You guys prepping yet?
I'm tempted to go out tonight and stock up before things get crazy, but it's still way too early to tell where she's gonna go.
I bought a generator today.
I've already seen and heard of people getting water. The current models make it seem like we shouldn't be complacent.
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I typically use these things as a reason to take a mini-vacay. It's too early for me to predict what I'll do at this point, but if it hits Jax I won't be in town.
I just made a Walmart run.
Water was almost entirely sold out except for one kind (even in a hurricane, nobody wants Aquafina).
D-batteries were totally sold out too.
I went from Mandarin to PV for a meeting this morning around 10. The Gate Parkway exit on JTB west was backed up all the way to 9-A due to people going to Costco. When I came back by at noon it was still backed up and cars were filling up the space behind the Town Center stores.
I stopped at a Big Lots at lunch and it had 5 pallets of water on the floor that were all picked down to their last layer.
Feeling the effects of Mathew last year and all the coverage of Harvey have gotten people to be proactive on prepping for this storm.
Just stopped in Publix to grab a late lunch.
1:30 PM, every register open, lines stretching into the aisles.
Glad to see people taking it seriously.
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Everybody's going to be pissed off when it totally misses Jax. And then it will return to business as usual and they won't take the next one seriously...
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on September 05, 2017, 03:17:10 PM
Quote from: Adam White on September 05, 2017, 02:30:28 PM
Everybody's going to be pissed off when it totally misses Jax.
Yeah, we will be so pissed if we don't hit get hit by a hurricane.
I worded that badly. I meant, "everybody's going to be pissed off that they spent a bunch of money preparing for nothing". And yeah - your logic is sound. But I remember back in 2003 or 2004 when we had a few close calls. People were bitching and moaning about that very thing. It's not the fact that they weren't being hit by a hurricane so much as it was that they were preparing for nothing.
Looks like I'll be spending 3 days in lock down at the Federal Reserve again.
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on September 05, 2017, 04:40:12 PM
Quote from: Adam White on September 05, 2017, 04:20:28 PM
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on September 05, 2017, 03:17:10 PM
Quote from: Adam White on September 05, 2017, 02:30:28 PM
Everybody's going to be pissed off when it totally misses Jax.
Yeah, we will be so pissed if we don't hit get hit by a hurricane.
I worded that badly. I meant, "everybody's going to be pissed off that they spent a bunch of money preparing for nothing". And yeah - your logic is sound. But I remember back in 2003 or 2004 when we had a few close calls. People were bitching and moaning about that very thing. It's not the fact that they weren't being hit by a hurricane so much as it was that they were preparing for nothing.
I think most of the bitching and moaning is done in jest. If not, they are morons with zero perspective. Wait a minute....we are talking about Americans, aren't we? Forget I said anything. Carry on.....
To be fair, that was back when Jax hadn't been hit by a hurricane in decades. I think maybe the one last year (it was last year, right?) changed people's perspective a bit. And facing the prospect of a hurricane while the whole Houston situation is still ongoing probably changes the dynamic a bit.
Praying for you guys that it stays off land
Gov Scott has a speech impediment. Cannot say the word "representative" among many others .
Quote from: Adam White on September 05, 2017, 04:20:28 PM
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on September 05, 2017, 03:17:10 PM
Quote from: Adam White on September 05, 2017, 02:30:28 PM
Everybody's going to be pissed off when it totally misses Jax.
Yeah, we will be so pissed if we don't hit get hit by a hurricane.
I worded that badly. I meant, "everybody's going to be pissed off that they spent a bunch of money preparing for nothing". And yeah - your logic is sound. But I remember back in 2003 or 2004 when we had a few close calls. People were bitching and moaning about that very thing. It's not the fact that they weren't being hit by a hurricane so much as it was that they were preparing for nothing.
I still remember the last time I was in Jax when a Hurricane was supposed to potentially hit. I think that must have been around 2003 / 2004. Man, the things I bought...(not large things but many smaller ones).
Was not really mad since - better safe than sorry, but not sure if Mum thought it was a good idea to send me afterwards. But I am sure they used everything up eventually ;)
ABC News' latest map has it skirting the Jax area out on the ocean but considering its size that would still be bad. Looks worse for South and Central Florida though. Still too early to tell but I keep my fingers crossed for y'all.
Hope it does a Matthews
Latest Euro model has it now coming straight up the center of the state pretty much. I think I saw where they UK one also pretty much in agreement. Truly worst case scenario.
