Post-vaccine, work travel has picked way back up for me and I've been bouncing between cities a lot again. Was back in Nashville on Saturday, and the game-night scene downtown for the Predators was just electric. Ditto on Sunday morning for the Titans game. Have experienced similar scenes in other multiple cities as of late.
It's got me noticing just how much sports stadiums contribute to the overall vibrancy of downtown areas and how we've kind of left that synergy on the table to clustering TIAA Bank Field, the Baseball Grounds, Vet Memorial, and Daily's Place so far from the CBD.
I get that there's efficiencies to be gained with shared parking facilities, but it just feels like such a wasted opportunity to have all of our major facilities so far removed from the true downtown core and not contributing to foot traffic in the central core.
Am I crazy to think that building the Baseball Grounds in LaVilla, for example, would have been transformational for the neighborhood? Or in Springfield? Or finding a location for the arena 10 blocks west?
Question for you guys.
If you could relocate each of our three major sports facilities to somewhere else in the city where you think they'd have a greater impact, where would it be? Answer could just as easily be that they're properly located as is.
Quote from: Ken_FSU on November 17, 2021, 12:04:11 AM
Post-vaccine, work travel has picked way back up for me and I've been bouncing between cities a lot again. Was back in Nashville on Saturday, and the game-night scene downtown for the Predators was just electric. Ditto on Sunday morning for the Titans game. Have experienced similar scenes in other multiple cities as of late.
It's got me noticing just how much sports stadiums contribute to the overall vibrancy of downtown areas and how we've kind of left that synergy on the table to clustering TIAA Bank Field, the Baseball Grounds, Vet Memorial, and Daily's Place so far from the CBD.
I get that there's efficiencies to be gained with shared parking facilities, but it just feels like such a wasted opportunity to have all of our major facilities so far removed from the true downtown core and not contributing to foot traffic in the central core.
Am I crazy to think that building the Baseball Grounds in LaVilla, for example, would have been transformational for the neighborhood? Or in Springfield? Or finding a location for the arena 10 blocks west?
Question for you guys.
If you could relocate each of our three major sports facilities to somewhere else in the city where you think they'd have a greater impact, where would it be? Answer could just as easily be that they're properly located as is.
I don't think it's necessarily a problem where the venues are I think in Jax. The problem is the lack of amenities around the venues which in essence then just encourages people to tailgate (if at all) and then leave straight after, so whilst these are urban stadiums you're encouraging suburban habits. It's why despite the rip off that it was I didn't hugely oppose Lot J and am quite happy to reconsider it.
Sports venues are not the ones of old built miles away in the suburbs with nothing but a sea of parking. They're all in on the development game now and have been quite successful and despite the often ridiculous public asks for funds they are contributing a lot more than they once did and obviously are a big economic driver for the hospitality industry.
This is why I would hate to see the Jags ever disappear to SJC or the like. A stadium in Bartram Park or Durbin Creek would be a pitiful waste and thankfully that type of thing is never going to happen.
The two remaining older stock suburban stadiums in the mid-smaller metros are the Chiefs and the Bills. I went to Arrowhead a few years ago without a car and it's frankly a garbage experience. Nothing nearby apart from a taco bell, a gas station and one or two crappy hotels. Also very difficult to get to. Really designed for tailgating and nothing else.
Quote from: Ken_FSU on November 17, 2021, 12:04:11 AM
Post-vaccine, work travel has picked way back up for me and I've been bouncing between cities a lot again. Was back in Nashville on Saturday, and the game-night scene downtown for the Predators was just electric. Ditto on Sunday morning for the Titans game. Have experienced similar scenes in other multiple cities as of late.
It's got me noticing just how much sports stadiums contribute to the overall vibrancy of downtown areas and how we've kind of left that synergy on the table to clustering TIAA Bank Field, the Baseball Grounds, Vet Memorial, and Daily's Place so far from the CBD.
I get that there's efficiencies to be gained with shared parking facilities, but it just feels like such a wasted opportunity to have all of our major facilities so far removed from the true downtown core and not contributing to foot traffic in the central core.
Am I crazy to think that building the Baseball Grounds in LaVilla, for example, would have been transformational for the neighborhood? Or in Springfield? Or finding a location for the arena 10 blocks west?
Question for you guys.
If you could relocate each of our three major sports facilities to somewhere else in the city where you think they'd have a greater impact, where would it be? Answer could just as easily be that they're properly located as is.
