:o
https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/-welcome-to-rockville-festival-leaving-jacksonville/964541086
#JaxOnTheRise
Quick secret about successful downtown revitalization strategies......you get further must faster by adding to your existing assets and businesses as opposed to doing things that eliminate them. Right now we're writing a novel on what not to do.
Zero chance this comes back in 2021 like they're anticipating.
This is what happens when you elect a kakistocracy. Maybe we'll be in the running for a huge tractor pull now.
Jax is also dealing with Florida-Georgia negotiations too and the contract ends in 2021. Despite what was said in the Florida Times Union today, I've heard from a UGA friend that there are a lot of UGA power brokers that want to push for the series to be split between Atlanta and Jax. Frenette said the max capacity at Mercedes Benz is 8,000 seats lower than TIAA Bank's expanded capacity, but it's actually only 5,500 seats (going off National Title game capacity). That stadium is absurdly nice and there are better hotels, restaurants, and things to do in Atlanta. Jax is going to have to fight hard to keep the game full time, imo.
The Florida-Georgia game has been rumored to be close to changing venues many times, but it hasn't yet. I think the pressure to move it to Atlanta is going to get more intense. They have also talked of home and home games. Jacksonville needs to build-up downtown instead of tearing it down. I guess this will help lot J.
They outgrew the Stadium district. I can't be too upset with them, but boy this is a shame. Rockville was generally overpriced and the lineups had only a few nuggets in them that I relly liked as a rock/metal fan, but I did enjoy the 2 times I went and think it's a shame Jax is missing out on such a big fun outing.
Quote from: Peter Griffin on July 07, 2019, 02:43:35 PM
They outgrew the Stadium district. I can't be too upset with them, but boy this is a shame. Rockville was generally overpriced and the lineups had only a few nuggets in them that I relly liked as a rock/metal fan, but I did enjoy the 2 times I went and think it's a shame Jax is missing out on such a big fun outing.
It's a real shame - Jacksonville should be doing everything it can to not only keep stuff like this, but attract more. I know the lineups may be less than inspiring, but that seems the be the way it is with most festivals - you might find one or two or three bands you really want to see.
I will miss it... certainly not traveling to Daytona... >:(
Other than "tradition", what compelling argument can the City of Jacksonville make to keep the Florida/GA game from moving to Atlanta?
Quote from: Papa33 on July 08, 2019, 09:12:38 AM
Other than "tradition", what compelling argument can the City of Jacksonville make to keep the Florida/GA game from moving to Atlanta?
Slightly more seats than the Atlanta stadium, and potentially greater willingness to cut a deal favorable to the schools. That's about it.
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By the Numbers | What the loss of Welcome to Rockville means for Jacksonville
Here's a look at exactly what Jacksonville stands to lose when tens of thousands of people take several millions of dollars to Daytona.
Author: Harold Goodridge
Published: 12:57 PM EDT July 7, 2019
Updated: 1:09 PM EDT July 7, 2019
Just days after The Jacksonville Landing saw its last July 4th celebration, another finale was announced for downtown that will have a significant financial impact here.
Welcome to Rockville organizers announced Saturday that they're moving the multi-day festival to the newly renovated Daytona International Speedway citing downtown construction as a chief concern. Billed as the largest rock 'n' roll festival in the country, Jacksonville businesses need to brace for a loss of tens of thousands of people speeding more than $10 million during the event at Metropolitan Park.
The University of North Florida Public Opinion Research Laboratory conducted a study of the festival a few years ago detailing exactly what Jacksonville may lose as Welcome to Rockville leaves the Bold City after a 9-year run.
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https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/by-the-numbers-what-the-loss-of-welcome-to-rockville-means-for-jacksonville/77-3d4d6d87-c531-43f6-8511-0962ea028008
Interesting stats from the article: 40,000 people attended Welcome to Rockville according to the 2014 study. The festival said it was up to 50,000 in 2016. Estimated economic impact was $10.3 million, including $6.4 million directly to hotels. The promoters said this increased to $15 million in 2016.
I never went to this festival, but my nephew and his friends came almost every year. Not a good thing to lose.
#winning
Quote from: thelakelander on July 07, 2019, 12:57:38 AM
Quick secret about successful downtown revitalization strategies......you get further must faster by adding to your existing assets and businesses as opposed to doing things that eliminate them. Right now we're writing a novel on what not to do.
