In the article by the Daily Record today regarding Florida Coastal's struggles, the dean told the Record that the long-term goal of the school is to "convert to a nonprofit entity" and to "join with a nonprofit university that makes sense for our students."
Does anyone know what local nonprofit university would take them? Delaney said on the Melissa Ross show several weeks ago that UNF was not interested. JU seems like the only school with the money needed to turn the law school around, but why would they want to? It seems to me that Jacksonville will be better off if Florida Coastal closes since they don't seem to be improving anymore and their graduates are not receiving a good education despite obtaining $100k+ debt.
http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=549693
Quote from: remc86007 on April 11, 2017, 11:24:47 AM
their graduates are not receiving a good education despite obtaining $100k+ debt.
I disagree with this. I graduated in 2012 so it was before things got really bad for the school. However, like most schools it presents students with an opportunity and it was incumbent upon the students to take advantage of those opportunities. Some students did, some students didn't. Every law student in the state is using what are essentially the same text books and my professors were all highly qualified for their individual subject so my educational opportunities in the classroom were on par with that of every law school in the state. Things may have changed but I hope you don't judge all students or alumni negatively.
If you want to argue that the best learning is done outside of the classroom and in the real world then you've got a good argument against Florida Coastal. We certainly did not have the opportunities through clerkships that you could get at FSU/UF/UM.
I have several friends who graduated from FCLS and they are doing quite well.
The key to their success was getting jobs in other states with various law firms and then coming back to Florida after they gained a lot of experience.
Makes me think its a Florida reputational issue, not so much the type of student. They see the resume with success at another firm, then they know you arent a fluke.
Quote from: RiversideRambler on April 11, 2017, 12:07:20 PM
Things may have changed but I hope you don't judge all students or alumni negatively.
I certainly don't. I've met brilliant graduates from Florida Coastal, but for every one of those, there are several that seem woefully unprepared.
In my opinion, the admission standards are just too low at FL coastal. I'm sure there are good lawyers with LSATs below 150 and GPAs below 3.0, but considering the legal employment landscape, I think both potential law students and future clients of those law students would be better served if 150 and 3.0 were the average school minimum allowed by the ABA.
There are smart and hard working people in all walks of life. FCSL is close to being done. 125 students in their 1L class? Think about that from the 600-700 they had just 5 years ago. The legal education business has tanked and I doubt JU or any other college in the area would like to deal with it all. Look at Barry Law who is in an all out free fall as well in Orlando. However, that would be great news for UF and FSU moving forward.
There should be six law schools in Florida:
UF (ranked #41)
FSU (ranked #48)
Miami (ranked #70)
Stetson (ranked #98)
FIU (ranked #102)
FAMU (not ranked)
The rest are truly superfluous in this new legal market post-Great Recession.
Some interesting stats here: http://law-schools.startclass.com/l/183/Florida-Coastal-School-of-Law
So I guess those ambitious plans to relocate to downtown are DOA?
Quote from: FlaBoy on April 11, 2017, 01:28:15 PM
There are smart and hard working people in all walks of life. FCSL is close to being done. 125 students in their 1L class? Think about that from the 600-700 they had just 5 years ago. The legal education business has tanked and I doubt JU or any other college in the area would like to deal with it all. Look at Barry Law who is in an all out free fall as well in Orlando. However, that would be great news for UF and FSU moving forward.
There should be six law schools in Florida:
UF (ranked #41)
FSU (ranked #48)
Miami (ranked #70)
Stetson (ranked #98)
FIU (ranked #102)
FAMU (not ranked)
The rest are truly superfluous in this new legal market post-Great Recession.
Ideally there ought to be law schools in the big metro areas to serve students who can't afford to move elsewhere to get their JD. Despite having a job and a fiance, my now brother-in-law had to move to UF 4 days of the week to get his degree and was taken out of the workforce entirely. He and his company didn't consider FCLS a wise investment.
Like our med schools, there's been too little coordination by our public schools to put law schools in the best places or to work around what the private schools offer. They don't have to be tied to the schools that are located there: FAMU's law school is in Orlando and has little to do with the main campus. The Tampa Bay Area is served by the private Stetson law school, but Jax is served only by FCLS.
