Does Downtown Need Parking Meters?
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Each year, Downtown vision conducts a survey of downtown business and property owners of things that can be improved in our center city. Consistently, parking ranks as one of the top concerns of stakeholders. Despite the fact that DVI has been in existence for eight years, nothing has been done to improve the situation.
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Of course it will work. And for that very reason City Council will never approve it. Anything that makes good logical sense will never fly in this city. It's a plain and simple truth that we must all get used to until by some freak of nature the entire governing body of Jacksonville comes down with dementia and must be committed for their own safety. Then we, the next generation, can silently slip into power and start affecting real change for the betterment of our city and our citizens. A pipe dream I know.
so what exactly is the barrier to opening up downtown to free parking (besides Bob Carle, who appears to be the poster child for self-serving city officials)? I think the signs would do just fine.
Not too long ago I was downtown for the DVI meeting on parking downtown, when I received a ticket - for a meter that had expired for maybe 5 minutes before I arrived. errrrgggg
Where do DVI, JEDC, and FMPO stand on the meter issue?
^ Great question. However, are their stances even relevant when stacked up against the wishes Bob Carle and his ilk?
Without the revenue from the meters, how does the city fund parking enforcement? Even the signs will require some enforcement.
Other than that, I believe parking on the street should be free. I've taken risks when I didn't have change but I'm one of the lucky few that haven't gotten a ticket.
As a former Downtown resident that did not live in a space with a parking garage, it would make sense to me to be able to get downtown resident parking permits/decals that would allow 24/7 street parking to make Downtown a more attractive place to live. The hassle of feeding meters every time you wanted to unload groceries or were working on a task that would take more than a few hours was unbelievable, Downtown residents being able to bypass that would make the city a much more attractive place to live.
Nice idea.
If you add up all of the revenue from the parking meters and then come up with a total for all of the expenses directly and indirectly related to the parking meters, it would probably disclose a net loss. The parking meters are there to maintain customers in the surface parking lots by creating an artificial demand for that service.
This is a fine example of how "industry" (to call parking an industry is a laughable contortion of that word) lobbyists can have a stunningly negative impact on a city when their desires are at cross purposes with rational development imperatives, and the city administration gives them everything they ask for.
Free limited parking along the city streets would certainly help the business community, restaurants and entertainment should flurish. Parking without transit or transit without parking isn't going to work. We need to calculate in our transit usage, what it could be, where it stands to gain, and how parking, lack of parking, excess of parking etc... could play a major part in reshaping downtown. While congestion pricing probably won't work on a large scale in Jacksonville, it is possible that the municipal garages (and transit taxes on private facilities) could more then compansate for any profit from the parking division. So we'd have free on street parking, limited private lots, and massive private and public parking garages. Next focus our parking garages on mass transit - built in bus boarding, curbside electronic docking, real time information, shelter, as well as some retail and food establishments in each public garage. Where possible, they should be tied into the Skyway, and future Streetcars, or even commuter rail.
Parking poetry?
Look what's happening out in the streets
Got a revolution Got to revolution
Hey I'm dancing down the streets
Got a revolution Got to revolution
Ain't it amazing all the people I meet
Got a revolution Got to revolution
One generation got old
One generation got soul
This generation got no destination to hold
Pick up the cry
Hey now it's time for you and me
Got a revolution Got to revolution
Come on now we're marching to the sea
Got a revolution Got to revolution
Who will take it from you
We will and who are we
We are volunteers of America
OCKLAWAHA
If nothing else, could we class up the place a little bit and modernize the meters such as those in Savannah where there is 1 machine every so far and you pay then put receipt in you window?
As a downtown resident, I have personally blasted every official for the city I can think of about this issue. I spend plenty of time telling people how great it is here which is all in vain when they come out to their car and there is green ticket on it. The two parking patrolmen, who are just doing their jobs, post up out front of our building just before eight every morning and wait till the clock strikes eight to start ticketing. I know, or at least believe, that DVI is against parking meters as it disrupts everything they are working hard to accomplish. And without throwing too much mud, a quick google of Bob will show you just how qualified he is to be calling the shots with something as influencial as parking.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080920/ap_on_re_us/less_parking
Great find. This is an issue that Jacksonville needs to address.
QuoteOpponents also say the standards force developers to devote valuable land to parking, making housing more expensive.