Well, I don't know what to tell you, but...
Yes, I'm being told that Average Joe's
does not have enough players
and will be forfeiting
the championship match.
It's a bold strategy, Cotton.
Let's see if it pays off for 'em.
Just playing Devil's Advocate. Seemed like mostly everyone was applauding the go ahead to tear down the Hart Bridge ramp for future development (which I'm fine with). Doing that obviously affected Rockville (unless there is some vast conspiracy that I don't know about). It's like damn if you do, damn if you don't....
I'm not 100 percent sold that Rockville will not come back to Jax. The speedway is a monsterous and formidable venue, but if we get it right with the infrastructure in the future, I can see Rockville coming back (the city and promoter aren't exactly on bad terms far as I know).
Metallica headlining.
https://www.jacksonville.com/entertainment/20191210/welcome-to-rockville-relocates-to-daytona-beach
Quote from: Ken_FSU on December 10, 2019, 01:42:39 PM
Metallica headlining.
https://www.jacksonville.com/entertainment/20191210/welcome-to-rockville-relocates-to-daytona-beach
Ouch.
^Don't worry, they're washed up. It's the 21st century now and we're winners. Big things are coming and the skyline is changing!
Don't know what was said, because of TU's paywall
Sadly...This will be the first year in many that I will not be going. Daytona just too far...
Quote from: I-10east on December 10, 2019, 06:14:40 PM
Don't know what was said, because of TU's paywall
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Metallica is a big get, but I don;t see much else in the lineup that stands out to me or which would make me want to see it if it were in Jax. I can see why they're doing it in Daytona, the whole area is gonna be all messed up with the Hart Bridge Expressway project being constructed next year
I hope it comes back, even if I do think a lot of the artists are metallic dad-rock/buttrock
Quote from: Peter Griffin on December 11, 2019, 03:09:32 PM
Metallica is a big get, but I don;t see much else in the lineup that stands out to me or which would make me want to see it if it were in Jax. I can see why they're doing it in Daytona, the whole area is gonna be all messed up with the Hart Bridge Expressway project being constructed next year
I hope it comes back, even if I do think a lot of the artists are metallic dad-rock/buttrock
I'm The Jaxson's chief critic of our city venues' tendency toward dad rock, so I'm with you. I've never been to Rockville and am not going to start now that it's in Daytona. But like you say, just because it's not for me doesn't mean it's not a big deal for a lot of people. Rockville was always huge and drew people from all over. One of my nephews from Bradenton goes every year with his friends. It's a real bummer to have lost a proven event.
^10,000 hotel rooms annually, up in smoke.
$15 million in local economic impact lost.
Can you imagine being a local hotelier? Not only are the bed taxes you collect potentially being used by the city to fund competing hotel development at Lot J/Shipyards, but the anticipated construction of said project has also caused 10,000 rooms to flee to Daytona.
Quote from: thelakelander on December 10, 2019, 02:50:25 PM
^Don't worry, they're washed up. It's the 21st century now and we're winners. Big things are coming and the skyline is changing!
#winning #JaxOnTheRise
Thanks for the tip NRW
It seems like not many cities in Florida got hit harder economically in the 2000's than Daytona Beach. Some of the main culprits for the downturn was NASCAR's waning popularity and the 2008 financial crisis. Here's the very dramatic roller coaster ride than Daytona Beach city's population has been going through. They have since rebounded greatly.
1990___61,921___14.3%
2000___ 64,112___ 3.5%
2010___61,005___-4.8%
2018___68,866___12.9%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daytona_Beach,_Florida
Daytona's numbers are deceiving. It's the urban core for coastal Volusia County. For years it was built out, so its new growth spilled out to adjacent suburbs with available land, particularly Ormond Beach, Port Orange and Deltona. Recent growth is occurring in newly annexed land along and west of I-95. Like Jax, the older core (in this case, most of Daytona east of Clyde Morris or Nova Rd) could use an economic shot in the arm.
Port Orange
1990___35,317___88.3%
2000___45,823___29.7%
2010___56,048___22.3%
2018___64,252___14.6%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Orange,_Florida
Ormond Beach
1990___29,721___38.6%
2000___36,301___22.5%
2010___36,301___5.1%
2018___43,475___14.0%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ormond_Beach,_Florida
Deltona
1990___50,828___223.5%
2000___69,543___ 36.8%
2010___85,182___22.5%
2018___91,951___7.9%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deltona,_Florida
Hopefully they'll come back to Jax. There in a good location to get both die hard fans from both Jax and Orlando which might persuade them to stay.