^ I agree. We all know it won't happen, but imagine how much better it would be for almost everyone involved if UF law relocated to downtown Jacksonville. Gainesville simply doesn't have the legal industry to take advantage of a T1 law school filled with potential interns/externs. At least Tallahassee has plenty of options in state government and administrative law firms that are willing to train students.
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Quote from: FlaBoy on April 11, 2017, 01:28:15 PM
There are smart and hard working people in all walks of life. FCSL is close to being done. 125 students in their 1L class? Think about that from the 600-700 they had just 5 years ago. The legal education business has tanked and I doubt JU or any other college in the area would like to deal with it all. Look at Barry Law who is in an all out free fall as well in Orlando. However, that would be great news for UF and FSU moving forward.
There should be six law schools in Florida:
UF (ranked #41)
FSU (ranked #48)
Miami (ranked #70)
Stetson (ranked #98)
FIU (ranked #102)
FAMU (not ranked)
The rest are truly superfluous in this new legal market post-Great Recession.
Ideally there ought to be law schools in the big metro areas to serve students who can't afford to move elsewhere to get their JD. Despite having a job and a fiance, my now brother-in-law had to move to UF 4 days of the week to get his degree and was taken out of the workforce entirely. He and his company didn't consider FCLS a wise investment.
Like our med schools, there's been too little coordination by our public schools to put law schools in the best places or to work around what the private schools offer. They don't have to be tied to the schools that are located there: FAMU's law school is in Orlando and has little to do with the main campus. The Tampa Bay Area is served by the private Stetson law school, but Jax is served only by FCLS.
Law school is a big decision, and no, not every city should have a legal program because not everyone on whim should be going to law school because it is convenient. Gainesville is close enough to commute to if needed and the law school has been there for nearly 110 years so it wasn't some lack of coordination recently. Maybe we should create better connections between Gainesville and Jacksonville (60 miles from downtown to downtown and only 40 miles from Cecil Commerce) because the premier university in the state is quite close with all the talent this city would like to come, especially in the engineering, business, legal and medical fields.
^High-speed rail to the Prime Osborn? :)
Quote from: remc86007 on April 11, 2017, 02:35:06 PM
^ I agree. We all know it won't happen, but imagine how much better it would be for almost everyone involved if UF law relocated to downtown Jacksonville. Gainesville simply doesn't have the legal industry to take advantage of a T1 law school filled with potential interns/externs. At least Tallahassee has plenty of options in state government and administrative law firms that are willing to train students.
Imagine if the whole University of Florida were here. Jacksonville would be Austin, Texas. Jacksonville had the opportunity to get UF here but balked at it in 1905. Instead, it came down to Lake City and Gainesville and Gainesville offered free water to the state. As a result, UF was located in Gainesville. Instead, 30 years later Jacksonville created the pre-cursor to JU to fill the role of a college in the city. All of that is ancient history, but creating better connections between Jax and Gainesville (especially with UF Health here) should be a big focus of our future in attracting businesses and jobs to Jacksonville/Northeast Florida. One thing that makes sense, but I have no idea how it works, would be incorporating the Gainesville media market into Jacksonville. Lake City and Palatka are both part of Jacksonville's media market. Gainesville has it's own small media market that is similarly distanced from Melbourne and Orlando (same market) or Tampa and Sarasota (same market). An easier and better highway connection would make sense as well or basically upgrade 301 to that with similar bypasses and limited development along the road. High speed rail between the two isn't happening in our lifetime. Maybe the hyperloop will run from Tampa through Gainesville to here? lol ;D
Quote from: FlaBoy on April 11, 2017, 02:36:08 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on April 11, 2017, 01:59:52 PM
Quote from: FlaBoy on April 11, 2017, 01:28:15 PM
There are smart and hard working people in all walks of life. FCSL is close to being done. 125 students in their 1L class? Think about that from the 600-700 they had just 5 years ago. The legal education business has tanked and I doubt JU or any other college in the area would like to deal with it all. Look at Barry Law who is in an all out free fall as well in Orlando. However, that would be great news for UF and FSU moving forward.
There should be six law schools in Florida:
UF (ranked #41)
FSU (ranked #48)
Miami (ranked #70)
Stetson (ranked #98)
FIU (ranked #102)
FAMU (not ranked)
The rest are truly superfluous in this new legal market post-Great Recession.