A Phillip Randolph
WAS a functioning commercial district. Most of that has been torn down. So the flip side is that perhaps designing around something that is already there in a complementary way is more beneficial than tearing it all down, half-assing it for multiple decades with spotty new infill, and then wondering why an area isn't vibrant... is probably, stupid at best. There's no reason that the sports complex couldn't have integrated itself better with APR instead of tearing down stuff for the Fairgrounds/Wolfson Park, tearing stuff down for the BJP facilities, and then tearing more stuff down still today.
If adaptive reuse was the preferred route, then APR could have an authentic sense of place like Gaslamp in San Diego, or emerging redevelopment in places like Summerhill and South Downtown Atlanta
Most of this is now gone. Would have made prime redevelopment opportunities to breathe life into a neighborhood that needs employment opportunities, new housing and economic development:
https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/48-years-after-the-eastside-riot-of-1969/ (https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/48-years-after-the-eastside-riot-of-1969/)
San Diego
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Given the time that they were built, the arena and/or ballpark would have been more beneficial if located where the courthouse is. In any event, as time has gone on, I believe they're fine where located. Vibrancy is negatively impacted because we blew the neighborhood up around them. Instead of warehouse lofts, restaurants, nightlife and retail in historic buildings like Doro, we razed that walkable setting for expressways, parking garages and parking lots. At this point, the stadium investment has been made. Now we'll need to rebuild and reconnect the Eastside neighborhood the stadium district replaced. Jax will need to think bigger than what the Jags, Mayor's Office and DIA have so far. Success there is just as much reliant on reconnecting to the neighborhood north of it, as it is to the downtown one mile west of it.
Quote from: thelakelander on November 17, 2021, 07:14:15 AM
Jax will need to think bigger than what the Jags, Mayor's Office and DIA have so far. Success there is just as much reliant on reconnecting to the neighborhood north of it, as it is to the downtown one mile west of it.
Bingo
Would you use the Reconnecting Communities funds in the new Infrastructure Law in the Sports Complex / A Phillip Randolph area? If so, how? It seems that the Matthews Expressway at grade, even if a "boulevard" would be nearly as dividing as the elevated roadway. Perhaps embracing the elevation, and rebuilding so the entire length is elevated, and then using the 'under' space for community amenities, as other cities have done (Orlando with I-4 downtown?).
Quote from: landfall on November 17, 2021, 04:54:31 AM
Quote from: Ken_FSU on November 17, 2021, 12:04:11 AM
Post-vaccine, work travel has picked way back up for me and I've been bouncing between cities a lot again. Was back in Nashville on Saturday, and the game-night scene downtown for the Predators was just electric. Ditto on Sunday morning for the Titans game. Have experienced similar scenes in other multiple cities as of late.
It's got me noticing just how much sports stadiums contribute to the overall vibrancy of downtown areas and how we've kind of left that synergy on the table to clustering TIAA Bank Field, the Baseball Grounds, Vet Memorial, and Daily's Place so far from the CBD.
I get that there's efficiencies to be gained with shared parking facilities, but it just feels like such a wasted opportunity to have all of our major facilities so far removed from the true downtown core and not contributing to foot traffic in the central core.
Am I crazy to think that building the Baseball Grounds in LaVilla, for example, would have been transformational for the neighborhood? Or in Springfield? Or finding a location for the arena 10 blocks west?
Question for you guys.
If you could relocate each of our three major sports facilities to somewhere else in the city where you think they'd have a greater impact, where would it be? Answer could just as easily be that they're properly located as is.
I don't think it's necessarily a problem where the venues are I think in Jax. The problem is the lack of amenities around the venues which in essence then just encourages people to tailgate (if at all) and then leave straight after, so whilst these are urban stadiums you're encouraging suburban habits. It's why despite the rip off that it was I didn't hugely oppose Lot J and am quite happy to reconsider it.
Sports venues are not the ones of old built miles away in the suburbs with nothing but a sea of parking. They're all in on the development game now and have been quite successful and despite the often ridiculous public asks for funds they are contributing a lot more than they once did and obviously are a big economic driver for the hospitality industry.
This is why I would hate to see the Jags ever disappear to SJC or the like. A stadium in Bartram Park or Durbin Creek would be a pitiful waste and thankfully that type of thing is never going to happen.
