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A visual look inside downtown Jacksonville's latest restaurant and public market: The Bread & Board Provisions
Read More: https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/bread-board-provisions-now-open-in-downtown-northbank/
Looks so beautiful! Well done!
what are the hours for Bread & Board?
One of the most important additions to downtown in 25 years?
Quote from: tufsu1 on August 23, 2021, 09:19:02 AM
what are the hours for Bread & Board?
From Google:
M - 10:30am-9pm
T - 10:30am-9:30pm
W - 10am-2pm
T - 10:30-9:30
Friday-Saturday - 10:30am-10pm
Sunday - 10am-6pm
Don't know if those hours include the market or just the restaurant
I had to work at my Jax office this weekend and stopped by both days since its across the street. The restaurant opened at 11am yesterday. It was open at 1030am on Saturday. The space itself was open at 1030 both days.
Thanks - when I checked their website the other day, it still had hours for the 5 Points location.
Quote from: Zac T on August 23, 2021, 10:34:04 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on August 23, 2021, 09:19:02 AM
what are the hours for Bread & Board?
From Google:
M - 10:30am-9pm
T - 10:30am-9:30pm
W - 10am-2pm
T - 10:30-9:30
Friday-Saturday - 10:30am-10pm
Sunday - 10am-6pm
Don't know if those hours include the market or just the restaurant
Seems like breakfast would be morelucrative then dinner. Maybe they will expand morning hours later.
Will they open for 1st Wednesday Art Walk?
Quote from: vicupstate on August 23, 2021, 12:12:26 PM
Quote from: Zac T on August 23, 2021, 10:34:04 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on August 23, 2021, 09:19:02 AM
what are the hours for Bread & Board?
From Google:
M - 10:30am-9pm
T - 10:30am-9:30pm
W - 10am-2pm
T - 10:30-9:30
Friday-Saturday - 10:30am-10pm
Sunday - 10am-6pm
Don't know if those hours include the market or just the restaurant
Seems like breakfast would be morelucrative then dinner. Maybe they will expand morning hours later.
I'd agree once VyStar employees fill the building. There's still too many empty offices right now unfortunately.
~~ Makes sense.
Now that they are open, will anyone come or show?
Quote from: heights unknown on August 23, 2021, 11:04:21 PM
Now that they are open, will anyone come or show?
Why wouldn't they? This looks like a great business right in the heart of the CBD. It also fills a need for more grab and go food and it allows people to buy some food items to take home for dinner.
I went this morning, and I was just driving around looking for something to do. It's a very nice build out. They have beer and wine to go, plus lots of other things you see in most of the cities one normally travels too, just not in Jacksonville. The whole VyStar building is exceptional, and I will use them to finance my next car (like they did the last 3).
Has anyone noticed the Flex-n-Gate building downtown?
Quote from: MusicMan on August 24, 2021, 11:17:35 AM
Has anyone noticed the Flex-n-Gate building downtown?
Is this some Noone-esque riddle or would you like to expound upon that?
Noone-esque.
There is no Flex-n-Gate building downtown.
Yes, but how does this affect the Baltimore guys?
Lol... DeSantis... Khan... Curry... all evil blood suckers...
Quote from: MusicMan on August 24, 2021, 11:17:35 AM
I went this morning, and I was just driving around looking for something to do. It's a very nice build out. They have beer and wine to go, plus lots of other things you see in most of the cities one normally travels too, just not in Jacksonville. The whole VyStar building is exceptional, and I will use them to finance my next car (like they did the last 3).
Has anyone noticed the Flex-n-Gate building downtown?
Any idea if the Alewife taproom/bar is open yet (aside from breakfast)? Apparently it's part of this store, and not a standalone like I thought from the original PR piece.
It was open this weekend.
Quote from: BridgeTroll on August 24, 2021, 01:31:24 PM
Lol... DeSantis... Khan... Curry... all evil blood suckers...
Tell me about it. Evil to the core.
Lake, how many apartments are supposed to come on line in CBD in the next five years?
Northbank only or the entire CBD as a whole?
I'm basically thinking within walking distance of the VyStar building. They will need neigborhood support to really succeed. Don't imagine anyone from Brooklyn walking down there for a sandwich, unless they work downtown.
^Basically then CBD and LaVilla - MAYBE Sports Complex as I suppose someone could walk from the Doro.
I'll add them up but I will say that hotel rooms will help support moreso than residents in the long run. Also, if the Northbank is redeveloped right, it will become a regional draw that punches above its weight (residential population). The retail and dining on Riverside Avenue in Brooklyn is a good example of this.
