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A three-story storage facility could be headed to a prime site on Murray Hill's Edgewood Avenue. The Murray Hill Preservation Association plans to hold community meeting on Monday, May 13th to discuss.
Read More: https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/storage-center-proposed-for-murray-hills-first-block/
Wow. What a terrible use for that property.
What an awful use of that space.
I wonder if a single person would support this use besides the ones proposing it.
It would be better if they were proposing something appropriate for first block at the same time instead of just being vacant for future development. I don't mind the storage being behind the first block businesses where the surface lot is now. I was hoping for a Luckys, trader Joe's or perhaps a chain hotel. Mixed use in that space though which includes storage, good infill on the Edgewood side and perhaps some apartments on the top level would be great.
There's a Change.org petition against this development as well as a community meeting next Monday at Fishweir at 7 P.M. I'll definitely be showing up speak against it. What a terrible use of space.
http://chng.it/Wshz8z27vc
A well designed hotel would also probably work there. I can't think of one decent hotel near Riverside, Avondale or Murray Hill.
Quote from: JeffreyS on May 07, 2019, 11:01:16 AM
It would be better if they were proposing something appropriate for first block at the same time instead of just being vacant for future development. I don't mind the storage being behind the first block businesses where the surface lot is now. I was hoping for a Luckys, trader Joe's or perhaps a chain hotel. Mixed use in that space though which includes storage, good infill on the Edgewood side and perhaps some apartments on the top level would be great.
I have always thought that a smaller grocery concept would be an ideal fit for that space.
https://sc-greenville.civicplus.com/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Item/4838?fileID=20347 (https://sc-greenville.civicplus.com/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Item/4838?fileID=20347)
Basement: interior parking
Ground foor: retail and co-work space
Top floor: rooftop event venue.
Middle floors: self-storage.
I'll give them this, at least they aren't proposing the entire lot be filled with a storage facility. Usually developers want to put their building smack dab in the center of whatever space they have and then surround it with parking and landscaping. They actually want to reduce the setbacks, reserve street-frontage for future use, and all but eliminate off-street parking. A storage facility isn't going to put sneakers on the sidewalk though.
Quote from: vicupstate on May 07, 2019, 01:15:55 PM
https://sc-greenville.civicplus.com/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Item/4838?fileID=20347 (https://sc-greenville.civicplus.com/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Item/4838?fileID=20347)
Basement: interior parking
Ground foor: retail and co-work space
Top floor: rooftop event venue.
Middle floors: self-storage.
That is fantastic
Quote from: SoudNoises on May 07, 2019, 11:21:44 AM
There's a Change.org petition against this development as well as a community meeting next Monday at Fishweir at 7 P.M. I'll definitely be showing up speak against it. What a terrible use of space.
http://chng.it/Wshz8z27vc
***MULTIPLE SOURCES HAVE SAID THAT TRADER JOE'S MADE OFFERS ON THIS LOCATION AND WERE TURNED DOWN FOR THE STORAGE UNITS.Has anybody else heard this? I think it would be an awesome get for Murray Hill, obviously. But it feels like wishful thinking to me.
Quote from: copperfiend on May 07, 2019, 04:12:44 PM
Quote from: SoudNoises on May 07, 2019, 11:21:44 AM
There's a Change.org petition against this development as well as a community meeting next Monday at Fishweir at 7 P.M. I'll definitely be showing up speak against it. What a terrible use of space.
http://chng.it/Wshz8z27vc
***MULTIPLE SOURCES HAVE SAID THAT TRADER JOE'S MADE OFFERS ON THIS LOCATION AND WERE TURNED DOWN FOR THE STORAGE UNITS.
Has anybody else heard this? I think it would be an awesome get for Murray Hill, obviously. But it feels like wishful thinking to me.
I'd seriously question the reliability of those multiple sources.
VEry, very hard to believe Trader Joe's would land on a street with the level of traffic as Edgewood Ave.
