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Title: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: thelakelander on December 27, 2023, 10:15:32 AM
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Jacksonville's entry into the federal rail corridor program is a chance for the city to seize a role in its transportation future. Local leaders must step up to deliver on this longtime goal – will they get on board?

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Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: Captain Zissou on December 27, 2023, 12:43:16 PM
BuT wHaT aBoUt ThE U2C?

I hate to be a negative nancy, but this sounds too logical for the city to actually get behind it. Jacksonville needs to be all over this.  We can only widen 95 so much to combat traffic.  We need alternative methods of moving people to and through our city. This would be a fantastic alternative.  Great research, Marcus.
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: marcuscnelson on December 27, 2023, 02:31:13 PM
It happened after the article went out, but last week Stuart (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24234784-2023-12-20_mc-brightline-rfp-response) and Fort Pierce (https://cityoffortpierce.com/1104/Brightline-Fort-Pierce) submitted their bids to Brightline of proposals for an infill station on the Treasure Coast. Obviously there's no RFP for North Florida yet, but this is exactly the kind of commitment we have to be showing to rail stations here. Identifying the sites (we really already know this!), laying out the future land uses and transportation connections, demonstrating the public support, and indicating funding or the plans to secure it.

FDOT at least claims to know they can only widen I-95 so much (they're currently insisting that this billion dollar round they're preparing to start is the last expansion planned), but that's money they don't seem to want used for alternatives. Nonetheless, as I've said, this is all about whether leadership in this city wants to take advantage of this opportunity or let FDOT spend time playing around with the FRA until the feds move on.
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: thelakelander on December 27, 2023, 07:32:35 PM
Quote from: marcuscnelson on December 27, 2023, 02:31:13 PM
It happened after the article went out, but last week Stuart (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24234784-2023-12-20_mc-brightline-rfp-response) and Fort Pierce (https://cityoffortpierce.com/1104/Brightline-Fort-Pierce) submitted their bids to Brightline of proposals for an infill station on the Treasure Coast. Obviously there's no RFP for North Florida yet, but this is exactly the kind of commitment we have to be showing to rail stations here. Identifying the sites (we really already know this!), laying out the future land uses and transportation connections, demonstrating the public support, and indicating funding or the plans to secure it.

Bingo. Can't wait for FDOT to lead. Running and planning transit for local communities isn't their core purpose. They can support, but they aren't going to lead. The local communities have to put their money where their mouths are at. When that comes to things like train stations, commuter rail and intercity rail, local transit agencies aren't necessarily the lead on those either. Lakeland wasn't led by the Citrus Connection when they relocated their Amtrak Station back to downtown. LYNX wasn't the lead or local funding mechanism for SunRail. These successful projects were led by the local municipal and county governments. The path to the proper process is there. All the City of Jacksonville needs to do is follow it.
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: jaxlongtimer on December 27, 2023, 09:52:25 PM
I would be concerned that the emphasis on the U2C is not only a fiasco but will also take away from our chances of funding regional mass transit such as rail.  If I were a funder, I would not be interested in seeing both projects go forward... just one or the other.  Unfortunately, once again, it seems Jax is chasing the wrong pot of gold.  I would suggest this is also the legacy of the Skyway over the last 30 years.. a distraction from what we really should be focusing on.  Its curse continues in berthing the U2C plan and is why we should just kill it once and for all so we are free to focus on what is truly the better way to go.
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: thelakelander on December 27, 2023, 10:12:45 PM
That (the U2C) is a big concern of mine for future local and regional mass transit projects, as well as JTA's ability to operate something like commuter rail.

Intercity rail is a bit of a different animal, where potential partnerships with other experienced operators may be feasible in spite of. With returning Amtrak back to the Prime Osborn, one could argue that JTA has already done its job with the opening of the JRTC, which brings all local modes of mass transit within walking distance of potential rail platforms.