Ideally there ought to be law schools in the big metro areas to serve students who can't afford to move elsewhere to get their JD. Despite having a job and a fiance, my now brother-in-law had to move to UF 4 days of the week to get his degree and was taken out of the workforce entirely. He and his company didn't consider FCLS a wise investment.
Like our med schools, there's been too little coordination by our public schools to put law schools in the best places or to work around what the private schools offer. They don't have to be tied to the schools that are located there: FAMU's law school is in Orlando and has little to do with the main campus. The Tampa Bay Area is served by the private Stetson law school, but Jax is served only by FCLS.
Law school is a big decision, and no, not every city should have a legal program because not everyone on whim should be going to law school because it is convenient. Gainesville is close enough to commute to if needed and the law school has been there for nearly 110 years so it wasn't some lack of coordination recently. Maybe we should create better connections between Gainesville and Jacksonville (60 miles from downtown to downtown and only 40 miles from Cecil Commerce) because the premier university in the state is quite close with all the talent this city would like to come, especially in the engineering, business, legal and medical fields.
Yes, every city should have a law school because that's where our massive and growing population is going, and we should serve our population's needs. It's not a matter of it being "convenient" or people going on a "whim", it's a matter of there being literally no option for living in Jacksonville and attending law school other than FCSL. By contrast, this is possible in literally every other metro area of our size or bigger other than Charlotte, NC, I believe.
Anyone who's ever tried it will tell you that Gainesville isn't really close enough to commute to for most people with a normal schedule. It's 70 miles from Downtown Jacksonville to the UF campus, not 60, and it can take an hour and a half. People in most regions don't routinely drive 70 miles to get to work. Unfortunately, we're well past the point that the prestige universities can meet the needs of our populace on their own.
To be fair, we could probably do with fewer lawyers. So maybe fewer law schools is a good thing.
Quote from: FlaBoy on April 11, 2017, 02:59:33 PM
Quote from: remc86007 on April 11, 2017, 02:35:06 PM
^ I agree. We all know it won't happen, but imagine how much better it would be for almost everyone involved if UF law relocated to downtown Jacksonville. Gainesville simply doesn't have the legal industry to take advantage of a T1 law school filled with potential interns/externs. At least Tallahassee has plenty of options in state government and administrative law firms that are willing to train students.
Imagine if the whole University of Florida were here. Jacksonville would be Austin, Texas. Jacksonville had the opportunity to get UF here but balked at it in 1905. Instead, it came down to Lake City and Gainesville and Gainesville offered free water to the state. As a result, UF was located in Gainesville. Instead, 30 years later Jacksonville created the pre-cursor to JU to fill the role of a college in the city.
Not quite. Gainesville was already home to the East Florida Seminary and Lake City was home to the "University of Florida at Lake City", previously Florida Agricultural College. These and several smaller ones were consolidated into a white men's school in 1905. Jacksonville was not really in the running for where the consolidated school would be, the main contenders were always Lake City and Gainesville. Gainesville won out by giving out free water, as you say, but also tens of thousands of dollars in local contributions and hundreds of acres of land. It was also centrally located to the school's population at the time, so better serving the state's population was always a factor in determining where educational institutions should be.
Here's a good blog post with some of that info:
https://ufndnp.wordpress.com/2016/06/06/the-buckman-act-florida-universities/
Fewer lawyers are needed in the short-run, but that won't always be the case. I hope during this time when fewer law grads are needed, that the low LSAT potential students are discouraged from attending, not the high LSAT potential students. Law school should attract the best and brightest regardless of the student's ability to pay for school.
Quote from: Adam White on April 11, 2017, 03:13:36 PM
To be fair, we could probably do with fewer lawyers. So maybe fewer law schools is a good thing.
That is true regardless of where the schools are!
Quote from: thelakelander on April 11, 2017, 01:49:35 PM
So I guess those ambitious plans to relocate to downtown are DOA?
Maybe not. How about a down sizing, moving the campus to DT, becoming past of UF law school as the "urban campus". It works for UF Health and the med school uses the DT hospital as the med school's urban campus.
