A special prosecutor, former FBI head Robert Mueller, has been named to oversee an investigation of Russian interference in the US election. Most news organizations are leading with this, but Fox news has it as item 3 or 4. What a shock!
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Robert Mueller is the real deal. He was the former FBI Director under both President George W. Bush and President Barack Obama. Mueller has an outstanding reputation, and most importantly, is not connected to Donald Trump in any way.
A special counsel has been appointed that wasn't on the Trump campaign and has no ties to the administration. Mueller is the first truly independent investigator to look at the relationship between Trump and Russia.
http://www.politicususa.com/2017/05/17/day-trumps-russia-reckoning-arrived-robert-muller-appointed-special-counsel.html
Finally. Honestly, even the Palestinians are tired of all Trump, all the time. They have to have a starvation protest and burn a few extra tires to break through this silly media log jam on the guy.
Its like Wag the Dog in reverse.
Its beginning to block out reporting on other critical news around the world.
Its not about news either, its about ratings.
Colbert was getting killed in the ratings until he started going off on Trump like a psycho. Now the word is he has surpassed Jimmy Fallon, who doesnt like political jokes. The pressure is on for Fallon to make fun of Trump, well because your ratings depend on it!!
Too much noise, very little substance.
Hopefully Mueller can put some reality in play.
And what happens if he finds "nothing"?
It was a manufactured conspiracy!
Senators just came from a private meeting with the asst Attorney General with regard to the newly named Special Prosecutor. Senator Graham had this to say.
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) says that the probe into possible connections between Russia and President Trump's election "seems to be a criminal investigation now."
Trump-Russia probe now includes possible cover-up, Congress is told
WASHINGTON - Investigators into Russian meddling in the U.S. presidential elections are now also probing whether White House officials have engaged in a cover-up, according to members of Congress who were briefed Friday by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.
That avenue of investigation was added in recent weeks after assertions by former FBI Director James Comey that President Donald Trump had tried to dissuade him from pressing an investigation into the actions of Trump's first national security adviser, retired Army Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, members of Congress said, though it was not clear whom that part of the probe might target.
Even as members of Congress were mulling over the expansion of the case into possible cover-up, and its reclassification from counterintelligence to criminal, the scandal appeared to grow. The Washington Post reported Friday afternoon that federal investigators were looking at a senior White House official as a "significant person of interest." The article did not identify the official, though it noted that the person was "someone close to the president."
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-russia-probe-now-includes-possible-cover-up-congress-is-told/ar-BBBjwju?ocid=ob-fb-enus-280
Muh popular vote. Muh collusion. Muh resist. Muh impeachment.
I can only imagine the outrage that *certain* posters would be venting if it came to light that the Clinton campaign had 18 secret meetings with people associated with the Russian government (and had denied it).
People seem to have a major blind spot when it comes to "their" candidate.
Quote from: Adam White on May 22, 2017, 05:40:08 AM
I can only imagine the outrage that *certain* posters would be venting if it came to light that the Clinton campaign had 18 secret meetings with people associated with the Russian government (and had denied it).
People seem to have a major blind spot when it comes to "their" candidate.
They sure do...
Quote from: BridgeTroll on May 22, 2017, 07:00:19 AM
Quote from: Adam White on May 22, 2017, 05:40:08 AM
I can only imagine the outrage that *certain* posters would be venting if it came to light that the Clinton campaign had 18 secret meetings with people associated with the Russian government (and had denied it).
People seem to have a major blind spot when it comes to "their" candidate.
They sure do...
It's great you can admit it, BT. Maybe I "misunderestimated" you.
Quote from: Adam White on May 22, 2017, 08:13:04 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on May 22, 2017, 07:00:19 AM
Quote from: Adam White on May 22, 2017, 05:40:08 AM
I can only imagine the outrage that *certain* posters would be venting if it came to light that the Clinton campaign had 18 secret meetings with people associated with the Russian government (and had denied it).
People seem to have a major blind spot when it comes to "their" candidate.
They sure do...
It's great you can admit it, BT. Maybe I "misunderestimated" you.
We all should be able to admit it... because it is true of all of us.
Quote from: BridgeTroll on May 22, 2017, 09:00:44 AM
Quote from: Adam White on May 22, 2017, 08:13:04 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on May 22, 2017, 07:00:19 AM
Quote from: Adam White on May 22, 2017, 05:40:08 AM
I can only imagine the outrage that *certain* posters would be venting if it came to light that the Clinton campaign had 18 secret meetings with people associated with the Russian government (and had denied it).
People seem to have a major blind spot when it comes to "their" candidate.
They sure do...
It's great you can admit it, BT. Maybe I "misunderestimated" you.
We all should be able to admit it... because it is true of all of us.
I agree - we can all (or mostly all) be accused of unintentionally overlooking our biases.