Going back to the Lakeland example, that city didn't need a new rail system or tons of federal grant money to relocate its downtown Amtrak station. Intercity rail was already an existing service.
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: Charles Hunter on December 27, 2023, 11:00:43 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on December 27, 2023, 10:12:45 PM


Intercity rail is a bit of a different animal, where potential partnerships with other experienced operators may be feasible in spite of. With returning Amtrak back to the Prime Osborn, one could argue that JTA has already done its job with the opening of the JRTC, which brings all local modes of mass transit within walking distance of potential rail platforms.



When is this happening? All I've seen are studies and proposals for the track and signal work needed to get trains back to the Prime.
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: thelakelander on December 28, 2023, 12:11:34 AM
Nothing happening at this point. Locally, we haven't necessarily made the investments to move forward. That track and signal work need to be done before we can have a serious conversation about Amtrak coming back.
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: Charles Hunter on December 28, 2023, 07:57:28 AM
Ah, thanks for the clarification. I read "With returning Amtrak back to the Prime Osborn, one could argue that JTA has already done the job of opening the JRTC" as either "done" or "committed" instead of aspirational. Perhaps that would be a better expenditure of local funds than the U2C.
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: thelakelander on December 28, 2023, 08:36:58 AM
^It would 100% be a better use of local funds than the U2C. It would be significantly cheaper and serve a greater cross section of the regional population, while strengthening downtown's intercity statewide accessibility and feasibility for future increased intercity (and potentially commuter) rail services. Now this is where the U2C does negatively impact the timeline of projects like this. Quite frankly, if bringing Amtrak back downtown were as big of a local priority as the U2C, it would have happened 10 years ago.
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: marcuscnelson on December 28, 2023, 07:09:45 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on December 27, 2023, 07:32:35 PM
Quote from: marcuscnelson on December 27, 2023, 02:31:13 PM
It happened after the article went out, but last week Stuart (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24234784-2023-12-20_mc-brightline-rfp-response) and Fort Pierce (https://cityoffortpierce.com/1104/Brightline-Fort-Pierce) submitted their bids to Brightline of proposals for an infill station on the Treasure Coast. Obviously there's no RFP for North Florida yet, but this is exactly the kind of commitment we have to be showing to rail stations here. Identifying the sites (we really already know this!), laying out the future land uses and transportation connections, demonstrating the public support, and indicating funding or the plans to secure it.

Bingo. Can't wait for FDOT to lead. Running and planning transit for local communities isn't their core purpose. They can support, but they aren't going to lead. The local communities have to put their money where their mouths are at. When that comes to things like train stations, commuter rail and intercity rail, local transit agencies aren't necessarily the lead on those either. Lakeland wasn't led by the Citrus Connection when they relocated their Amtrak Station back to downtown. LYNX wasn't the lead or local funding mechanism for SunRail. These successful projects were led by the local municipal and county governments. The path to the proper process is there. All the City of Jacksonville needs to do is follow it.

Brightline helpfully made their RFP publicly available (https://www.gobrightline.com/press-room/2023/brightline-announces-process-to-select-a-treasure-coast-station/brightline-trains-florida-rfp-treasure-coast-station-location), so between that and the proposals we know exactly what they're looking for.

The City owns the Prime Osborn site. JTA owns the Avenues Walk site (for a long-term infill station). The developer of the site on King Street in St. Augustine is basically begging for the opportunity if it's at all tangible.

FDOT estimated (https://fdotwww.blob.core.windows.net/sitefinity/docs/default-source/rail/plans/rail/rail-corridor-assessment/fdot_passenger_rail_corridor_assessment_report.pdf?sfvrsn=4c7938d2_4) that 5.3 million people a year would ride hourly trains between Jacksonville and Miami. The puzzle pieces are all here to put together.
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: thelakelander on December 28, 2023, 08:21:29 PM
The key here with the Prime Osborn is for COJ to not give up the property to UF or anyone else with a grand idea there. It's perfect for a train station.....because it was built to be one!
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: Ken_FSU on December 29, 2023, 10:27:18 AM
Quote from: marcuscnelson on December 27, 2023, 02:31:13 PM
It happened after the article went out, but last week Stuart (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24234784-2023-12-20_mc-brightline-rfp-response) and Fort Pierce (https://cityoffortpierce.com/1104/Brightline-Fort-Pierce) submitted their bids to Brightline of proposals for an infill station on the Treasure Coast. Obviously there's no RFP for North Florida yet, but this is exactly the kind of commitment we have to be showing to rail stations here. Identifying the sites (we really already know this!), laying out the future land uses and transportation connections, demonstrating the public support, and indicating funding or the plans to secure it.