^That site has more visibility from US 17/Roosevelt Boulevard than Edgewood. However, I too have a hard time believing Trader Joe's made offers on that site.
Quote from: Tacachale on May 07, 2019, 04:14:31 PM
I'd seriously question the reliability of those multiple sources.
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Wait, is Self-Storage a permitted use there? If so, HUGE blunder by COJ's planning department. That will make it tougher for the opposition, but there are a few arguments to be made to deny the deviations. Based on a cursory review of the site plan and deviations, I can think of a good one. Is there a staff report yet?
Quote from: CityLife on May 08, 2019, 08:54:58 AM
Wait, is Self-Storage a permitted use there? If so, HUGE blunder by COJ's planning department. That will make it tougher for the opposition, but there are a few arguments to be made to deny the deviations. Based on a cursory review of the site plan and deviations, I can think of a good one. Is there a staff report yet?
The City would be much better served eliminating any regulation of usage, and just regulate the physical structure. The deviations such as reducing the setbacks, reduction in off-street parking requirements, the addition of on-street parking, and reserving space on the lot for future development along Edgewood are all good and should be encouraged everywhere. To be honest, I'm not really understanding why this would even be opposed.
TJs is not that far fetched. There are not many practical sites located on major roads that would also appeal to the Riverside/Murray Hill/Avondale/Ortega residents. This site has visibility to 17 as well as direct access to target neighborhoods via Edgewood Ave.
Quote from: Kerry on May 08, 2019, 09:33:11 AM
Quote from: CityLife on May 08, 2019, 08:54:58 AM
Wait, is Self-Storage a permitted use there? If so, HUGE blunder by COJ's planning department. That will make it tougher for the opposition, but there are a few arguments to be made to deny the deviations. Based on a cursory review of the site plan and deviations, I can think of a good one. Is there a staff report yet?
The City would be much better served eliminating any regulation of usage, and just regulate the physical structure. The deviations such as reducing the setbacks, reduction in off-street parking requirements, the addition of on-street parking, and reserving space on the lot for future development along Edgewood are all good and should be encouraged everywhere. To be honest, I'm not really understanding why this would even be opposed.
Long blank walls aren't condusive to walkability or urban design. My expectation is the 'future development' = 'more self storage'. They own the land and that is the business they are in.
Here's the developer's website.
QuoteSilverfield Development and its affiliates have invested in all spectrums of real estate including retail, office, self storage, land and multifamily properties. We have a strong portfolio of existing properties and are always looking for new opportunities to purchase or joint venture. Silverfield Development has access to capital and investment partners that allow us to consider deals of all sizes.
They also have local commercial and residential development experience: http://silverfieldgroup.com/
Quote from: vicupstate on May 08, 2019, 10:23:30 AM
Quote from: Kerry on May 08, 2019, 09:33:11 AM
Quote from: CityLife on May 08, 2019, 08:54:58 AM
Wait, is Self-Storage a permitted use there? If so, HUGE blunder by COJ's planning department. That will make it tougher for the opposition, but there are a few arguments to be made to deny the deviations. Based on a cursory review of the site plan and deviations, I can think of a good one. Is there a staff report yet?
The City would be much better served eliminating any regulation of usage, and just regulate the physical structure. The deviations such as reducing the setbacks, reduction in off-street parking requirements, the addition of on-street parking, and reserving space on the lot for future development along Edgewood are all good and should be encouraged everywhere. To be honest, I'm not really understanding why this would even be opposed.
Long blank walls aren't condusive to walkability or urban design. My expectation is the 'future development' = 'more self storage'. They own the land and that is the business they are in.
Long blank walls fall under the realm of regulating the physical structure. Just because it is a storage facility doesn't mean it has to have long blank walls. When they built the storage facility in Brooklyn they wanted to put the retail component against I-95. I asked them to move it to the corner and they did. That made a significant improvement. Also, the long blank wall isn't along Edgewood, it is along Plymouth and fronts railroad tracks, an off ramp, and the elevated over-pass of US19. And what is there now is essentially a large blank wall and poorly executed sidewalk.
