and the rest of the panel looks good too.
Have any of our esteemed planners or CofC types even bothered to inform Publix of the proposed Skyway extension to their front door in San Marco? That would be a game changer but shhh... we're asleep at the wheel.
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Probably not. However, such a project, along with that proposed commuter rail line would also lower their mobility fee. If something like that happened, they could probably get away with less on-site parking as well because they could make an argument that they're a TOD.
They have a CRC now but it will expire soon and I suppose they are in fear of not getting the extension. The CRC meant no payment for any trips. But that brings an interesting question - if you are supposed to get credit for existing trips reserved from previous proposed uses - how do you keep that credit active? If nothing is required, then you're right, the development agreement may be a waste of time.
I forwarded the link to the development manager for the project hoping that he will jump in the conversation and explain.
State concurrency rules (and this part is still in law) require 110% trip credit of existing uses for redevelopment sites....BUT....local governments can decide when that credit expires based on how long it has been since the previous use was in operation.....this tends to be flexible, but most municipailities around FL have used 1-2 years...anything more and the credit expires (since the old trips aren't in the traffic counts anymore).
Quote from: Ocklawaha on June 05, 2011, 02:42:46 PM
Have any of our esteemed planners or CofC types even bothered to inform Publix of the proposed Skyway extension to their front door in San Marco? That would be a game changer but shhh... we're asleep at the wheel.
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Excuse my general ignorance, but what are "CofC" types? I can't help but to think you mean College of Charleston???
Chamber of Commerce
QuoteRemember the plans for a Publix supermarket in San Marco?
Merchants and residents of the neighborhood sure do.
After city signs went up informing passersby of an upcoming public hearing for the property, San Marco business owner Forrest Brewer got five calls that day from people wanting to know what he'd heard.
"They were just hoping it meant they were going to get started with building it," said Brewer, who owns the Wardroom and is a member of San Marco's merchant association and its preservation society. "This has been going on for a long time and people are really ready."
As it turned out, the reason for the signs offered both disappointment and reassurance.
The developer, a partnership led by St. Joe, is asking the City Council to approve an agreement that would give East San Marco LLC the right to reserve some traffic capacity on nearby roads for the project. The plan still calls for a Publix plus space for other retailers, along with 160 condominiums at the corner of Hendricks Avenue and Atlantic Boulevard.
But dirt won't be turned any time soon.
The development agreement would give East San Marco LLC seven years to get the first phase - containing 57,000 square feet of retail space and 125 condominiums - designed, permitted and ready for final development approval. East Marco LLC would have nine years to reach the same benchmark for the second phase with the remaining condominiums.
City officials also fielded phone calls after the signs went up with questions about what it meant for the planned Publix.
The city approved a zoning change for East San Marco in 2006, and a Wachovia bank was built at the site, but the recession stalled the rest of the project.
"The neighborhood and the merchants are very much in support of a Publix coming and continuing to drive traffic to the neighborhood," said Desiree Bailey, owner of San Marco Bookstore and president of the merchant's association.
Chris Kuhn, director of development for St. Joe, said the timeline remains highly dependent on the real estate market. He said East San Marco LLC is exploring ways to advance the project.
City Councilman Art Shad, whose district covers San Marco, said based on conversations he's had with the developers, he's convinced that when the real estate market improves, the development will move forward.
The Publix would be built on the first floor of a multi-story building with condominiums over the grocery store.
Publix spokesman Dwaine Stevens said the company remains committed to East San Marco, which he noted is dependent on being able to sell condominiums.
Read more at: http://jacksonville.com/business/2011-06-08/story/finally-some-movement-publix-san-marco-catch
Quote from: iMarvin on June 08, 2011, 01:34:03 PM
QuoteRemember the plans for a Publix supermarket in San Marco?
Merchants and residents of the neighborhood sure do.
After city signs went up informing passersby of an upcoming public hearing for the property, San Marco business owner Forrest Brewer got five calls that day from people wanting to know what he'd heard.
"They were just hoping it meant they were going to get started with building it," said Brewer, who owns the Wardroom and is a member of San Marco's merchant association and its preservation society. "This has been going on for a long time and people are really ready."
As it turned out, the reason for the signs offered both disappointment and reassurance.
The developer, a partnership led by St. Joe, is asking the City Council to approve an agreement that would give East San Marco LLC the right to reserve some traffic capacity on nearby roads for the project. The plan still calls for a Publix plus space for other retailers, along with 160 condominiums at the corner of Hendricks Avenue and Atlantic Boulevard.
But dirt won't be turned any time soon.
The development agreement would give East San Marco LLC seven years to get the first phase - containing 57,000 square feet of retail space and 125 condominiums - designed, permitted and ready for final development approval. East Marco LLC would have nine years to reach the same benchmark for the second phase with the remaining condominiums.