The two remaining older stock suburban stadiums in the mid-smaller metros are the Chiefs and the Bills. I went to Arrowhead a few years ago without a car and it's frankly a garbage experience. Nothing nearby apart from a taco bell, a gas station and one or two crappy hotels. Also very difficult to get to. Really designed for tailgating and nothing else.
You can add Houston to that list of stadiums that have nothing around it.
Miami's Hard Rock Stadium has a Walmart close by, so another stadium that clearly has a lot going on around it. Gilette stadium is nowhere near downtown Boston but they've added amenities around it. It is still very possible for the sports complex here to be a fun area with more to offer than maximum surface parking lot boredom.
It seems like some markets do a true Downtown stadium, where getting in/out can be a challenge but there's plenty to do. Examples are found a little more in Baseball, with places like San Diego (Padres), Baltimore (Orioles, and Ravens to a degree), and San Francisco (Giants) coming to mind. Other markets are way out in the burbs, such as Kansas City (Royals and Chiefs), Houston (Texans), and New York (Giants/Jets) coming to mind. There's usually good parking and getting in and out is usually easy, but there isn't much to do around the stadium NATURALLY. I say naturally, because markets like Atlanta and New England have built up the area around it. This is easier to do in Baseball when you have 81 home games; harder in football. One of the reasons that Patriot Place works is the Foxborough, MA area had a market need for something like a St. John's Town Center. anyway.
We've gone the third direction - adjacent to downtown, but not easily walkable. It's not a terrible walk from APR to JWJ Park, but it's a bit long. The ones that come to mind there are St. Louis and to a degree Philadelphia. Thus....I see why they developed what they developed in Ballpark Village and Xfinity Live. Like Lakelander said, I wish the Stadium/Arena was in the core....but we're not moving it now.
I still think you can go the route of a master planned, "urban" retail development AND establish genuine connectivity to the Eastside, which if done right would be beneficial for both the Eastside and Sports Complex
Not commenting on the current state of the entertainment district, but for 2 of the home games I've gone to Strings afterward and have found it to be very busy with Jag fans. It's one of the easier to get to and easier parking establishments after a game and it definitely benefits from its proximity to the stadium. I park on the east side of the stadium, so I have not tried to go to intuition after a game but I imagine they do very well on gamedays.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on November 17, 2021, 11:40:27 AM
Not commenting on the current state of the entertainment district, but for 2 of the home games I've gone to Strings afterward and have found it to be very busy with Jag fans. It's one of the easier to get to and easier parking establishments after a game and it definitely benefits from its proximity to the stadium. I park on the east side of the stadium, so I have not tried to go to intuition after a game but I imagine they do very well on gamedays.
I've been to Intuition after the game - my feeling is they do just fine. Not as busy as before the game, but certainly busy.
To me though, having these places busy on "Full Stadium Events" (Jags Games, Monster Jam, Florida/Georgia) isn't the goal - that really better happen anyway.
What I want is for the places to be at least profitable on a random concert or Shrimp Game, or on a Thursday night where there's nothing going on.
Quote from: Charles Hunter on November 17, 2021, 08:58:02 AM
Would you use the Reconnecting Communities funds in the new Infrastructure Law in the Sports Complex / A Phillip Randolph area? If so, how? It seems that the Matthews Expressway at grade, even if a "boulevard" would be nearly as dividing as the elevated roadway. Perhaps embracing the elevation, and rebuilding so the entire length is elevated, and then using the 'under' space for community amenities, as other cities have done (Orlando with I-4 downtown?).
I would. Doing such would help with the flow of Hogans Creek and relieve much of the flooding associated with it. As of now, that culvert under the expressway just clogs flow. It would also allow for the Emerald Trail to be properly designed through there and repair much of the grid in the Eastside and Fairfield. An at-grade boulevard could also have some linear green space throughout the corridor and allow for the development of a new mixed-use "front door" to both the Eastside and the Sports and Entertainment District. The intersection at A. Philip Randolph Boulevard could be much more than it is today.
Quote from: thelakelander on November 17, 2021, 12:14:31 PM
Quote from: Charles Hunter on November 17, 2021, 08:58:02 AM
Would you use the Reconnecting Communities funds in the new Infrastructure Law in the Sports Complex / A Phillip Randolph area? If so, how? It seems that the Matthews Expressway at grade, even if a "boulevard" would be nearly as dividing as the elevated roadway. Perhaps embracing the elevation, and rebuilding so the entire length is elevated, and then using the 'under' space for community amenities, as other cities have done (Orlando with I-4 downtown?).