As for what they have in mind for 'future development', who knows but at least they are keeping it open for now. If the future is more storage then we can have that battle then.
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^Depending on how one defines the site, Plymouth is more visible to 55,000 cars/trucks a day on Roosevelt than the 3,300 vehicles a day on Edgewood in that stretch. How the project addresses the street on both Edgewood and Plymouth (really Roosevelt) will be of equal importance.
Quote from: thelakelander on May 08, 2019, 11:18:30 AM
^Depending on how one defines the site, Plymouth is more visible to 55,000 cars/trucks a day on Roosevelt than the 3,300 vehicles a day on Edgewood in that stretch. How the project addresses the street on both Edgewood and Plymouth (really Roosevelt) will be of equal importance.
So what should be the primary function of the Murray Hill commercial district, provide services to the residents/businesses of Murray Hill neighborhood or the 55,000 cars a day passing by on Roosevelt?
I'm not arguing that a storage facility is the best use or what I would do if I owned it, but the choices are "oppose and try to stop it" and "make it the best damn storage facility in Jacksonville". My experience has been you are much better off spending your time making it the best possible storage facility. Leave NIMBYISM to the suburbanites.
Quote from: Kerry on May 08, 2019, 11:40:52 AM
So what should be the primary function of the Murray Hill commercial district, provide services to the residents/businesses of Murray Hill neighborhood or the 55,000 cars a day passing by on Roosevelt?
Actually.....both. Like Five Points, King Street, San Marco Square and 8th & Main, Edgewood's commercial district will fail if it only caters to residents that specifically live in Murray Hill. Businesses need all the visibility and foot traffic they can get. Ask Dreamette if there's a difference in the cash they get from Murray Hill residents verses someone from Fairfax, Avondale or Lackawanna. I'm 100% sure, they'd like as much green as they can get.
Look, I'm not personally making a case for or against the project. I'm just stating that how you treat the frontage on Plymouth is just as important as Edgewood. You have an opportunity to wrap the corner and extend good infill and redevelopment along Plymouth between Edgewood and Post. For the urbanist you claim to be, you don't appear to be looking at the area holistically. Plymouth/Roosevelt Boulevard has the same zoning as Edgewood. However, the traffic count and visibility for commercial is significantly higher. It reminds me a lot of the intersection of Lake Park Avenue and E 53rd Street along Metra in Chicago's Hyde Park. E 53rd is the neighborhood's Edgewood Avenue but Lake Park Avenue and the paralleling Metra tracks have a much higher traffic count and more visibility to passing eyes. How that situation (Lake Park Avenue being home to infill requiring higher traffic counts and visibility) has been handled and whatever you're arguing for sound like complete opposites. Regardless of whether its a self storage center, hotel, grocery store or whorehouse, how it interacts with the pedestrian realm and helps/or hinders Murray Hill's sense of place matters.
Quote from: Kerry on May 08, 2019, 11:40:52 AM
I'm not arguing that a storage facility is the best use or what I would do if I owned it, but the choices are "oppose and try to stop it" and "make it the best damn storage facility in Jacksonville". My experience has been you are much better off spending your time making it the best possible storage facility. Leave NIMBYISM to the suburbanites.
Now you're being like Brian Hughes and Mayor Curry and limiting yourself from the start.....Why? Perhaps there's a third or fourth option out there where the property owner, developer and residents win. Perhaps its a mixed use project with a storage facility. Maybe it's something totally different. Let's bring an open mind and creativity to the table.
I just don't see Plymouth being that big of deal. It is a residential street and some would argue that a storage facility is a good buffer between single family homes and a commercial street. Maybe if the overpass on 19 was removed you could make an argument but traffic is going by at +60mph. You can't even see that corner from Roosevelt until you have already passed the exit. Finally, you can't possibly think the frontage along Plymouth is as important as Edgewood. Plymouth fronts a railroad track and an expressway. There is nothing that could go in along Plymouth which caters to passer-bys that can't be found at Roosevelt Square 2 miles away (and they have parking for a thousand cars).