I'm trying to compare the crazy build out in SanMarco/SouthBank (about 1900 units ) to what we EXPECT to happen on the other side of the river. If Northbank can put 1500 new units in service by 2025 I'd be very excited. The Symphony would benefit as well with an increase in 'walk up' customers.
It's way over 1500 units. This what comes to mind so far. I'm sure I'm leaving out a few:
The Armory - 100 units
Union Terminal Warehouse - 228 units (Permitted)
The Doro - 247 units (U/C)
Lofts at Cathedral - 120 units
Ashley Square - 120 units (U/C)
Parkview Commons - 122 units (break ground late 2021)
FBC Wiss Property - 260 units
Jones Brothers Furniture - 28 units
First Baptist Convention Building - 24 units (U/C)
Independent Life Building - 135 units (Permitted)
Chamblin Apartments - 4 units (U/C)
Marine National Bank/Ambassador block - 139 units
Porter House Mansion block - 200 units
LaVilla Townhomes - 91 units
Laura Street Trio Phase II - ?? units
1800+
That's ambitious, hope they all get finished. I definitely like the fact that it's spread around and involves several different groups/developers.
It's also a lot to keep track of.
How many have begun construction or had a ground breaking?
I added the ones that are already under construction and/or have recently received permits to begin construction. Should be at least 880 units underway by the end of the year.
Quote from: MusicMan on August 28, 2021, 12:24:02 PM
1800+
That's ambitious, hope they all get finished. I definitely like the fact that it's spread around and involves several different groups/developers.
It's also a lot to keep track of.
How many have begun construction or had a ground breaking?
Frankly, that's not very ambitious. Many of those aren't close to breaking ground. Even if all of those units come online, the larger boundary of Downtown will still be less dense than Orange Park. DT Jax is still very much a vertical suburb made up mostly of daytime workers... however there are less of those daytime inhabitants than there were 30 years ago. While, save for the last 15 months, the daytime population was higher on Jan 2020 than it was on Jan 2010... its still a ways off from the peak around 1994/1995, when most of the last home-grown corp headquarters moved to the suburbs or different cities all together. TIAA Bank, Vystar and the Fidelity companies have helped... but there were less employees in the TIAA Bank building on Jan 1, 2020 than there were when it was the ATT&T Building on Jan 1, 1990. The old American Heritage Life Building recovered with the Vystar acquisition, but the old First Union building is virtually empty... as is the old Atlantic National Bank Building across the street.
For comparison, there are over 2,300 units CURRENTLY under construction in DT Orlando at the moment.
QuoteI'm trying to compare the crazy build out in SanMarco/SouthBank (about 1900 units )
That's not a crazy number. Once filled up, there would still be PLENTY of room for additional absorption. Those broader three submarkets are less dense than Riverside. And every one of those submarkets have easy interstate highway access to the major employment centers in Jacksonville- Southpoint, Town Center and to a lesser extent (in terms of employee count), Downtown. Even if you took the Southbank's boundary and swallowed up everything up to San Marco Square and carved out a little slice to include the Phillips Highway apartments... that's a lower population density than Downtown Sarasota, which has no interstate highway access and has less office workers. A bit of an oranges to tangerine comparison, but it makes the point.
Quote from: fieldafm on August 28, 2021, 01:14:06 PM
Quote from: MusicMan on August 28, 2021, 12:24:02 PM
1800+
That's ambitious, hope they all get finished. I definitely like the fact that it's spread around and involves several different groups/developers.
It's also a lot to keep track of.
How many have begun construction or had a ground breaking?
Frankly, that's not very ambitious. Many of those aren't close to breaking ground. Even if all of those units come online, the larger boundary of Downtown will still be less dense than Orange Park.
For comparison, there are over 2,300 units CURRENTLY under construction in DT Orlando at the moment.
QuoteI'm trying to compare the crazy build out in SanMarco/SouthBank (about 1900 units )
That's not a crazy number. Once filled up, there would still be PLENTY of room for additional absorption. Those broader three submarkets are less dense than Riverside. And every one of those submarkets have easy interstate highway access to the major employment centers in Jacksonville- Southpoint, Town Center and to a lesser extent (in terms of employee count), Downtown. Even if you took the Southbank's boundary and swallowed up everything up to San Marco Square and carved out a little slice to include the Phillips Highway apartments... that's a lower population density than Downtown Sarasota, which has no interstate highway access and has less office workers. A bit of an oranges to tangerine comparison, but it makes the point.
Not to disagree with you because I don't, but yes, it's not ambitious compared to say Orlando, or even other major Florida cities, but it's ambitious for Jacksonville in which 10 to 20 years ago nothing was going on...AT ALL.
