The Murray Hill Community Garden Facebook page has announced that two new houses will be built on the land that is currently used as a community garden.
QuoteSIT DOWN! This is going to be HARSH!
The owners of the land have sold this property out from under us. New owners have notified me that, as of today, we have 2 weeks to be gone before they start building 2 new houses on our garden. A staple of our neighborhood is lost. Anna and I will make use of our own yard for gardening, not sure how the rest will deal. I'm hurt to the bone!
https://www.facebook.com/Murray-Hill-Community-Garden-of-Jacksonville-514339871978601/ (https://www.facebook.com/Murray-Hill-Community-Garden-of-Jacksonville-514339871978601/)
I'm sure there's another empty lot that can be used as a garden.
Stinks that location for the garden is gone but nice to see the neighborhood is growing.
But investors are building piece of crap cookie cutter homes everywhere.
Quote from: benfranklinbof on March 19, 2017, 02:26:17 PM
But investors are building piece of crap cookie cutter homes everywhere.
I feel the same. I said this in another thread:
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on March 18, 2017, 09:46:00 PM
Quote from: JaxAvondale on March 18, 2017, 08:30:53 PM
In a lot of ways, this has already started happening. There are homes in Riverside on the other side of Park going for $350k. The current and planned projects in Murray Hill are very promising for the area.
Commercially, I completely agree with you.
Residentially, I think we're (Murray Hill) about to get screwed over with a glut of cheaply constructed, out-of-place looking homes.
Selfishly and hypocritically, I really wish that MHPA as more like RAP with regards to limiting the 'style' of residential that's allowed to be built per an overlay. Right now, developers are gobbling up all the vacant lots and throwing up absolute shit homes that can't be more than $75-85/sf to build and are trying to sell them in the mid-to-high $100ks. Most of the builder signs I see are also property management companies. Which means if you can't gouge them in one shot, you can gouge them monthly with rents that are in the $1k to $1.8k range for a 3/1.
And I'm not saying that any of this is horrible from a price perspective - it's actually right in line with what you can expect to pay for any of these 1930 bungalows, but based against the quality of what you're getting, it's a joke.
Quote from: benfranklinbof on March 19, 2017, 02:26:17 PM
But investors are building piece of crap cookie cutter homes everywhere.
buy it and build what you think the community will support.
Quote from: MEGATRON on March 19, 2017, 04:34:54 PM
Quote from: benfranklinbof on March 19, 2017, 02:26:17 PM
But investors are building piece of crap cookie cutter homes everywhere.
buy it and build what you think the community will support.
Yawn. Dumb.
QuoteBut investors are building piece of crap cookie cutter homes everywhere.
Contact Jason Tetlak at MHPA and tell him you want MHPA to have a stronger voice in the community. I'd agree with you, JWB and other entities are buying up vacant tracts of land and adding the cement board-ugly looking houses. City allows it as it grows their tax base, but the neighbors should have more input in the character of the homes. MH should have more brick bungalows instead of these cement board sided houses.
Quote from: mtraininjax on July 09, 2017, 05:58:25 AM
QuoteBut investors are building piece of crap cookie cutter homes everywhere.
Contact Jason Tetlak at MHPA and tell him you want MHPA to have a stronger voice in the community. I'd agree with you, JWB and other entities are buying up vacant tracts of land and adding the cement board-ugly looking houses. City allows it as it grows their tax base, but the neighbors should have more input in the character of the homes. MH should have more brick bungalows instead of these cement board sided houses.
I just moved to the neighborhood and am probably going to reach out to him in the next week or two.
When looking at investments, Murray Hill and Springfield are kinda the two "up and coming" neighborhoods in urban core Jax and this is the primary difference. Springfield's historic overlay maintains a certain quality and aesthetic for new homes but can also be a deterrent for investment if it increases design/material costs. Murray Hill has a lot more flexibility so things can be done quicker but there is sometimes a loss of quality and style. I think this is the primary reason Springfield has taken longer to develop but I think in the long-run the neighborhood will hold on to a more quality status. There are other dynamics at play as well but it's interesting to watch these two neighborhoods develop.
BTW: Springfield has also lost a couple of community gardens to new Terra Wise homes.
Quote from: benfranklinbof on March 19, 2017, 02:26:17 PM
But investors are building piece of crap cookie cutter homes everywhere.
Now that they're done ruining coastal areas with them....
One solution to the community garden problem would be if the community got together and bought a lot or two for that purpose.
ding ding ding... we have a winner....
QuoteWhen looking at investments, Murray Hill and Springfield are kinda the two "up and coming" neighborhoods in urban core Jax and this is the primary difference. Springfield's historic overlay maintains a certain quality and aesthetic for new homes but can also be a deterrent for investment if it increases design/material costs. Murray Hill has a lot more flexibility so things can be done quicker but there is sometimes a loss of quality and style. I think this is the primary reason Springfield has taken longer to develop but I think in the long-run the neighborhood will hold on to a more quality status. There are other dynamics at play as well but it's interesting to watch these two neighborhoods develop.
The Commercial district in Murray Hill is much more vibrant than that of Springfield. It makes MH more or a destination. Plus, look at the zip codes surrounding MH vs Springfield. There is a big difference in $$$ for the households. If Springfield were next to Riverside and Avondale, it too would be more of a destination, but how many people really move from 32208 and 32209 into 32206?
^ I agree with your point in the short-term, but I think UNFurbanist is correct in the long-term. Springfield has significantly more upside potential due to its proximity to downtown (if and when that fully recovers). I would also guess that the median income of residents of Springfield will soon, if it is not the case already, surpass that of Murray Hill. Once Springfield is fully redeveloped from a residential perspective, I expect home values are going to rise very quickly (faster than they already are) and the new residents coming in will quickly elevate the median income of the area. Springfield also has the potential for a (very) long-term boost to come from the redevelopment of the Eastside. If downtown takes off and Springfield is built out, I imagine the redevelopment will spill over into that area as it already has north of Springfield.
Something else that will be interesting to watch in the coming years is the massive number of people that are employed by UF Health just a couple blocks from the commercial district of Springfield. Most of the employees there are paid well, and some are paid extremely well. If Springfield's businesses can tap into that consumer base (even if only in a get drunk after your third shift kind of way), they stand to gain a lot of "vibrancy."
Quote from: remc86007 on July 20, 2017, 01:40:34 PMSomething else that will be interesting to watch in the coming years is the massive number of people that are employed by UF Health just a couple blocks from the commercial district of Springfield. Most of the employees there are paid well, and some are paid extremely well. If Springfield's businesses can tap into that consumer base (even if only in a get drunk after your third shift kind of way), they stand to gain a lot of "vibrancy."
Agreed - this is something that could create a "snowball effect" in Springfield. If living in Springfield was "cool" to the folks that work at UF Health, that sort of neighborhood connection is a huge advantage. I'm not in medicine, but I think it definitely helps Riverside and Avondale to have St. Vincent's in the neighborhood like it helps San Marco to have Baptist adjacent to the neighborhood.