Like I said earlier, you aren't seeing things holistically. Plymouth is anything but a residential street. It has the same zoning classification as Edgewood and has been commercial in that stretch for at least 70 years. Just because you think it may not be much doesn't mean those in the Murray Hill should take the same position.
Sorry, you lost me at zoning. However, I do think I am looking at things holistically. Your contention seems to be that Murray Hill should focus on attracting people from outside Murray Hill. I think first and foremost, Murray Hill businesses should cater to the needs of local Murray Hill residents. The nearest storage facilities are on Lane Ave and downtown. Given the smaller home sizes and most of them either having a 1 car garage, or in most cases, no garage I got to suspect that most area residents are in favor of it (or don't care).
Quote from: Kerry on May 08, 2019, 03:49:55 PM
Sorry, you lost me at zoning. However, I do think I am looking at things holistically.
You just contradicted yourself if I lost you at something basic like zoning and land use. You can think or plan holistically without seriously considering zoning, land use and commercial visibility and access opportunities.
QuoteYour contention seems to be that Murray Hill should focus on attracting people from outside Murray Hill. I think first and foremost, Murray Hill businesses should cater to the needs of local Murray Hill residents.
That's not my contention. I'll leave how a business operates up to that business owner. Nevertheless, common sense says there's no Maple Street, Taco Bodega or Moon River keep their doors open if they only relied on the population base of only Murray Hill to support their operations. Anyway, my statement was, regardless of what goes on the property, it's just as important to get it right on Roosevelt/Plymouth as it is Edgewood Avenue. It's a prime corner and should be considered as having two front, high profile sides. In no way should Plymouth be treated as a throwaway street.
QuoteThe nearest storage facilities are on Lane Ave and downtown. Given the smaller home sizes and most of them either having a 1 car garage, or in most cases, no garage I got to suspect that most area residents are in favor of it (or don't care).
I'm not debating the merits of the use. I know that one man's trash is another man's treasure. Since people won't throw stuff away, the self-storage business is a booming $38 billion industry. Nevertheless, this does not mean you accept poor design at the pedestrian level on Plymouth.
Quote from: Kerry on May 08, 2019, 03:49:55 PM
Sorry, you lost me at zoning. However, I do think I am looking at things holistically. Your contention seems to be that Murray Hill should focus on attracting people from outside Murray Hill. I think first and foremost, Murray Hill businesses should cater to the needs of local Murray Hill residents. The nearest storage facilities are on Lane Ave and downtown. Given the smaller home sizes and most of them either having a 1 car garage, or in most cases, no garage I got to suspect that most area residents are in favor of it (or don't care).
There's a brand new storage facility on Edison by the I-95 and I-10 interchange. And another one at Myrtle and Forest. And an older one on Highway Ave near Edgewood.
Quote from: Live_Oak on May 08, 2019, 04:55:24 PM
Quote from: Kerry on May 08, 2019, 03:49:55 PM
Sorry, you lost me at zoning. However, I do think I am looking at things holistically. Your contention seems to be that Murray Hill should focus on attracting people from outside Murray Hill. I think first and foremost, Murray Hill businesses should cater to the needs of local Murray Hill residents. The nearest storage facilities are on Lane Ave and downtown. Given the smaller home sizes and most of them either having a 1 car garage, or in most cases, no garage I got to suspect that most area residents are in favor of it (or don't care).
There's a brand new storage facility on Edison by the I-95 and I-10 interchange. And another one at Myrtle and Forest. And an older one on Highway Ave near Edgewood.
Come on, Kerry. You could have seen two of these from your old apartment. Do better.