Milwaukee, one of a small group of cities that has eased minimum parking requirements, did so because they were impeding redevelopment of struggling neighborhoods, said John Norquist, the city's mayor from 1988 to 2004.
Norquist, who today heads the Chicago-based Congress for the New Urbanism, described a lot that sat vacant for decades after a historic building burned down. The required parking made it unfeasible to build anything new there, he said. After officials relaxed the parking requirement, a thriving restaurant sprang up.
Some cities have switched directions altogether, replacing the minimum requirement with a cap on the maximum allowable number of parking spaces. London and San Francisco began making the shift decades ago. San Francisco is currently considering extending the new approach to more neighborhoods.
I love this idea. I would like to see this happen with parking spaces and front building setbacks.
It seems that a good compromise for both parties would be to allow the infrastructure of the meters to stay, but make the meters free. It would be only a slight change from the current system. This would allow a person to park for free, but also keep them mindful of the time they have stayed in a spot.
-Anthony
WhatsUpJacksonville.com
I especially like the meter on Monroe Street which gives you 15 minutes per quarter (instead of the stated 30 minutes). Of course there is the meter on Bay Street which always shows time available. I guess the City giveth and the City taketh away. :D
I like the parking meters in front of a fire hydrant.
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Quote from: stephendare on September 22, 2008, 01:25:17 PM
Quote from: downtownjag on September 20, 2008, 01:57:31 PM
As a downtown resident, I have personally blasted every official for the city I can think of about this issue. I spend plenty of time telling people how great it is here which is all in vain when they come out to their car and there is green ticket on it. The two parking patrolmen, who are just doing their jobs, post up out front of our building just before eight every morning and wait till the clock strikes eight to start ticketing. I know, or at least believe, that DVI is against parking meters as it disrupts everything they are working hard to accomplish. And without throwing too much mud, a quick google of Bob will show you just how qualified he is to be calling the shots with something as influencial as parking.
? Whats up with Bob?
Bob Carle is credited with the idea of extending the parking restrictions. Everyone here is very aware how that affects the downtown businesses and I believe that those decisions should be left to someone with some degree in urban planning, which he doesn't have. I hate to seem so negative towards someone I haven't met, because chances are he is a nice guy. Unfortunately, his ideas would make me and a lot of other people out of luck.
Quote from: WhatsUpJacksonville on September 22, 2008, 01:22:32 PM
It seems that a good compromise for both parties would be to allow the infrastructure of the meters to stay, but make the meters free. It would be only a slight change from the current system. This would allow a person to park for free, but also keep them mindful of the time they have stayed in a spot.
-Anthony
WhatsUpJacksonville.com
Are there any towns that do that?
Quote from: Lunican on September 22, 2008, 05:45:46 PM
I like the parking meters in front of a fire hydrant.
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Hey its win win as far as the city goes, if you park and don't feed the meter you get a ticket and if you do feed the meter you get a ticket. Expect the city to start putting fake fire hydrants all over town. But seriously why in the world would you enforce the meters after 5 and on weekends. In savannah after 5 its free parking
Instead of having minimum or maximum parking requirements why not just let the property owner or developer decide for themselves? That should go for density, use and setback as well. Let private property rights and local market forces determine these things.
Quote from: urbanlibertarian on September 24, 2008, 05:21:09 PM
Instead of having minimum or maximum parking requirements why not just let the property owner or developer decide for themselves? That should go for density, use and setback as well. Let private property rights and local market forces determine these things.
when private property owners own the streets then they can determine the parking regs. In the core the city owns the streets, in places like strip malls the property owners control the parking regs
I was referring to requirements for developments on private property. The developers or property owners should be able to provide as much or as little parking as they believe potential buyers or tenants will want not what the city decides is appropriate.
As for meters I can see how the city would be reluctant to give up a source of revenue after the recent property tax cuts but one would think that increased commercial activity would make up for that.
Quote from: urbanlibertarian on September 24, 2008, 07:01:09 PM
I was referring to requirements for developments on private property. The developers or property owners should be able to provide as much or as little parking as they believe potential buyers or tenants will want not what the city decides is appropriate.
