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A two decade wait for a Publix anchored shopping center to open in San Marco is nearly over.
Read More: https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/shoppes-at-east-marco-publix-takes-shape/
I thought this was supposed to have residential above the shopping? What the heck happened? Why is a historic neighborhood getting a generic shopping center that looks copy pasted? NIMBY's?
Quote from: jaxjaguar on July 20, 2022, 12:23:27 PM
I thought this was supposed to have residential above the shopping? What the heck happened? Why is a historic neighborhood getting a generic shopping center that looks copy pasted? NIMBY's?
The residential was nixed like 5 years ago.
One part of this project that seems to have been poorly communicated is the restriping of Atlantic along that stretch. A few weeks ago, without any warning or much signage, they restriped it so that the westbound left lane becomes left turn only at Mango Pl. Everyone just drives right over the striping like it's not there though. Not sure why it was really necessary to begin with but it's definitely causing confusion and seems like it's going to be a bigtime bottleneck as a lot (the majority?) of the traffic westbound on Atlantics turns south onto Hendricks.
They have also installed a few crosswalks in that area. Not sure if they will be the lighted kind or not though.
What's with all the extra parking behind Wells Fargo?
What's up with the Matthew's Restaurant building next door? Remodel? Closed? Can't really tell driving by.
Quote from: jaxlongtimer on July 20, 2022, 06:00:23 PM
What's up with the Matthew's Restaurant building next door? Remodel? Closed? Can't really tell driving by.
Facade update from what I can tell.
Quote from: acme54321 on July 20, 2022, 12:27:55 PM
Quote from: jaxjaguar on July 20, 2022, 12:23:27 PM
I thought this was supposed to have residential above the shopping? What the heck happened? Why is a historic neighborhood getting a generic shopping center that looks copy pasted? NIMBY's?
The residential was nixed like 5 years ago.
One part of this project that seems to have been poorly communicated is the restriping of Atlantic along that stretch. A few weeks ago, without any warning or much signage, they restriped it so that the westbound left lane becomes left turn only at Mango Pl. Everyone just drives right over the striping like it's not there though. Not sure why it was really necessary to begin with but it's definitely causing confusion and seems like it's going to be a bigtime bottleneck as a lot (the majority?) of the traffic westbound on Atlantics turns south onto Hendricks.
They have also installed a few crosswalks in that area. Not sure if they will be the lighted kind or not though.
This is going to be a major issue especially when the school year starts again.
Quote from: jcjohnpaint on July 20, 2022, 04:58:01 PM
What's with all the extra parking behind Wells Fargo?
It's for the shopping center. Between the Publix, adjacent retail and dining, those spaces will likely stay full.
Quote from: realestatejax on July 21, 2022, 07:10:59 AM
Quote from: acme54321 on July 20, 2022, 12:27:55 PM
Quote from: jaxjaguar on July 20, 2022, 12:23:27 PM
I thought this was supposed to have residential above the shopping? What the heck happened? Why is a historic neighborhood getting a generic shopping center that looks copy pasted? NIMBY's?
The residential was nixed like 5 years ago.
One part of this project that seems to have been poorly communicated is the restriping of Atlantic along that stretch. A few weeks ago, without any warning or much signage, they restriped it so that the westbound left lane becomes left turn only at Mango Pl. Everyone just drives right over the striping like it's not there though. Not sure why it was really necessary to begin with but it's definitely causing confusion and seems like it's going to be a bigtime bottleneck as a lot (the majority?) of the traffic westbound on Atlantics turns south onto Hendricks.
They have also installed a few crosswalks in that area. Not sure if they will be the lighted kind or not though.
This is going to be a major issue especially when the school year starts again.
8 feet of lane reduction will be a major issue for the less than two hours each day during the roughly 170 days a year in which school is in session?
Umm, ok.