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on September 07, 2017, 03:31:33 PM
Quote from: edjax on September 07, 2017, 03:06:10 PM
Latest Euro model has it now coming straight up the center of the state pretty much. I think I saw where they UK one also pretty much in agreement. Truly worst case scenario.
Yeah, just watched a simulation of that model with wind estimates running the length of the state. I wish I hadn't.
We are moving down there in three weeks and we're safe in Michigan, but we're scared s***less watching this. Not used to stressing things like this.
Quote from: TimmyB on September 07, 2017, 03:39:28 PM
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on September 07, 2017, 03:31:33 PM
Quote from: edjax on September 07, 2017, 03:06:10 PM
Latest Euro model has it now coming straight up the center of the state pretty much. I think I saw where they UK one also pretty much in agreement. Truly worst case scenario.
Yeah, just watched a simulation of that model with wind estimates running the length of the state. I wish I hadn't.
We are moving down there in three weeks and we're safe in Michigan, but we're scared s***less watching this. Not used to stressing things like this.
I've got a friend who moved down from Arkansas a few years ago. He's used to tornado weather, but he says these hurricanes freak him out more because he has a week or more to 'think about it'...
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Quote from: edjax on September 07, 2017, 03:06:10 PM
Latest Euro model has it now coming straight up the center of the state pretty much. I think I saw where they UK one also pretty much in agreement. Truly worst case scenario.
Yeah, just watched a simulation of that model with wind estimates running the length of the state. I wish I hadn't.
We are moving down there in three weeks and we're safe in Michigan, but we're scared s***less watching this. Not used to stressing things like this.
I've got a friend who moved down from Arkansas a few years ago. He's used to tornado weather, but he says these hurricanes freak him out more because he has a week or more to 'think about it'...
No doubt about that! It's very steal for us.
The positive is, we would have been down there already but we decided to save three months of rent and just live in our 5th wheel until the end of September. I'd probably be one of those poor folks stuck out on 75, trying to get to Atlanta right now.
I'm no meteorologist by no means, but what exactly is pushing Irma's prediction to the north after it hits South FL? Usually a cold front (or another type of front) or something is involved, but I didn't hear anything about a front clashing with Irma, changing her course. Any chance that this hurricane is gonna go into the Gulf of Mexico, or nah?
Quote from: I-10east on September 07, 2017, 04:31:02 PM
I'm no meteorologist by no means, but what exactly is pushing Irma's prediction to the north after it hits South FL? Usually a cold front (or another type of front) or something is involved, but I didn't hear anything about a front clashing with Irma, changing her course. Any chance that this hurricane is gonna go into the Gulf of Mexico, or nah?
There is a large cold front that hugs the Eastern seaboard from Maine all the way down, cuts through Florida about the middle of the state, and then goes all the way to Mexico through the Gulf. I'd post a picture but my third party hosting site just stopped providing that service for free to me.
The reason it felt noticably more "fall-y" this morning
Isn't a direct strike to the bottom of FL a rather good scenario for Jax? It would be significantly weakened by the time it gets to Jax if it goes over land up the state. Worst case for us seems to me to be if it turns north early and remains a cat. 4 and does what everyone thought Matthew would do.
Quote from: remc86007 on September 07, 2017, 08:50:47 PM
Isn't a direct strike to the bottom of FL a rather good scenario for Jax? It would be significantly weakened by the time it gets to Jax if it goes over land up the state. Worst case for us seems to me to be if it turns north early and remains a cat. 4 and does what everyone thought Matthew would do.
if the storm went up the middle of the state that would put Jax on the east side of the storm. Also, the warm wetlands in the middle of the state could help the storm maintain strength longer.
I've been in Daytona Beach this week for a conference. I'm heading out at 4am in the morning to briefly stop by the condo in Jax and then drive to either Nashville or Birmingham for a few days. Just ran into a guy checking in at the hotel. He was asking me about if the hotel was safe. Evidently, he's a reporter who just got to town. He's selecting to stay at the beach so he can get close to the storm. I told him good luck. This thing is too big of a monster for me to want to risk being caught on a sandbar come Saturday or Sunday.
Cat 3 or worse last thing on my mind would be a story but these reporters live dangerous lives looking for the story of a lifetime
Quote from: JaxAvondale on September 07, 2017, 09:02:58 PM
Quote from: remc86007 on September 07, 2017, 08:50:47 PM
Isn't a direct strike to the bottom of FL a rather good scenario for Jax? It would be significantly weakened by the time it gets to Jax if it goes over land up the state. Worst case for us seems to me to be if it turns north early and remains a cat. 4 and does what everyone thought Matthew would do.
if the storm went up the middle of the state that would put Jax on the east side of the storm. Also, the warm wetlands in the middle of the state could help the storm maintain strength longer.