As for meters I can see how the city would be reluctant to give up a source of revenue after the recent property tax cuts but one would think that increased commercial activity would make up for that.
sorry to disagree, but rational planning methods require plans for the impact of the cars any new development will attract, for example a 100 seat restaurant will need close to 50 spaces put a few of those on on city block without adequate parking and you have a logistical nightmare, while I understand the free market principles behind your thinking, in the real world it just is poor planning
Fewer regulations and requirements make economic development easier. I don't think that government understands what will make businesses and developments successful as well as business people and developers.
Quote from: urbanlibertarian on September 24, 2008, 08:20:56 PM
Fewer regulations and requirements make economic development easier. I don't think that government understands what will make businesses and developments successful as well as business people and developers.
easier is not better, government has an interest in fostering successful businesses but that is only a part of governments job, which also encompasses the needs of all concerns, not just businesses looking to exploit their location
Do you mean "exploit" as in make productive use of? Sounds like a good thing.
I drove my disabled boss downtown to attend a zoning violation meeting last week. The meeting held in city Hall was mandatory and I parked as close as I could to CH so when we came out, he would not need to walk far. I deposited the max of two quarters in the meter and stuck in a third just in case, hoping the meter guard would turn the handle for me. we were 15 minutes late in returning, had the ticket and no one turned the handle til I did to show my boss I had tried to take care of the late situation. In today's economy $1 per minute inflicted on the citizenry seems a little unjustified just to get nearby parking. But, it is always the little guy who gets kicked in the teeth.
Quote from: apvbguy on September 24, 2008, 05:25:16 PM
in places like strip malls the property owners control the parking regs
Sorry to respond to a 4 month old comment, but the above statement is one of the biggest misconceptions in the entire field of land use regulation. The nature of suburban parking is NOT controlled by private developers.
In places like strip malls, the government still completely controls the size, type, and quantity of parking spaces. They control it just as completely as in an urban setting, if not more so.
I hate meters, but I hate searching for a damn parking space more.
I went to the library yesterday to return a mega load of books, I have to hike it from the north forty (two cop cars parked in spots in front of the library but not harrassing or moving anyone from the front of the library or Hemming Plaza!) with 40lbs of books. I also had to feed a meter where I did park and fight off three different homeless dudes begging for money. I told them I had none, they said they would take change, I said I had none, they said I was feeding the meter with change.... well DUH!!!! Then I had to weave my way through the additional homeless outside the library doors (not asking for money thank God!), drop my books off, weave my way through some more homeless inside the library to pick up some new books, and then start the process back to my car......Brentwood Library is looking better and better all the time. I am about to give up on Downtown...I mean really I feel like I am fighting a losing battle with limited 'friendlies" on my side....
I hate the meters and then not being able to find a quarter to put in the stupid, dinosaur things.....speaking from my experience yesterday.
For future reference, the library has a book return drop box on Duval Street.
If you're going to be in downtown near Hemming Plaza for less than an hour, park in the library garage. Make your run, then get your parking validated at the library information desk on the main floor.
There is a library parking garage?
I had no idea...
I like that I can order any book on want on line to be delivered anywhere you like (I choose Brentwood) and just go pick it up when you get your email....I ahve found this much easier than trying to park and navigate the homeless downtown. I do miss the little stops i make at the businesses by the library while there...but I am finally starting to realize they really don't want anyone doing anything but working downtown.
Jacksonville is on the edge of ruin and they are just preying on the poor.
This one of the most racist cities in America.
All people of color know that this hell on earth is cursed, why don't white people?
and this relates to parking meters how?
OK - Who among the parking meter historians is taking meters with, what $30 worth of coins, right off their posts? This is pathetic when people resort to stealing the meters for money. From CBS47 website:
QuoteA meter mystery is creating a parking headache in Downtown Jacksonville.Someone is stealing parking meters right off their poles downtown. According to the City of Jacksonville, twenty parking meters have disappeared over the last four weeks. The meters hold at the most $30 in quarters and aren't easy to steal.
“It really takes a heavy piece of equipment or a vehicle with a chain to take [the meters] out -- a lot of effort for the small amount of change that goes into those meters,†said Bob Carle, chief of the city’s parking division.
As a result of the thefts, crews have increased the collection of money and the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office has been notified.
“It's hard to tell what motivates the folks that tear up the parking meters but it could be the nominal change that's in there or it could be the novelty of having the parking meter,†said Carle.
