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QuoteThe company that developed OakLeaf Plantation in Duval and Clay counties is proposing another expansive neighborhood, this one in St. Johns with up to 10,700 residential units and 1.7 million square feet of commercial space.
The Hutson Companies, based in St. Augustine, submitted plans for review by the St. Johns River Water Management District to develop SilverLeaf, a master-planned community on 8,500 acres between County Road 210 and County Road 16A.
The developer is connecting those roadways by constructing 7.5 miles of roads, including a new street — SilverLeaf Parkway — and extending St. Johns Parkway farther south.
The community, which will take eight to 10 years to build-out, will start with three neighborhoods, said Kathy Merrow, Hutson's marketing manager.
Full article: https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/10-700-unit-community-planned-in-st-johns-county
EXCITING TIMES!
Maybe I was foolish but I was hoping they'd update their master plan to be a bit more 21st century multimodal and walkable. However, it looks like another development that will direct a bunch of traffic to a few clogged arterial roads. Forget about walking to the corner store!
Quote from: thelakelander on October 12, 2018, 09:42:52 AM
Forget about walking to the corner store!
You still can. Just wear some armor as you dodge traffic flying by at 55 MPH.
+10,000 residential units and 1.7 million square feet of new commercial space over a 10 year buildout. Imagine what downtown and the urban core would like like with that type of growth rate!
The trend for years has been that, especially if you have money, the corner store is coming to your front door.
Amazon has 1 hour delivery in some areas, 2 hr for groceries in a bunch of others. You don't need to bother with the drive thru thanks to delivery services like Uber Eats. Wayfair will deliver a new sofa to your door within days.
Dominoes has already delivered pizzas using drones.
The corner store is coming to your front door.
What a waste, how much is to much suburban sprawl. Time to organize and prevent this from ever being built.
Quote from: bl8jaxnative on October 12, 2018, 11:37:54 AM
The trend for years has been that, especially if you have money, the corner store is coming to your front door.
Amazon has 1 hour delivery in some areas, 2 hr for groceries in a bunch of others. You don't need to bother with the drive thru thanks to delivery services like Uber Eats. Wayfair will deliver a new sofa to your door within days.
Dominoes has already delivered pizzas using drones.
The corner store is coming to your front door.
Unfortunately, it's not reflected in the master site plan. If anything, the layout looks like a throwback to the 1990s.
Quote from: Snufflee on October 12, 2018, 11:47:44 AM
What a waste, how much is to much suburban sprawl. Time to organize and prevent this from ever being built.
the zoning was approved before the great recession.
Quote from: fsquid on October 16, 2018, 01:03:44 PM
Quote from: Snufflee on October 12, 2018, 11:47:44 AM
What a waste, how much is to much suburban sprawl. Time to organize and prevent this from ever being built.
the zoning was approved before the great recession.
Immaterial to me, organizing to prevent building can involve multiple methodologies regardless of zoning.
Quote from: Snufflee on October 16, 2018, 02:19:55 PM
Quote from: fsquid on October 16, 2018, 01:03:44 PM
Quote from: Snufflee on October 12, 2018, 11:47:44 AM
What a waste, how much is to much suburban sprawl. Time to organize and prevent this from ever being built.
the zoning was approved before the great recession.
Immaterial to me, organizing to prevent building can involve multiple methodologies regardless of zoning.
You can't exactly prevent building when it's already under construction, to the point of the first home closures expected within 3 months.
Quote from: thelakelander on October 12, 2018, 01:57:08 PM
Unfortunately, it's not reflected in the master site plan. If anything, the layout looks like a throwback to the 1990s.
Lake, as someone who lives very close to this project, and someone who has asked others who live around here about it, the general feeling is that they'd rather have nothing at all because they moved here and would like no one else to follow them. If you proposed a genuine urban development in that area, they might actually kneel over and die. Here's a quote from someone living near Silverleaf:
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St Johns County is going to look like Duval in a matter of years. More cheap housing being built to over crowd the area and ruin the rural atmosphere. Not to mention destroying animal habitats. The schools are nice now but will slowly develop but city issues in time. Nothing but a bunch of greedy developers destroying our way of life.
I remember posting a suggestion somewhere about improving the bus system and everyone went up in arms, similarly to that. The people who already live here don't want any development, and the people who would be moving into those houses want exactly what's being built.
It's a good thing for most St. Johns County residents (and, more importantly, the government) that their predecessors did not share that "I'm here, now shut the door." attitude.
Quote from: marcuscnelson on October 17, 2018, 12:32:41 AM
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St Johns County is going to look like Duval in a matter of years. More cheap housing being built to over crowd the area and ruin the rural atmosphere. Not to mention destroying animal habitats. The schools are nice now but will slowly develop but city issues in time. Nothing but a bunch of greedy developers destroying our way of life.
