Strange. I wonder what's the aversion to having any type of residential on the old Kmart site?
QuoteResidents of Neptune by the Sea sent the developer for a proposed mixed-use apartment complex in Neptune Beach back to the design board after they voiced a number of concerns during a public meeting last week.
The plans, made public last Tuesday, detail a 313-unit apartment complex and 10,000 square feet of retail space at the location of the shuttered K-Mart shopping center on 500 Atlantic Boulevard. Additional planned phases of the development included 4,000 square feet of retail space to the west of Lucky's Market, a 7,000 square-foot retail building close to Atlantic Boulevard and 20,000 square feet of either apartment units or retail space where marble contractor, the Belmari Showroom, is located.
Attorney Wyman Duggan, representing developer TriBridge Residential in the mixed-use complex, said residents' concerns were enough to convince to the company to change its plans, although he couldn't say what specific changes are being considered. He requested that the city delay the Community Development Board and City Council hearings on the project until January.
Neptune by the Sea is a residential neighborhood located just south of the proposed project. Clyde King, president of Neptune by the Sea Phase Three, said more than 35 residents attended the community meeting and unanimously opposed to the project.
He and other residents are against any kind of residential development going onto the property.
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2017-11-14/proposed-neptune-beach-luxury-apartments-change-design-after-residents-oppose
Quote from: thelakelander on November 14, 2017, 10:16:58 PM
Strange. I wonder what's the aversion to having any type of residential on the old Kmart site?
QuoteResidents of Neptune by the Sea sent the developer for a proposed mixed-use apartment complex in Neptune Beach back to the design board after they voiced a number of concerns during a public meeting last week.
The plans, made public last Tuesday, detail a 313-unit apartment complex and 10,000 square feet of retail space at the location of the shuttered K-Mart shopping center on 500 Atlantic Boulevard. Additional planned phases of the development included 4,000 square feet of retail space to the west of Lucky's Market, a 7,000 square-foot retail building close to Atlantic Boulevard and 20,000 square feet of either apartment units or retail space where marble contractor, the Belmari Showroom, is located.
Attorney Wyman Duggan, representing developer TriBridge Residential in the mixed-use complex, said residents' concerns were enough to convince to the company to change its plans, although he couldn't say what specific changes are being considered. He requested that the city delay the Community Development Board and City Council hearings on the project until January.
Neptune by the Sea is a residential neighborhood located just south of the proposed project. Clyde King, president of Neptune by the Sea Phase Three, said more than 35 residents attended the community meeting and unanimously opposed to the project.
He and other residents are against any kind of residential development going onto the property.
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2017-11-14/proposed-neptune-beach-luxury-apartments-change-design-after-residents-oppose
Does anyone know if the proposed project design is truly walkable/new urbanism? In my experience, projects billed as mixed-use in Jax are often a cobbling together of strip malls and generic apartment buildings, with cars and parking as the predominant design element.
Yeah, I'm curious about this myself. Any drawings or renderings been posted somewhere online I can look @?
Quote from: thelakelander on November 14, 2017, 10:16:58 PM
Strange. I wonder what's the aversion to having any type of residential on the old Kmart site?
QuoteResidents of Neptune by the Sea sent the developer for a proposed mixed-use apartment complex in Neptune Beach back to the design board after they voiced a number of concerns during a public meeting last week.
The plans, made public last Tuesday, detail a 313-unit apartment complex and 10,000 square feet of retail space at the location of the shuttered K-Mart shopping center on 500 Atlantic Boulevard. Additional planned phases of the development included 4,000 square feet of retail space to the west of Lucky's Market, a 7,000 square-foot retail building close to Atlantic Boulevard and 20,000 square feet of either apartment units or retail space where marble contractor, the Belmari Showroom, is located.
Attorney Wyman Duggan, representing developer TriBridge Residential in the mixed-use complex, said residents' concerns were enough to convince to the company to change its plans, although he couldn't say what specific changes are being considered. He requested that the city delay the Community Development Board and City Council hearings on the project until January.
Neptune by the Sea is a residential neighborhood located just south of the proposed project. Clyde King, president of Neptune by the Sea Phase Three, said more than 35 residents attended the community meeting and unanimously opposed to the project.
He and other residents are against any kind of residential development going onto the property.
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2017-11-14/proposed-neptune-beach-luxury-apartments-change-design-after-residents-oppose
I'd assume it's either an issue of traffic or concerns about apartment complexes - some might feel those cater to the 'wrong crowd'. I don't think Neptune Beach has a lot of apartment complexes, if memory serves.
I'd love to see some renderings - this could be very good for the city.
Wouldn't commercial result in more traffic?
Mostly likely the nearby 'owners' are opposed to an influx of 'renters'.
