Construction at Tapestry Park Continues
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Although new construction has slowed to almost a standstill across the city, Tapestry Park continues to expand.
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Looks like good stuff
I love how scared Jax is to build up.
I lived in Jax for three years and now living in Dublin, Ireland going on two years and it is the same here but for different reasons. There is a ban to build above six stories to preserve the architecture of the old Georgian homes. You see some buildings getting approval for 15 stories (U2 is building a highrise in city centre but it is few and far between). Now with all of the bans on going verticle, people are having to commute an hour and a half each way to get to work.
What is Jacksonville preserving by not going verticle?
Quote from: dubguy82 on December 01, 2008, 06:18:14 AM
I love how scared Jax is to build up.
I lived in Jax for three years and now living in Dublin, Ireland going on two years and it is the same here but for different reasons. There is a ban to build above six stories to preserve the architecture of the old Georgian homes. You see some buildings getting approval for 15 stories (U2 is building a highrise in city centre but it is few and far between). Now with all of the bans on going verticle, people are having to commute an hour and a half each way to get to work.
What is Jacksonville preserving by not going verticle?
Is there a "vertical" limitation in the city, wasn't aware of it. Certainly in the burbs you would want to limit a huge building, see the vystar monstrosity on blanding, but other than the beach wasn't aware of one.
Height is generally a function of the zoning classification.
The Building and Life Safety codes have cost implications, even where
a greater height is permitted.
Putting that aside, this is a nice looking project.
To have a new Indigo is impressive.
Hospitality growth is going to probably take a hit.
They could have gone up a few more stories as BCBS has already set a precedent of having taller buildings (I believe they are six or seven stories?)
I think the development looks good and does a decent job of making the setup look less 'strip mall'ish and more 'town village' like.
Quote from: dubguy82 on December 01, 2008, 06:18:14 AM
What is Jacksonville preserving by not going verticle?
Not much. I think it ultimately has more to do with there being a large supply of cheap land making horizontal construction more feasible.
It's ceaper to build horizontal outside of the city, rather than vertical in the city. that's it.
rest assured that if the costs were switched then you'd see vertical building...
I drive by Tapestry everyday. I must admit that I am pretty impressed with what I see. I wish there was direct access from Southside Blvd though. I think that will hurt some of the retail. I always look forward to new restaurants and they have a few.
Quote from: thelakelander on December 01, 2008, 10:07:18 AM
Quote from: dubguy82 on December 01, 2008, 06:18:14 AM
What is Jacksonville preserving by not going verticle?
Not much. I think it ultimately has more to do with there being a large supply of cheap land making horizontal construction more feasible.
It's like here in Dublin - they let the city sprawl out as far as possible then decided to infill. There are some great places here - try looking up where I live in Smithfield Market that used to be a horse market/Jameson Distillery and they put in a ton of apartments over retail and made a giant cobblestone square. It is a great way to rework a space
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smithfield,_Dublin
http://www.roadtoireland.eu/Ireland_Dublin_Smithfield.html
Quote from: dubguy82 on December 01, 2008, 08:58:32 AM
They could have gone up a few more stories as BCBS has already set a precedent of having taller buildings (I believe they are six or seven stories?)
I think the development looks good and does a decent job of making the setup look less 'strip mall'ish and more 'town village' like.
Blue Cross Blue Shield buildings are eight stories in height.
Quote from: dubguy82 on December 01, 2008, 06:18:14 AM
I lived in Jax for three years and now living in Dublin, Ireland going on two years and it is the same here but for different reasons. There is a ban to build above six stories to preserve the architecture of the old Georgian homes. You see some buildings getting approval for 15 stories (U2 is building a highrise in city centre but it is few and far between). Now with all of the bans on going verticle, people are having to commute an hour and a half each way to get to work.
Preserving the view of the stiffey by the liffey?
Why'd you go to Dublin? Are you originally from the area? Two of my best friends from UF, one living across the street from me in Jax, are now in Dublin for Grad School (they're engaged). They love it...and I hope to visit sometime in the next year.
Quote from: civil42806 on December 01, 2008, 06:25:56 AM
Is there a "vertical" limitation in the city, wasn't aware of it. Certainly in the burbs you would want to limit a huge building, see the vystar monstrosity on blanding, but other than the beach wasn't aware of one.
Just my personal view but I do not see what is wrong with the Vystar building on Blanding. That part of town could use more new buildings and the economic impact they bring. It beats the heck out of concrete block buildings painted tan or light grey and hand painted business signs.