Preach!!!

Really fantastic stuff, Marcus.

Shared out with like two dozen people.
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: CityLife on December 29, 2023, 11:53:44 AM
I've posted this before, but Brightline's Treasure Coast situation is unique. Indian River County (Vero Beach) and Martin County (Stuart) each had multi-million dollar lawsuits against Brightline that were ultimately settled, with terms that required Brightline to make enhanced safety improvements to at grade crossings and construct a station in Martin or St. Lucie County (Ft. Pierce) in the next few years. Ft. Pierce is widely considered the favorite because they are a lot more pro development, and Brightline is part real estate development company/part rail operator. The station there will be more like Boca, with stops every 2 hours or more, not every hour like the rest of the main stops.

It has been widely speculated that there will also be a stop somewhere in Brevard County. Like Boca, Treasure Coast, and Aventura; this is an easy stop for Brightline to add. It's right along the existing corridor and is a relatively cheap investment. If Brightline is successful long term, we will probably see several stops like this added, imo.

Jacksonville on the other hand, is a VERY expensive expansion for Brightline. The cost to retrofit the existing rail line is high and there is a lot of political maneuvering that has to happen in every county the expansion goes through (due to safety, noise, and traffic concerns). Jacksonville, St. Johns County, and Volusia County should have formed a task force five or more years ago to work towards getting Brightline to expand north. It will probably take a combination of federal, state, and local dollars to get Brightline to extend to North Florida, but Jacksonville also REALLY needs to stick the landing on it's park projects and downtown redevelopment. As it currently stands, there is virtually zero percent reason for anyone along the current Brightline path to take a train to Downtown Jacksonville. St. Augustine is appealing, but Downtown Jacksonville is widely thought of as a ghost town. That needs to change. It doesn't mean BS reports and marketing from the Downtown cheerleaders. It means results.

Task Force Tasks:

1. Identify locations for stations, as well as adjacent infill/TOD opportunities
2. Work with Brightline to determine expansion costs. Then identify and secure funding sources that will make it cost effective for Brightline to expand north.
3. Push local municipalities (i.e. Jax) to make necessary improvements that would make each station a viable location to visit
4. Work on identifying multi-modal transportation offerings from each proposed stop
5. Ensure there will be political support from various counties and municipalities that the expansion will go through
6. Find and identify local leaders/champions that will push the public and local leaders to support expansion
7. Reallocate all funding, staff time, and local resources away from the U2C to Brightline (should have been done years ago)
8. ?


Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: marcuscnelson on December 29, 2023, 02:54:52 PM
^ As I mention in the article, FDOT themselves both acknowledges the challenge of a North Florida expansion for Brightline and indicates a willingness to provide capital (not operating) support for making it happen. We already see with the stations in Miami, Aventura, Boca Raton, Orlando, and now the Treasure Coast and likely any future stations in Brevard County or North Florida that public partnership is part of that formula. Of course it would have been ideal to say what's being said now five years ago but what's done is done there, what we have is what's now.