That said, it seems that some people can be willfully blind. I find it odd that many of the same people who wrap themselves in the flag and claim others hate their country, etc are completely unconcerned about allegations of Russian interference in the US Presidential election.
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on May 22, 2017, 10:11:21 AM
Quote from: Adam White on May 22, 2017, 09:22:23 AM
I agree - we can all (or mostly all) be accused of unintentionally overlooking our biases.
That said, it seems that some people can be willfully blind. I find it odd that many of the same people who wrap themselves in the flag and claim others hate their country, etc are completely unconcerned about allegations of Russian interference in the US Presidential election.
about as odd as that many of the same people that wrap themselves in a blanket of obstructionist/influence Trump rage were "completely unconcerned" about foreign bought influence and obstruction with the Clintons. And there are never ending examples for both Rep/Dem. Of course, most of the biased clowns would only be aware of examples of one side:)
Long ago I accepted that the combination of the apathetic and both sides' "willfully blind" is getting us the government we deserve. On the bright side, it is amazingly profitable.
Reminds me of a discussion my wife and I were having yesterday. There are a lot of, "but her emails" memes going around now. I, personally, don't see the point. I found - and still find - Clinton's emails to be a concern (and I find many other issues re Clinton to be even more concerning). The fact that Trump is possibly a criminal doesn't change that.
Clinton's emails showed bias and collusion between her campaign and the DNC hierarchy. Sanders' campaign clearly suffered because of that and her campaign benefited. Doing so violates the understood and expected behavior that a party should treat all it's candidates fairly during the nomination process. However there is no law that states they must do so. The DNC and HRC's behavior was unethical but it was not illegal.
What else in her emails rises to the level of collusion with a foreign power to influence a national election?
Quote from: vicupstate on May 22, 2017, 10:34:12 AM
What else in her emails rises to the level of collusion with a foreign power to influence a national election?
I don't recall making that assertion.
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on May 22, 2017, 10:50:04 AM
Quote from: Adam White on May 22, 2017, 10:46:59 AM
Quote from: vicupstate on May 22, 2017, 10:34:12 AM
What else in her emails rises to the level of collusion with a foreign power to influence a national election?
I don't recall making that assertion.
for the record, neither did I.
about as odd as that many of the same people that wrap themselves in a blanket of obstructionist/influence Trump rage were "completely unconcerned" about foreign bought influence and obstruction with the Clintons.
The next wave on Trump is about to launch.
Language "experts" are concluding that President Trump is currently in early stages of dementia. Using Reagan as a baseline, they are concluding that his use of words are beginning to mimic what Reagan did in his second term.
Oh, and did you know? Trump's dad died of Alzheimers?
This and more coming to the news very soon to enhance the Russia inquiry.
Lol
Would it make any difference if mental health experts came to the same conclusion? Not to his supporters.
Trump is a sick individual. He IS an extreme narcissist. He IS an egomaniac. He IS a misogynist. He IS a pathological liar.
When all the dirty laundry washes out he will be assessed as one of the most horrific Presidents in History. For God's sake even the University that bears his name was sued for fraud. He paid $25 million to say he did nothing wrong. He has appointed his daughter and son-in law to positions of importance in his administration not based on merit but birthright. What a f$ck up.
Quote from: spuwho on May 22, 2017, 06:49:14 PM
The next wave on Trump is about to launch.
Language "experts" are concluding that President Trump is currently in early stages of dementia. Using Reagan as a baseline, they are concluding that his use of words are beginning to mimic what Reagan did in his second term.
Oh, and did you know? Trump's dad died of Alzheimers?
This and more coming to the news very soon to enhance the Russia inquiry.
Maybe he and Clinton can bury the hatchet and move into a care home together (one that treats sufferers of dementia as well as those who suffer advanced Parkinson's disease).
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on May 22, 2017, 02:59:15 PM
Quote from: vicupstate on May 22, 2017, 01:33:26 PM
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on May 22, 2017, 10:50:04 AM
Quote from: Adam White on May 22, 2017, 10:46:59 AM
Quote from: vicupstate on May 22, 2017, 10:34:12 AM
What else in her emails rises to the level of collusion with a foreign power to influence a national election?
I don't recall making that assertion.
for the record, neither did I.
about as odd as that many of the same people that wrap themselves in a blanket of obstructionist/influence Trump rage were "completely unconcerned" about foreign bought influence and obstruction with the Clintons.
Vic:
I am not sure why one of my previous statements is separated the way it is.Perhaps it was just an error in the reply and you meant to enter something?
Of course, if the purpose was to clearly show that I did not make any reference to Clinton emails or the DNC emails, thanks but not necessary.
You equated something that Clinton did to colluding with a foreign power to get elected. What would that 'something' be?
Quote from: Adam White on May 23, 2017, 03:34:21 AM
Quote from: spuwho on May 22, 2017, 06:49:14 PM
The next wave on Trump is about to launch.
