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Construction could be in the near future for many Jacksonville commuters. In 2020, the Florida Department of Transportation plans to begin construction of the $148 million widening of Interstate 10. When complete in 2022, the highway will feature ten lanes between Interstates 95 and 295 through the Westside. Here is a look at what's proposed.
Read more: https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/ten-lanes-planned-for-interstate-10/
Apparently the use of tolled express lanes is not popular with Gov. DeSantis - some projects around the state will continue (like I-295 and I-4), some are bring converted to free lanes, and some are being shelved entirely.
Of course, FDOT will likely have to find billions for the new M-CORES projects, so some future money earmarked for urban areas may get diverted.
Not sure I'm on board with the retention ponds in LaVilla. This wouldn't be the first time FDOT stuck us with retention ponds in awful spaces (Unity Plaza, anyone).
If we would just urbanize the area around downtown we wouldn't need to build far-flung subdivisions that required 10 lane interstates to get people downtown.
If anyone thinks 10 lanes will reduce traffic congestion please show me 1 time it has ever worked.
No they won't reduce congestion if a building moratorium doesn't come along with it. However, it will funnel millions into the pockets of companies and workers involved with the construction of the project. It should enhance safety upgrading the highway to current design standards. At the end of the day, IMO, those are major underlying drivers for many of these infrastructure projects.
I'd like to personally thank FDOT for once again redoing this interchange (AGAIN) without soft barriers and adding another few lanes for Mrs. Daisy to cross over at the last minute because she doesn't realize that you can go N/S from either side of the split.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on August 28, 2019, 12:20:48 PM
I'd like to personally thank FDOT for once again redoing this interchange (AGAIN) without soft barriers and adding another few lanes for Mrs. Daisy to cross over at the last minute because she doesn't realize that you can go N/S from either side of the split.
No shit. I still don't know why there isn't a barrier that stops people from coming off of 17 and cutting far left or doing the opposite
I bet come 2023 they start construction in the area again to move the US 17 exit from the left to the right side of I-10 east, instead of idk, having done it during the last two times there was construction there.
Quote from: Sonic101 on August 28, 2019, 06:42:54 PM
I bet come 2023 they start construction in the area again to move the US 17 exit from the left to the right side of I-10 east, instead of idk, having done it during the last two times there was construction there.
They already tried that this go around and the residents weren't having any of it.
It seems to me that no matter how many lanes of traffic they have, they will shut down all lanes for 3 hours to investigate a fender bender in the far right lane.
This won't help as long as I-95 narrows from 7 lanes to 3 just north of Emerson. I don't understand why they made the capacity so huge only to drop it down to 3 lanes. I'm sure they will widen it soon, but it's a nightmare right now.
There's also a plan to widen I-95 from just north of Emerson to JTB:
https://www.moderncities.com/article/2017-apr-fdot-considering-expanding-southsides-i-95-to-10-lanes
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Quote from: Captain Zissou on August 29, 2019, 09:44:16 AM
This won't help as long as I-95 narrows from 7 lanes to 3 just north of Emerson. I don't understand why they made the capacity so huge only to drop it down to 3 lanes. I'm sure they will widen it soon, but it's a nightmare right now.
Seriously. I feel like they need to just merge a couple lanes earlier, line the C/D Road from the exits. Even shrinking it down 1 would help dramatically.
Never fear, Capt. Z, FDOT is planning to add Managed Lanes on I-95 from JTB to Atlantic Boulevard. Construction should start in Fiscal Year 2022/2023, at a cost of $325 million. They will start buying right-of-way this year, and continue for 3 years, for about $50 million.
http://nftpo.dtstiptool.com/report/temp/X5v7tQkc9u.pdf
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Quote from: Charles Hunter on August 29, 2019, 10:21:24 AM
Never fear, Capt. Z, FDOT is planning to add Managed Lanes on I-95 from JTB to Atlantic Boulevard. Construction should start in Fiscal Year 2022/2023, at a cost of $325 million. They will start buying right-of-way this year, and continue for 3 years, for about $50 million.
http://nftpo.dtstiptool.com/report/temp/X5v7tQkc9u.pdf
(I can't figure out how to display that page as an image.)
