The Evolution of Avenues Walk
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Names of more tenant names have been released and the Avenues Walk site plan has been modified once again.
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yawn.
Quote from: wwanderlust on September 15, 2008, 09:13:14 AM
No grocery anchor?
The Wal-Mart Supercenter should count as a grocery anchor.
wamp wamp. What a failure!
At LEAST is has the residential element (if it will ever be built). That'll help with the future idea of connecting it with the commuter rail line.
sweet...more surface parking lots. I am sure it is very walkable for the people that live there.
At least the Avenues Mall is close by so they can catch a bus. Otherwise, there are not many Plan B's for transit...until there is a commuter rail station in the vicinity.
Wow this is even more white trash now. There's absolutely nothing in there that would remotely make me want to take some winding road and deal with all the congestion in this area.
OOOH BOWLING.....and 23 Baby stores... and ANOTHER WAL MART! At least they put in the huge parking lots so we don't accidentally do something progressive in jacksprawlville.
Is it too late to just make this into a monster truck rally pit?
I say it looks pretty nice.
QuoteAt least they put in the huge parking lots so we don't accidentally do something progressive in jacksprawlville.
What would your progressive suggestion be for this parcel that is bounded by a railroad track and an interstate?
I just find it interesting that the developer would spend that kind of money on an overpass just to obtain access to it. They must have really wanted to build back there. Hopefully they will be able to tie this in to the commuter rail if it happens.
QuoteOOOH BOWLING
Bummer that bowling makes you white trash. I kind of like bowling.
Quote from: hightowerlover on September 15, 2008, 10:48:56 AM
Wow this is even more white trash now. There's absolutely nothing in there that would remotely make me want to take some winding road and deal with all the congestion in this area.
OOOH BOWLING.....and 23 Baby stores... and ANOTHER WAL MART! At least they put in the huge parking lots so we don't accidentally do something progressive in jacksprawlville.
Is it too late to just make this into a monster truck rally pit?
Let me see... lots of construction jobs, more retail jobs... As someone else said... what do you suggest for this spot? If anything rather than adding to sprawl it seems to be using empty space within the confines of Phillips and 95. Would you have preferred this more towards St Augustine?
Let's see: bowling, laser tag, video games...uh yeah, pretty "white trash". I guess it would only be better if we had another night club full of thugs, wannabe rappers, and skanky women drinking martinis? Ah yes, a truly "progressive" notion. ::)
Hey,
They wouldn't build it if it wasn't in demand. I grew up on the fridge of both the core and the newer developments so I sometimes see the views from both sides. It does seem we bash anything that's not within a 5 mile radius of downtown, even when it seems like a not so bad design such as this (it's somewhat dense at least)i'll agree I'm personally not impressed with the store tenants, (like i even shop) but that's what's in demand.
But at the same time I hear ya. It's a bit discouraging to see so many developments happen so far away from the city center and offer the same old chains dressed up in a different facade with a nice shiny lake in the middle!
The masses like it out there, whattyagonnado, anh?
Hey.......it's out in the suburbs people; what do you expect, a 70 story hotel/office complex? I think it's "right on" and appropriate for the suburbs in Jacksonville.
Heights Unknown
You gotta put on your soccermom hat when looking at these projects :D
Despite the sprawling layout (which isn't suprising, considering where its going), it is next to the railroad tracks. While its not Jackson Square, depending on where a commuter rail station goes, it can become a decent destination stop for rail passengers.
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This is the site plan for the Santee Trolley Square in suburban San Deigo, CA. Its still a sprawling typical big box retail center, but the incorporation on rail into the project makes it more walkable then typical suburban strip centers.
The numerous amount of Avenues Walk plans tell me that this concept will probably end up changing like the others. This means there may be a chance for JTA and commuter rail advocates to work with the developer to make sure it at least becomes a walkable rail destination.
Planning and development in this town really do make you want to slit your wrist. Potential being near the proposed rail line, lots of land in the development and what do they want to do... sprawl, sprawl, sprawl. Thank goodness I never have to go to the southside.
With the coming depression you should be glad there is any developement in Jax... ::)
shades of being a modern day luddite
it also looks like there is also another access point between the 2 mentioned.
are they gonna close the bed bath & beyond next to borders?
the brunswick site was a big ? for me until reading this, great idea for a clean family-oriented place to go. d&b is still too adult and all the bowling places in jax are really sketchy.
i'll say it again: the superwalmart should've been a super target!
though they boast equal men's and women's apparel on their website but tend to stock 3/4 of their retail locations with only women's and a single wall of men's; the forever 21 will be nice from a young shopper's perspective. compared to the one at regency that seems to only provide a wardrobe for those aforementioned ladies drinking martinis lol
Quote from: heights unknown on September 15, 2008, 02:56:11 PM
Hey.......it's out in the suburbs people; what do you expect, a 70 story hotel/office complex? I think it's "right on" and appropriate for the suburbs in Jacksonville.