As far as the intersection safety improvements are concerned, there was quite a bit of publicity surrounding these enhancements. I went to two public meetings that Councilwoman Cumber had hosted in conjunction with FDOT.
https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/2-million-dollar-safety-improvement-project-could-be-coming-san-marco-area/F2FWK2CPSRHJXNI7QHETYSQDVM/ (https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/2-million-dollar-safety-improvement-project-could-be-coming-san-marco-area/F2FWK2CPSRHJXNI7QHETYSQDVM/)
https://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2021/09/08/san-marco-square-hendricks-avenue.html (https://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2021/09/08/san-marco-square-hendricks-avenue.html)
https://residentnews.net/2021/10/01/town-hall-meeting-called-to-address-pedestrian-safety-concerns-alter-traffic-patterns/ (https://residentnews.net/2021/10/01/town-hall-meeting-called-to-address-pedestrian-safety-concerns-alter-traffic-patterns/)
Quote from: jcjohnpaint on July 20, 2022, 04:58:01 PM
What's with all the extra parking behind Wells Fargo?
These will be used for valet service for the full service restaurants after 5pm (when the branch is closed), as stipulated in the Publix lease.
Interesting that all the naysayers from years past are conspicuously silent now that the grand opening is imminent.
Could this space be better used and fit better into the neighborhood? Sure. Given the lease-rates the developer can command, the largely car oriented nature of San Marco and Jax, the parking requirements from publix, and the site available... should we have expected much better? No.
Quote from: fieldafm on July 21, 2022, 08:36:45 AM8 feet of lane reduction will be a major issue for the less than two hours each day during the roughly 170 days a year in which school is in session?
It could definitely be a major impact. The car line from Landon spills out onto Atlantic and they just sit there blocking the entire right lane where the road is now one lane. So either JSO is going to have to run the car line off or people are just going to drive over the now striped off portion of the left lane and JSO will have to ignore it. I imagine the latter is what's going to happen. It's going to be a total cluster in the beginning of August with the Publix opening and school starting until people start to figure it out, that's for sure.
Publix Grand opening August 11
First day of school is August 15
Really glad I don't have to drop off/pick up at Landon anymore.
That being said, most of the drop off happens before 8 15 am, not a lot of Publix traffic at that hour. There has been, historically, a pretty lengthy back up on Hendricks at that time (7 45 am...8 15 am). I guess we will see.
Moved to San Marco in 2011 and all it took was moving to Gainesville in 2022 for this to finally happen.
Quote from: acme54321 on July 21, 2022, 10:45:35 AM
Quote from: fieldafm on July 21, 2022, 08:36:45 AM8 feet of lane reduction will be a major issue for the less than two hours each day during the roughly 170 days a year in which school is in session?
It could definitely be a major impact. The car line from Landon spills out onto Atlantic and they just sit there blocking the entire right lane where the road is now one lane. So either JSO is going to have to run the car line off or people are just going to drive over the now striped off portion of the left lane and JSO will have to ignore it. I imagine the latter is what's going to happen. It's going to be a total cluster in the beginning of August with the Publix opening and school starting until people start to figure it out, that's for sure.
Line queuing on a state road is technically illegal, and there is a JSO officer (being paid overtime) on the road during those times (that is being paid) to keep traffic flowing correctly. So perhaps designing the road to reduce the conflicts between vehicles and pedestrians during the other 97% of the calendar year, is more important than the roughly 3% of the time during a year where there are cars lined up on the street for school pickup/dropoff- particularly with a JSO officer getting paid time and a half to direct traffic during those very limited times.
Parents also have the option of their middle schoolers walking/biking to school when bussing is not available (like I did in those 'old days' of the 80's/90's). The lane reductions and added crosswalks enhances the safety of those students walking/biking to school, as well.
