Took five years to get them repaired after Irma.
So sad.
https://www.jacksonville.com/story/weather/hurricane/2023/08/30/hurricane-idalia-destroys-balustrades-at-jacksonvilles-memorial-park/70719995007/
Spend the damn money to get those balustrades back - money well spent. Let's hold city accountable to timeline. There has got to be a better way to install them to prevent them from lifting up and getting destroyed every time we have a storm event. I hate throwing around one of the most obnoxious buzzwords everyone is using now, but we should definitely be considering "resiliency" in the damn installation of these things.
Looking at pictures on the Times-Union site, I was surprised to see broken balustrades that didn't appear to be reinforced with rebar. Looked to just be poured cement or whatever. I would think using rebar would both strengthen the balustrades and could be used to securely tie them to the bulkhead below and railing above. Not sure that would solve all problems but I would think it might go a long way to raising the bar (no pun intended ;D) as to what it would take to knock them out.
Something is amiss. I get why they failed during Irma. But, prior to Irma those balustrades absorbed hits like yesterday MANY times and didn't fail.
Quote from: Steve on August 31, 2023, 08:54:59 AM
Something is amiss. I get why they failed during Irma. But, prior to Irma those balustrades absorbed hits like yesterday MANY times and didn't fail.
BINGO
Quote from: jaxlongtimer on August 31, 2023, 12:14:52 AM
Looking at pictures on the Times-Union site, I was surprised to see broken balustrades that didn't appear to be reinforced with rebar. Looked to just be poured cement or whatever. I would think using rebar would both strengthen the balustrades and could be used to securely tie them to the bulkhead below and railing above. Not sure that would solve all problems but I would think it might go a long way to raising the bar (no pun intended ;D) as to what it would take to knock them out.
I noticed the same thing. Seems like these things are just individual pieces of poured concrete resting on small footers with nothing really tying them in.
Quote from: Josh on August 31, 2023, 11:17:46 AM
Quote from: jaxlongtimer on August 31, 2023, 12:14:52 AM
Looking at pictures on the Times-Union site, I was surprised to see broken balustrades that didn't appear to be reinforced with rebar. Looked to just be poured cement or whatever. I would think using rebar would both strengthen the balustrades and could be used to securely tie them to the bulkhead below and railing above. Not sure that would solve all problems but I would think it might go a long way to raising the bar (no pun intended ;D) as to what it would take to knock them out.
I noticed the same thing. Seems like these things are just individual pieces of poured concrete resting on small footers with nothing really tying them in.
Crazy Right? Looks like literally 0 rebar from the images lol.
Quote from: jaxlongtimer on August 31, 2023, 12:14:52 AM
Looking at pictures on the Times-Union site, I was surprised to see broken balustrades that didn't appear to be reinforced with rebar. Looked to just be poured cement or whatever. I would think using rebar would both strengthen the balustrades and could be used to securely tie them to the bulkhead below and railing above. Not sure that would solve all problems but I would think it might go a long way to raising the bar (no pun intended ;D) as to what it would take to knock them out.
If I remember correctly, this was intentional - such that pieces could break off and easily be replaced. Hope I'm right...and let's see how long it takes.
Last time I lean on that wall.
Quote from: tufsu1 on August 31, 2023, 11:57:23 AM
Quote from: jaxlongtimer on August 31, 2023, 12:14:52 AM
Looking at pictures on the Times-Union site, I was surprised to see broken balustrades that didn't appear to be reinforced with rebar. Looked to just be poured cement or whatever. I would think using rebar would both strengthen the balustrades and could be used to securely tie them to the bulkhead below and railing above. Not sure that would solve all problems but I would think it might go a long way to raising the bar (no pun intended ;D) as to what it would take to knock them out.
If I remember correctly, this was intentional - such that pieces could break off and easily be replaced. Hope I'm right...and let's see how long it takes.
That's interesting. I'm cool with the idea as long as its cheap!
Quote from: Jax_Developer on August 31, 2023, 01:47:04 PM
Quote from: tufsu1 on August 31, 2023, 11:57:23 AM
Quote from: jaxlongtimer on August 31, 2023, 12:14:52 AM
Looking at pictures on the Times-Union site, I was surprised to see broken balustrades that didn't appear to be reinforced with rebar. Looked to just be poured cement or whatever. I would think using rebar would both strengthen the balustrades and could be used to securely tie them to the bulkhead below and railing above. Not sure that would solve all problems but I would think it might go a long way to raising the bar (no pun intended ;D) as to what it would take to knock them out.
If I remember correctly, this was intentional - such that pieces could break off and easily be replaced. Hope I'm right...and let's see how long it takes.
That's interesting. I'm cool with the idea as long as its cheap!
Lol... I'm sure we will find out in 5 short years... ::) :o
Give the place a break.
Ok- the latest construction fell down.
That's what can happen.
I wonder what the cost will be?
City response noted here week by week request?
What does the City involvement entail??
Why not profile City response particulars here?
A couple of blocks away a parking garage collapsed.
Why even have a multiple story parking garage.... " Demand"?
Quote from: Florida Power And Light on September 16, 2023, 09:58:50 PM
Give the place a break.
Ok- the latest construction fell down.
That's what can happen.
I wonder what the cost will be?
City response noted here week by week request?
What does the City involvement entail??
Why not profile City response particulars here?
A couple of blocks away a parking garage collapsed.
Why even have a multiple story parking garage.... " Demand"?
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Fallon Show.
That's what we get here.
Quote from: Ken_FSU on September 17, 2023, 11:07:47 AM
Quote from: Florida Power And Light on September 16, 2023, 09:58:50 PM
Give the place a break.
Ok- the latest construction fell down.
That's what can happen.
I wonder what the cost will be?
City response noted here week by week request?
What does the City involvement entail??
Why not profile City response particulars here?
A couple of blocks away a parking garage collapsed.
Why even have a multiple story parking garage.... " Demand"?
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Hahaha
QuoteIt's too soon to know whether the Idalia repairs will be completed by the 100th anniversary of the park's opening on Christmas Day 2024.
https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/disaster/2023/09/22/jacksonvilles-memorial-park-damaged-during-hurricane-idalia/70826698007/
Yesterday I Went There.
Public Safety In Place. Plastic things.... A Wall. No fall over.
Today I was out there .... Far off shore. ( Alert!... from a boat....)
I took binoculars and looked to the shore.
I have watched this shore for thirty years.
I scanned the area for distressed swimmers. Nothing noted.