Quote from: thelakelander on November 15, 2017, 06:01:27 AM
Wouldn't commercial result in more traffic?
Maybe. But not more traffic than an empty shopping centre!
I think (as vicupstate says) that it's an issue with homeowners opposing renters.
The guy quoted in the article claims they don't want any type of residential. Instead, they want it to be a "town center" style commercial redevelopment. By "town center", I assume he means SJTC.
Quote from: thelakelander on November 15, 2017, 09:03:58 AM
The guy quoted in the article claims they don't want any type of residential. Instead, they want it to be a "town center" style commercial redevelopment. By "town center", I assume he means SJTC.
No, he's talking about the Beaches Town Center which is further up Atlantic Boulevard. That
is what should happen with that property; the long-term dream of most people from both Neptune and Atlantic Beach has been to extend it up past 3rd Street. But there's no reason it shouldn't include above-shop residential, except that folks are ornery. IMO, people at the beach don't understand enough about what makes for a good, walkable development for any proposed development to reach its full potential. It could easily just become a nicer looking strip mall. There's a reason both it and the residential development behind it is so poorly planned to begin with.
I was unhappy with the plan myself because it was so suburban apartment style. I think extending the retail up Atlantic would be amazing and this is the opportunity. However, again, there is no reason for residential not to be included in this as well.
There is an opportunity to create a nice streetscape if you pushed multifamily with ground floor retail up to Atlantic.
A little density would not necessarily be a bad thing.
Quote from: Tacachale on November 15, 2017, 11:55:02 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on November 15, 2017, 09:03:58 AM
The guy quoted in the article claims they don't want any type of residential. Instead, they want it to be a "town center" style commercial redevelopment. By "town center", I assume he means SJTC.
No, he's talking about the Beaches Town Center which is further up Atlantic Boulevard. That is what should happen with that property; the long-term dream of most people from both Neptune and Atlantic Beach has been to extend it up past 3rd Street. But there's no reason it shouldn't include above-shop residential, except that folks are ornery. IMO, people at the beach don't understand enough about what makes for a good, walkable development for any proposed development to reach its full potential. It could easily just become a nicer looking strip mall. There's a reason both it and the residential development behind it is so poorly planned to begin with.
Doubtful that's what he's talking about. NB and AB "residents" already complain about the traffic and parking issues with that area. This is basic NIMBY - they'd prefer no development at all.
Quote from: cline on November 15, 2017, 03:09:12 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on November 15, 2017, 11:55:02 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on November 15, 2017, 09:03:58 AM
The guy quoted in the article claims they don't want any type of residential. Instead, they want it to be a "town center" style commercial redevelopment. By "town center", I assume he means SJTC.
No, he's talking about the Beaches Town Center which is further up Atlantic Boulevard. That is what should happen with that property; the long-term dream of most people from both Neptune and Atlantic Beach has been to extend it up past 3rd Street. But there's no reason it shouldn't include above-shop residential, except that folks are ornery. IMO, people at the beach don't understand enough about what makes for a good, walkable development for any proposed development to reach its full potential. It could easily just become a nicer looking strip mall. There's a reason both it and the residential development behind it is so poorly planned to begin with.
Doubtful that's what he's talking about. NB and AB "residents" already complain about the traffic and parking issues with that area. This is basic NIMBY - they'd prefer no development at all.
In the article, the person quoted says "Extend the town center west, making it a walkable area that is a desired location and destination." That's a reference to the Beaches Town Center. However, like I say, folks at the Beach don't have a good understanding about what makes walkable places attractive in the first place. They don't understand that (for instance) the design of the arterials, autocentric strip malls, and limited access residential developments have more to do with the traffic than an apartment building.
Quote from: FlaBoy on November 15, 2017, 01:42:00 PM
I was unhappy with the plan myself because it was so suburban apartment style.
I didn't see it, but that doesn't surprise me. I guess it's telling that that was never mentioned as a problem with the design in the article.
Quote from: Tacachale on November 15, 2017, 03:25:24 PM
Quote from: FlaBoy on November 15, 2017, 01:42:00 PM
I was unhappy with the plan myself because it was so suburban apartment style.
I didn't see it, but that doesn't surprise me. I guess it's telling that that was never mentioned as a problem with the design in the article.
Very disappointing if this is suburban-style. Beautifully-designed, walkable, and village-style developments are happening all over the country. Do developers believe they can just come to Jax and dump on it, or do our zoning laws make it difficult to do something with pedestrian scale?
Quote from: FlaBoy on November 15, 2017, 01:42:00 PM
I was unhappy with the plan myself because it was so suburban apartment style. I think extending the retail up Atlantic would be amazing and this is the opportunity. However, again, there is no reason for residential not to be included in this as well.
Do you have site plans you can show?