Plus the storm is much wider than Florida, so if it moves up in the middle, the left and right are still over the ocean, so it's only partially over land.
Quote from: thelakelander on September 07, 2017, 09:10:43 PM
I've been in Daytona Beach this week for a conference. I'm heading out at 4am in the morning to briefly stop by the condo in Jax and then drive to either Nashville or Birmingham for a few days. Just ran into a guy checking in at the hotel. He was asking me about if the hotel was safe. Evidently, he's a reporter who just got to town. He's selecting to stay at the beach so he can get close to the storm. I told him good luck. This thing is too big of a monster for me to want to risk being caught on a sandbar come Saturday or Sunday.
Good luck with your drive !
Is traffic already as bad as you read on the news ? Read that it's already very congested in Central Florida and getting gas is becoming harder.
Quote from: TimmyB on September 07, 2017, 03:39:28 PM
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on September 07, 2017, 03:31:33 PM
Quote from: edjax on September 07, 2017, 03:06:10 PM
Latest Euro model has it now coming straight up the center of the state pretty much. I think I saw where they UK one also pretty much in agreement. Truly worst case scenario.
Yeah, just watched a simulation of that model with wind estimates running the length of the state. I wish I hadn't.
We are moving down there in three weeks and we're safe in Michigan, but we're scared s***less watching this. Not used to stressing things like this.
Jacksonville actually has a very low risk of getting hit by a major Hurricane (I believe due to the geography as Florida slants west and then in the Jacksonville area the coast starts to slant east again.
According to the NOAA, the return period for a major Hurricane is 40 years in Jacksonville (vs. 14 for Miami).
Wasn't the last major Hurricane to directly strike Jacksonville Dora in 1964 ?
http://www.hurricanecity.com/city/jacksonville.htm (http://www.hurricanecity.com/city/jacksonville.htm)
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Quote from: Gunnar on September 08, 2017, 04:34:40 AM
Jacksonville actually has a very low risk of getting hit by a major Hurricane (I believe due to the geography as Florida slants west and then in the Jacksonville area the coast starts to slant east again.
According to the NOAA, the return period for a major Hurricane is 40 years in Jacksonville (vs. 14 for Miami).
Wasn't the last major Hurricane to directly strike Jacksonville Dora in 1964 ?
Yup, that westward bend on the coast is what helps Jax. Far as I know, Dora was the last major hurricane.
We've been watching a lot of the local news to follow Irma. Me, and most of my family agree that Tim Deeghan is by far the best weatherman on local news. I am tiring of Rick Scott and Lenny Curry's dog and pony shows interrupting programming to hear themselves talk. I don't want my weather reports from a politician. I want to hear it from a weather professional.
Deegan is absolutely the best. By far the most measured.
Quote from: I-10east on September 09, 2017, 10:59:53 AM
Quote from: Gunnar on September 08, 2017, 04:34:40 AM
Jacksonville actually has a very low risk of getting hit by a major Hurricane (I believe due to the geography as Florida slants west and then in the Jacksonville area the coast starts to slant east again.
According to the NOAA, the return period for a major Hurricane is 40 years in Jacksonville (vs. 14 for Miami).
Wasn't the last major Hurricane to directly strike Jacksonville Dora in 1964 ?
Yup, that westward bend on the coast is what helps Jax. Far as I know, Dora was the last major hurricane.
With this in mind, I wonder what kind of effect a couple of bad hurricane seasons like this would have on Jacksonville's population. I could see South Floridians growing weary of the evacuations and the hassles, and I could see cities like Miami and Tampa becoming slightly less desirable places to move to. Part of Jax's value prop could wind up being that we have a lot of the advantages of Florida (no state income tax, beautiful beaches, good climate) without the risk of being in the bullseye of a terrible storm as frequently as other larger cities in FL.
People are slowly discovering Jacksonville. Hotel bookings are particularly high this year. We have an Airbnb and everyone from up north is amazed how cheap real estate is in Jacksonville. Time is on our side!
My little sister is stubbornly riding out the storm in Key West.
Something about her outdoor cats and chickens.
Not happy about this...
I figured that Irma was gonna go much more west than FLs east coast like they predicted earlier. It would've had to be something very significant opposing Irma to sharply veer up the east coast.
