Southside Construction Update - Fall 2017
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A brief look at the status of various projects under construction in and around Jacksonville's Edge City, the Southside, during fall 2017.
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Lofts of Deerwood Lake is open!!
We talked for years on this forum about whether IKEA would ever enter the Jacksonville market, with the overwhelming consensus being that we were at least a decade away from fitting the retailer's typical requirements.
Kinda blows my mind to see construction complete.
It's just one retailer, but can't but think that Jacksonville has really made some huge strides here in the last five years.
Cities like Nashville, San Antonio, Raleigh, New Orleans, and Oklahoma City are all supposedly so much better than Jacksonville, but they all don't have any IKEAs LOL. Just saying. Most midsized US cities are more than not much of the same IMO, with each having a few differing quirks here and there.
IKEA is basically already operating in the country's largest metros. Btw, Raleigh, Nashville and San Antonio are also gwtting new IKEA stores. Seems like Jax and some of the other regional metros are a part of their most recent expansion plan.
Quote from: thelakelander on November 09, 2017, 05:51:46 AM
IKEA is basically already operating in the country's largest metros. Btw, Raleigh, Nashville and San Antonio are also gwtting new IKEA stores. Seems like Jax and some of the other regional metros are a part of their most recent expansion plan.
Feels Over-rated...Just another big-box retailer in the 'burbs, folks.
But we got it first ;)
There is going to be some new construction at the southeast corner of Baymeadows Road East and R.G.E. Skinner Blvd. This is across the street from 18. Bay95 Shopping Center.
"Storage Facility, Dunkin Donuts, Culver's Restaurant, Firestone Auto Care and a Fast Food place yet unnamed."
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Parking lots, storage, Dunkin, fast food, a tire place, and more fast food...now that's some inspired development. I'm sure it will look lovely in 20 years.
Quote from: Jim on November 09, 2017, 09:40:34 AM
There is going to be some new construction at the southeast corner of Baymeadows Road East and R.G.E. Skinner Blvd. This is across the street from 18. Bay95 Shopping Center.
"Storage Facility, Dunkin Donuts, Culver's Restaurant, Firestone Auto Care and a Fast Food place yet unnamed."
Culver's is a decent fast casual (just a notch above fast food, anyway) hamburger joint from up north. Wisconsin based. Good place to eat, if you want something a hair better than the usual fast-food burger joints.
Quote from: Jim on November 09, 2017, 09:40:34 AM
There is going to be some new construction at the southeast corner of Baymeadows Road East and R.G.E. Skinner Blvd. This is across the street from 18. Bay95 Shopping Center.
"Storage Facility, Dunkin Donuts, Culver's Restaurant, Firestone Auto Care and a Fast Food place yet unnamed."
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Why does it seem as though Jacksonville parking lots are far bigger and more prominent than what I see in many other cities of comparable size? Is the zoning code forcing this? Also, are landscaping requirements much more meager than other cities in Florida?
It's no different. I work in Central Florida. Outside of a few isolated spots, it's all surface parking connected by roads that operate like congested parking lots down here.
Quote from: jaxnyc79 on November 09, 2017, 08:33:28 PM
Quote from: Jim on November 09, 2017, 09:40:34 AM
There is going to be some new construction at the southeast corner of Baymeadows Road East and R.G.E. Skinner Blvd. This is across the street from 18. Bay95 Shopping Center.
"Storage Facility, Dunkin Donuts, Culver's Restaurant, Firestone Auto Care and a Fast Food place yet unnamed."
(https://image.ibb.co/j8pKCb/Baymeadows_Skinner.jpg)
Why does it seem as though Jacksonville parking lots are far bigger and more prominent than what I see in many other cities of comparable size? Is the zoning code forcing this? Also, are landscaping requirements much more meager than other cities in Florida?
This project is 12 miles from the city core. How many cities of the size of Jax (or bigger) really hold down parking lot size? I just used the area tool in Google Earth and no city in the US fully tightens up suburban sprawl development parking this far out completely. Not even in New York or Los Angeles is it fully contained.
FYI: using that Google Earth tool, Berlin, Paris, Rome, etc...all fit inside that 12 miles radius for the most part. Rome could fit inside a 7 mile radius. 12 miles away from a city center is pretty far for most cities aside from Sao Paulo, Tokyo, London and other mega-cities.