I like how the report project title is for "I-95 (SR 9) FROM J.T. BUTLER (SR 202) TO ATLANTIC BLVD" but the image is of I-295 from Atlantic to JTB, which is also a project they are working on.
Yeah, they have some editing - or maybe software - problems.
Oh cool. One of those interchanges that nobody will know how to use... The Wackos crowd will love this. Bye bye smokers video.
Hopefully, by then people will have driven the same layout on SR 200 and I-95 up in Nassau County. ;D
^It's statewide. A similar interchange just opened in Brevard County last month. Like roundabouts and LRT, people will eventually get used to them.
Quote from: thelakelander on August 29, 2019, 02:05:38 PM
^It's statewide. A similar interchange just opened in Brevard County last month. Like roundabouts and LRT, people will eventually get used to them.
If the folks in Brevard County and Manatee County can figure it out, I'm sure local folks can too. Heck, there's even two diverging diamond interchanges in Miami now. Of course driving on the wrong side of the road is nothing new there ;)
It will also be interesting to see how the "Peanut Intersection" in St. Augustine is handled by the Public. Look at the heat maps on Google Maps, even though it is not completed, it appears to help on the queue coming from the Beach to St. Augustine.
Quote from: thelakelander on August 29, 2019, 09:56:51 AM
There's also a plan to widen I-95 from just north of Emerson to JTB:
https://www.moderncities.com/article/2017-apr-fdot-considering-expanding-southsides-i-95-to-10-lanes
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However long it takes to complete this project, it can't take as long as getting your order at the Dunkin' Donuts slated for replacement by a retention pond.
Quote from: Kerry on August 28, 2019, 11:07:30 AM
If we would just urbanize the area around downtown we wouldn't need to build far-flung subdivisions that required 10 lane interstates to get people downtown.
If anyone thinks 10 lanes will reduce traffic congestion please show me 1 time it has ever worked.
WHat do you do when that's full? The region adding around 7500 housing units a year. That's refill the urban core in a year. Then what?
Quote from: bl8jaxnative on August 31, 2019, 01:22:41 PM
Quote from: Kerry on August 28, 2019, 11:07:30 AM
If we would just urbanize the area around downtown we wouldn't need to build far-flung subdivisions that required 10 lane interstates to get people downtown.
If anyone thinks 10 lanes will reduce traffic congestion please show me 1 time it has ever worked.
WHat do you do when that's full? The region adding around 7500 housing units a year. That's refill the urban core in a year. Then what?
Lol, 7500 units wouldn't fill the Urban Core.
I note that the diagram for "North of Emerson" shows putting up new sound walls just inches from the existing ones that are not all that old. Not only do we spend millions on new walls, we dispose of millions more in landscaping.
I am amazed at the lack of long term planning or visioning for even 10 years out that is not taken into account during FDOT projects. How many billions and interruptions to daily traffic life must we incur for these ridiculous "do overs" of walls, lanes, bridges and interchanges that sometimes are not even 10 to 15 years old, if that. This waste and inefficiency should be fertile ground for an investigative reporter.
The IRS figures the typical life of a commercial project is about 40 years. Can't we get even half that for the billions spent on our interstates? I think this is prima facie evidence that the projects are structured to ensure road builders have never ending work to enrich them and are not designed to truly serve the public good. That's on top of the fact that these projects bleed dollars from urban core and other non-interstate transportation projects.
I also note that politicos such as Curry and the City Council want detailed and accurate projections of school enrollment for the next 10 years but accept that FDOT experts, consultants and their types can't do the same for their Jacksonville area projects 8). The double standards...
Quote from: bl8jaxnative on August 31, 2019, 01:22:41 PM
Quote from: Kerry on August 28, 2019, 11:07:30 AM
If we would just urbanize the area around downtown we wouldn't need to build far-flung subdivisions that required 10 lane interstates to get people downtown.
