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Urban Thinking => Urban Issues => Topic started by: Kerry on March 11, 2020, 02:22:24 PM

Title: Buffalo Coming Back?
Post by: Kerry on March 11, 2020, 02:22:24 PM
Saw this article today.  Buffalo is usually mentioned in the context of "Well, at least we aren't Buffalo", but maybe that is no longer a good thing.

https://www.cnu.org/publicsquare/2020/03/10/how-brutalist-building-reviving-mid-sized-city?fbclid=IwAR1A99JCfsRZc9DzrpZFokJoAtyJuC59P6CrKa8_4pSe58G0v0yasiQ7KvM
Title: Re: Buffalo Coming Back?
Post by: Peter Griffin on March 11, 2020, 02:42:28 PM
Cool story, cool project, but this isn't even built yet
Title: Re: Buffalo Coming Back?
Post by: Kerry on March 11, 2020, 03:12:03 PM
Quote from: Peter Griffin on March 11, 2020, 02:42:28 PM
Cool story, cool project, but this isn't even built yet

Tenants started moving in last month.

https://www.wkbw.com/news/wny-development/seneca-one-developer-in-talks-with-several-companies-as-building-prepares-for-first-tenants
Title: Re: Buffalo Coming Back?
Post by: thelakelander on March 11, 2020, 05:50:57 PM
Cool story. I assume this tower was completely empty? Sounds like a larger version of what's going on with the Old Independent Life Building.
Title: Re: Buffalo Coming Back?
Post by: I-10east on March 11, 2020, 06:38:41 PM
That Buffalo skyscraper is not too bad (aesthetically) for a brutalist high rise. Brutalist architecture (IMO) is the worst that I can think of. Jax's A&T Building is definitely not easy on the eyes, even though that giant radar tower on top make it look pretty cool.
Title: Re: Buffalo Coming Back?
Post by: Kerry on March 12, 2020, 03:53:43 PM
Quote from: I-10east on March 11, 2020, 06:38:41 PM
That Buffalo skyscraper is not too bad (aesthetically) for a brutalist high rise. Brutalist architecture (IMO) is the worst that I can think of.

I can certainly agree with you on that.  One of the worst things about brutalism is that they usually located them in the center of large windswept concrete plazas that make retrofitting into something pedestrian friendly almost impossible.
Title: Re: Buffalo Coming Back?
Post by: Adam White on March 12, 2020, 04:47:57 PM
I'm not entirely convinced that building is brutalist. Not that it makes any difference, of course.
Title: Re: Buffalo Coming Back?
Post by: acme54321 on March 12, 2020, 09:44:27 PM
Quote from: Adam White on March 12, 2020, 04:47:57 PM
I'm not entirely convinced that building is brutalist. Not that it makes any difference, of course.

I was thinking the same but close enough.
Title: Re: Buffalo Coming Back?
Post by: Adam White on March 13, 2020, 07:09:06 AM
Quote from: acme54321 on March 12, 2020, 09:44:27 PM
Quote from: Adam White on March 12, 2020, 04:47:57 PM
I'm not entirely convinced that building is brutalist. Not that it makes any difference, of course.

I was thinking the same but close enough.

Looks like international style to me. I'm not architect, though. It does appear made of concrete, but the style isn't really brutalist.
Title: Re: Buffalo Coming Back?
Post by: bl8jaxnative on March 14, 2020, 02:06:59 PM

What's interesting about Buffalo is that it's it has some similarities to Jacksonville in terms of income, race, college education, etc.

As for the project, it'll be interesting to see what comes of it.  It's common for developers to have big plans that never get rolling.  And the buyer's property company has quite a few properties that they've owned for decades and done nothing with.  Don't be surprised if this doesn't pan out and in a decade it's still sitting empty.
Title: Re: Buffalo Coming Back?
Post by: Adam White on March 14, 2020, 04:53:32 PM
Quote from: bl8jaxnative on March 14, 2020, 02:06:59 PM

What's interesting about Buffalo is that it's it has some similarities to Jacksonville in terms of income, race, college education, etc.

As for the project, it'll be interesting to see what comes of it.  It's common for developers to have big plans that never get rolling.  And the buyer's property company has quite a few properties that they've owned for decades and done nothing with.  Don't be surprised if this doesn't pan out and in a decade it's still sitting empty.

My dad is from Buffalo. I haven't been there since the 80s, but I remember it being a really, really depressing (and depressed) city. Terrible place. I still have some cousins there and they've mentioned it's "rising" (the city's new strapline is "Buffalo Rising"). Seems to be having a bit of a rebirth, even if it's happening incrementally.

Title: Re: Buffalo Coming Back?
Post by: thelakelander on March 14, 2020, 05:18:08 PM
The majority of my family that moved north during the Great Migration, moved to Buffalo and Rochester. I haven't been there in 10 years, but it was more vibrant downtown in 2009 than downtown Jax is right now. Like most rust belt cities, it did have some neighborhoods that had seen better days.