Quote from: CityLife on December 29, 2023, 11:53:44 AM
Task Force Tasks:

1. Identify locations for stations, as well as adjacent infill/TOD opportunities One of the few benefits of JTA's millions spent on studies is that between Jacksonville, Avenues Walk (later), and St. Augustine, this has already been determined. The question is really of Daytona Beach, but even then we know a station would likely be adjacent to International Speedway Boulevard, so they just need to pick exactly where.
2. Work with Brightline to determine expansion costs. Then identify and secure funding sources that will make it cost effective for Brightline to expand north. The great news is that Corridor ID now means we have access to 80-90% federal funding to do exactly this.
3. Push local municipalities (i.e. Jax) to make necessary improvements that would make each station a viable location to visit This is probably easier to do now than it would have been five years ago! St. Augustine has already made a TOD (MOD) category, and we have multiple studies about the JRTC. The harder part is things like the future of the Prime Osborn and our overall commitment to improving Downtown, which again is more likely to be addressed now than it would have been before.
4. Work on identifying multi-modal transportation offerings from each proposed stop Basically all identified station sites either are, will be, or are adjacent to mobility hubs.
5. Ensure there will be political support from various counties and municipalities that the expansion will go through Once again, more likely now than would have been before.
6. Find and identify local leaders/champions that will push the public and local leaders to support expansion Isn't this where we come in?  8)
7. Reallocate all funding, staff time, and local resources away from the U2C to Brightline (should have been done years ago) I hate to say it, but I'm not sure this happens unless city leaders are ready to both ask Nat Ford to leave and commit to cleaning up the mess that the U2C has become. This probably has to happen, but it's a question of political will that I don't think many have grappled with yet. The board certainly doesn't seem ready now.
8. ? I'll answer. Using Corridor ID, complete the Service Development Plan, conduct the Environmental Assessment and get a Finding of No Significant Impact, receive a Federal-State Partnership grant for our inventory of projects, have Brightline construct the facilities, track, and signal systems, order new trains, and start service.
9. Profit!  ;D
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: thelakelander on December 29, 2023, 06:46:00 PM
1. I haven't kept track, but Daytona had a site picked out for the Amtrak Flagler Line station a decade ago. It's an old lumber mill site just south of ISB, just east of US 1 in Downtown. I worked on a FDOT study back then that used ISB as a local east/west transit spine that connected the colleges, malls, racetrack, downtown and the beach. They too are interested in Brightline for obvious reasons. Without a doubt, it will be at or near ISB if something comes to fruition in the future. It makes too much sense for them.

3./5. A line to Jax is probably only going to include Jax, St. Augustine, Palm Coast (maybe) and Daytona as potential initial stops. There's no Treasure Coast atmosphere north of Brevard. Definitely see more support in the larger, tourism oriented counties north of Cocoa for the return of intercity rail regardless of if its Brightline or Amtrak on the FEC.

7. Intercity rail and the U2C are two different animals and how they are/can be funded and operated are different as well. The Skyway (if upgraded and operated right) would be a benefit for intercity rail, not a negative. It provides local mass transit connectivity from a potential intercity rail terminal.

8. Will be interesting to see what the result of the Corridor ID work is and what the cost for a Jax intercity passenger rail service will be. Once that's out, the options for next steps will be more apparent.





Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: jaxlore on January 03, 2024, 09:01:07 AM
Unfortunately, we don't have a good ally in the state senate, Tracie Davis said Jacksonville is not ready yet based on some unknown railway expert opinion, if that is the case what are we doing to get ready?
https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/local/state-senator-tracie-davis-to-become-minority-leader-of-state-senate-in-2026/77-7b406339-6aed-420b-b827-cc410fbe7ba9
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: Charles Hunter on January 03, 2024, 09:27:35 AM
Her "railway expert" is probably someone at JTA.

Just a note about the North Florida TPO's 2050 Long Range Transportation Plan, which is in the early stages. The draft "Needs Plan" - a list of just about every conceivable transportation project between now and 2050 (to be winnowed down once project costs are balanced against expected revenues), includes 13 BRT projects and 3 Commuter Rail projects - to Orange Park, St. Augustine, and Yulee. Nothing for "bringing Amtrak back to the Prime" or intercity rail.
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: thelakelander on January 03, 2024, 09:38:32 AM
Easy planning solution here. The next stop is Tampa. It's always been. We're a good five years out from a train actually pulling into Tampa. So, in the meantime, we should be building the infrastructure necessary to make the terminal viable. And if it's not Brightline, this works for Amtrak too.
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: Captain Zissou on January 03, 2024, 10:08:55 AM
I was at north florida TPO a couple months ago and I asked if they have any rail projects in the pipeline over the next 10 years.  He immediately shut it down.  He said that they are focused on addressing traffic needs across the city first.  As if an alternative to car based commuting won't reduce traffic.
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: thelakelander on January 03, 2024, 10:20:17 AM
So the U2C isn't in the TPO plan? Hmmm that's not a traffic "need."
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: Jax_Developer on January 03, 2024, 10:34:02 AM
I don't understand why she would even make that comment. Seems as though that comment could very easily cause more harm than good.