It's something to keep in mind when comparing to perceived peer communities. If there are places you think are ahead of DT in terms of vibrancy, density, height, population, etc., even with the projects underway and proposed locally, that gulf is still widening. So hopefully, no resting on our laurels here. We still have lots of work to do.
They're currently building an apartment building in DT Orlando with 1,000 units just in the one building so yeah we have a long way to go
This article seemed relevant. I wish they'd break it up by individual neighborhoods like the Northbank, LaVilla, Brooklyn, etc. I feel like 10,000 residents in each downtown district would mean a lot more than 10,000 residents spanning the entire 4 square mile area from the sports complex to Brooklyn. Durkeeville isn't even 2 square miles and has over 10k residents
QuoteIt wasn't that long ago that there were very few residents – and a limited number of places available to rent – in Jacksonville's urban core.
But these days both the number of downtown residents and the number of apartment units are trending upward.
https://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2021/08/26/downtown-apartments-and-residents-both-growing.html
1800 completed units seems pretty ambitious for "xaJ"
Has now been closed for one month.
A "two to three week" floor repair has turned into a social media post saying "closed throughout the summer."
Doesn't look like any work is actively taking place.
I sure hope we don't lose this one too.
^That would be devastating. It's one of the few (the other being bellwether) actual nice lunch places that we take out of town people to for work.
Quote from: Joey Mackey on June 28, 2024, 07:08:38 PM
^It's one of the few (the other being bellwether) actual nice lunch places that we take out of town people to for work.
Same. When taking clients and out of town coworkers out for lunch, we used to rotate between Cowford, Black Sheep, Olio, Candy Apple, Bellwether, and later Bread & Board. When it was just grabbing a quick lunch with the team, it was Jumpin Jax, or Magnificat, or Zodiak Grill, or Burrito Gallery. All gone, except Belli. Kinda wild that so much damage has been done in recent years that it'll be a win for the mayor to get us back to the booming 2019s by end of first term.
^We need more people in the Northbank. The 3Cs are very important. Blowing up the Landing was a huge mistake, as it still drew more people into that portion of the Northbank than anyone else. COVID and companies like VyStar allowing their employees to not be in the office everyday also doesn't help. Everyone suffers with less foot traffic. Its a new day and downtown Jax will have to adapt to the current and future market conditions. Nevertheless, B&B plans to reopen in September.
Quote from: Ken_FSU on June 28, 2024, 09:43:14 PM
Quote from: Joey Mackey on June 28, 2024, 07:08:38 PM
^It's one of the few (the other being bellwether) actual nice lunch places that we take out of town people to for work.
Same. When taking clients and out of town coworkers out for lunch, we used to rotate between Cowford, Black Sheep, Olio, Candy Apple, Bellwether, and later Bread & Board. When it was just grabbing a quick lunch with the team, it was Jumpin Jax, or Magnificat, or Zodiak Grill, or Burrito Gallery. All gone, except Belli. Kinda wild that so much damage has been done in recent years that it'll be a win for the mayor to get us back to the booming 2019s by end of first term.
^ I believe a correction may be in order as Cowford is still open based on a check of their website.
Somebody Downtown needs to package restaurants and parking with cultural events such as the symphony, Broadway series, Florida Theater, MOCA, etc. Maybe even connect with transit to the sporting venues or a sunset ride on the River Taxi, too. There is no imaginative marketing of all that Downtown might offer.... a huge missed opportunity for everyone. When I go to a cultural event, I end up in San Marco for dinner first, not Downtown. Where is DIA, DVI, Visitors Bureau, etc.?
Quote from: jaxlongtimer on June 29, 2024, 12:08:10 AM
Quote from: Ken_FSU on June 28, 2024, 09:43:14 PM
Quote from: Joey Mackey on June 28, 2024, 07:08:38 PM
^It's one of the few (the other being bellwether) actual nice lunch places that we take out of town people to for work.
Same. When taking clients and out of town coworkers out for lunch, we used to rotate between Cowford, Black Sheep, Olio, Candy Apple, Bellwether, and later Bread & Board. When it was just grabbing a quick lunch with the team, it was Jumpin Jax, or Magnificat, or Zodiak Grill, or Burrito Gallery. All gone, except Belli. Kinda wild that so much damage has been done in recent years that it'll be a win for the mayor to get us back to the booming 2019s by end of first term.
^ I believe a correction may be in order as Cowford is still open based on a check of their website.
Still open for dinner. Was talking lunch specifically. They discontinued lunch service in 2020.