Quote from: remc86007 on April 11, 2017, 03:21:07 PM
Fewer lawyers are needed in the short-run, but that won't always be the case. I hope during this time when fewer law grads are needed, that the low LSAT potential students are discouraged from attending, not the high LSAT potential students. Law school should attract the best and brightest regardless of the student's ability to pay for school.
There certainly will always be a need for lawyers. But it's reasonable (I think) to say the market is over saturated now. I agree that the best and brightest should attend law schools - and I'd like to see people being able to leave law school and work in a legal field.
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Quote from: thelakelander on April 11, 2017, 01:49:35 PM
So I guess those ambitious plans to relocate to downtown are DOA?
Maybe not. How about a down sizing, moving the campus to DT, becoming past of UF law school as the "urban campus". It works for UF Health and the med school uses the DT hospital as the med school's urban campus.
I can't imagine UF wanting anything to do with Florida Coastal. If they wanted an urban campus in downtown Jax, they don't need Florida Coastal for that.
Quote from: FlaBoy on April 11, 2017, 01:28:15 PM
There are smart and hard working people in all walks of life. FCSL is close to being done. 125 students in their 1L class? Think about that from the 600-700 they had just 5 years ago. The legal education business has tanked and I doubt JU or any other college in the area would like to deal with it all. Look at Barry Law who is in an all out free fall as well in Orlando. However, that would be great news for UF and FSU moving forward.
There should be six law schools in Florida:
UF (ranked #41)
FSU (ranked #48)
Miami (ranked #70)
Stetson (ranked #98)
FIU (ranked #102)
FAMU (not ranked)
The rest are truly superfluous in this new legal market post-Great Recession.
I agree with this. While I have friends who are quite successful having attended FCSL (in the early 2000s), the quality hasn't been there.
There are too many law schools in Florida. Ave Maria, Barry, Cooley, Coastal -- they're all superfluous. In reality, a couple more might be superfluous, but these are the four I would put at-risk.
The unfortunate reality in the legal profession is too many lawyers exist and hundreds more flood the market (in Florida) each year. Advances in technology (for both pro se people and lawyers) means more work gets pushed to computer-based resources and fewer person-hours are needed. Obviously, some subsets within the law will be impacted less by machine-based work product. Litigators, appellate lawyers. But others will be replaced completely, or so near to completely to mean we don't need human being lawyers reading every page of discovery when OCR and a heuristic algorithm can get the same job done. I tell very few people to go to law school. Unless there's a family connection, a deep burning desire to be a low-paid do-gooder... well, yeah. Those are the only two groups of people for whom I believe the time and expense of law school would be beneficial.
Nursing school, however. That's where it's at.
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Quote from: thelakelander on April 11, 2017, 01:49:35 PM
So I guess those ambitious plans to relocate to downtown are DOA?
I have some very good info on this and they arent necessarily done, but they can't find anyone to take their Baymeadows lease, which is the first thing that has to happen. Until someone will agree to take their lease, they are effectively stuck out there. It was a poor choice of location to begin with, and very short-sighted to locate out there, in my opinion.
How long is their lease for?
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Quote from: thelakelander on April 11, 2017, 01:49:35 PM
So I guess those ambitious plans to relocate to downtown are DOA?
I have some very good info on this and they arent necessarily done, but they can't find anyone to take their Baymeadows lease, which is the first thing that has to happen. Until someone will agree to take their lease, they are effectively stuck out there. It was a poor choice of location to begin with, and very short-sighted to locate out there, in my opinion.
How long is their lease for?
Not sure exactly, but at least 10 more years and I want to say it may be as long as 20 or more years.
Who would ever take a 10 year lease from them, never mind a 20 year lease :o
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Quote from: thelakelander on April 11, 2017, 01:49:35 PM
So I guess those ambitious plans to relocate to downtown are DOA?
I have some very good info on this and they arent necessarily done, but they can't find anyone to take their Baymeadows lease, which is the first thing that has to happen. Until someone will agree to take their lease, they are effectively stuck out there. It was a poor choice of location to begin with, and very short-sighted to locate out there, in my opinion.
How long is their lease for?
Not sure exactly, but at least 10 more years and I want to say it may be as long as 20 or more years.