If anyone thinks 10 lanes will reduce traffic congestion please show me 1 time it has ever worked.
WHat do you do when that's full? The region adding around 7500 housing units a year. That's refill the urban core in a year. Then what?
If Jax was populated at the density of Paris (considered by many to be the most liveable city in the world) everyone in Jax would live within 3 miles of The Landing. Just image all the tax and transportation savings.
If Jacksonville was as densely populated as Paris, there would be 350 murders per year instead of 130.
Quote from: Kerry on September 02, 2019, 10:36:25 AM
Quote from: bl8jaxnative on August 31, 2019, 01:22:41 PM
Quote from: Kerry on August 28, 2019, 11:07:30 AM
If we would just urbanize the area around downtown we wouldn't need to build far-flung subdivisions that required 10 lane interstates to get people downtown.
If anyone thinks 10 lanes will reduce traffic congestion please show me 1 time it has ever worked.
WHat do you do when that's full? The region adding around 7500 housing units a year. That's refill the urban core in a year. Then what?
If Jax was populated at the density of Paris (considered by many to be the most liveable city in the world) everyone in Jax would live within 3 miles of The Landing. Just image all the tax and transportation savings.
If only Jax would have been founded 2000 years ago...
Quote from: BridgeTroll on September 03, 2019, 09:30:50 AM
Quote from: Kerry on September 02, 2019, 10:36:25 AM
Quote from: bl8jaxnative on August 31, 2019, 01:22:41 PM
Quote from: Kerry on August 28, 2019, 11:07:30 AM
If we would just urbanize the area around downtown we wouldn't need to build far-flung subdivisions that required 10 lane interstates to get people downtown.
If anyone thinks 10 lanes will reduce traffic congestion please show me 1 time it has ever worked.
WHat do you do when that's full? The region adding around 7500 housing units a year. That's refill the urban core in a year. Then what?
If Jax was populated at the density of Paris (considered by many to be the most liveable city in the world) everyone in Jax would live within 3 miles of The Landing. Just image all the tax and transportation savings.
If only Jax would have been founded 2000 years ago...
;D
Quote from: Snaketoz on September 02, 2019, 08:47:14 PM
If Jacksonville was as densely populated as Paris, there would be 350 murders per year instead of 130.
Actually, it would be closer to 70. Paris has a murder/attempted murder rate of 7.1 per 100,000 - and that includes terrorism murders/attempted murders.
Quote from: Kerry on September 03, 2019, 01:17:57 PM
Quote from: Snaketoz on September 02, 2019, 08:47:14 PM
If Jacksonville was as densely populated as Paris, there would be 350 murders per year instead of 130.
Actually, it would be closer to 70. Paris has a murder/attempted murder rate of 7.1 per 100,000 - and that includes terrorism murders/attempted murders.
Yeah, but Paris isn't Jacksonville. Jacksonville's murder rate in a city the size of Paris would mean an increase, not a decrease.
Quote from: Kerry on September 03, 2019, 01:17:57 PM
Quote from: Snaketoz on September 02, 2019, 08:47:14 PM
If Jacksonville was as densely populated as Paris, there would be 350 murders per year instead of 130.
Actually, it would be closer to 70. Paris has a murder/attempted murder rate of 7.1 per 100,000 - and that includes terrorism murders/attempted murders.
Only if Jacksonville were inhabited entirely by French citizens
Quote from: Snaketoz on September 03, 2019, 03:27:36 PM
Quote from: Kerry on September 03, 2019, 01:17:57 PM
Quote from: Snaketoz on September 02, 2019, 08:47:14 PM
If Jacksonville was as densely populated as Paris, there would be 350 murders per year instead of 130.
Actually, it would be closer to 70. Paris has a murder/attempted murder rate of 7.1 per 100,000 - and that includes terrorism murders/attempted murders.