^Yeah, the late, slow turn isn't that surprising to me either. I cringe when I hear news people saying the slow turn is due to inertia though...
Quote from: KenFSU on September 09, 2017, 05:34:18 PM
Quote from: I-10east on September 09, 2017, 10:59:53 AM
Quote from: Gunnar on September 08, 2017, 04:34:40 AM
Jacksonville actually has a very low risk of getting hit by a major Hurricane (I believe due to the geography as Florida slants west and then in the Jacksonville area the coast starts to slant east again.
According to the NOAA, the return period for a major Hurricane is 40 years in Jacksonville (vs. 14 for Miami).
Wasn't the last major Hurricane to directly strike Jacksonville Dora in 1964 ?
Yup, that westward bend on the coast is what helps Jax. Far as I know, Dora was the last major hurricane.
With this in mind, I wonder what kind of effect a couple of bad hurricane seasons like this would have on Jacksonville's population. I could see South Floridians growing weary of the evacuations and the hassles, and I could see cities like Miami and Tampa becoming slightly less desirable places to move to. Part of Jax's value prop could wind up being that we have a lot of the advantages of Florida (no state income tax, beautiful beaches, good climate) without the risk of being in the bullseye of a terrible storm as frequently as other larger cities in FL.
You just mentioned all of the things that made us choose Jacksonville as our retirement destination. That, and the lack of tens of thousands of moronic tourists tearing up your town every week. ;)
Quote from: I-10east on September 09, 2017, 10:33:04 PM
I figured that Irma was gonna go much more west than FLs east coast like they predicted earlier. It would've had to be something very significant opposing Irma to sharply veer up the east coast.
Looks like that is going to happen, so a bigger threat for west coast FL towns than east coast towns.
I keep my fingers crossed that Jax and its people come out of this as unscathed as possible !
Quote from: Gunnar on September 10, 2017, 04:50:56 AM
Quote from: I-10east on September 09, 2017, 10:33:04 PM
I figured that Irma was gonna go much more west than FLs east coast like they predicted earlier. It would've had to be something very significant opposing Irma to sharply veer up the east coast.
Looks like that is going to happen, so a bigger threat for west coast FL towns than east coast towns.
I keep my fingers crossed that Jax and its people come out of this as unscathed as possible !
My parents are in Sarasota. My dad's 85 and my mother's mobility is limited, due to a stroke she had two years ago (she's 73). So while I'm glad that Jacksonville is likely to be spared, I really don't feel all that great at the moment.
Watching a live video in Miami. Why cant they take those cranes down prior to the storm? They will most likely fall and cause more damage.
They say it takes around two weeks to remove the super tall ones. So, they didn't have enough time. Here, I noticed construction workers removing a part of the tower crane at the MD Anderson cancer center construction site on Friday morning. Unlike the taller Miami cranes, that one is only around 10 stories or so.
I see, going be scary if one of those comes down on something with people in it. I guess its already windy in Jax, I see friends and family members posting videos already. Be safe out there .
Yes, it is pretty windy here. Some of the gusts are really, really strong feeling. I was driving my wife into work at UF health this morning and on the way back there were occasional gusts that moved the car almost out of the lane. Between the gusts and the unexpectedly deep puddles, I would avoid driving at this point.
My company has put up 4 live cameras. 2 on top of the Wells Fargo tower and 2 on top of the Metropolitan Lofts building.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpLX77He2tBBISbSGXj_T4Q
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on September 10, 2017, 12:44:25 PM
I see, going be scary if one of those comes down on something with people in it. I guess its already windy in Jax, I see friends and family members posting videos already. Be safe out there .
Well, Miami news cited the cranes as one of the reasons for mandatory evacuation of the area. So if you hung around you hopefully knew that risk. Apparently one has come down already, even though it had only suffered cat 1 winds at the time.
QuoteTwo cranes at Miami construction sites have snapped in Irma's howling winds
(http://www.miamiherald.com/news/weather/hurricane/m8ugfi/picture172420672/alternates/FREE_768/IMG_3127)
The boom of a crane at an under-construction apartment building in downtown Miami bent and collapsed in Hurricane Irma's heavy winds around 10:30 a.m. Sunday.
Hours later, the winds brought down a second crane at a condo tower in Miami's Edgewater neighborhood, roughly two miles north. A video posted on Twitter showed its boom dangling above the unfinished tower.