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on December 01, 2008, 01:27:02 PM
Quote from: dubguy82 on December 01, 2008, 06:18:14 AM
I lived in Jax for three years and now living in Dublin, Ireland going on two years and it is the same here but for different reasons. There is a ban to build above six stories to preserve the architecture of the old Georgian homes. You see some buildings getting approval for 15 stories (U2 is building a highrise in city centre but it is few and far between). Now with all of the bans on going verticle, people are having to commute an hour and a half each way to get to work.
Preserving the view of the stiffey by the liffey?
Why'd you go to Dublin? Are you originally from the area? Two of my best friends from UF, one living across the street from me in Jax, are now in Dublin for Grad School (they're engaged). They love it...and I hope to visit sometime in the next year.
I am from NY and besides college at Penn State, lived in NY (in the burbs hour outside of the city) my whole life then went to Jacksonville for three years and now in Dublin.
If you think things are difficult in Jax to build, in Dublin it is incredibly difficult. Planning permission can take years (I know people who go through a year of planning permission to build a small extension on the back of their house). Architects are fed up with the system as the people who sit on the planning board, not one of them has an architectural degree nor had done anything in building/architecture. So you have a lot of four-five story buildings that look like cheap Scan Design buildings. Glass blocks, wood and that is about as creative as it gets.
Glad your friends are enjoying it here - I am as well. Unfortunately I work in finance so I am not too sure how much longer I will be here. Luckily my green card/working permit is being renewed on an indefinite basis so if I have to go, I can always come back later without any hassle.
Minimal consideration for pedestrian activities.
Next time, build everything off a WALKABLE INTERSECTION instead of just a small, one way street.
Quote from: GatorDone on December 01, 2008, 10:48:46 PM
Quote from: civil42806 on December 01, 2008, 06:25:56 AM
Is there a "vertical" limitation in the city, wasn't aware of it. Certainly in the burbs you would want to limit a huge building, see the vystar monstrosity on blanding, but other than the beach wasn't aware of one.
Just my personal view but I do not see what is wrong with the Vystar building on Blanding. That part of town could use more new buildings and the economic impact they bring. It beats the heck out of concrete block buildings painted tan or light grey and hand painted business signs.
I don't care for it, a huge building dominating everything around it, surrounded by a huge parking lot, with no landscaping. Take a look at there old head quarters at the corner of wesconnet and blanding, not the prettiest of areas, but the building blended in better and at least there were some trees.
Quote from: dubguy82 on December 02, 2008, 05:10:29 AM
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on December 01, 2008, 01:27:02 PM
Quote from: dubguy82 on December 01, 2008, 06:18:14 AM
I lived in Jax for three years and now living in Dublin, Ireland going on two years and it is the same here but for different reasons. There is a ban to build above six stories to preserve the architecture of the old Georgian homes. You see some buildings getting approval for 15 stories (U2 is building a highrise in city centre but it is few and far between). Now with all of the bans on going verticle, people are having to commute an hour and a half each way to get to work.
Preserving the view of the stiffey by the liffey?
Why'd you go to Dublin? Are you originally from the area? Two of my best friends from UF, one living across the street from me in Jax, are now in Dublin for Grad School (they're engaged). They love it...and I hope to visit sometime in the next year.
I am from NY and besides college at Penn State, lived in NY (in the burbs hour outside of the city) my whole life then went to Jacksonville for three years and now in Dublin.
If you think things are difficult in Jax to build, in Dublin it is incredibly difficult. Planning permission can take years (I know people who go through a year of planning permission to build a small extension on the back of their house). Architects are fed up with the system as the people who sit on the planning board, not one of them has an architectural degree nor had done anything in building/architecture. So you have a lot of four-five story buildings that look like cheap Scan Design buildings. Glass blocks, wood and that is about as creative as it gets.
Glad your friends are enjoying it here - I am as well. Unfortunately I work in finance so I am not too sure how much longer I will be here. Luckily my green card/working permit is being renewed on an indefinite basis so if I have to go, I can always come back later without any hassle.
I never completely understood why, but supposedly four/five story buildings are the most conducive to walkable environments.
Anyway, I can't wait to visit...most likely next winter (tentative wedding date)...and in case you never saw it, there's a special feature on Dublin in the Learning From section of this site.
As someone who used to work for them, last long as they stay headquartered on the westside the city would have let them build the Empire State building. But they are only keeping it there while moving major departments (call center) out to Fleming Island.