Who would ever take a 10 year lease from them, never mind a 20 year lease :o
20 months ago the report said 16 years left on the lease. https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=546035
Of course they also claimed the school is "doing very well" at the time.
I can't believe it's been 20 months already since Metrojacksonville first broke the news that "Florida Coastal School of Law to Relocate Downtown" ;)
If the city of Jacksonville would like to give UF some free space downtown, they may make something work in bringing 2L and 3L students here especially with the rise of experiential learning and adjuncts. 1L will always be in Gainesville.
Physical space for experiential learning is already in place downtown. Lots of law students from UF and FSU spend summers in law firms, courts, SA/PD, and at legal aid. I earned 12 credits for my externship at legal aid from FSU during my 3L year.
Gainesville and Tallahassee have plenty of volunteer opportunities during the school year. Jacksonville law students tend to come home for summer clerking and externships. Technology is making distance volunteering possible. Communities and law schools are holding legal hacksthons.
Quote from: FlaBoy on April 13, 2017, 03:56:07 PM
If the city of Jacksonville would like to give UF some free space downtown, they may make something work in bringing 2L and 3L students here especially with the rise of experiential learning and adjuncts. 1L will always be in Gainesville.
I've said before the city needs to embrace something of a loss-leader mentality and get as many upper division and graduate students downtown as possible. This FSCJ stuff? Good Lord, don't get me started on that.
There could be a very creative interaction with, for instance, the Jessie Ball duPont Center and a similar interaction with UF Health. Hell, FSU got a medical school by promising to focus in nontraditional and underserved areas. Couldn't downtown Jax be a hub for them to fan out around Northeast Florida and do so? Didn't their well-funded entrepreneurship school just open up operations in Jax?
UNF *should* be thinking like this (or at least publicly exploring it), contemplating a partnership with the city, and planning something right now -- perhaps in conjunction with UF and FSU.
But get the kids downtown!
Hahaha, still hating on FSCJ? We ought to give them a pat on the back. While everyone is dreaming about all these other schools that aren't coming, they're actively dumping millions into the Northbank and plan to invest more. Them desiring, investing in and growing a student population base living in the Northbank is a very important thing that should not be overlooked.
^ Agreed. FSCJ is a major contributor to our local economy and should be praised their effort to bring students downtown. Their graduate employment numbers compare favorably to the major Florida universities. From a purely economic standpoint, taxpayers likely get more bang for their buck from FSCJ than any other college in the city.
Quote from: thelakelander on April 14, 2017, 01:19:10 PM
Hahaha, still hating on FSCJ? We ought to give them a pat on the back. While everyone is dreaming about all these other schools that aren't coming, they're actively dumping millions into the Northbank and plan to invest more. Them desiring, investing in and growing a student population base living in the Northbank is a very important thing that should not be overlooked.
One idea that could make some real sense would be for FSCJ to focus more of its 4 year degree programs downtown like business and nursing. I know they go with demand in meeting the needs of the city but moving their technical school aspects elsewhere in favor of students that may live DT would make sense. But especially for the 18-21 crowd that may be looking for a more authentic college experience, there are ways to enhance FSCJ downtown. An easy way would be to encourage students in the 2+2 FSCJ-UNF Program to do their two years at FSCJ on campus downtown as the easiest pipeline towards UNF. FSCJ Downtown could basically be the home of that program and focus on that program, rather than the technical career type programs currently downtown.
http://jacksonville.com/news/education/2017-06-30/florida-coastal-cuts-enrollment-classes-boost-bar-exam-results
QuoteAs the changes are made, school leadership hopes to move downtown to a smaller facility and ultimately become a not-for-profit institution. The school has yet to announce when it will make those moves.
Any ideas for a site? Ambassador Hotel area next to all the courthouses would be best but maybe another could be the JEA Customer Center?
I wouldn't spend much improving a building based on a long-term lease with them considering how Infilaw's other schools are going. I don't think FL Coastal is long for the world. They may lose their Title IV eligibility this year and if they do, they are done.
Bar exam results released today (I passed). FL Coastal students didn't fare so well: 47.7 percent passed, the lowest in the state. I feel really bad for the people that got conned into going to that school and now have debt and little chance of becoming a lawyer.