City officials also fielded phone calls after the signs went up with questions about what it meant for the planned Publix.
The city approved a zoning change for East San Marco in 2006, and a Wachovia bank was built at the site, but the recession stalled the rest of the project.
"The neighborhood and the merchants are very much in support of a Publix coming and continuing to drive traffic to the neighborhood," said Desiree Bailey, owner of San Marco Bookstore and president of the merchant's association.
Chris Kuhn, director of development for St. Joe, said the timeline remains highly dependent on the real estate market. He said East San Marco LLC is exploring ways to advance the project.
City Councilman Art Shad, whose district covers San Marco, said based on conversations he's had with the developers, he's convinced that when the real estate market improves, the development will move forward.
The Publix would be built on the first floor of a multi-story building with condominiums over the grocery store.
Publix spokesman Dwaine Stevens said the company remains committed to East San Marco, which he noted is dependent on being able to sell condominiums.
Read more at: http://jacksonville.com/business/2011-06-08/story/finally-some-movement-publix-san-marco-catch
Well atleast it will happen buy the time Im 38. I am currently 29 .LOL Hopefully they find some creative ways to get it done faster.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on June 08, 2011, 01:56:29 PM
Quote from: iMarvin on June 08, 2011, 01:34:03 PM
QuoteRemember the plans for a Publix supermarket in San Marco?
Merchants and residents of the neighborhood sure do.
After city signs went up informing passersby of an upcoming public hearing for the property, San Marco business owner Forrest Brewer got five calls that day from people wanting to know what he'd heard.
"They were just hoping it meant they were going to get started with building it," said Brewer, who owns the Wardroom and is a member of San Marco's merchant association and its preservation society. "This has been going on for a long time and people are really ready."
As it turned out, the reason for the signs offered both disappointment and reassurance.
The developer, a partnership led by St. Joe, is asking the City Council to approve an agreement that would give East San Marco LLC the right to reserve some traffic capacity on nearby roads for the project. The plan still calls for a Publix plus space for other retailers, along with 160 condominiums at the corner of Hendricks Avenue and Atlantic Boulevard.
But dirt won't be turned any time soon.
The development agreement would give East San Marco LLC seven years to get the first phase - containing 57,000 square feet of retail space and 125 condominiums - designed, permitted and ready for final development approval. East Marco LLC would have nine years to reach the same benchmark for the second phase with the remaining condominiums.
City officials also fielded phone calls after the signs went up with questions about what it meant for the planned Publix.
The city approved a zoning change for East San Marco in 2006, and a Wachovia bank was built at the site, but the recession stalled the rest of the project.
"The neighborhood and the merchants are very much in support of a Publix coming and continuing to drive traffic to the neighborhood," said Desiree Bailey, owner of San Marco Bookstore and president of the merchant's association.
Chris Kuhn, director of development for St. Joe, said the timeline remains highly dependent on the real estate market. He said East San Marco LLC is exploring ways to advance the project.
City Councilman Art Shad, whose district covers San Marco, said based on conversations he's had with the developers, he's convinced that when the real estate market improves, the development will move forward.
The Publix would be built on the first floor of a multi-story building with condominiums over the grocery store.
Publix spokesman Dwaine Stevens said the company remains committed to East San Marco, which he noted is dependent on being able to sell condominiums.
Read more at: http://jacksonville.com/business/2011-06-08/story/finally-some-movement-publix-san-marco-catch
Well atleast it will happen buy the time Im 38. I am currently 29 .LOL Hopefully they find some creative ways to get it done faster.
Well that's too bad. I'd think about buying a condo there just to get this publix moving along. ;)
If I remember correctly, there were many San Marco residents that were fighting this development from the beginning. They wanted the grocery store, but complained the rest of the development was too large for the neighborhood. they publicly spoke out negatively about the project, had petitions circulating to get it stopped and redesigned to the point of it being virtually not profitable for the developer to build, they complained loudly to the local politicians to intervene and not to approve the design. Now the residents of San Marco are complaining that the project has been on hold to long or isn't going to get built? Really? Watch what you wish for (especially in Jax if it results in more demolished buildings for vacant lots with exposed foundations and cheap perimeter fencing), it looks like their original wish has come true with its own little Jacksonville touch.
I lived in San Marco when this project was first proposed, and most residents were all for it. As always, the people opposed to any construction shout the loudest, but I'm sure that most people in the area were in favor of this.