Quote from: fieldafm on July 21, 2022, 08:36:45 AM
As far as the intersection safety improvements are concerned, there was quite a bit of publicity surrounding these enhancements. I went to two public meetings that Councilwoman Cumber had hosted in conjunction with FDOT.
https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/2-million-dollar-safety-improvement-project-could-be-coming-san-marco-area/F2FWK2CPSRHJXNI7QHETYSQDVM/ (https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/2-million-dollar-safety-improvement-project-could-be-coming-san-marco-area/F2FWK2CPSRHJXNI7QHETYSQDVM/)
https://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2021/09/08/san-marco-square-hendricks-avenue.html (https://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2021/09/08/san-marco-square-hendricks-avenue.html)
https://residentnews.net/2021/10/01/town-hall-meeting-called-to-address-pedestrian-safety-concerns-alter-traffic-patterns/ (https://residentnews.net/2021/10/01/town-hall-meeting-called-to-address-pedestrian-safety-concerns-alter-traffic-patterns/)
Are we even talking about the same thing? All of these links are about the Hendricks/San Marco Blvd intersection.
Quote from: acme54321 on July 21, 2022, 10:45:35 AM
Quote from: fieldafm on July 21, 2022, 08:36:45 AM8 feet of lane reduction will be a major issue for the less than two hours each day during the roughly 170 days a year in which school is in session?
It could definitely be a major impact. The car line from Landon spills out onto Atlantic and they just sit there blocking the entire right lane where the road is now one lane. So either JSO is going to have to run the car line off or people are just going to drive over the now striped off portion of the left lane and JSO will have to ignore it. I imagine the latter is what's going to happen. It's going to be a total cluster in the beginning of August with the Publix opening and school starting until people start to figure it out, that's for sure.
Lol...It's painted stripes and I assume most people who drive this area on a daily basis drive right over the stripes like myself.
Quote from: JPalmer on July 22, 2022, 01:34:31 PM
Quote from: acme54321 on July 21, 2022, 10:45:35 AM
Quote from: fieldafm on July 21, 2022, 08:36:45 AM8 feet of lane reduction will be a major issue for the less than two hours each day during the roughly 170 days a year in which school is in session?
It could definitely be a major impact. The car line from Landon spills out onto Atlantic and they just sit there blocking the entire right lane where the road is now one lane. So either JSO is going to have to run the car line off or people are just going to drive over the now striped off portion of the left lane and JSO will have to ignore it. I imagine the latter is what's going to happen. It's going to be a total cluster in the beginning of August with the Publix opening and school starting until people start to figure it out, that's for sure.
Lol...It's painted stripes and I assume most people who drive this area on a daily basis drive right over the stripes like myself.
Me too, which is fine until the day JSO sits out there and starts handing out tickets.
Quote from: acme54321 on July 22, 2022, 01:21:38 PM
Quote from: fieldafm on July 21, 2022, 08:36:45 AM
As far as the intersection safety improvements are concerned, there was quite a bit of publicity surrounding these enhancements. I went to two public meetings that Councilwoman Cumber had hosted in conjunction with FDOT.
https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/2-million-dollar-safety-improvement-project-could-be-coming-san-marco-area/F2FWK2CPSRHJXNI7QHETYSQDVM/ (https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/2-million-dollar-safety-improvement-project-could-be-coming-san-marco-area/F2FWK2CPSRHJXNI7QHETYSQDVM/)
https://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2021/09/08/san-marco-square-hendricks-avenue.html (https://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2021/09/08/san-marco-square-hendricks-avenue.html)
https://residentnews.net/2021/10/01/town-hall-meeting-called-to-address-pedestrian-safety-concerns-alter-traffic-patterns/ (https://residentnews.net/2021/10/01/town-hall-meeting-called-to-address-pedestrian-safety-concerns-alter-traffic-patterns/)
Are we even talking about the same thing? All of these links are about the Hendricks/San Marco Blvd intersection.