Quote from: thelakelander on December 12, 2019, 06:51:42 PM
Daytona's numbers are deceiving. It's the urban core for coastal Volusia County. For years it was built out, so its new growth spilled out to adjacent suburbs with available land, particularly Ormond Beach, Port Orange and Deltona. Recent growth is occurring in newly annexed land along and west of I-95. Like Jax, the older core (in this case, most of Daytona east of Clyde Morris or Nova Rd) could use an economic shot in the arm.
Port Orange
1990___35,317___88.3%
2000___45,823___29.7%
2010___56,048___22.3%
2018___64,252___14.6%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Orange,_Florida
Ormond Beach
1990___29,721___38.6%
2000___36,301___22.5%
2010___36,301___5.1%
2018___43,475___14.0%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ormond_Beach,_Florida
Deltona
1990___50,828___223.5%
2000___69,543___ 36.8%
2010___85,182___22.5%
2018___91,951___7.9%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deltona,_Florida
Thanks for the info.
Lineup for the next Welcome to Rockville just looks insane.
https://welcometorockville.com/
4 days, 5 stages, over 200,000 expected.
Quietly one of the absolute biggest losses incurred by the prior administration, all to make way for Lot J construction before the project was even approved.
With a four day festival, economic impact is likely at least double that of Florida Georgia.
Quote from: Ken_FSU on November 12, 2023, 11:53:35 PM
Lineup for the next Welcome to Rockville just looks insane.
https://welcometorockville.com/
4 days, 5 stages, over 200,000 expected.
Quietly one of the absolute biggest losses incurred by the prior administration, all to make way for Lot J construction before the project was even approved.
With a four day festival, economic impact is likely at least double that of Florida Georgia.
Used to go to Rockville and Warped.... I assume Warped no longer visits either
Hopefully the current administration fights to bring it back to Jacksonville. I'm sure Daytona will do whatever it takes it to keep it there though.
Quote from: iMarvin on November 13, 2023, 12:37:36 PM
Hopefully the current administration fights to bring it back to Jacksonville. I'm sure Daytona will do whatever it takes it to keep it there though.
The last Rockville held here only had 99,000 fans in 2019. Fast forward to 2021, that number jumped to 161,000 and is now expecting 200,000? Highly doubtful Jacksonville will ever get a music festival like that back again. Let alone do they even have a viable space that could even host 90+ bands. It sucks, but that's our reality.
^ This is part of the case for larger parks downtown or in the nearby urban core of 50, 100 or more acres. If we ever want a Super Bowl again, we will have this same issue as the old JEA power plant site on the Southbank and the former Shipyards were used in 2005 for hosting. Not anymore... with nothing of that size taking their place.
Quote from: jaxlongtimer on November 13, 2023, 11:14:50 PM
^ This is part of the case for larger parks downtown or in the nearby urban core of 50, 100 or more acres.
We have plenty of open space in the sports and entertainment district. Probably too much. We don't have the density of people or uses downtown to activate a new 100+ acre park. Between all of the riverfront parks and the stadium lots, there's already 100 acres of open space. I think we should design those spaces to have active uses 300+ days a year, but give them the flexibility to be integrated into a larger event a few times a year.
Quote from: jaxlongtimer on November 13, 2023, 11:14:50 PM
^ This is part of the case for larger parks downtown or in the nearby urban core of 50, 100 or more acres.
That's... a
lot of space to take out of an urban area. The infield at Daytona (where they're holding Rockville) not including the lake is 180 acres. I decided to try and map out how much downtown land you'd need to assemble a continuous 180-acre parcel:
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/847298939618590760/1174025430097985568/image0.jpg)
This, according to Google Maps, is 180 acres, or 4.6 square miles. It would require incorporating Shipyards West Park, Berkman Plaza 2, the Jail & Police Memorial Building, Sulzbacher, six blocks of the Cathedral District, the Historic Society, MOSH Genesis, the Four Seasons & Shipyards development, the existing Metropolitan Park, the Veterans Memorial, Lots J, D, P, M, E, Daily's Place, WJCT, the ponds next to Lot J and WJCT, and the little railcar housing on Adams St. You'd have to leave all of that as empty as the Daytona infield in order to try to maintain an equivalent amount of space.