Quote from: remc86007 on September 18, 2017, 11:41:49 AM
Bar exam results released today (I passed). FL Coastal students didn't fare so well: 47.7 percent passed, the lowest in the state. I feel really bad for the people that got conned into going to that school and now have debt and little chance of becoming a lawyer.
Congratulations! Great job!
Quote from: remc86007 on September 18, 2017, 11:41:49 AM
Bar exam results released today (I passed). FL Coastal students didn't fare so well: 47.7 percent passed, the lowest in the state. I feel really bad for the people that got conned into going to that school and now have debt and little chance of becoming a lawyer.
Focus on the good. Congrats! And welcome to the club.
remc good job and congrats!!
Thanks everybody!
I just dont believe anyone got CONNED into going to this school. Yeah, their marketing practices are a bit shitty...but the burden is on the student to do their homework, especially before signing up in thousands of student loans.
I went to Coastal. I truly believe the quality of teaching is the same as you´d get at ANY other school (I sat in on classes with my sister at Georgetown and UF Law, and the text books are the same, as are the teaching methods).
The issue with Coastal has been, and always will be, signing up hundreds of students who they know cant pass their way out of a paper bag.
The only solution to fixing the bar passage rates is to limit the amount AND quality of students they bring in.
Wish people would stop saying the quality of education is somehow sub par. The education is fine - it´s the admission standards that aren´t.
It would be bad for Jacksonville, but good for the legal market if they went away since they used to dump 600-700 grads a year into the market.
I am still holding out that they continue to make 300 work and move downtown...
Quote from: ben says on September 19, 2017, 06:01:21 AM
I just dont believe anyone got CONNED into going to this school. Yeah, their marketing practices are a bit shitty...but the burden is on the student to do their homework, especially before signing up in thousands of student loans.
I went to Coastal. I truly believe the quality of teaching is the same as you´d get at ANY other school (I sat in on classes with my sister at Georgetown and UF Law, and the text books are the same, as are the teaching methods).
The issue with Coastal has been, and always will be, signing up hundreds of students who they know cant pass their way out of a paper bag.
The only solution to fixing the bar passage rates is to limit the amount AND quality of students they bring in.
Wish people would stop saying the quality of education is somehow sub par. The education is fine - it´s the admission standards that aren´t.
As a fellow Coastal alum, I agree with all of this.
Quote from: ben says on September 19, 2017, 06:01:21 AM
I just dont believe anyone got CONNED into going to this school. Yeah, their marketing practices are a bit shitty...but the burden is on the student to do their homework, especially before signing up in thousands of student loans.
Perhaps the education is equivalent to higher ranked law schools, but I still think some students got "conned" into going there. I used the word "conned" to mean: persuaded by use of deception. As you mentioned, their marketing practices are (or at least were) "shitty." I remember getting countless letters from them when I was applying to law schools. I would describe many of them as deceptive at best. Sure the onus is on the applicant to some extent, but in what other situation in life is a person loaned $100k+ with such bad odds of being able to repay it?
I'm not so sure that limiting the entering class sizes further will improve their Bar passage. As recently as 2013 their bar passage rate was 20 points higher and that was with nearly three times as many students taking it. Something clearly is wrong and it is getting worse quickly.
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Quote from: ben says on September 19, 2017, 06:01:21 AM
I just dont believe anyone got CONNED into going to this school. Yeah, their marketing practices are a bit shitty...but the burden is on the student to do their homework, especially before signing up in thousands of student loans.
I went to Coastal. I truly believe the quality of teaching is the same as you´d get at ANY other school (I sat in on classes with my sister at Georgetown and UF Law, and the text books are the same, as are the teaching methods).
The issue with Coastal has been, and always will be, signing up hundreds of students who they know cant pass their way out of a paper bag.
The only solution to fixing the bar passage rates is to limit the amount AND quality of students they bring in.
Wish people would stop saying the quality of education is somehow sub par. The education is fine - it´s the admission standards that aren´t.
As a fellow Coastal alum, I agree with all of this.
Going to say 150 students per cohort won't work for their for-profit business model. Again, if the school closed it would be good for the legal market but really bad for Jax IF it intends on going downtown.
