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A brief list of downtown buildings, structures and landmarks that could end up becoming the next poorly maintained surface parking lot or grass field.
Read More: https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/downtown-jacksonvilles-most-endangered-buildings/
Thanks Ennis for spotlighting these buildings and the part of Jax history that goes with them. It's sad that we have lost so much of what has made Jax unique and continue to do so.
I often imagine what an attraction the City could have been if we had followed in the footsteps of cities like Charleston and Savannah - and how bustling Downtown could have been had we saved most of our historic buildings and repurposed them instead of demolishing them, often for vacant parking lots.
I don't think we have yet learned from our past mistakes.
Jacksonville's never going to move forward if it insists on living in the past. Take 'em all down so the developers will want to come in and design a sleek new city that EVERYONE can be proud of. We have to stop appreciating history - it's not progressive. Do we really want to be our great great great grandparents? Come on, people. Get woke.
#2 is available for a cool $2 mill
https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/937-N-Main-St-Jacksonville-FL/23048368/
I don't think you can make a serious argument that it 's worth $1 million.
Quote from: MusicMan on June 01, 2021, 09:35:04 PM
I don't think you can make a serious argument that it 's worth $1 million.
Nope.
Are there any pictures of the interior of the old Stanton School?
That looks prime for redevelopment.....
There are some pictures in this article:
https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/local/monthly-community-cleanups-underway-for-renovations-at-historic-old-stanton-high-school-local/77-7d7e28c4-4b41-49cb-8fdc-3a5e5a68ac59
From the article:
QuoteThe old school property dates back to 1868 and was originally bought as a school for freed slaves, but more than 150 years later, the building sits vacant and in a state of disrepair. A fence and chains close off the property, doors are boarded up, a torn condemned sign is outside the building, and the roof collapsed last year.
The group wants to renovate the entire building so it can house some of the businesses that used to be inside before the roof collapsed, including a daycare, dance theater, and business office, in addition to putting a new museum on the top floor.
"We have an architect in place, various engineers, and we have the structural engineers report," Davis said. "It's structurally sound."
"I'd like to see this building becoming historical, and I'd like to see it become a place of work, and play, and school," Lizzmore said
The inside of the three-floor building has black mold, shattered glass, and piles of glass on the floor.
Very typical for JAX. Annie Lytle, Riverside Ave. Fire Station, etc., etc.
Thank you!
Quote from: sandyshoes on May 31, 2021, 06:28:37 PM
Jacksonville's never going to move forward if it insists on living in the past. Take 'em all down so the developers will want to come in and design a sleek new city that EVERYONE can be proud of. We have to stop appreciating history - it's not progressive. Do we really want to be our great great great grandparents? Come on, people. Get woke.
Are you suggesting we should NOT make Jacksonville great great great again? ;D
Quote from: acme54321 on June 02, 2021, 11:48:19 AM
Quote from: MusicMan on June 01, 2021, 09:35:04 PM
I don't think you can make a serious argument that it 's worth $1 million.
Nope.
You may see a pattern in the asking prices of the owner's properties in the area and their current status.
Quote from: fsu813 on June 02, 2021, 09:53:06 PM
Quote from: acme54321 on June 02, 2021, 11:48:19 AM
Quote from: MusicMan on June 01, 2021, 09:35:04 PM
I don't think you can make a serious argument that it 's worth $1 million.
Nope.
You may see a pattern in the asking prices of the owner's properties in the area and their current status.
They're holding out for the market to turn man! Who wouldn't want an architectural gem that's had the facade altered beyond recognition located next to a pristine urban waterway and a beautiful parking structure habitated by meth heads and schizophrenics?!? Great investment opportunity!
Quote from: acme54321 on June 02, 2021, 10:29:50 PM
Quote from: fsu813 on June 02, 2021, 09:53:06 PM
Quote from: acme54321 on June 02, 2021, 11:48:19 AM
Quote from: MusicMan on June 01, 2021, 09:35:04 PM
I don't think you can make a serious argument that it 's worth $1 million.
Nope.
You may see a pattern in the asking prices of the owner's properties in the area and their current status.
They're holding out for the market to turn man! Who wouldn't want an architectural gem that's had the facade altered beyond recognition located next to a pristine urban waterway and a beautiful parking structure habitated by meth heads and schizophrenics?!? Great investment opportunity!
In fairness, the parking structure is planned to be a new affordable housing development:
https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/work-to-start-this-year-on-parkview-commons
$2 million would be reasonable for a "construction ready" product there, not what they are offering. Jacksonville is plagued by "investors" who purchase, never do anything , then propose unrealistic prices for properties that have deteriorated during their "stewardship.". I'd give 5 bucks if the Seller would describe everything they've done (to improve or stabilize the property) since purchasing the building. And how about an estimate for the environmental cleanup need in the immediate vicinity. Whose gonna pay for that?
The Seller overpaid for it back in 2006 and I guess they are, after owning it for 15 years, hoping to cut their losses. I can't imagine the small auxiliary bldg at the very far end is salvageable.
For further consideration, this building is 8 times larger than Elena Flats, which supposedly cost $3 million to renovate......
Quote from: MusicMan on June 03, 2021, 10:07:20 PM
$2 million would be reasonable for a "construction ready" product there, not what they are offering. Jacksonville is plagued by "investors" who purchase, never do anything , then propose unrealistic prices for properties that have deteriorated during their "stewardship.". I'd give 5 bucks if the Seller would describe everything they've done (to improve or stabilize the property) since purchasing the building. And how about an estimate for the environmental cleanup need in the immediate vicinity. Whose gonna pay for that?
The Seller overpaid for it back in 2006 and I guess they are, after owning it for 15 years, hoping to cut their losses. I can't imagine the small auxiliary bldg at the very far end is salvageable.
For further consideration, this building is 8 times larger than Elena Flats, which supposedly cost $3 million to renovate......
Can't use Elena Flats as a comp. The owners always spend ALOT of money on their historic renovation projects, far beyond what's required. They spent a million bucks renovating typical sized quad on East 6th Street in 2013 - I'm sure you recall home values then.
QuoteJacksonville is plagued by "investors" who purchase, never do anything , then propose unrealistic prices for properties that have deteriorated during their "stewardship.".
SOunds like the city of Jacksonville once they take a property for tax delinquency (or any other reason).
"Can't use Elena Flats as a comp. The owners always spend ALOT of money on their historic renovation projects, far beyond what's required. They spent a million bucks renovating typical sized quad on East 6th Street in 2013 - I'm sure you recall home values then."
I used EF cause it's similar in condition. Even if you spent half of their amount per square foot what would it be to renovate Claude Nolan?
$12 million? How about what the Weaver's did at John Gorrie? Use that as a comp.....
BTW Claude Nolan has no dedicated parking that I can see..... I take that back....there appears to be plenty of room for some surface parking to the right of the rear building. And it could also be demoed for even more room.
Quote from: MusicMan on June 06, 2021, 01:56:12 PM
BTW Claude Nolan has no dedicated parking that I can see.....
Bro, come on. It's Downtown Jax in 2021. We're using e-scooters and U2C over here. Cars are over.
Missing the sarcasm font? FYI the clown cars nor the scooters will be visiting this area. It's outside the "Dockless Mobility Zone" and the clown car route.
And FYI anyone paying those huge rent numbers at Helena Flats will most likely have a nice ride.