Full article: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/weather/hurricane/article172416297.html
I've been seeing some pretty wild Snaps and Tweets coming out of downtown.
LOTS of water in the CBD.
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Quote from: Gunnar on September 10, 2017, 04:50:56 AM
Quote from: I-10east on September 09, 2017, 10:33:04 PM
I figured that Irma was gonna go much more west than FLs east coast like they predicted earlier. It would've had to be something very significant opposing Irma to sharply veer up the east coast.
Looks like that is going to happen, so a bigger threat for west coast FL towns than east coast towns.
I keep my fingers crossed that Jax and its people come out of this as unscathed as possible !
My parents are in Sarasota. My dad's 85 and my mother's mobility is limited, due to a stroke she had two years ago (she's 73). So while I'm glad that Jacksonville is likely to be spared, I really don't feel all that great at the moment.
I hope they made it through fine and are doing well.
Fortunately for SW Florida, the storm went across northern Cuba first (unfortunately for them), so was it weakened noticeably (for wind load, wind velocity counts squared, so 160 instead of 130 mph winds mean 50% more wind load).
Still, the storm was strong enough as it was.
Quote from: KenFSU on September 11, 2017, 09:29:33 AM
I've been seeing some pretty wild Snaps and Tweets coming out of downtown.
LOTS of water in the CBD.
And water levels should rise with incoming high tide.
So how does it look for everyone - made it through well I hope.
A friend took this pic this morning:
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Here's a few more a friend just sent via text:
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Cities/Jacksonville/Miscellaneous/Hurricane-Irma-Images/i-bmW6vF3/0/e29d8652/L/IMG_22321-L.jpg)
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Quote from: Gunnar on September 11, 2017, 09:31:01 AM
Quote from: Adam White on September 10, 2017, 09:17:16 AM
Quote from: Gunnar on September 10, 2017, 04:50:56 AM
Quote from: I-10east on September 09, 2017, 10:33:04 PM
I figured that Irma was gonna go much more west than FLs east coast like they predicted earlier. It would've had to be something very significant opposing Irma to sharply veer up the east coast.
Looks like that is going to happen, so a bigger threat for west coast FL towns than east coast towns.
I keep my fingers crossed that Jax and its people come out of this as unscathed as possible !
My parents are in Sarasota. My dad's 85 and my mother's mobility is limited, due to a stroke she had two years ago (she's 73). So while I'm glad that Jacksonville is likely to be spared, I really don't feel all that great at the moment.
I hope they made it through fine and are doing well.
Fortunately for SW Florida, the storm went across northern Cuba first (unfortunately for them), so was it weakened noticeably (for wind load, wind velocity counts squared, so 160 instead of 130 mph winds mean 50% more wind load).
Still, the storm was strong enough as it was.
Thanks Gunnar. My sister said they're okay - no power or phone, apparently. Also, no real damage, so that's great. They were supposed to fly to Dublin on Thursday - not sure if that's still on, though.
I see Jax had some flooding. Kind of reminds me of Hurricane Frances in 2004. I remember Riverside was pretty flooded then.
I just saw on the weather channel that the St Johns went from not flooded at all to record flood stage overnight. That's insane, if true!
Quote from: TimmyB on September 11, 2017, 11:02:19 AM
I just saw on the weather channel that the St Johns went from not flooded at all to record food stage overnight. That's insane, if true!
We have officially exceeded hurricane Dora level flooding and it is excepted to keep rising as high tide comes in.
Hey everyone,
Here's a really good link from NOAA that shows the data from all of their flood stations. It's a really good tool to keep an eye on the flooding and whether areas are getting more or less water.
https://water.weather.gov/ahps2/index.php?wfo=jax
This screenshot of Springfield looking towards downtown was just sent to me:
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Where is the water level relative to the bulkhead at Commodore Point, or the Ford Assembly property?
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That's some serious flooding, hoping for a speedy recovery
It would really be interesting to have the flooded area shown on a map (e.g. Google maps) with the flood height.
Also: Seeing how close the Cowford Chophouse is to the river, are they flooded ? If yes, that would most likely delay their opening.
It's really surprising. The storm didn't hit Jax and it wasn't even a hurricane by that point - but the flooding seems a lot worse (at least in Riverside and downtown) that it was during Hurricane Matthew (which was a hurricane and came a lot closer). I remember when Hurricane Frances didn't hit Jax back in 2004 - Riverside flooded pretty badly (or so we thought at the time), but nothing like this.
Any of you weather guys have an explanation for why it was so bad this time? I assume the timing (vis a vis the tide) made the situation worse, but surely there are other factors at play?