Most of the meters were stolen off streets that don't see a lot of on-street parking. Many of the stolen meters have been replaced with refurbished meters. The city is looking to move towards “smart†meters that accept credit cards when money is available.
Perhaps its not about the change? Maybe they should just pull up all the meters and reinstall them at SJTC. There's more money to be made there.
Quote“It's hard to tell what motivates the folks that tear up the parking meters but it could be the nominal change that's in there or it could be the novelty of having the parking meter,†said Carle.
Or maybe it's revenge.
Quote from: uptowngirl on December 16, 2008, 07:07:07 AM
I hate meters, but I hate searching for a damn parking space more. ............... fight off three different homeless dudes begging for money. .............
Without the meters the folks that work down there would park on the street to save parking fee and there wouldn't be any spaces.
I don't lie to the "give me a dollar guys" I just tell them, "No" or "No, get away from me".
Just place a time limit on the free parallel parking an enforce it like they do in downtown Cleveland and Raleigh.
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New free parallel parking spaces on Euclid Avenue in the heart of DT Cleveland
Anyway, I've noticed the missing meter heads on the street. Now I seek them out and park in those spaces to avoid having to pay. The change saved up is better spent supporting people who have taken risks to open businesses in DT despite the backwards public policy enforced on their customers.
Quote from: stephendare on December 24, 2009, 04:05:46 PM
Overstreet, there are 18thousand people living working and playing downtown. There are 36 thousand parking spaces. Even if every employee parked on the street, there would still be room for twice as many people as are presently downtown.
Where do these figures come from?
As they are far different from other published figures, please cite the source(s).
I think Stephen has excluded Riverside Avenue and the Southbank from those numbers.
maybe so Lake...but from the numbers I've seen, the northbank had more than 30,000 employees/residents a few years ago...I know there's been some job loss, but I doubt its that much.
And the parking numbers seem high, unless of course all the spaces around the stadium are being couted.
I think we should go the other direction. Since its so vital to our thriving downtown, we need to impliment parking meters/enforcement at the Town Center. I was down there tonight, and there are a ton of money making opportunities down there.
BTW, who maintains the streets in the town center? Are they city owned, or private property? If they are city owned, I demand we put meters up immediatly to help step the parking hogs who sit in those spaces for HOURS on end!!! Who do they think they are!?!
So what criteria does the city use to determine which roads to install meters on?
What is the process for adding or removing meters from a road?
Quote from: stephendare on December 24, 2009, 09:23:39 PM
the downtown northbank core has 18 thousand daily end users. and that base number is declining, not expanding.
please cite your source for this figure
Quote from: Dan B on December 24, 2009, 07:48:42 PM
BTW, who maintains the streets in the town center? Are they city owned, or private property? If they are city owned, I demand we put meters up immediatly to help step the parking hogs who sit in those spaces for HOURS on end!!! Who do they think they are!?!
inside the center, they are privately owned aznd maintained...including the traffic signal
Quote from: tufsu1 on December 24, 2009, 05:32:13 PM
Quote from: stephendare on December 24, 2009, 04:05:46 PM
Overstreet, there are 18thousand people living working and playing downtown. There are 36 thousand parking spaces. Even if every employee parked on the street, there would still be room for twice as many people as are presently downtown.
Where do these figures come from?
As they are far different from other published figures, please cite the source(s).
I need 3 things from you guys.
How many meters within the urban core (what is that core) both north and south bank.
How many garage, lot, rental parking spaces are there in the urban core (within the same bounds).
What is the daily income from the meters on both banks within said bounds.
If you can get this information and post it, even if it's a bit off, or educated guesstimate, I'll present an article on how to kill parking meters, build and support mass transit, and do it without massive public subsidy's. Deal?OCKLAWAHA
Quote from: Ocklawaha on December 24, 2009, 10:16:11 PM
I need 3 things from you guys.
How many meters within the urban core (what is that core) both north and south bank.
How many garage, lot, rental parking spaces are there in the urban core (within the same bounds).
What is the daily income from the meters on both banks within said bounds.
If you can get this information and post it, even if it's a bit off, or educated guesstimate, I'll present an article on how to kill parking meters, build and support mass transit, and do it without massive public subsidy's. Deal?[/color][/b]
OCKLAWAHA
I'd like to use a lifeline...