I would. Doing such would help with the flow of Hogans Creek and relieve much of the flooding associated with it. As of now, that culvert under the expressway just clogs flow. It would also allow for the Emerald Trail to be properly designed through there and repair much of the grid in the Eastside and Fairfield. An at-grade boulevard could also have some linear green space throughout the corridor and allow for the development of a new mixed-use "front door" to both the Eastside and the Sports and Entertainment District. The intersection at A. Philip Randolph Boulevard could be much more than it is today.
A "West Arlington Boulevard" (which would probably just be Beaver St) would only be divisive if you designed it to be. If we weren't afraid to slow the cars down going through, and made sure to provide room for transit and sidewalks, it could absolutely work. Especially with the Fairgrounds moving, the intersection of Beaver and APR could be absolutely incredible.
Quote from: fieldafm on November 17, 2021, 06:50:08 AM
Quote from: Ken_FSU on November 17, 2021, 12:04:11 AM
Post-vaccine, work travel has picked way back up for me and I've been bouncing between cities a lot again. Was back in Nashville on Saturday, and the game-night scene downtown for the Predators was just electric. Ditto on Sunday morning for the Titans game. Have experienced similar scenes in other multiple cities as of late.
It's got me noticing just how much sports stadiums contribute to the overall vibrancy of downtown areas and how we've kind of left that synergy on the table to clustering TIAA Bank Field, the Baseball Grounds, Vet Memorial, and Daily's Place so far from the CBD.
I get that there's efficiencies to be gained with shared parking facilities, but it just feels like such a wasted opportunity to have all of our major facilities so far removed from the true downtown core and not contributing to foot traffic in the central core.
Am I crazy to think that building the Baseball Grounds in LaVilla, for example, would have been transformational for the neighborhood? Or in Springfield? Or finding a location for the arena 10 blocks west?
Question for you guys.
If you could relocate each of our three major sports facilities to somewhere else in the city where you think they'd have a greater impact, where would it be? Answer could just as easily be that they're properly located as is.
A Phillip Randolph WAS a functioning commercial district. Most of that has been torn down. So the flip side is that perhaps designing around something that is already there in a complementary way is more beneficial than tearing it all down, half-assing it for multiple decades with spotty new infill, and then wondering why an area isn't vibrant... is probably, stupid at best. There's no reason that the sports complex couldn't have integrated itself better with APR instead of tearing down stuff for the Fairgrounds/Wolfson Park, tearing stuff down for the BJP facilities, and then tearing more stuff down still today.
If adaptive reuse was the preferred route, then APR could have an authentic sense of place like Gaslamp in San Diego, or emerging redevelopment in places like Summerhill and South Downtown Atlanta
Most of this is now gone. Would have made prime redevelopment opportunities to breathe life into a neighborhood that needs employment opportunities, new housing and economic development:
https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/48-years-after-the-eastside-riot-of-1969/ (https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/48-years-after-the-eastside-riot-of-1969/)
San Diego
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Man, this is depressing.
Really interesting share, thanks.
The destruction elsewhere downtown and in neighborhoods like LaVilla is well documented, but had no idea how much of the Eastside had been razed.
Broken record, but all this needless destruction is another thing that makes me depressed when I visit other vibrant cities. You just see block after block after block of historic building stock in other cities, full of charm and character, with street-level uses, and we just don't have that in large quantity here anymore. We've got pockets here and there on streets like Laura and Bay, all separated by countless surface parking lots, block-sized parking garages without retail, officer towers and government buildings that don't interact with the street, etc. Feels like we've destroyed so much of our density that we're going to have to rely on generic infill over decades to get it back.
QuoteBroken record, but all this needless destruction is another thing that makes me depressed when I visit other vibrant cities. You just see block after block after block of historic building stock in other cities, full of charm and character, with street-level uses, and we just don't have that in large quantity here anymore. We've got pockets here and there on streets like Laura and Bay, all separated by countless surface parking lots, block-sized parking garages without retail, officer towers and government buildings that don't interact with the street, etc. Feels like we've destroyed so much of our density that we're going to have to rely on generic infill over decades to get it back.
Any new infill along this stretch now would largely be impossible to replicate what was once there. Zoning requires parking for new development on the Eastside of the Matthews Expressway (even though there are empty parking garages just a few blocks away). Assemblage and construction costs makes smaller, two/three story mixed use buildings largely economically unfeasible. Due to material costs, the type of architectural treatments that defined these lost buildings are a frilly expense that negatively effects your proforma. Etc, etc, etc.