Yes. That intersection alone didn't cost $2mm. It also included lane restriping at the intersections of Atlantic/Hendricks (including the turn lane into East San Marco and the lane reductions at the intersection of Atlantic/Hendricks); installing beacon crosswalks (two) along Atlantic Blvd; and restriping the crosswalk at Alford/Hendricks.
A reminder, to those who will have to cross the infamous San Marco RR tracks; consider bringing a cooler and ice to keep perishables, refrigerated or frozen items until you get home. Some of those trains are very long and slow. I'll venture out after all the opening day mayhem.
Pigs are flying over the now open Publix. My wife went this morning and successfully came back with some random stuff we needed.
Any pedestrians get flattened?
Quote from: MusicMan on January 16, 2019, 09:14:18 AM
One thing I believe is not in dispute is that as things stand today, January 16 of 2019, the "Publix in San Marco" venture has been a failure.
Yes it "takes a long time" to put these deals together, but 10 years is extreme. And quite frankly, NO ONE BLOGGING HERE knows when if at all a Publix will eventually open on the site. I'm fairly certain the company behind the development, Regency, is not publicly owned, so there are no share holders asking questions and pushing for a resolution to the issue.
Looks like there has not been any horrific pedestrian accidents in the first 4 hours of being open, Musicman, but thanks for the keen insights. Looking through all of your past expert analysis on this project, here is my favorite. I think this is back when you were simping hard for Sanmarcomatt, so I'll forgive the arrogance of not bothering to google whether Regency was public or not.
Bravo Captain. You win again!
Post a list of all the other stuff built from 2006 (I believe the annoucement of this project) until today while your at it.
https://www.news4jax.com/money/2022/08/11/new-publix-20-years-in-the-making-finally-opens-in-san-marco/
Ever being a glutton for punishment, couldn't help myself, had to go see the new Pbx. At lunchtime. The parking, including the garage, is very tight and difficult to get in/out of. Strange to be confined in an elevator, about 6 adults can get on with little space (certainly not 6 feet) in between. It was different to get onto an elevator with a shopping cart afterwards, but they are freight elevators to handle the load. When you get off the elevator and get your cart (they have the smaller carts, as well as regular ones). Trying to get the feel of the place and a vague idea what's where, I felt like almost like a chimney swift must feel. The outside walls seem to be hexagonal, and the aisles seem shorter, and they do seem to have fewer items. Never got near the meat counter, so not sure where that was. Got just a few items and left. The people-watching was fun - especially when the punkers were so terrified of the scene they left quickly. I'm afraid it's too small. They could definitely have done better on the layout and the parking, instead of making space for other little shops. It's already a cluster. Just my own personal .02 cents. I know everyone's been to a grocery store before, but just sharing my own personal experience. I'll keep my status quo.
A significant portion of the first floor parking garage was 8 inches under water about an hour ago. Yikes.
Quote from: MusicMan on January 16, 2019, 09:14:18 AM
I'm fairly certain the company behind the development, Regency, is not publicly owned, so there are no share holders asking questions and pushing for a resolution to the issue.
FYI, Regency Centers, is indeed, a public corporation. It trades under the stock symbol REG on the NASDAQ. The company is valued at over $11 billion.
Quote from: sandyshoes on August 11, 2022, 01:03:26 PM
Ever being a glutton for punishment, couldn't help myself, had to go see the new Pbx. At lunchtime. The parking, including the garage, is very tight and difficult to get in/out of. Strange to be confined in an elevator, about 6 adults can get on with little space (certainly not 6 feet) in between. It was different to get onto an elevator with a shopping cart afterwards, but they are freight elevators to handle the load. When you get off the elevator and get your cart (they have the smaller carts, as well as regular ones). Trying to get the feel of the place and a vague idea what's where, I felt like almost like a chimney swift must feel. The outside walls seem to be hexagonal, and the aisles seem shorter, and they do seem to have fewer items. Never got near the meat counter, so not sure where that was. Got just a few items and left. The people-watching was fun - especially when the punkers were so terrified of the scene they left quickly. I'm afraid it's too small. They could definitely have done better on the layout and the parking, instead of making space for other little shops. It's already a cluster. Just my own personal .02 cents. I know everyone's been to a grocery store before, but just sharing my own personal experience. I'll keep my status quo.