Only if Jacksonville were inhabited entirely by French citizens
If Jacksonville were inhabited entirely by French citizens, we'd still be shelling out public subsidies to keep the Jaguars from moving to rival London.
Quote from: JBTripper on September 03, 2019, 10:17:13 PM
Quote from: Snaketoz on September 03, 2019, 03:27:36 PM
Quote from: Kerry on September 03, 2019, 01:17:57 PM
Quote from: Snaketoz on September 02, 2019, 08:47:14 PM
If Jacksonville was as densely populated as Paris, there would be 350 murders per year instead of 130.
Actually, it would be closer to 70. Paris has a murder/attempted murder rate of 7.1 per 100,000 - and that includes terrorism murders/attempted murders.
Only if Jacksonville were inhabited entirely by French citizens
If Jacksonville were inhabited entirely by French citizens, we'd still be shelling out public subsidies to keep the Jaguars from moving to rival London.
Not likely. The French prefer basketball and soccer. And snails.
Quote from: Adam White on September 03, 2019, 02:43:20 PM
Quote from: Kerry on September 03, 2019, 01:17:57 PM
Quote from: Snaketoz on September 02, 2019, 08:47:14 PM
If Jacksonville was as densely populated as Paris, there would be 350 murders per year instead of 130.
Actually, it would be closer to 70. Paris has a murder/attempted murder rate of 7.1 per 100,000 - and that includes terrorism murders/attempted murders.
Yeah, but Paris isn't Jacksonville. Jacksonville's murder rate in a city the size of Paris would mean an increase, not a decrease.
That assumes you don't believe the urban form plays a role in human behavior. I think it does.
Quote from: Kerry on September 04, 2019, 03:40:44 PM
Quote from: Adam White on September 03, 2019, 02:43:20 PM
Quote from: Kerry on September 03, 2019, 01:17:57 PM
Quote from: Snaketoz on September 02, 2019, 08:47:14 PM
If Jacksonville was as densely populated as Paris, there would be 350 murders per year instead of 130.
Actually, it would be closer to 70. Paris has a murder/attempted murder rate of 7.1 per 100,000 - and that includes terrorism murders/attempted murders.
Yeah, but Paris isn't Jacksonville. Jacksonville's murder rate in a city the size of Paris would mean an increase, not a decrease.
That assumes you don't believe the urban form plays a role in human behavior. I think it does.
So...to be clear...you are arguing that the size and other "urban" characteristics of Paris are DIRECTLY responsible for the lower crime rate? Seriously?
What would you say about other cities - cities larger than Paris - that have higher crime rates? Or cities larger than Jax that have higher crime rates?
Wouldn't it just be easier to admit you misunderstood the comment?
Quote from: Adam White on September 04, 2019, 05:17:21 PM
Quote from: Kerry on September 04, 2019, 03:40:44 PM
Quote from: Adam White on September 03, 2019, 02:43:20 PM
Quote from: Kerry on September 03, 2019, 01:17:57 PM
Quote from: Snaketoz on September 02, 2019, 08:47:14 PM
If Jacksonville was as densely populated as Paris, there would be 350 murders per year instead of 130.
Actually, it would be closer to 70. Paris has a murder/attempted murder rate of 7.1 per 100,000 - and that includes terrorism murders/attempted murders.
Yeah, but Paris isn't Jacksonville. Jacksonville's murder rate in a city the size of Paris would mean an increase, not a decrease.
That assumes you don't believe the urban form plays a role in human behavior. I think it does.
So...to be clear...you are arguing that the size and other "urban" characteristics of Paris are DIRECTLY responsible for the lower crime rate? Seriously?
What would you say about other cities - cities larger than Paris - that have higher crime rates? Or cities larger than Jax that have higher crime rates?
Wouldn't it just be easier to admit you misunderstood the comment?
Mexico City is denser than Paris. Clearly this means it has a lower crime rate.
A fun game is going back to find the exact moment a thread gets "Kerry'd"