Quote from: JaxNative68 on June 08, 2011, 08:28:11 PM
If I remember correctly, there were many San Marco residents that were fighting this development from the beginning. They wanted the grocery store, but complained the rest of the development was too large for the neighborhood. they publicly spoke out negatively about the project, had petitions circulating to get it stopped and redesigned to the point of it being virtually not profitable for the developer to build, they complained loudly to the local politicians to intervene and not to approve the design. Now the residents of San Marco are complaining that the project has been on hold to long or isn't going to get built? Really? Watch what you wish for (especially in Jax if it results in more demolished buildings for vacant lots with exposed foundations and cheap perimeter fencing), it looks like their original wish has come true with its own little Jacksonville touch.
Are you sure this is the project that raised so much opposition? I don't remember hearing of it at the time. Perhaps you are thinking about Jackson Square (I think that was the name of it).
I don't recall much opposition back then... and now the people who actually live in San Marco/Miramar area who could actually benefit from said Publix have changed a lot, younger families and such taking over houses, I've even seen a few hybrid cars. Would be nice to be able to WALK down Hendricks to Publix as opposed to Emerson/St Augustine Road (creepy) or University (scary).
May just move back to Riverside at this rate -.-
There was very little opposition to the St. Joe project. These were well designed units and the added benefit of a Publix in the neighborhood was huge.
Jackson Square, on the other hand, was highly controversial primarily because of a related proposed road closure.
So in other words, no, there was not this huge backlash against this project.
What ended up happening with the Jackson Square project?
It appears to be dead in the water. The developers have done something cool during the real estate downturn, however - they created a wildflower and community vegetable garden on the property.
So that's where it is. That's definitely a good use for property in a down market.
Property is for sale.
Anyone know anything about the status of this project (the Publix part)? Any movement?
None that I am aware of.
What is the listing price for this property?
I heard yesterday that Publix wants to move forward at this location within a year. This isn't a guarantee of anything but it seems to still be on their radar.
Publix always has. It's been St Joe's residential component that has held the project back. I think you're going to see Joe move forward on a few of their dormant sites in the near future with slightly different expectations from what I understand.
Quote from: fieldafm on April 26, 2012, 09:17:25 AM
Publix always has. It's been St Joe's residential component that has held the project back. I think you're going to see Joe move forward on a few of their dormant sites in the near future with slightly different expectations from what I understand.
Slightly different expectations...in what sense?
^I would imagine they will be scaling back the residential components.
Quote from: fieldafm on April 26, 2012, 09:17:25 AM
Publix always has. It's been St Joe's residential component that has held the project back. I think you're going to see Joe move forward on a few of their dormant sites in the near future with slightly different expectations from what I understand.
St. Joe has recently lit the fuse on 'Rivertown' down here in St. johns, and they are building about as fast as the boom years. My guess is St. Joe is in the same position as Flagler, Nocatee etc. These are mega corporations with billions of dollars to play with, annual ups and downs don't mean nearly as much to them as to the smaller developer. They are in it for the long haul and generally will keep moving in their originally stated direction.
QuoteSt. Joe has recently lit the fuse on 'Rivertown' down here in St. johns
Well maybe this will end their silt runoff problem that's been polluting the St. Johns.
Quote from: cline on April 26, 2012, 09:56:50 AM
^I would imagine they will be scaling back the residential components.
Given the economic change, it probably makes more sense for a scaled down residential component to be rental instead of condos. San Marco is a pretty desirable place. Something similar to 200 Riverside should be viable on that property, especially with Publix committed as a retail anchor.
QuoteSan Marco is a pretty desirable place.
Not while San Marco Blvd is torn up, I and many friends avoid the area. When the road gets finished, it will be much better, but not till.
Quote from: mtraininjax on April 26, 2012, 01:35:27 PM
QuoteSan Marco is a pretty desirable place.
Not while San Marco Blvd is torn up, I and many friends avoid the area. When the road gets finished, it will be much better, but not till.
I lived in San Marco for 20 years. Have an affinity for the place. It's my home (now I consider Avondale/Riverside my home). But, I'm the first one to admit: San Marco is some pretty ugly stuff right now. Maybe it's just that drive in passing Aix and European Street, but that roadwork is awful. Right when you hit the square, it looks like a ghost town. I'm not sure if its because they took out lights or trees or the road or what, but it just looks terrible.
^It's just the fact that the roadwork is going on currently. We'll see the payoff when it's done, as has happened in the Square and on Hendricks. Life will return pretty quickly.
Quote^It's just the fact that the roadwork is going on currently. We'll see the payoff when it's done, as has happened in the Square and on Hendricks. Life will return pretty quickly.
+1 I agree. It will come back, just fix the road.
I agree to both of the above comments.
But, is it just me, or does that spot where they're constructing look very open/empty? Did they remove trees? Take down the light? What is it that's making that area look so barren? I get it..there's road construction..but looking ABOVE the construction, it doesn't look like the same intersection it was, say, 8 months ago.
All of the trees were removed.