Why not say "It would be great for Jacksonville to be served by rail, and we are working through what that takes." Instead, I feel like she just set us back. Not sure if her comments will hold any real weight but I imagine they do when speaking on one's own district.

Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: thelakelander on January 03, 2024, 10:49:52 AM
I don't think her comments hold any weight. She's not a rail expert. She was just provided a half truth of information and shared what was said to her. Ultimately, it doesn't change a thing. Jax isn't the next area of focus (Tampa clearly is and has been for years) and we do need to upgrade the rail infrastructure around the terminal. No different than having to removal the Hart Bridge ramp to facilitate new development opportunities around the stadium. So if we need some state money for the infrastructure enhancements (which also helps move freight statewide and clear up San Marco rail congestion issues), she's likely a big supporter.
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: marcuscnelson on January 03, 2024, 02:03:55 PM
Quote from: Charles Hunter on January 03, 2024, 09:27:35 AM
Just a note about the North Florida TPO's 2050 Long Range Transportation Plan, which is in the early stages. The draft "Needs Plan" - a list of just about every conceivable transportation project between now and 2050 (to be winnowed down once project costs are balanced against expected revenues), includes 13 BRT projects and 3 Commuter Rail projects - to Orange Park, St. Augustine, and Yulee. Nothing for "bringing Amtrak back to the Prime" or intercity rail.

There's no local official who has decided to put anything on the map yet, and it's not really Tracie Davis' job to be the one to do it. The transit projects are just what JTA listed back in 2019, which given the performance of the Flyer seems like a bad investment frankly. They're too slow, too infrequent (compared to what the feds were promised), don't encourage development around them, and don't seem to be what the agency wants to focus on anyway.

If Fort Pierce and Stuart can figure out how to support a Brightline station, of course the largest city in the state can. But it has to be taken seriously, which we've never really done before.

Quote from: Captain Zissou on January 03, 2024, 10:08:55 AM
I was at north florida TPO a couple months ago and I asked if they have any rail projects in the pipeline over the next 10 years.  He immediately shut it down.  He said that they are focused on addressing traffic needs across the city first.  As if an alternative to car based commuting won't reduce traffic.

I've met Sheffield before. Smart guy, just pessimistic about our region's ability to reduce car dependence, and not willing to lead on it himself. Nat Ford has monopolized all conversations about anything that isn't highways which has left too much deference for a guy who doesn't even believe in regular buses as a solution, much less actually building rail.

Official support for rail is ultimately a political problem, particularly a local political problem. At the end of the day, people who run agencies like JTA and TPO are employees whose directives can be determined by political mandate if politicians ever decide what they actually want. That means City Council deciding it actually wants rail to reach Jacksonville and asking its appointees to the boards of JTA and TPO to reflect that intent. Miami had to decide it wanted to do the SMART Plan, Broward had to decide it wanted its PREMO Plan. Like I said in the article, you need leaders to lead for this stuff to happen.

Brightline loves hosting delegations (they had one from Tampa and the Secretary of Transportation not long ago), maybe the Chamber can try a trip down to West Palm Beach instead of London this year.

Quote from: thelakelander on January 03, 2024, 10:20:17 AM
So the U2C isn't in the TPO plan? Hmmm that's not a traffic "need."

Of course it is, we've deferred all transit matters in this city to JTA and Nat Ford wants it in there so it's in there.