Come on TUFSU1, LAKE and (You know who you are "Others") see if you can find the data, I'm awaiting a reply!
WAKE UP! HELLO! ANYBODY KNOW?
OCKLAWAHA
A conference call should be scheduled with Bob and the owners of SJTC and the question should be raised why SJTC doesn't have parking meters.
Maybe Bob would get it.
I know, I know, wishful thinking...
the parking meter downtown are some of the cheapest I've seen in any downtown area . . . so are the garages . . . short term parking, you can't beat the meters . . . long term parking you can't beat the garages . . . park wisely and you won't get a ticket.
I will agree the meters are an eye sore, but that can be overcome by the ticket machines you see popping up in every other city in america to replace the meters.
uptowngirl: it sounds like your problem is with the homeless and not the parking meters.
untarded: SJTC is privately owned and can't be metered by the city.
How many parking meters do we have? Does anyone know? Are the numbers split up between north and south bank?
OCKLAWAHA
I guess the Answer would be Yes, But during these Hard Times I feel the city should bag them, or double the time for the same Quarter.
Replace the meters with Ambassadors who hold tickets all day long. They are very colorful and very helpful to people downtown....what no rail included in this discussion? I am very saddened.
D.C. tests new parking technology to help drivers find space, pay more easily
By Ashley Halsey III
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, June 29, 2010; B01
Long ago, in the tender years of baby boomers, the futuristic Jetsons had cars that parked themselves. Now, as the shadows of boomers grow long, some cars can just about do that.
Ah, you say, but can they find a parking space?
Well, yes. In less time than it took for the visionary self-parking Jetson vehicle to become a reality, so, too, will come help finding that elusive space.
"That concept really is a futuristic concept, but I firmly believe it will be happening soon," said David Palmer, marketing director for Parkeon, a company that manages parking systems.
Parkeon is one of four companies that will install innovative pilot parking programs in the District next month as the venerable parking meter speeds toward obsolescence.
Three of the systems scheduled for trial runs will have sensors in each parking space that communicate with a central control device. That control box will keep track of whether a space is occupied and, if it is, whether the vehicle's occupant has paid to park there. And three of the systems will give drivers the option of paying "the meter" by cellphone.
All four will allow payment by cash or credit card. One system will ask drivers to enter their license plate numbers at the control box when they pay, and parking enforcement officers will be able to use handheld or car-mounted scanners to determine who has paid and who will get a ticket.
Those same sensors that talk to the control box soon could talk to you, too, guiding you to available spaces.
"Washington is taking the lead in this country and almost throughout the world," said UCLA professor Donald Shoup, author of "The High Cost of Free Parking." "Washington has started its [parking] reforms at just the right time, when there's so much new technology available."
Hunting for parking produces more than frustration. Shoup studied a 15-block business district in Los Angeles and determined that cruising about 2.5 times around the block for the average of 3.3 minutes required to find a space added up to 950,000 excess miles traveled, 47,000 gallons of gas wasted and 730 tons of carbon dioxide produced in the course of a year.
The answer, he said, is balancing the cost of on-street parking with that of garage parking. That is something the District has sought to do, and a goal that could be better achieved with parking-space sensors that provide feedback on turnover and duration of vacancies.
Real-time data on available spaces would help drivers even more. Before that can happen, a complete inventory of available spaces must be made and the real-time link to your vehicle has to exist.
"It could happen with a [Global Positioning System], like TomTom or Garmin," Palmer said, or it could come through a commercial Web provider or cellphone application. In addition to helping guide drivers to a space, such technology could alert them that their parking time was about to expire and let them add more time by cellphone from wherever they might be.
With money to be made by the company that creates that final link, Palmer said he is confident it will happen soon.
"Definitely down the road," agreed John Lisle, spokesman for the D.C. Department of Transportation. "We've made data available for third-party apps in other areas that are useful to the public. That [help in finding a vacant parking space] would be very useful, so long as people aren't driving around staring down at their cellphones."
The four pilot programs are expected to be in place by July 19, beginning a 90-day trial that will help guide the District's long-term strategy. The new systems will be installed on Independence Avenue SW; on Wisconsin Avenue, Jenifer Street and 44th Street in Friendship Heights; in the 1400 block of U Street NW; in Foggy Bottom; and near Nationals Park in Southeast Washington. In each instance, tops of parking meters will be removed and the poles will display a number corresponding to the space. Using that number, drivers can enter the information required to park, either by cellphone or at a control box.