Language "experts" are concluding that President Trump is currently in early stages of dementia. Using Reagan as a baseline, they are concluding that his use of words are beginning to mimic what Reagan did in his second term.
Oh, and did you know? Trump's dad died of Alzheimers?
This and more coming to the news very soon to enhance the Russia inquiry.
Maybe he and Clinton can bury the hatchet and move into a care home together (one that treats sufferers of dementia as well as those who suffer advanced Parkinson's disease).
Bahahaha
Talk about really weird.....now people are saying murdered DNC staffer Seth Rich was the leaker to WikiLeaks on Hilz and Wasserman's emails. He is asking to speak with Mueller.
Kim dot com?
This is getting g weirder and weirder by the day.
Quote from: spuwho on May 23, 2017, 06:20:54 PM
Talk about really weird.....now people are saying murdered DNC staffer Seth Rich was the leaker to WikiLeaks on Hilz and Wasserman's emails. He is asking to speak with Mueller.
Kim dot com?
This is getting g weirder and weirder by the day.
That's been a 'conspiracy theory' since he was murdered. Maybe it is; maybe it isn't.
But there seems to be potential that he (K.Com) has actual evidence to lend some legitimacy to the claims.
http://www.ibtimes.com/who-kim-dotcom-seth-rich-was-hero-who-leaked-dnc-emails-wikileaks-hacker-claims-2542740
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 23, 2017, 06:35:14 PM
Quote from: spuwho on May 23, 2017, 06:20:54 PM
Talk about really weird.....now people are saying murdered DNC staffer Seth Rich was the leaker to WikiLeaks on Hilz and Wasserman's emails. He is asking to speak with Mueller.
Kim dot com?
This is getting g weirder and weirder by the day.
That's been a 'conspiracy theory' since he was murdered. Maybe it is; maybe it isn't.
But there seems to be potential that he (K.Com) has actual evidence to lend some legitimacy to the claims.
http://www.ibtimes.com/who-kim-dotcom-seth-rich-was-hero-who-leaked-dnc-emails-wikileaks-hacker-claims-2542740
Kind of like Trump and Russia.
"Maybe it is...maybe it isnt"
Kim.Dotcom and three of his former business associates are wanted in the U.S. for charges including conspiracy to commit racketeering and money laundering.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/20/technology/kim-dotcom-us-extradition/ (http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/20/technology/kim-dotcom-us-extradition/)
Even fox News admits the Seth Rich story is bullshit.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/23/statement-on-coverage-seth-rich-murder-investigation.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/23/statement-on-coverage-seth-rich-murder-investigation.html)
Aaron Rich, brother of the murder victim, publicly released a letter (via CNN) targeted at Hannity and his producer, Porter Berry. Their message, seen below, is simple—STOP. Do not have Kim Dotcom on as a guest to further wild conspiracies. Rich pleads with Hannity, saying, "We are asking for your decency and kindness on this topic."
Spot on, Vic. But FAUX NEWS has made lots of hay running bullshit stories. To think that will stop now is to be naive...........
Quote from: spuwho on May 23, 2017, 07:05:08 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 23, 2017, 06:35:14 PM
Quote from: spuwho on May 23, 2017, 06:20:54 PM
Talk about really weird.....now people are saying murdered DNC staffer Seth Rich was the leaker to WikiLeaks on Hilz and Wasserman's emails. He is asking to speak with Mueller.
Kim dot com?
This is getting g weirder and weirder by the day.
That's been a 'conspiracy theory' since he was murdered. Maybe it is; maybe it isn't.
But there seems to be potential that he (K.Com) has actual evidence to lend some legitimacy to the claims.
http://www.ibtimes.com/who-kim-dotcom-seth-rich-was-hero-who-leaked-dnc-emails-wikileaks-hacker-claims-2542740
Kind of like Trump and Russia.
"Maybe it is...maybe it isnt"
Yes, except for the fact that it's nothing like Trump and Russia.
In the case of Trump/Russia, there appears to be evidence that his campaign communicated with Russian sources about 18 times or so. And there is evidence that Russia interfered with the elections.
In the case of Rich, there is absolutely no evidence to support the conspiracy "theory" that he a) leaked the emails and b) was killed for it. That was made up entirely. And the evidence we have is a police investigation which indicates he was killed as the result of a botched robbery.
I'm not saying Rich wasn't murdered for leaking emails. I'm saying that at this point, that "theory" is wild speculation with no supporting evidence.
Fox has removed the Seth Rich false story days after it was debunked. Just more reason not to trust their BS. At least when legitimate news sources discover they have made a mistake they immediately correct and apologize. But Fox waited 6, SIX days to retract. WOW.
Right wingers, that's why people with a brain criticize FOX. FAUX NEWS at it's finest.