I would like to see what's in the new Needs Plan if it's available.
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: Charles Hunter on January 03, 2024, 03:18:01 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on January 03, 2024, 10:20:17 AM
So the U2C isn't in the TPO plan? Hmmm that's not a traffic "need."

The U2C projects from the Draft Needs Plan

Central - Brooklyn/Five Points - 2026-2030
Central - Springfield - 2026-2030
Kings Avenue - San Marco - 2026-2030

The columns are "From" and "To" and the Projected Implementation Period
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: marcuscnelson on March 31, 2024, 09:24:43 PM
Speaking of funding, the Notice of Funding Opportunity (https://railroads.dot.gov/about-fra/communications/newsroom/press-releases/fra-makes-more-24-billion-crisi-grant-funding-0) (NOFO) for this year's Consolidated Rail Infrastructure and Safety Improvements (CRISI) Program grants came out last week. $2.4 billion in federal funding is up for grabs.

If the city were ready for it, this program would be ideal for funding projects like a new intercity (and future regional) rail station at the JRTC, infrastructure along the FEC or CSX lines like safety improvements and bridge refurbishments that would expand capacity for passenger trains, or even constructing infill stations and maintenance facilities. It doesn't seem like there's a local plan lined up that would be ready to leverage this funding, which is exactly the risk I talk about in this article. That's a lot of money that could pass us by if we let it.
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: Tacachale on March 31, 2024, 11:42:50 PM
One issue we've had is there are a lot of silos among orgs with stake in projects like this. I can tell you that's something we're working on.
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: marcuscnelson on April 01, 2024, 12:08:43 AM
That's encouraging to hear! The clock's ticking on this grant (applications due May 28) so hopefully those walls are coming down.
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: Jrz Jax on October 02, 2024, 04:05:50 PM
Another $1 billion in grant funding in the existing Intercity Passenger Rail Program is now available. The notice of funding opportunity has an application deadline of Dec. 16, 2024. Hopefully they can get some of this rail stimmy to pull trains off the paper and onto the tracks. (Why do I feel that it would just go to more studies and artist renderings?)

https://www.transportation.gov/briefing-room/investing-america-biden-harris-administration-makes-more-1-billion-additional-funding
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: thelakelander on October 02, 2024, 05:44:26 PM
Unfortunately, to get construction money, you need to have something on paper you can build. We don't have anything outside of the U2C nonsense which still doesn't work in the manner that it's been sold to this community.
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: thelakelander on October 02, 2024, 05:49:58 PM
Our best bet is Amtrak applying for something that upgrades their intercity service in Florida but I doubt that happens without state participation.
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: marcuscnelson on October 02, 2024, 08:25:12 PM
There are multiple levers that could eventually be pulled in an FSP application (the recent grant award to work on city capacity for station development, Corridor ID) but they have to be pulled. Yet to be seen if this city really has the gumption to lead on that.
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: thelakelander on October 02, 2024, 09:50:47 PM
^Where it makes sense, I believe the mayors office is willing to pursue for intercity rail. With that in mind, St. Johns/St. Augustine, Clay County, etc. could also apply for similar work within their boundaries.
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: Tacachale on October 03, 2024, 12:13:23 AM
Quote from: marcuscnelson on October 02, 2024, 08:25:12 PM
There are multiple levers that could eventually be pulled in an FSP application (the recent grant award to work on city capacity for station development, Corridor ID) but they have to be pulled. Yet to be seen if this city really has the gumption to lead on that.