So this
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Will largely replace something like this (Cabbagetown in Atlanta... very comparable to the Eastside neighborhood in Iax)
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More before/after to get a handle on what was lost, and the nothing that replaced it...
https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/jacksonvilles-eastside-then-and-now/ (https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/jacksonvilles-eastside-then-and-now/)
For one, I'd argue that we probably have more historic building stock remaining in the vicinity of downtown than most other cities in Florida. Sure, it might not compare to Atlanta or cities elsewhere, but I don't think we're giving ourselves as much credit as we could be.
More importantly, most of the problems Field is describing here are policy issues that are completely solvable. It's a question of our political will to change the incentives. If we drop the parking requirements, institute neighborhood design standards, and include some degree of subsidy as we have for buildings in downtown, I don't see why we couldn't get some approximation of what these places used to have.
Sure, building individual mixed use buildings might not easily pan out, but why couldn't someone buy one or two empty blocks and build that out? And if more density actually makes sense for the area, what's wrong with that?
I would love to see parking requirements completely eliminated for the entire city within the 295 loop. Really for the entire city but figured this would be a good way to start. It would allow for the natural development of more mixed-density infill housing without worrying where the parking lot/garage is going to be
Quote from: Zac T on November 18, 2021, 11:48:02 AM
I would love to see parking requirements completely eliminated for the entire city within the 295 loop. Really for the entire city but figured this would be a good way to start. It would allow for the natural development of more mixed-density infill housing without worrying where the parking lot/garage is going to be
One thing the code does not recognize, is the ability to bundle parking with shared facilities. There are many instances, particularly in the neighborhoods in pre-consolidated Jacksonville, that there is abundant parking nearby that is unused during one user's off-peak time, that could be used for another user's peak-time parking needs. The Code only allows you to provide the parking required entirely within your site. So, a restaurant/bar that is open in the evening couldn't have a shared use agreement with the bank next door that is closed at 5pm in order to fulfill the restaurant's parking requirements. No, that restaurant has to provide 100% or 50% (depending on where you are) of whatever the zoning code arbitrarily tells you is your parking requirement entirely within its own property line. That's not free-market, whatsoever.
Although not entirely applicable, as these buildings are within 'Downtown' and therefore have different parking standards (or at least did, at the time), an interesting case study of the complete backwards economic incentives that the city imposes upon itself can be found along APR.
After the Noland Plumbing building was successfully redeveloped (with Intuition and Manifest as tenants) and while the Doro building was trying (very hard) to be redeveloped... it was IMPOSSIBLE to use the existing parking garages right across the street to serve as non-event day parking. Even though there were
thousands of parking spaces that sat unused. Why? Well, because the owner of the parking garage actually makes more money when they lose more money... because their development agreement with COJ requires COJ to 'loan' them money to cover their losses and guarantee a fixed ROI. The more money they lose, the more money they make. Therefore, neither Intuition nor Manifest were able to PAY the parking garage owner for the use of their unused parking spaces. Pretty insane, right?
So, a solution was found to take some money that had sat unused for over a decade for the Bay Street Town Center to upgrade an unused parking lot across the street. The Bay Street Town Center was a Super Bowl-era plan to create an entertainment district along Bay Street. It worked pretty well, and then the City decided to actually make the area less walkable by expanding Bay Street (the original design called for medians and mid-block pedestrian crossings) and now requiring whatever developer goes into the former Courthouse and City Hall site (both demolished for a few million bucks) to provide as little street level retail as possible. But I digress..
Well, that parking lot was supposed to be free two-hour parking. COJ decided they wanted to make it a paid parking lot (as if there is so much demand on non-event days that parking is somehow gobbled up around the sports district- thats sarcasm, btw) and installed a gate system on the lot. Two years later, the parking lot had been torn up for the half-assed Hart Bridge ramp tear-down.
I mean, it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/downtowns-doro-district-secures-parking/ (https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/downtowns-doro-district-secures-parking/)
I've said this a MILLION times. 95% of the parking in the sports complex is owned by COJ.
For all events in the Sports Complex EXCEPT "Full Stadium Events" (Jags Games, Florida/Georgia, Monster Jam, etc.), add $2 to every single ticket and make parking 100% free. Open every city lot and garage and make it wide open. Use the $2 to make up for the lost parking revenue.
