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Title: Major retail redevelopment eyed for St. Nicholas
Post by: Metro Jacksonville on January 03, 2018, 07:15:01 AM
Major retail redevelopment eyed for St. Nicholas

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With the opening of an interchange at I-95 and Atlantic Boulevard increasing access to San Marco and St. Nicholas, a major retail redevelopment project could be headed to St. Nicholas Town Center.

Read More: https://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2018-jan-major-retail-redevelopment-eyed-for-st-nicholas
Title: Re: Major retail redevelopment eyed for St. Nicholas
Post by: jaxnyc79 on January 03, 2018, 09:44:11 AM
It would be great to see the structures on the outparcels actually abutting the sidewalks on Beach Boulevard to create more of a pedestrian-accessible feel versus having street-fronting parking between the outparcel structures and the boulevard.  Perhaps what was done with the outparcels on Riverside Avenue in front of Fresh Market, could be done here. 
Title: Re: Major retail redevelopment eyed for St. Nicholas
Post by: thelakelander on January 03, 2018, 12:48:41 PM
Yes, that site has a lot of possibilities.  Given its location, it could become a real winner for St. Nicholas.
Title: Re: Major retail redevelopment eyed for St. Nicholas
Post by: vicupstate on January 03, 2018, 01:31:17 PM
This is great to see but I hope it doesn't kill the East San Marco Publix.   
Title: Re: Major retail redevelopment eyed for St. Nicholas
Post by: Transman on January 03, 2018, 07:01:25 PM
The property in East San Marco was purchased, I believe, around 2006 for top dollar at the height of the last boom.  The overlay district restricts the height and the project has a hard time making the numbers work.  You have to wonder if they could go higher with setbacks so it would be more pedestrian friendly and make the project work with more units.

This was done in Riverside with the townhouses on the street in front of VillaRiva blocking the high rise and making that project street friendly.  I hope someone does it.  It is one of those build it and they will come, maybe some will take the plunge.
Title: Re: Major retail redevelopment eyed for St. Nicholas
Post by: thelakelander on January 03, 2018, 07:29:59 PM
I don't believe height is the issue with East San Marco. More height would only increase the construction costs (especially if you have to add another garage level. Financially, the numbers don't work for the type of building product and cost for the purchase of the property in 2006. They need to find a way to reduce the construction costs.
Title: Re: Major retail redevelopment eyed for St. Nicholas
Post by: MusicMan on January 03, 2018, 10:48:31 PM
"They need to find a way to reduce construction costs."

I hear mud huts are making a comeback.

How about $26 million from the city in incentives? 
Title: Re: Major retail redevelopment eyed for St. Nicholas
Post by: vicupstate on January 04, 2018, 04:27:56 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on January 03, 2018, 07:29:59 PM
I don't believe height is the issue with East San Marco. More height would only increase the construction costs (especially if you have to add another garage level. Financially, the numbers don't work for the type of building product and cost for the purchase of the property in 2006. They need to find a way to reduce the construction costs.

How high can you go with those shipping containers?
Title: Re: Major retail redevelopment eyed for St. Nicholas
Post by: JPalmer on January 04, 2018, 11:37:19 AM
This is excellent news to hear as an area resident (Palmer Terrace). While St. Nicholas is close a proximity to a lot of great shopping and dining options, we have little in the neighborhood.  (Mudville, Hamburger May's and Havana Jax) none of which I frequently dine at.
Title: Re: Major retail redevelopment eyed for St. Nicholas
Post by: jaxnyc79 on January 04, 2018, 11:41:18 AM
Quote from: JPalmer on January 04, 2018, 11:37:19 AM
This is excellent news to hear as an area resident (Palmer Terrace). While St. Nicholas is close a proximity to a lot of great shopping and dining options, we have little in the neighborhood.  (Mudville, Hamburger May's and Havana Jax) none of which I frequently dine at.

Please advocate for some walkable designs to be incorporated into the redevelopment.  I think Southgate's redevelopment could be a great opportunity to create a classic, walkable Main Street situation in St. Nicholas, and really increase the appeal and destination quality of that area of Jax.
Title: Re: Major retail redevelopment eyed for St. Nicholas
Post by: ProjectMaximus on January 04, 2018, 06:58:19 PM
Wow this would be fantastic if, as others have said, they make it very welcoming to pedestrians on Beach. This has actually always been one of my top targets for redevelopment if I ever had the opportunity. Anyway those out parcels do a decent job of covering the sea of parking will just depend on the elevation. Man I'm excited for this area. One of my partners did several duplexes on Schumacher and I have nearly purchased two of those townhouses on Atherton. The Wave Center or whatever they call it was a bit ahead of its time but has done a good job of laying the first brick in this area.