Quote from: Jim on November 10, 2017, 02:07:08 AM
FYI: using that Google Earth tool, Berlin, Paris, Rome, etc...all fit inside that 12 miles radius for the most part. Rome could fit inside a 7 mile radius. 12 miles away from a city center is pretty far for most cities aside from Sao Paulo, Tokyo, London and other mega-cities.
Where is Jax's core? Tapestry Park?
I know you're joking but the core is basically the pre-consolidated city that was built to be walkable. It includes everything from Riverside, Murray Hill and Lackawanna to Downtown, Durkeeville, Springfield, Eastside and Brentwood. Basically the area labeled as #1 in the map below:
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Quote from: thelakelander on November 11, 2017, 10:05:54 AM
I know you're joking but the core is basically the pre-consolidated city that was built to be walkable. It includes everything from Riverside, Murray Hill and Lackawanna to Downtown, Durkeeville, Springfield, Eastside and Brentwood. Basically the area labeled as #1 in the map below:
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Yes, I was joking, but I like the map. One could argue that the core has been a moving target in Jax. Perhaps, in the continuous evolution of the city's existence, the core needs to shift closer to the region's most compelling natural asset: the Beach. A core at a bend in the river made sense once upon a time, but maybe makes sense no longer. If the regionally accepted core is now somewhere else, then should the city do more to create a cultural asset out of the area around Gate Parkway and Butler Blvd? Maybe new zoning and design standards? Ones that better balance pedestrian accessibility, placemaking, and the overall requirements of mobility? Maybe City Hall #2? Just food for thought.
Quote from: jaxnyc79 on November 11, 2017, 10:21:48 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on November 11, 2017, 10:05:54 AM
I know you're joking but the core is basically the pre-consolidated city that was built to be walkable. It includes everything from Riverside, Murray Hill and Lackawanna to Downtown, Durkeeville, Springfield, Eastside and Brentwood. Basically the area labeled as #1 in the map below:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Jacksonville_divisions.png)
Yes, I was joking, but I like the map. One could argue that the core has been a moving target in Jax. Perhaps, in the continuous evolution of the city's existence, the core needs to shift closer to the region's most compelling natural asset: the Beach. A core at a bend in the river made sense once upon a time, but maybe makes sense no longer. If the regionally accepted core is now somewhere else, then should the city do more to create a cultural asset out of the area around Gate Parkway and Butler Blvd? Maybe new zoning and design standards? Ones that better balance pedestrian accessibility, placemaking, and the overall requirements of mobility? Maybe City Hall #2? If City Council meetings were also held on a rotating basis in various other parts of the city that were easier to get to and easier for parking, I bet you'd see a spike in civic engagement...but maybe that's not a good thing? Just food for thought.
Quote from: jaxnyc79 on November 11, 2017, 10:21:48 AM
Yes, I was joking, but I like the map. One could argue that the core has been a moving target in Jax. Perhaps, in the continuous evolution of the city's existence, the core needs to shift closer to the region's most compelling natural asset: the Beach. A core at a bend in the river made sense once upon a time, but maybe makes sense no longer. If the regionally accepted core is now somewhere else, then should the city do more to create a cultural asset out of the area around Gate Parkway and Butler Blvd? Maybe new zoning and design standards? Ones that better balance pedestrian accessibility, placemaking, and the overall requirements of mobility? Maybe City Hall #2? Just food for thought.
I kind of agree. No, I don't think there's a need for a second "core" but I do agree that better zoning and design is necessary across the board and in particular dense focus points like the beaches and the St Johns TOWN CENTER area. iirc the original plans for the town center were actually pretty decent, and I've seen and visited many similar developments that actually held much closer to new urbanist/walkable designs and they are far more vibrant/walkable/livable. It's really a shame...
The historical core is still a core in how it serves the region economically. It's still NE Florida's premier business, logistics and industrial hub and densest section. With that said, our "one size fits all" overall zoning code should have been overhauled years ago. There are certain areas in the core and in the burbs, that should be more mixed-use and pedestrian scale than currently allowed.
I can't really recall a city our size in modern history relocating its core. Now if Jax were not consolidated, Town Center/South Point/Deerwood would be considered at best similar to Phoenix and Tempe/Mesa/Scottsdale but even that is pushing it...a lot.
Cores don't really shift all that much. They may grow outward a little but it's practically unheard of that it move altogether.
Town Center may be the retail core but that's about it. Logistically and from a land use perspective, it's a suburb and will pretty much always be.