When I see a post from Kerry I think of this clip from Airplane:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn0WdJx-Wkw
This project has potential to extend the commercial corridor down Plymouth all the way to the little strip that has 5-Star, a salon, some other stuff and whatever bar is there now with proper development.
A large building there without any street level activity is no different than the parking lot that's there now. And could exponentially make it worse depending on the final design. I'm not even against a storage facility. The neighborhood could actually use one a little closer due to the amount of small bungalows and rental properties in general, but that doesn't mean that you can't design a building that has storage on the 2nd/3rd floor and storefronts at street level.
And I think that's where a lot of people are getting all twisted up - the images circulating are of your typical box, glass storage facility, and that might be the plan, but the fact that it's a new building means that they're not limited to fitting something into a shell.
I've been trying to approach this with a view of 'what else would be a better option', and my biggest issue is that I personally can't think of any alternative ideas that I feel would flourish.
QuoteThis project has potential to extend the commercial corridor down Plymouth all the way to the little strip that has 5-Star, a salon, some other stuff and whatever bar is there now with proper development.
A large building there without any street level activity is no different than the parking lot that's there now. And could exponentially make it worse depending on the final design. I'm not even against a storage facility. The neighborhood could actually use one a little closer due to the amount of small bungalows and rental properties in general, but that doesn't mean that you can't design a building that has storage on the 2nd/3rd floor and storefronts at street level.
Bingo! Mixed-use storage centers are actually a thing now. This one is going up in Downtown Orlando right now. I may try and take a few pics on Sunday.
QuoteMy Neighborhood Storage Center
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Location: Southeast corner of Magnolia Avenue and Colonial Drive
Developer: Orlando-based Liberty Investment Properties Inc.
Cost: $20 million
Retail size: 12,000 square feet below a 92,000-square-foot storage center
Tenants: No leases signed
Status: Project groundbreaking was in late February; it's expected to wrap up before year's end.
Full article: https://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/news/2019/02/26/construction-update-3-downtown-orlando-retail.html
Some more examples:
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(http://www.bowdoinconstruction.com/images/projects/shops-at-300-needham-st/01_Shops_300Needham.jpg)
http://www.bowdoinconstruction.com/projects/rr-c-shops-at-300-needham-street
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Quote from: thelakelander on May 09, 2019, 02:28:00 PM
Mixed-use storage centers are actually a thing now.
Well, I'll be... Must be the suburbanite in me, but I never considered this a thing that actually happens. That's pretty impressive.
Quote from: vicupstate on May 07, 2019, 01:15:55 PM
https://sc-greenville.civicplus.com/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Item/4838?fileID=20347 (https://sc-greenville.civicplus.com/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Item/4838?fileID=20347)
Basement: interior parking
Ground foor: retail and co-work space
Top floor: rooftop event venue.
Middle floors: self-storage.
See this earlier post for the full plans of a mixed use with storage included.
How much would upgrading the train crossing to the silent version ost? I would love to see a hotel there.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on May 09, 2019, 08:59:06 AM
Quote from: Live_Oak on May 08, 2019, 04:55:24 PM
Quote from: Kerry on May 08, 2019, 03:49:55 PM
Sorry, you lost me at zoning. However, I do think I am looking at things holistically. Your contention seems to be that Murray Hill should focus on attracting people from outside Murray Hill. I think first and foremost, Murray Hill businesses should cater to the needs of local Murray Hill residents. The nearest storage facilities are on Lane Ave and downtown. Given the smaller home sizes and most of them either having a 1 car garage, or in most cases, no garage I got to suspect that most area residents are in favor of it (or don't care).
There's a brand new storage facility on Edison by the I-95 and I-10 interchange. And another one at Myrtle and Forest. And an older one on Highway Ave near Edgewood.
Come on, Kerry. You could have seen two of these from your old apartment. Do better.
Yea, they are downtown like I said. Brooklyn is part of downtown but grated the other is across I-95 from downtown by about 1000 feet.
If they could include ground floor retail with the storage unit then great. That would fall under my "Make it the best darn storage facility in Jax" option.