This comment made my day. "St Johns County is going to look like Duval in a matter of years?" Maybe if they invent a time machine and start importing an urban core and several decades worth of neighborhoods built in a wide variety of architectural styles." A "rural atmosphere?" They must have that time machine, as they're writing from 1985. "A bunch of greedy developers destroying our way of life?" Unless they live in downtown St. Augustine or one of the dwindling number of farms, who do they think built the development they live in currently?
The reality is that St. Johns County will continue looking like every other cheaply built, sprawling bedroom suburb in the country until it naturally ages and the pattern of white flight shifts to Nassau County, at which point it'll look like Orange Park.
This is type of suburban sprawl is happening everywhere in Florida. Orlando, Tampa, the Panhandle, the East Coast, Sarasota, you name it. Until the economics of land development, that is, until the price of adjacent undeveloped land is more expensive than infill, redevelopment, we wont see anything different.
People will continue to move to Florida for jobs, sun, and no state income. Our tax revenues are mostly based on property taxes, so every city and county in Florida needs sprawl to continue to grow.
It's not greedy developers people. It's the economics of it. Get used to it.
I do agree that more opportunities for trails, biking, running, health, etc. should be encouraged given the space. Those details wouldnt be seen on a Conceptual Site Plan at this scale.
I was thinking more of suburban development becoming more multimodal friendly and accessible. I've seen various suburban developments across the country change in terms of design, zoning, infrastructure placement and site development practices, etc. However, this master plan appears very 1990s and you can spot the problems it will have at build-out....many of which could be avoidable using tried and true best practices.
Quote from: Snufflee on October 16, 2018, 02:19:55 PM
Quote from: fsquid on October 16, 2018, 01:03:44 PM
Quote from: Snufflee on October 12, 2018, 11:47:44 AM
What a waste, how much is to much suburban sprawl. Time to organize and prevent this from ever being built.
the zoning was approved before the great recession.
Immaterial to me, organizing to prevent building can involve multiple methodologies regardless of zoning.
Antifa needs drones
Quote from: marcuscnelson on October 17, 2018, 12:32:41 AM
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St Johns County is going to look like Duval in a matter of years. More cheap housing being built to over crowd the area and ruin the rural atmosphere. Not to mention destroying animal habitats. The schools are nice now but will slowly develop but city issues in time. Nothing but a bunch of greedy developers destroying our way of life.
Maybe if they build enough garbage down there, people will move back to the urban core for the "quaint, peaceful, and relaxing lifestyle of the historic neighborhoods". I wouldn't want them, but with the herds these people move in, downtown could be full overnight.
Quote from: bill on November 10, 2018, 11:33:07 PM
Quote from: Snufflee on October 16, 2018, 02:19:55 PM
Quote from: fsquid on October 16, 2018, 01:03:44 PM
Quote from: Snufflee on October 12, 2018, 11:47:44 AM
What a waste, how much is to much suburban sprawl. Time to organize and prevent this from ever being built.
the zoning was approved before the great recession.
Immaterial to me, organizing to prevent building can involve multiple methodologies regardless of zoning.
Antifa needs drones
Are you seriously labeling developers 'fascists'?
Quote from: Captain Zissou on November 13, 2018, 09:39:03 AM
Maybe if they build enough garbage down there, people will move back to the urban core for the "quaint, peaceful, and relaxing lifestyle of the historic neighborhoods". I wouldn't want them, but with the herds these people move in, downtown could be full overnight.
You need to fix DCPS first.
A large part of the reason people move down here to SJC is because of the school district and its reputation. The county has done a decent job of creating this image of "quiet living on big suburban property
with #1 rated schools" and that's what fuels this growth here.
The people moving into these houses in Shearwater or Beachwalk or Rivertown or Nocatee have
zero interest in living near the urban core.
As fake as it is, at least Beachwalk is designed to be walkable and mixed use within its property. Definitely can't say the same thing about this project!
Quote from: marcuscnelson on November 13, 2018, 06:07:35 PM
Quote from: Captain Zissou on November 13, 2018, 09:39:03 AM
Maybe if they build enough garbage down there, people will move back to the urban core for the "quaint, peaceful, and relaxing lifestyle of the historic neighborhoods". I wouldn't want them, but with the herds these people move in, downtown could be full overnight.
You need to fix DCPS first.
A large part of the reason people move down here to SJC is because of the school district and its reputation. The county has done a decent job of creating this image of "quiet living on big suburban property with #1 rated schools" and that's what fuels this growth here.