It isn't hard.
For the 15 days a year we have a full stadium event, no bar owner in the Sports Complex should struggle to make a killing those days.
This would also have the added benefit of reducing the economic benefit of the people selling parking in a random lot, thereby encouraging them to sell the property for development.
Quoteadd $2 to every single ticket and make parking 100% free
Such a fee is already baked into Dailys Place events. Its how COJ helps pays for the bond money for the construction of the amphitheater, the never-used indoor practice facility and upgrades done to the stadium in 2015/2016 timeframe. The bed tax money is basically tapped out, so the fee is a way to help pay for that debt service. The Lot J proposal, which will come back again in 2022, had a similar parking fee mechanism.
QuoteThis would also have the added benefit of reducing the economic benefit of the people selling parking in a random lot, thereby encouraging them to sell the property for development.
Many of the makeshift lots on the Eastside and in Fairfield are owned by people that don't live in the neighborhood. There is zero incentive to sell and get those properties to more productive uses, as the carrying costs (basically, property taxes) are virtually nonexistent... and selling parking a few dozen times a year is a nice little cash business that flies under the radar of the IRS. Again, the supply/demand is out of whack due to artificial forces.
We say it all the time here, but our city leaders need to look no further than Orlando for some examples of how to boost the vibrancy of downtown. I think something like The Yard https://theyardivanhoe.com/ (https://theyardivanhoe.com/) would be great for either Brooklyn or the Sports District. It's a good combination of housing, shops, gym and food/beer hall. The shops cater to those who live there and nearby and the food hall helps draw in people from all over the city. It's right on the Urban Bike trail which makes it easy for people to walk, bike or drive there.
The Doro project seems like it might be similar to The Yard, but the scale seems much smaller. Thoughts?
A. Philip Randolph as a corridor, can blow away anything in urban Orlando.....with the right planning and implementation. It's one of the streets the DIA and COJ should prioritize as a walkable retail corridor from Bay to 1st. This would mean intentionally having policies that keep pedestrian hostile uses and structures from being built. This way, we won't incrementally ruin the opportunity.
Quote from: thelakelander on February 23, 2022, 11:16:30 AM
....with the right planning and implementation.
^This is the key. My main point was that there are completed projects nearby that could be used as a reference point for a successful larger scale mixed use space in a walkable / bikeable area. The food / beer hall in particular is something I think should be looked at. Its scale / vertical design would fit nicely in Brooklyn, Lavilla, Sports District or former Landing site.
Quote from: jaxjaguar on February 23, 2022, 11:46:08 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on February 23, 2022, 11:16:30 AM
....with the right planning and implementation.
^This is the key. My main point was that there are completed projects nearby that could be used as a reference point for a successful larger scale mixed use space in a walkable / bikeable area. The food / beer hall in particular is something I think should be looked at. Its scale and vertical design would fit nicely in Brooklyn, Lavilla, Sports District or former Landing site.
Quote from: jaxjaguar on February 23, 2022, 11:46:08 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on February 23, 2022, 11:16:30 AM
....with the right planning and implementation.
^This is the key. My main point was that there are completed projects nearby that could be used as a reference point for a successful larger scale mixed use space in a walkable / bikeable area. The food / beer hall in particular is something I think should be looked at. Its scale / vertical design would fit nicely in Brooklyn, Lavilla, Sports District or former Landing site.
As soon as the Park Street construction gets sorted out, a developer in Brooklyn will break ground on an adaptive reuse for a food hall, adaptive reuse of a historically designated church property, the reuse of the former Pennock Floral building.. as well as several new infill mixed-use structures.
https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/jaxs-first-food-hall-coming-to-brooklyn-neighborhood/ (https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/jaxs-first-food-hall-coming-to-brooklyn-neighborhood/)
Quote from: thelakelander on February 23, 2022, 11:16:30 AM
A. Philip Randolph as a corridor, can blow away anything in urban Orlando.....with the right planning and implementation. It's one of the streets the DIA and COJ should prioritize as a walkable retail corridor from Bay to 1st. This would mean intentionally having policies that keep pedestrian hostile uses and structures from being built. This way, we won't incrementally ruin the opportunity.