Quote from: JeffreyS on May 10, 2019, 01:09:01 PM
How much would upgrading the train crossing to the silent version ost? I would love to see a hotel there.
If not then this would happen every morning at a hotel
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Quote from: Kerry on May 08, 2019, 11:07:02 AM
Quote from: vicupstate on May 08, 2019, 10:23:30 AM
Quote from: Kerry on May 08, 2019, 09:33:11 AM
Quote from: CityLife on May 08, 2019, 08:54:58 AM
Wait, is Self-Storage a permitted use there? If so, HUGE blunder by COJ's planning department. That will make it tougher for the opposition, but there are a few arguments to be made to deny the deviations. Based on a cursory review of the site plan and deviations, I can think of a good one. Is there a staff report yet?
The City would be much better served eliminating any regulation of usage, and just regulate the physical structure. The deviations such as reducing the setbacks, reduction in off-street parking requirements, the addition of on-street parking, and reserving space on the lot for future development along Edgewood are all good and should be encouraged everywhere. To be honest, I'm not really understanding why this would even be opposed.
Long blank walls aren't condusive to walkability or urban design. My expectation is the 'future development' = 'more self storage'. They own the land and that is the business they are in.
Long blank walls fall under the realm of regulating the physical structure. Just because it is a storage facility doesn't mean it has to have long blank walls. When they built the storage facility in Brooklyn they wanted to put the retail component against I-95. I asked them to move it to the corner and they did. That made a significant improvement. Also, the long blank wall isn't along Edgewood, it is along Plymouth and fronts railroad tracks, an off ramp, and the elevated over-pass of US19. And what is there now is essentially a large blank wall and poorly executed sidewalk.
As for what they have in mind for 'future development', who knows but at least they are keeping it open for now. If the future is more storage then we can have that battle then.
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So glad I moved out of Murray Hill when I sensed the time would come to do so/not worth the drama,not worth engaging neighbors poorly versed on City Land Use intricacy.
Go for it
Great to know Murray Hill is a Thing,Now
Who is going tonight. Sounds like they are expecting a big crowd. It is a shame it could not be in a bigger venue.
I saw this on News4Jax. I wonder what exactly he means by this.
QuoteHe (Steve Orman, the commercial broker whose company is overseeing the project) adds there are misconceptions about the project and he's hoping to clear them up at Monday's meeting.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/jacksonville/murray-hill-storage-wars-heats-up-monday
What misconceptions??
Quote from: copperfiend on May 13, 2019, 12:41:42 PM
Who is going tonight. Sounds like they are expecting a big crowd. It is a shame it could not be in a bigger venue.
I saw this on News4Jax. I wonder what exactly he means by this.
QuoteHe (Steve Orman, the commercial broker whose company is overseeing the project) adds there are misconceptions about the project and he's hoping to clear them up at Monday's meeting.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/jacksonville/murray-hill-storage-wars-heats-up-monday
What misconceptions??
The biggest misconception... and by a wide margin... is the claim going around that Trader Joes wanted to put a grocery story in this location, and the owner instead chose to sell to a developer of a storage unit facility.
Definitely push for project improvement such as aggressive mixed use.
QuoteSteve Orman, the commercial broker whose company is overseeing the project disagrees. He wants to add more than 48,000 square feet of new retail space and more parking, with the storage facility in the back. Orman believes this will not detract from the neighborhood's character.
Is this a typo? 48,000 square feet of retail? No way. Maybe 4,800 square feet as a second phase in the outparcel indicated in the site plan at Edgewood and Plymouth?
Quote from: fieldafm on May 13, 2019, 01:00:19 PM
Quote from: copperfiend on May 13, 2019, 12:41:42 PM
Who is going tonight. Sounds like they are expecting a big crowd. It is a shame it could not be in a bigger venue.
I saw this on News4Jax. I wonder what exactly he means by this.