What I can say here is that this administration is absolutely taking the lead on that. But we aren't going to get ahead of ourselves or over-promise. The biggest issue we've had so far is that there are a lot of moving pieces and stakeholders involved in this, but haven't been able to pull it all together. The capacity grant is a big step that fills the first big gap, which is that we've never had anyone who can be devoted to wrangling all the different things necessary to deliver. The grant allows us to hire those folks and keep things rolling over time. And yes, we absolutely will be pursuing grant and loan opportunities to help with the funding; our team has had great success so far building intergovernmental relationships and bringing dollars home.
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: marcuscnelson on October 28, 2024, 07:10:10 PM
A small update: per USDOT's most recently available Obligation Status Report (https://railroads.dot.gov/sites/fra.dot.gov/files/2024-10/20241009-CID-Obligation-Status-Report_PDFa.pdf), FDOT formally began some work last month on the first step of the Corridor ID award for the Jacksonville-Orlando-Miami corridor. Step 1 is the initial scoping process to prepare a larger Service Development Plan in Step 2. More on the overall process here (https://railroads.dot.gov/sites/fra.dot.gov/files/2023-11/2023%20CORT%20Corridor%20ID%20Briefing_101123_PDFa.pdf).
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: WAJAS on October 28, 2024, 09:34:50 PM
As someone who takes Amtrak in Florida pretty regularly, I would love more service!

The trains between Jacksonville, Tampa, and Miami are frequently near if not at capacity. The demand is there for a second silver star or silver meteor in Florida, but the trains are much emptier when crossing to Georgia. That would imply that an intercity service within Florida would be the right move. If only Florida had a government that was more interested in non-automobile transportation options.
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: Steve on October 29, 2024, 08:12:04 AM
Quote from: WAJAS on October 28, 2024, 09:34:50 PM
As someone who takes Amtrak in Florida pretty regularly, I would love more service!

The trains between Jacksonville, Tampa, and Miami are frequently near if not at capacity. The demand is there for a second silver star or silver meteor in Florida, but the trains are much emptier when crossing to Georgia. That would imply that an intercity service within Florida would be the right move. If only Florida had a government that was more interested in non-automobile transportation options.

The other matter is if the trains are intercity in Florida, the timing could be better. Right now the timing is rough.

Case in point - I work in Lakeland a lot. I looked at it, and going down to Lakeland would be fine - it's 4 hours, but not that much longer than driving, plus I could work. Coming back is terrible however and the timing would make no sense.
Title: Re: Rail funding is coming – is Jax paying attention?
Post by: marcuscnelson on October 29, 2024, 12:45:32 PM
Quote from: marcuscnelson on March 31, 2024, 09:24:43 PM
Speaking of funding, the Notice of Funding Opportunity (https://railroads.dot.gov/about-fra/communications/newsroom/press-releases/fra-makes-more-24-billion-crisi-grant-funding-0) (NOFO) for this year's Consolidated Rail Infrastructure and Safety Improvements (CRISI) Program grants came out last week. $2.4 billion in federal funding is up for grabs.

If the city were ready for it, this program would be ideal for funding projects like a new intercity (and future regional) rail station at the JRTC, infrastructure along the FEC or CSX lines like safety improvements and bridge refurbishments that would expand capacity for passenger trains, or even constructing infill stations and maintenance facilities. It doesn't seem like there's a local plan lined up that would be ready to leverage this funding, which is exactly the risk I talk about in this article. That's a lot of money that could pass us by if we let it.

These CRISI Program grants were just awarded (https://railroads.dot.gov/about-fra/communications/newsroom/press-releases/investing-america-biden-harris-administration-1).

I'm a little surprised to say that we're actually on it! It's not much, but it's something:

QuoteFlorida – Railroad Trespassing Enforcement Project (Up to $100,000)
City of Jacksonville
The proposed project was selected for trespass enforcement activities along track owned by CSX, Norfolk Southern, Florida East Coast Railroad, and St. Johns Terminal Railroad in Jacksonville, Florida. This project will deploy up to four law enforcement officers at identified hotspot locations to investigate and report trespassing-property checks at rail grade crossings and main rail yards, locate safety hazards on railroad property, provide referral services for citizens encountered, issue warnings and citations to trespassers, and educate people on the dangers of trespassing on railways. The project aligns with the selection criteria by enhancing safety as the project will reduce trespass-related incidents including injuries and fatalities. The City of Jacksonville will contribute the 20 percent non-Federal match. This project qualifies for the statutory set-aside for trespassing prevention measures.