Honestly, this sounds - outside of the elevators - like the Riverside Publix but a bigger store. I mean the parking HAS to be better than Riverside if for no other reason than there's more of it, right?
Now.....if the parking area flooded with standard rain, that's not ideal, though given the place is still under construction that could be teething issues.
Quote from: sandyshoes on August 11, 2022, 01:03:26 PM
The people-watching was fun - especially when the punkers were so terrified of the scene they left quickly.
Care to elaborate on this?
Quote from: Steve on August 11, 2022, 03:09:11 PM
Now.....if the parking area flooded with standard rain, that's not ideal, though given the place is still under construction that could be teething issues.
Could still be debris barriers over the storm drains to prevent contamination, but they also slow drainage. There are some significant puddles outside my office, so it may have been more than just a standard rain.
My house is like a 1/4 mile away and it straight up monsooned for like 30 minutes this afternoon. At one point it was horizontal.
Quote from: sandyshoes on August 11, 2022, 01:03:26 PM
Ever being a glutton for punishment, couldn't help myself, had to go see the new Pbx. At lunchtime. The parking, including the garage, is very tight and difficult to get in/out of. Strange to be confined in an elevator, about 6 adults can get on with little space (certainly not 6 feet) in between. It was different to get onto an elevator with a shopping cart afterwards, but they are freight elevators to handle the load. When you get off the elevator and get your cart (they have the smaller carts, as well as regular ones). Trying to get the feel of the place and a vague idea what's where, I felt like almost like a chimney swift must feel.
Jax is a bit late to the party but these two-level grocery stores are all over the state now. The model has helped the big boxes expand in denser urban centers all across the country. Gone is the day where we have to level blocks and blocks of the street grid to accommodate surface parking. It will definitely be a new experience for many Jaxsons. However, this store is likely the first of similar structures that will be built throughout various urban neighborhoods moving forward.
It's not flooding - it's a Water Feature!
Regency was lauded as an "Industry Leader."
No significant price appreciation since my post. Jan 2019 .... $65 per share.
Price today...... $65.30 per share
Price per share when they announced this Publix project............... Jan 2006...... $64.63
Wowza!
Quote from: MusicMan on August 11, 2022, 04:53:33 PM
Regency was lauded as an "Industry Leader."
No significant price appreciation since my post. Jan 2019 .... $65 per share.
Price today...... $65.30 per share
Price per share when they announced this Publix project............... Jan 2006...... $64.63
Wowza!
I think the story is a bit more complex.
Regency is a REIT (real estate investment trust). That said, REITs are going to mostly track the real estate market and the economy. I note the only significant and sustained dips in their stock were the 2008 multiyear real estate recession and COVID. The stock also has above average dividend yields (currently, about 4%) and such payouts may further limit stock appreciation as the shareholders are taking out value along the way rather than leaving it in the company.
Overall, from what I have read, Regency has outperformed the average REIT over the decades (market may agree given it is trading above the S&P average P/E ratio at 23x). I understand that the hundreds of shopping centers they own are mostly anchored by Class A grocery stores such as Publix creating superior returns and stability of their portfolio.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on August 11, 2022, 03:24:23 PM
Quote from: Steve on August 11, 2022, 03:09:11 PM
Now.....if the parking area flooded with standard rain, that's not ideal, though given the place is still under construction that could be teething issues.
Could still be debris barriers over the storm drains to prevent contamination, but they also slow drainage. There are some significant puddles outside my office, so it may have been more than just a standard rain.
