Someone mentioned this as a rumor on here a few weeks back:
QuoteA little more than five years after it closed on the Southbank, Morton's the Steakhouse is returning to Jacksonville. This time it's on the Northbank downtown, scheduled to open June 1 in Hyatt Regency Jacksonville Riverfront, an employee there said.
http://jacksonville.com/business/food-and-dining/2017-03-20/morton-s-steakhouse-returning-jacksonville
I assume its the same space shulas was in.
Probably where Plaza III was. Good news either way. I am amazed the old Morton's still sits empty.
One has to wonder how this is going to work with the Cowford Chophouse opening two blocks away. Sure, the out-of-towners would probably choose Mortons, but local business people? I don't think so.
Does anybody know if the Chophouse is going to be in a vastly different price bracket than Mortons?
I think they're going to be around the same price point actually. With one being a chain and one being local, I think that's okay. They might compliment each other.
Quote from: fsujax on March 20, 2017, 02:01:51 PM
Probably where Plaza III was.
Correct, that's where it's going. I don't think Shula's was ever in the Hyatt.
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on March 20, 2017, 02:37:20 PM
I hope I am wayyyyy off but I would think this is bad news for Cowford Chophouse. I would guess a significant portion of upscale steakhouse revenue is business/expense account and I would think Morton's will get most of Hyatt's business and Ruth's owns the South Bank.
Based upon the "financial demographics" of Jacksonville, I would say the vast majority of locals would look upon it as a "once a year" (anniversary/birthday) type place. The bar should do great though.
Of course, if it is as good as we hope, we will be spending an obscene amount of money there. Who knows, perhaps enough to offset the business lost to Morton's :)
I think it's all going to come down to value for the food. If they are at the Morton's price point and serve worse steak, then I agree (though the rooftop bar might be able to overcome that).
I thought they would be around the same price point as Morton's, but I could be wrong.
For example, if they are a little below that price point, it might be good for business travelers. If I'm traveling by myself usually I can't expense something like Morton's.
^ I think Cowford will cater to folks looking for something different. The historic space will be a draw, as will the rooftop. For Morton's, it will be the riverfront view (albeit not a good view right now).
^ I think you are underestimating just how much of a visibility advantage that the Cowford Chophouse will enjoy. If they don't totally screw up their marketing effort, it will be impossible to take the Main Street bridge into downtown without seeing it. Also, the rooftop of Cowford will be visible from the upper floors of several office buildings.
I'm with you, I really want Cowford to be successful. If it's really good, it could put Jacksonville on the map among steak connoisseurs.
Quote from: Steve on March 20, 2017, 02:07:30 PM
Quote from: fsujax on March 20, 2017, 02:01:51 PM
Probably where Plaza III was.
Correct, that's where it's going. I don't think Shula's was ever in the Hyatt.
Right. It wasn't.
It also housed Bravo Ristorante.
I have many different vendors that come to Jax for a visit and they never want to eat at Ruth Chris or Morton's. Cowford will go over very well with business travelers.
Hope Cowford will become our Bern's.
Quote from: Steve on March 20, 2017, 02:07:30 PM
Quote from: fsujax on March 20, 2017, 02:01:51 PM
Probably where Plaza III was.
Correct, that's where it's going. I don't think Shula's was ever in the Hyatt.
Shulas 347 was originally going into the Hyatt, but moved to the new Sheraton in Deerwood in 2008. Now that is closed and its just a bar and grill at JIA.
I remember the signs being up on the walls when I was riding my bike down there, but I looked it up and they never did open there.
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on March 20, 2017, 04:13:56 PM
Quote from: tufsu1 on March 20, 2017, 03:36:25 PM
^ I think Cowford will cater to folks looking for something different. The historic space will be a draw, as will the rooftop. For Morton's, it will be the riverfront view (albeit not a good view right now).
So Mortons will have nice River front views like Ruth's in Double Tree? I am unfamiliar with the Hyatt and the space they will occupy. I was hoping it would be mostly interior space with to give Cowford an even bigger ambiance advantage:)
I know I am making this thread about Cowford ( We will never go to Morton's, sorry Morton) but I soooooo want Cowford to be great and successful due to the combination of the building and wanting a great non chain steakhouse (Please, no one mention Tree).
I am worried that due to convenience they will lose a huge portion of potential Hyatt business. Weekdays could be ugly
The views at the new Morton's will definitely not be anywhere close to the river views of Ruth's Chris at DoubleTree and it also won't be anywhere near as good as the views from the Cowford rooftop. Honestly, I don't think it's a great idea for Morton's to open there. Ruth's already has a lock on their position and location in the market. Cowford offers something different and with local flair. Morton's, to me, has never been as good as Ruth's and lacks the views. Morton's also lacks the local, historical, and rooftop attributes of Cowford. Maybe something like Roy's or Melting Pot should've opened here instead of in that odd Gate Parkway location.
I thought the last Morton's location sucked too. The place didn't have a single window, it just felt weird.
Quote from: acme54321 on March 28, 2017, 02:56:53 PM
I thought the last Morton's location sucked too. The place didn't have a single window, it just felt weird.
Mortons. Old school steak place, riding on rep for several years. Met founders back in 1985, been to their house on the lakefront.
Run by the kids now. Junior wasted money opening Pink Taco chain. Lost a bundle trying to get the brand to take in China back in the 80's.
The Hyatt location will definitely be better than the old Morton's spot....once the new riverwalk is completed. I recall Plaza III having a decent interior environment when it was open. The dining area will have waterfront views (south and east), 1,000 hotel rooms/110,000SF of meeting space above it, outdoor dining and it will be in the heart of the Northbank. We'll soon find out if we have a market strong enough to support multiple upscale steakhouses.
^ the interior was quite nice
Annnnnnnd she's open:
http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/mortons-opens-today-in-hyatt-regency-downtown
Quote from: spuwho on March 28, 2017, 03:14:13 PM
Quote from: acme54321 on March 28, 2017, 02:56:53 PM
I thought the last Morton's location sucked too. The place didn't have a single window, it just felt weird.
Mortons. Old school steak place, riding on rep for several years. Met founders back in 1985, been to their house on the lakefront.
Run by the kids now. Junior wasted money opening Pink Taco chain. Lost a bundle trying to get the brand to take in China back in the 80's.
I stand corrected. The Morton Family sold the chain in 1987. It is now owned by Landry's, the hospitality, casino operator based in Houston.