As I said in this piece, I think this is an underappreciated benefit of the current Arena and Baseball Grounds. It took a long time to have much effect, but it puts much more emphasis on APR Blvd than when the Coliseum and Wolfson Park were just islands in the sea of parking.
https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/7-big-projects-that-moved-downtown-forward-and-how/
Quote from: fieldafm on February 23, 2022, 03:30:33 PM
Quote from: jaxjaguar on February 23, 2022, 11:46:08 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on February 23, 2022, 11:16:30 AM
....with the right planning and implementation.
^This is the key. My main point was that there are completed projects nearby that could be used as a reference point for a successful larger scale mixed use space in a walkable / bikeable area. The food / beer hall in particular is something I think should be looked at. Its scale / vertical design would fit nicely in Brooklyn, Lavilla, Sports District or former Landing site.
As soon as the Park Street construction gets sorted out, a developer in Brooklyn will break ground on an adaptive reuse for a food hall, adaptive reuse of a historically designated church property, the reuse of the former Pennock Floral building.. as well as several new infill mixed-use structures.
https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/jaxs-first-food-hall-coming-to-brooklyn-neighborhood/ (https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/jaxs-first-food-hall-coming-to-brooklyn-neighborhood/)
What is going on with Park St? I went to Brintons the other day and it's like they did one block and stopped
Quote from: acme54321 on February 24, 2022, 11:06:18 AM
Quote from: fieldafm on February 23, 2022, 03:30:33 PM
Quote from: jaxjaguar on February 23, 2022, 11:46:08 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on February 23, 2022, 11:16:30 AM
....with the right planning and implementation.
^This is the key. My main point was that there are completed projects nearby that could be used as a reference point for a successful larger scale mixed use space in a walkable / bikeable area. The food / beer hall in particular is something I think should be looked at. Its scale / vertical design would fit nicely in Brooklyn, Lavilla, Sports District or former Landing site.
As soon as the Park Street construction gets sorted out, a developer in Brooklyn will break ground on an adaptive reuse for a food hall, adaptive reuse of a historically designated church property, the reuse of the former Pennock Floral building.. as well as several new infill mixed-use structures.
https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/jaxs-first-food-hall-coming-to-brooklyn-neighborhood/ (https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/jaxs-first-food-hall-coming-to-brooklyn-neighborhood/)
What is going on with Park St? I went to Brintons the other day and it's like they did one block and stopped
Construction bids came in over the allotted budget. The property owners along Park have also been lobbying JEA for several years to bury utilities underground when the Park Street road diet eventually gets underway. My understanding is that since the budget for the construction has already gone up (by necessity), that DIA is trying to also package in the JEA work now that they have a realistic idea what the cost of the project is going to be since bids are in.
The one section that was 'completed' is a bit of an outlier because one side of the street had the sidewalk replaced because of a drainage issue, and the other side was paid for by JTA as part of the BRT bus service stations they have been incrementally added over the last couple of years. Going back to 2018, JTA/COJ has been installing ADA adherence at intersections and installing new concrete pads for bus stops. Since JTA was already going to spend money on that section, it was coordinated with COJ to ensure that the new sidewalk complied with the eventual road diet/lane reduction configuration. When the Park Street road diet gets ramped up, that 'completed' section will also get some additional upgrades. You can see those 'extras' here: https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/plans-filed-for-park-street-road-diet/ (https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/plans-filed-for-park-street-road-diet/)
Looks like the Doro is getting a real crane finally. Plus its Red.
Last major hurdle in front of the Jags Four Seasons/Office project appears to have been cleared
https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/state-agrees-to-move-grant-restriction-from-kids-kampus-to-future-shipyards-west-park
With it comes the guarantee and obligation that the city must build a 9-acre destination park at the Western Shipyards.
Acreage difference between the original Met Park and the new park is quite different because only Kids Campus acreage is included in the swap. Other adjacent acreage (including the new marina support facility) will still be considered park under the original grant.
You can bet that if Khan or Curry had been in the news saying anything in the slightest against anything the Guv'nor is saying or doing, this approval would have never happened.
Quote from: Ken_FSU on April 20, 2022, 06:28:51 PM
Last major hurdle in front of the Jags Four Seasons/Office project appears to have been cleared
https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/state-agrees-to-move-grant-restriction-from-kids-kampus-to-future-shipyards-west-park
With it comes the guarantee and obligation that the city must build a 9-acre destination park at the Western Shipyards.
Acreage difference between the original Met Park and the new park is quite different because only Kids Campus acreage is included in the swap. Other adjacent acreage (including the new marina support facility) will still be considered park under the original grant.
Good news.