Something like that is my guess. I mean I don't work in San Marco so I don't know how heavy it was, but whatever rain came is likely not unusual for summer in Florida. The point is, I can't imagine there's some fundamental design flaw with the construction.
QuoteA look inside San Marco's new Publix
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After twenty years of planning, Publix has finally opened in San Marco. Join the Jaxson for a virtual walk inside Jacksonville's first two level grocery store.
Read More: https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/a-look-inside-san-marcos-new-publix/
Quote from: MusicMan on August 11, 2022, 04:53:33 PM
Regency was lauded as an "Industry Leader."
No significant price appreciation since my post. Jan 2019 .... $65 per share.
Price today...... $65.30 per share
Price per share when they announced this Publix project............... Jan 2006...... $64.63
Wowza!
REIT's stock prices should mostly remain stable and the dividend yield is how they provide revenue to stock holders. I would use the annual dividend yield, not the stock price to determine it's APY performance.
I guess you took our pictures of the parking garage before the flood? :)
Quote from: JPalmer on August 12, 2022, 10:04:35 AM
REIT's stock prices should mostly remain stable and the dividend yield is how they provide revenue to stock holders. I would use the annual dividend yield, not the stock price to determine it's APY performance.
Musicman is just parroting what Sanmarcomatt used to say, so this explanation will likely go over his head. Starting in 2000 Regency grew their dividend considerably until 2009 when it dropped by about 40%. They held their dividend constant from 2009-2013. Since 2013 they have grown their dividend every year since. However, Musicman wasn't even aware that Regency was a public company until yesterday, so none of this really means anything to him, he's just taking shots at a developer because he thinks being snarky is cool. He should be cheering for a national developer who is headquartered locally because their success creates jobs for local residents. At one point Regency was considering moving to Atlanta, but they have since committed to remaining in Jacksonville despite it not being a target metro for investment due to the low market rents.
Quote from: Steve on August 11, 2022, 09:13:22 PM
Quote from: Captain Zissou on August 11, 2022, 03:24:23 PM
Quote from: Steve on August 11, 2022, 03:09:11 PM
Now.....if the parking area flooded with standard rain, that's not ideal, though given the place is still under construction that could be teething issues.
Could still be debris barriers over the storm drains to prevent contamination, but they also slow drainage. There are some significant puddles outside my office, so it may have been more than just a standard rain.
It was a heavy rainstorm, but still nothing crazier than what we get a couple of times per summer. It was about an inch of rain.
Something like that is my guess. I mean I don't work in San Marco so I don't know how heavy it was, but whatever rain came is likely not unusual for summer in Florida. The point is, I can't imagine there's some fundamental design flaw with the construction.
Well if posting the stock price performance of a publicly traded company is "being snarky" and "taking shots", I guess that's what it is.
Please don't post the same stats for the "shitty" coffee company Starbucks over the same time frame. That would be "snarky."
Quote from: thelakelander on August 12, 2022, 08:37:42 AM
QuoteA look inside San Marco's new Publix
(https://photos.moderncities.com/Cities/Jacksonville/Development/San-Marco-Publix/i-vjxgMk3/0/2f8bffc2/L/20220811_185840-L.jpg)
After twenty years of planning, Publix has finally opened in San Marco. Join the Jaxson for a virtual walk inside Jacksonville's first two level grocery store.
Read More: https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/a-look-inside-san-marcos-new-publix/
(https://photos.moderncities.com/Cities/Jacksonville/Development/San-Marco-Publix/i-RXcFRzN/0/1182f66e/L/20220811_190423-L.jpg)
Funny seeing the picture of old San Marco with a Lovett's grocery store in it. Lovett's became Winn Lovett which became Winn Dixie, still a Publix competitor. I wonder if Publix realized that when using this picture in their store :). To add more insult to injury, Lovett went on to build the Piggly Wiggly grocery chain which for much of its life was HQ'd in Jax but never could have a store here, supposedly due to a non-compete with Winn Dixie.