Quote from: Adam White on September 12, 2017, 10:04:16 AM
It's really surprising. The storm didn't hit Jax and it wasn't even a hurricane by that point - but the flooding seems a lot worse (at least in Riverside and downtown) that it was during Hurricane Matthew (which was a hurricane and came a lot closer). I remember when Hurricane Frances didn't hit Jax back in 2004 - Riverside flooded pretty badly (or so we thought at the time), but nothing like this.
Any of you weather guys have an explanation for why it was so bad this time? I assume the timing (vis a vis the tide) made the situation worse, but surely there are other factors at play?
All the rain that got dumped further upriver flowed toward Jax (plus the massive rain we did get). Strong winds were coming from the south which pushed the water north. Add in high tide and you've got historic flooding in the downtown region were it is a choke point.
Quote from: Jim on September 12, 2017, 10:17:38 AM
Quote from: Adam White on September 12, 2017, 10:04:16 AM
It's really surprising. The storm didn't hit Jax and it wasn't even a hurricane by that point - but the flooding seems a lot worse (at least in Riverside and downtown) that it was during Hurricane Matthew (which was a hurricane and came a lot closer). I remember when Hurricane Frances didn't hit Jax back in 2004 - Riverside flooded pretty badly (or so we thought at the time), but nothing like this.
Any of you weather guys have an explanation for why it was so bad this time? I assume the timing (vis a vis the tide) made the situation worse, but surely there are other factors at play?
All the rain that got dumped further upriver flowed toward Jax (plus the massive rain we did get). Strong winds were coming from the south which pushed the water north. Add in high tide and you've got historic flooding in the downtown region were it is a choke point.
Thanks. It's really crazy. Is the city still flooded? All the pics I see online are from yesterday.
^Yes still lots of flooding. We had flooding already beginning in San Marco prior to Irma's arrival due to the Noreaster...there were crews pumping water out on Fri evening trying to alleviate the backup in anticipation of Irma.
Also, one of the people (reporter, meteorologist or maybe Curry lol) said Hurricane Jose was responsible for pushing water inland from the Atlantic and preventing the usual outflow.
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on September 12, 2017, 10:51:45 AM
Also, one of the people (reporter, meteorologist or maybe Curry lol) said Hurricane Jose was responsible for pushing water inland from the Atlantic and preventing the usual outflow.
Surely not? Hurricane Jose seems pretty far away (and weak) to do something like that.
Butterfly effect ?
Quote from: Jim on September 12, 2017, 10:17:38 AM
Quote from: Adam White on September 12, 2017, 10:04:16 AM
It's really surprising. The storm didn't hit Jax and it wasn't even a hurricane by that point - but the flooding seems a lot worse (at least in Riverside and downtown) that it was during Hurricane Matthew (which was a hurricane and came a lot closer). I remember when Hurricane Frances didn't hit Jax back in 2004 - Riverside flooded pretty badly (or so we thought at the time), but nothing like this.
Any of you weather guys have an explanation for why it was so bad this time? I assume the timing (vis a vis the tide) made the situation worse, but surely there are other factors at play?
All the rain that got dumped further upriver flowed toward Jax (plus the massive rain we did get). Strong winds were coming from the south which pushed the water north. Add in high tide and you've got historic flooding in the downtown region were it is a choke point.
The real reason is the noreaster we had two days before the storm. It was blowing hard for 48 hours packing water up river. THEN the storm came in and continued to pack in water, winds moved to South and quickly pushed all of that water back into downtown. If it wasn't for the noreaster it wouldnt have been anywhere near as bad, just regular San Marco/ Riverside flooding.
QuoteThe extent of the flooding in Jacksonville, driven by the hurricane's storm surge, heavy rains and high tides, "shocked" residents and officials alike, the governor said, adding, "So many areas that you would never have thought have flooded, have flooded."
Jacksonville, with 1.5 million people in its metropolitan area, is bisected by the St. Johns River and is heavily built up along its banks. Capt. Raymond Lutzen, 48, a Jacksonville firefighter on the region's Urban Search and Rescue Team, said that when the river swells and the city's storm drains clog, "it's like a bathtub with a plug in."
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/12/us/irma-jacksonville-florida.html
Shad Khan donated $1 million to Irma relief here in Jacksonville, along with 5,000 Jags tickets to first responders.
http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/jaguars-owner-shad-khan-to-donate-dollar1-million-for-irma-relief
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