This has been a year of innovation for D.C.'s parking systems. In January, the first meters that accepted credit cards were installed at five locations. In April, the option of paying by cellphone was offered at 700 spaces in three areas of downtown: Union Station, Dupont Circle and the area of K and I streets and New York Avenue NW.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/28/AR2010062804850.html
DC has not made parking free....they just have a very advanced system...in addition to what is mentioned in the article, they also have meter boxes on some blocks (pay there, get a receipt, put it on the windhield)....and they have meters that take smartcards at Metro stations.
First time I saw meter boxes where you can chose how long you want to pay for and put the receipt on your windshield was in Paris.....FIFTEEN YEARS AGO! Why are we in the US so far behind?
DC's system isn't advanced, its old, proven technology. Our parking meters in Jax are at least fifty years obsolete.
STUPID!
Quote from: Dog Walker on June 29, 2010, 03:41:26 PM
First time I saw meter boxes where you can chose how long you want to pay for and put the receipt on your windshield was in Paris.....FIFTEEN YEARS AGO! Why are we in the US so far behind?
DC's system isn't advanced, its old, proven technology. Our parking meters in Jax are at least fifty years obsolete.
STUPID!
Having lived abroad for years, you might be shocked just how behind we are... As I've said, I went to Colombia looking for the Third World, but I only found it when I returned to Jacksonville!
As for France being ahead of us in parking meters? Well? As parking meters are a curse and anti-productive for business growth, I would rather think THEY are the ones behind!OCKLAWAHA
On the lighter side of the parking debate... I found this last night on A&E. A humorous show depicting the trials and tribulations of Meter maids, booting crews,... and of course irate people getting tickets. Locations are downtown Detroit... and best of all... Philadelphia.
http://www.aetv.com/parking-wars/index.jsp
Below is a clip of some meltdowns... If you want to see parking enforcement getting verbally abused by citizens... this is a must see!... :D
http://www.aetv.com/parking-wars/video/?bcpid=45716781001&bclid=1426313266&bctid=1424665089
Ock, Paris also has Le Metro, rubber-tired and quiet with 5 minute head times. 300KPH Train de Grande Vitesse (TGV) that can get you to London or Lyon in under 3 hours with WiFi all the way. Rental bicycle stands all over the city. 3G cellphone service everywhere. Electric delivery vans. All hybrid buses. Multiple pedestrian only streets in every district.
Yeah, you still have to pay for parking unless you have a resident's sticker, but at least their system is easy, flexible and you can use your bank card.
We are indeed behind.
You may have missed my point my friend. I agree that Paris or for that matter Bogota, Medellin or Cali are so far ahead of us we couldn't get a radar fix on them...
BUT!
In the area of requiring a fee to park, maybe ahead is really behind! SMILE ;D
OCKLAWAHA
Food for thought:
Free parking in Eugene not working as hoped: After Eugene, Oregon removed the meters from its downtown area, businesses are saying that it's not helping business, and the $500,000 in lost meter revenue probably should have gone to marketing their already free parking garage.
http://kezi.com/news/local/194321
^^ The articles quotes someone that criticizes the fact that people 'park for two hours while they workout". I sure the gym owner wouldn't have a problem with that. There seems to be a need for 30 minute spaces mixed in with the 2 hour ones. That is easily fixable, and Greenville does just that (also 15 and 60 minute spans).
Also, this is anecdotal, not a genuine study of the results.
Nevertheless, thanks for sharing.
agreed Vic...I have advocated that if we do away with our meters, we need to have time-limited parking...and that we may need some very short-term spaces...like the UPS store downtown already has (meters are 15 or 30 minutes).
^^Short time limits are notoriously hard to enforce (shorter than an hour and you basically have to have someone dedicated to that area, continuously driving around with a license plate reader device), and people find them almost as disagreeable as meters.
Quote from: finehoe on November 10, 2010, 03:48:59 PM
^^Short time limits are notoriously hard to enforce (shorter than an hour and you basically have to have someone dedicated to that area, continuously driving around with a license plate reader device), and people find them almost as disagreeable as meters.
The readers that check the two hour spaces complete a rotation in 15 minutes anyway, so it is not an issue.