I'm sure that whatever entity they hired, probably had no clue of the history behind the names in the photo. It was simply an attempt to show San Marco Square of the past.
Flooding seems like teething issues:
https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/san-marco-publix-flooding-regency-centers-working-to-make-sure-we-dont-see-this-again
Doesn't sound like much of an issue. It was dry by the evening of opening day.
Never knew there was so much on that block.
20 years of planning and this is what one of the best historic neighborhoods in Jax gets. Haha...hahahaha... hahahahhaahaha. It's truly incredible how backwards Jacksonville has become since the boom from the late 80's-90's/early 00's.
At least the Riverside Publix sort of preserved the street front business/walkable aesthetic. 20 years and the best they could come up with was a strip mall that looks copy/pasted from Atlantic Blvd. Ugh... The one bright side is the surface lot is smaller than it could be.
Other than there being some parking under the Publix, feels like a carbon copy of the Riverside Publix shopping center.
Now I'm getting nostalgic for all the little tiny grocery stores of my childhood; the little standalone A&P on Jammes Rd.; the bigger one in the Cedar Hills Shopping Center, across Wilson Road from the other part that had a Zales, Lerner's, Western Auto and Winn-Dixie with its cool light-up signage at night....Would love to see a separate thread on those types of grocers and their locations, if someone has time to go dig them up, please? Feel free to cut this reply from this thread as you wish. My hubby and I often wish we could get some good old Clark's Beefsteaks again. (Those were devised by the family who owned the Clark's Grocery in San Marco). I don't know what kind of clamor took place in San Marco to bring an Orangetheory where you can work off your Crumblecookies before you get Publix groceries and then decide to just eat at the upscale seafood restaurant. It's not too late to chuck the add-on storefronts and just let Publix expand into those spaces and stand on its own as THE neighborhood market. Parking sitch would be also better without folks competing to park for the other places when they open.
Quote from: sandyshoes on August 16, 2022, 02:23:26 PM
Now I'm getting nostalgic for all the little tiny grocery stores of my childhood; the little standalone A&P on Jammes Rd.; the bigger one in the Cedar Hills Shopping Center, across Wilson Road from the other part that had a Zales, Lerner's, Western Auto and Winn-Dixie with its cool light-up signage at night....Would love to see a separate thread on those types of grocers and their locations, if someone has time to go dig them up, please? Feel free to cut this reply from this thread as you wish. My hubby and I often wish we could get some good old Clark's Beefsteaks again. (Those were devised by the family who owned the Clark's Grocery in San Marco). I don't know what kind of clamor took place in San Marco to bring an Orangetheory where you can work off your Crumblecookies before you get Publix groceries and then decide to just eat at the upscale seafood restaurant. It's not too late to chuck the add-on storefronts and just let Publix expand into those spaces and stand on its own as THE neighborhood market. Parking sitch would be also better without folks competing to park for the other places when they open.
It's pretty damn tough to make money on just a Publix. You make it on the shops space.
Quote from: thelakelander on August 15, 2022, 05:31:38 PM
Other than there being some parking under the Publix, feels like a carbon copy of the Riverside Publix shopping center.
The layout is very different, its similar to the Greenwise store in Nocatee
I was speaking more in terms of shopping center layout. In both cases, you have a Publix store with roughly 15,000 square feet of specialty retail. Unlike a suburban strip mall, the specialty retail creates a pedestrian scale atmosphere on at least one street. In both cases, you also have a large surface parking lot fronting another street. The largest difference between the two is that this Publix includes some parking under it.
Well, to the surprise of no one, all of the signage and lane markings on Atlantic have been removed and its back to two full lanes westbound at the Publix.
Quote from: acme54321 on August 19, 2022, 06:10:35 PM
Well, to the surprise of no one, all of the signage and lane markings on Atlantic have been removed and its back to two full lanes westbound at the Publix.
I think it was changed after the the first day school.