The people moving into these houses in Shearwater or Beachwalk or Rivertown or Nocatee have zero interest in living near the urban core.
Sorry. Forgot to [Sarcasm] [/Sarcasm] my post.
Quote from: marcuscnelson on November 13, 2018, 06:07:35 PM
Quote from: Captain Zissou on November 13, 2018, 09:39:03 AM
Maybe if they build enough garbage down there, people will move back to the urban core for the "quaint, peaceful, and relaxing lifestyle of the historic neighborhoods". I wouldn't want them, but with the herds these people move in, downtown could be full overnight.
You need to fix DCPS first.
A large part of the reason people move down here to SJC is because of the school district and its reputation. The county has done a decent job of creating this image of "quiet living on big suburban property with #1 rated schools" and that's what fuels this growth here.
The people moving into these houses in Shearwater or Beachwalk or Rivertown or Nocatee have zero interest in living near the urban core.
Yep. When families move to town, most ask about two things first: Crime and Education. Unfortunately Duval doesn't do amazing in either front.
Ironically in our form of government, it's two things that the Mayor can have plausible deniability on.
Just something to consider, if you're looking for an example of what Silverleaf could turn out to be, just go to the Westside and check out Oakleaf Plantation. It's the same developer, and probably not by accident, they have a lot of the same characteristics. They have the exact same toll road (First Coast Expressway) running through/alongside it.
Whether Oakleaf is good or bad, that's up for debate, I guess.
Heard a commercial the other day for one of these mega developments touting that living there would relieve the homeowner of the traffic and congestion they deal with at their current mega-development. I just laughed.
My Brother in Law was an early partner with Pittman on the Oakleaf land.
Wrestled out of the hands of the Trust For Public Lands Brannon Chaffee Wildlife Mitigation Park under former Game & Fish Commission era.
I remember G&FC Clay county Officer Skip Truby coming to my office,an early warning that the 1800 acre TPL concept was under the gun.The 1800 acre Trust property noted in Brannon Chaffee (First Coast Beltway) proceedings.
Eventually one of the players would become my Brother in Law,I was invited to hunt the property,then known as "The Farm".
I knew of the political maneuvers at the time.....I had spent a giant portion of my life protecting cherished hunt/recreation lands faced with development;Jennings,Guana. No way would I even step foot on The Farm.
Trust For Public Lands would eventually see warm embrace by the Delaney administration.
Delaney,Horne,Thrasher and King on the Legislative level provided key support for Brannon/Chaffee/First Coast finally,after a period of skepticism by earlier Duval Delegation members,even in the face of lavish Lobster dinner lobbying efforts. Pass the butter!
Always interesting to see these landscape transformations occur as if by surprise to some.
Just imagine....... Oak Leaf empowered largely due to Trust For Public Lands involvement with Brannon Chaffee Florida Game and Fish Commission 1800 acre envisioned Mitigation Park ( First Coast Outer Beltway).
Don Pittman and a couple other investors ( including my Brother in Law) wrestle acreage out of Mitigation, Wildlife Officer Skip Trubey comes to my office in tears....but at least we negotiate Jennings State Forest.... Senator Jim King..... Thrasher..... Horne......
Silverleaf lands purchased by Pittman et al way back when, " Silver Leaf" a given long time ago.
Gaze at your belly buttons.Ancient News Lake.......
Was talking to someone from the St Johns County Chamber and apparently there's another major master-planned community on the same scale as SilverLeaf in the works in the southern end of the county around the SR 207 & 206 corridors near the Putnam County line. It's where the company from New York purchased a bunch of land a couple years ago.
Quote from: Zac T on June 17, 2021, 02:42:44 PM
Was talking to someone from the St Johns County Chamber and apparently there's another major master-planned community on the same scale as SilverLeaf in the works in the southern end of the county around the SR 207 & 206 corridors near the Putnam County line. It's where the company from New York purchased a bunch of land a couple years ago.
Parrish Farms?
Quote from: realestatejax on June 17, 2021, 04:11:40 PM
Quote from: Zac T on June 17, 2021, 02:42:44 PM
Was talking to someone from the St Johns County Chamber and apparently there's another major master-planned community on the same scale as SilverLeaf in the works in the southern end of the county around the SR 207 & 206 corridors near the Putnam County line. It's where the company from New York purchased a bunch of land a couple years ago.
Parrish Farms?
This one is different. The land kind of surrounds Parrish Farms and goes further south
We are headed toward one continuous city from Jacksonville to Miami and to Orlando and Tampa. How sad that we are losing what made Florida special and losing it in such big chunks so quickly. Kind of like watching the ice sheets of Antarctica and Greenland melt away :(