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Quote from: RiversideRambler on September 19, 2017, 08:54:21 PM
Quote from: ben says on September 19, 2017, 06:01:21 AM
I just dont believe anyone got CONNED into going to this school. Yeah, their marketing practices are a bit shitty...but the burden is on the student to do their homework, especially before signing up in thousands of student loans.
I went to Coastal. I truly believe the quality of teaching is the same as you´d get at ANY other school (I sat in on classes with my sister at Georgetown and UF Law, and the text books are the same, as are the teaching methods).
The issue with Coastal has been, and always will be, signing up hundreds of students who they know cant pass their way out of a paper bag.
The only solution to fixing the bar passage rates is to limit the amount AND quality of students they bring in.
Wish people would stop saying the quality of education is somehow sub par. The education is fine - it´s the admission standards that aren´t.
As a fellow Coastal alum, I agree with all of this.
Going to say 150 students per cohort won't work for their for-profit business model. Again, if the school closed it would be good for the legal market but really bad for Jax IF it intends on going downtown.
Hard to see how it stays afloat at this point. Their for-profit model seemed to work for awhile, but eventually they started recruiting people that just weren't cut out to be lawyers, and now it's come back to bite them. No offense whatsoever to people who went there.
Quote from: remc86007 on September 19, 2017, 09:56:15 PM
Sure the onus is on the applicant to some extent, but in what other situation in life is a person loaned $100k+ with such bad odds of being able to repay it?
Hard to believe, but in less than 10 years from a massive fallout, the mortgage business is quickly heading that way again.
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Quote from: RiversideRambler on September 19, 2017, 08:54:21 PM
Quote from: ben says on September 19, 2017, 06:01:21 AM
I just dont believe anyone got CONNED into going to this school. Yeah, their marketing practices are a bit shitty...but the burden is on the student to do their homework, especially before signing up in thousands of student loans.
I went to Coastal. I truly believe the quality of teaching is the same as you´d get at ANY other school (I sat in on classes with my sister at Georgetown and UF Law, and the text books are the same, as are the teaching methods).
The issue with Coastal has been, and always will be, signing up hundreds of students who they know cant pass their way out of a paper bag.
The only solution to fixing the bar passage rates is to limit the amount AND quality of students they bring in.
Wish people would stop saying the quality of education is somehow sub par. The education is fine - it´s the admission standards that aren´t.
As a fellow Coastal alum, I agree with all of this.
Going to say 150 students per cohort won't work for their for-profit business model. Again, if the school closed it would be good for the legal market but really bad for Jax IF it intends on going downtown.
Hard to see how it stays afloat at this point. Their for-profit model seemed to work for awhile, but eventually they started recruiting people that just weren't cut out to be lawyers, and now it's come back to bite them. No offense whatsoever to people who went there.
UNF have any interest in a law school? ;)
Quote from: FlaBoy on September 20, 2017, 05:38:03 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on September 20, 2017, 03:00:02 PM
Quote from: FlaBoy on September 20, 2017, 02:44:47 PM
Quote from: RiversideRambler on September 19, 2017, 08:54:21 PM
Quote from: ben says on September 19, 2017, 06:01:21 AM
I just dont believe anyone got CONNED into going to this school. Yeah, their marketing practices are a bit shitty...but the burden is on the student to do their homework, especially before signing up in thousands of student loans.
I went to Coastal. I truly believe the quality of teaching is the same as you´d get at ANY other school (I sat in on classes with my sister at Georgetown and UF Law, and the text books are the same, as are the teaching methods).
The issue with Coastal has been, and always will be, signing up hundreds of students who they know cant pass their way out of a paper bag.
The only solution to fixing the bar passage rates is to limit the amount AND quality of students they bring in.
Wish people would stop saying the quality of education is somehow sub par. The education is fine - it´s the admission standards that aren´t.
As a fellow Coastal alum, I agree with all of this.
Going to say 150 students per cohort won't work for their for-profit business model. Again, if the school closed it would be good for the legal market but really bad for Jax IF it intends on going downtown.
Hard to see how it stays afloat at this point. Their for-profit model seemed to work for awhile, but eventually they started recruiting people that just weren't cut out to be lawyers, and now it's come back to bite them. No offense whatsoever to people who went there.
UNF have any interest in a law school? ;)
Ha, not that I've ever heard.