QuoteHe (Steve Orman, the commercial broker whose company is overseeing the project) adds there are misconceptions about the project and he's hoping to clear them up at Monday's meeting.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/jacksonville/murray-hill-storage-wars-heats-up-monday
What misconceptions??
The biggest misconception... and by a wide margin... is the claim going around that Trader Joes wanted to put a grocery story in this location, and the owner instead chose to sell to a developer of a storage unit facility.
Confirmed. Grocer rumor killed.
Quote from: thelakelander on May 13, 2019, 04:30:40 PM
QuoteSteve Orman, the commercial broker whose company is overseeing the project disagrees. He wants to add more than 48,000 square feet of new retail space and more parking, with the storage facility in the back. Orman believes this will not detract from the neighborhood's character.
Is this a typo? 48,000 square feet of retail? No way. Maybe 4,800 square feet as a second phase in the outparcel indicated in the site plan at Edgewood and Plymouth?
Confirmed. 48,000sf of retail was a typo. It's 4,800sf proposed at Edgewood and Plymouth and a self storage box behind it.
DCoop is designing the retail building. An architecture firm from outside Jax will design the self storage building. There are no concept drawings to show at this point.
COJ will not meet to discuss the project on May 24th. COJ needs more info from the applicant.
COJ meeting will be either June 7th or the 21st at 10am.
Steve Diebonow just stated that self storage is the best use for the property after a year and of half of listing. Real estate rep says lot size prohibits most types of uses.
The self storage building is expected to support the retail component. Retail leasing rates for new construction are more than Murray Hill's market can support.
The retail building and self storage building will be built at once.
Developer will meet with MHPA to show concept plans on June 3rd.
Not sure they really changed any minds. It seemed like most residents were not impressed by the attorney they sent.
And not having the plans available did not help.
We'll do this again in June.
It would have been better if Steve Diebenow could have at least shared some best practices examples of what they have proposed. A picture speaks a thousand words with a contextual setting and involved community like this. Professionally, I'd be surprised if they didn't already have a rough concept of what they have proposed. I'm also surprised they did not anticipate this kind of push back. It suggest even though being local, there's still a learning curve related to understanding the quirks of individual neighborhoods. Nevertheless, I'm not sure public buy in truly matters unless a logical and rational argument can be made to keep the desired administrative deviations from being granted. The zoning code is so jacked up and out-dated, it allows the use already.
I think Lake needs to craft an article titled "Is Murray Hill Ready for Storage Units?" as a homage to his article about the controversial car wash that opened in Springfield.
I watched last nights live stream of the meeting.
Seems like a good project, as the storage facility will front the railroad tracks & highway overpass (a difficult space), while new retail space will front Edgewood Ave (prime real estate). Plus additional parking spaces for everyone. Dcoop is a fantastic architectural firm, as well.
Send it over here to Springfield if Murray Hill doesn't want it : )
^If Springfield would be willing to change it's overlay along Main Street from CCG-S back to CCG-1, it would probably land a few. However, as of today, this is a use that is prohibited in CCG-S. I'm not necessarily opposed to a mixed use project with self storage on the upper level, although that concept is not being proposed in Murray Hill. A few of these projects look great in cities that have crafted zoning ordinances to regulate where they go and how they fit into their surroundings. Jax isn't there yet on a lot of uses when it comes to zoning.
I may have mentioned this in a thread a few years back, but one of the first places I ate at in Doral (this is way before we moved down here) was a Cuban restaurant called Sergio's. It is your standard suburban restaurant with setback and sea of parking, albeit with a longhorns on the outparcel. What's special about it? Sergio's has 4 floors of mini storage on top of its ground floor location. So if a restaurant+mini storage works in suburban Doral, it should work in an inner-ring suburb, right? (Granted Doral's pop density is probably higher than Murray Hill's)
https://www.google.com/maps/@25.7880747,-80.3368513,3a,75y,269.34h,81.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soF4V-5F0GKqIx0KPlekuxQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192