Quote from: jaxlongtimer on June 29, 2024, 12:08:10 AM
There is no imaginative marketing of all that Downtown might offer.... a huge missed opportunity for everyone. When I go to a cultural event, I end up in San Marco for dinner first, not Downtown. Where is DIA, DVI, Visitors Bureau, etc.?
What imaginative marketing are Town Hall, Taverna, Matthew's, and Rue st Marc doing to draw you in? In the 20+ years that Matthew's has been open, i don't think i've seen a single advertisement for them. Matthew's and Cowford have valet, but Bellwether is easier to park at than all other San Marco options. I'd argue that Bellwether and Cowford are on par with everything except Matthews, so why don't you patronize the downtown options more? If you'd like downtown to be more successful, why don't you prioritize supporting the businesses?
Quote from: Captain Zissou on July 01, 2024, 09:41:49 AM
Quote from: jaxlongtimer on June 29, 2024, 12:08:10 AM
There is no imaginative marketing of all that Downtown might offer.... a huge missed opportunity for everyone. When I go to a cultural event, I end up in San Marco for dinner first, not Downtown. Where is DIA, DVI, Visitors Bureau, etc.?
What imaginative marketing are Town Hall, Taverna, Matthew's, and Rue st Marc doing to draw you in? In the 20+ years that Matthew's has been open, i don't think i've seen a single advertisement for them. Matthew's and Cowford have valet, but Bellwether is easier to park at than all other San Marco options. I'd argue that Bellwether and Cowford are on par with everything except Matthews, so why don't you patronize the downtown options more? If you'd like downtown to be more successful, why don't you prioritize supporting the businesses?
Places outside downtown, as you note, don't need to market much because they don't need too. They have a built-in customer base due to their locations and perceived ease of access and security vs. Downtown. I am not saying the perception is accurate but, as the saying goes, "perception is reality."
So, if you want to overcome a less than robust perception, you need to market yourselves. If marketing wasn't beneficial, we would not have any promotions, advertising, etc. so it obviously works. You can stick your head in the sand and wait for perceptions to change but then you may be out of business as so many Downtown places have seen.
By the way, the San Marco Merchants Association does lots of marketing for San Marco Square and is responsible for engineering the current traffic flow, upgrading the streetscape, updating the landscaping and hosting lots of events during the year (such as fun runs, Xmas festivities, art festival, Fla-Ga weekend, etc.). I would call that imaginative marketing and don't think San Marco would be where it is today without those efforts, in part at least.
Downtown has advantages, as I suggested, with the cultural arts, the river, etc. and it is missing the boat not to exploit those. Without promotion, they will be greatly overlooked by much of the populace, as evidenced by the current state of affairs.
DIA finds The Bread & Board in default
https://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2024/10/07/dia-bread-board.html
I really liked this restaurant when they were in Riverside. Sad to see they've likely closed...
I agree. We did not go as often once they moved, but would still get there every other month or so.
Has anyone heard any updates about the status of Bread & Board? At this point, I feel like they should be evicted (assuming they aren't paying rent) and replaced with another food option, hopefully in time to synergize with the new pizza/brew place that will open up down the street.
Quote from: Joey Mackey on January 14, 2025, 10:55:13 AM
Has anyone heard any updates about the status of Bread & Board? At this point, I feel like they should be evicted (assuming they aren't paying rent) and replaced with another food option, hopefully in time to synergize with the new pizza/brew place that will open up down the street.
There's a better chance that Fuddruckers opens at the demolished Jacksonville Landing than there is of Bread & Board reopening on the northbank. They've been in default of their DIA forgivable loans since October, and I believe VyStar may also be on the hook for either making good on the loan or finding a suitable replacement for Broad & Board. They've got a long history of unpaid bills, bounced paychecks, and burning partners and vendors (dating back to time in Portland). Before "closing for two weeks of repairs," they tricked their awesome downtown staff into helping them break down the restaurant, before bouncing all of their final paychecks, turning off their phones, and refusing contact with them. Any talk of "reopening the restaurant" is likely just an attempt to kick the can on assuming responsibility for the the forgivable loans. A great spot that I really miss, but good riddance.
Quote from: Ken_FSU on January 14, 2025, 12:04:18 PM
A great spot that I really miss, but good riddance.
My sentiments exactly. I really liked their southern buttermilk chicken plate )':
Quote from: jax_hwy_engineer on January 14, 2025, 02:18:43 PM
Quote from: Ken_FSU on January 14, 2025, 12:04:18 PM
A great spot that I really miss, but good riddance.
My sentiments exactly. I really liked their southern buttermilk chicken plate )':
Ha ha hee.