Heights Unknown
I couldn't say it better myself. 8)
I like the monster truck mud pit idea! I would find a way to visit that for some entertainment.
I'm sure the current design will do what the developer wants - get good leasees with a solid business future. The design is fine for what it is - corporate American big box retailers. These projects are always going to happen and the Wal-Marts of the world don't see a financial turn around on spending more money on better design. I wish this was not the case, but I doubt there is any changing it... My hat is off to anyone that is able to make that happen.
Let's focus on getting some cool multi-use downtown. :D
Quotelots of land in the development and what do they want to do... sprawl, sprawl, sprawl.
It is not sprawl because of what is being built on the site as you imply, it is sprawl simply because of its location. You could build a 70 story office tower there and it is still going to be sprawling suburban office park. Likewise, you could build a couple hundred SFDUs and it will just be another sprawling suburban neighborhood.
The major issue I see with this site is that it has no real connectivity to surrounding land uses due to the barriers of the interstate and railroad tracks. Because of this fact, as it stands now it will be another auto destination similar to the many others in Jacksonville. However, unlike other developments in Jacksonville, this one has the potential to become transit oriented due to its proximity to the rail line. As lake mentioned, while it is not Jackson Square, it could become a viable stop for transit riders rather than strictly an auto-oriented destination. I would rather see a project built that has the potential for rail transit (such as this one) than a project with low rail transit potential. Hopefully the developer will follow through with the residential component so that the project will have a better mix of uses.
There must be some financial reason why developments such as this first get proposed as walkable urban designs, and inevitably de-gress into the standard parking lot strip plot with wasted-space water retention ponds instead of design incorporated lakes.
There's absolutely nothing walkable about it. Complete lie.
Quote from: rjp2008 on September 16, 2008, 11:01:24 AM
There must be some financial reason why developments such as this first get proposed as walkable urban designs, and inevitably de-gress into the standard parking lot strip plot with wasted-space water retention ponds instead of design incorporated lakes.
There's absolutely nothing walkable about it. Complete lie.
it happens because it is a formula that works, developers rarely have a social agenda in mind, their motivation is profit and the strip mall/standard shopping center concept is one that works well for them.
regarding retention ponds, in this area they are a necessary evil, do you have a better method of runoff management?
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There's absolutely nothing walkable about it. Complete lie.
Then again, define 'walkable'? Technically, I could walk to any commercial space in that development if I lived in the proposed adjacent Residential section of the property. I'd have to cross a parking lot to get to the Wal-Mart and other outparcels, it looks like, but I could still do it.
Quote from: cline on September 16, 2008, 09:33:15 AM
Quotelots of land in the development and what do they want to do... sprawl, sprawl, sprawl.
Wouldn't this also qualify more as suburban infill rather than sprawl? BridgeTroll is right that anything not within the core could probably be considered sprawl, based on semantics, but IMO this is infill - i.e. utilizing empty space within the suburban fabric - rather than extending the sprawl into previously left-alone hinterland.
Again, probably all semantics. Just a thought.
QuoteThere must be some financial reason why developments such as this first get proposed as walkable urban designs, and inevitably de-gress into the standard parking lot strip plot with wasted-space water retention ponds instead of design incorporated lakes.
I think that in this case and in many recent cases it has to do with the residential component. In order to have a walkable environment that people actual use there needs to be someplace to walk to and from. And I don't mean from your car and to the Bed Bath and Beyond. With the initial site plan there was a significant amount of residential proposed. With residential, you have residents that could easily walk from their home and to the store without ever having to get in your car. Unfortunately, with the current market conditions, residential is becoming more difficult to build and sell. Lenders do not want to lend money for residential and builders are not building as much residential due to the fact that there are no buyers. So in this case I think the builder is doing what he has to do in order to get tenants and make his pro-forma work and it looks as though it is at the expense of the residential component.
Quote from: rjp2008 on September 16, 2008, 11:01:24 AM
There must be some financial reason why developments such as this first get proposed as walkable urban designs, and inevitably de-gress into the standard parking lot strip plot with wasted-space water retention ponds instead of design incorporated lakes.
The design changes reflect the desire and demands of the retailers interested in this particular location. They also reflect the fall of the residential market. Original plans had condos on top of specialty retail, with a limited number of bix box anchors. Instead of delaying the project with hopes to start back up when the residential market returns, they split off the residential component. The specialty retail also had been replaced by a number of big box anchors. Now its up to the city and JTA to work with the developer (this is the same group proposing Bay Street Station) to make sure that their project is well integrated into a much larger vision that includes commuter rail down the FEC corridor. Even though the project now contains a ton of surface parking, there are things that can still be done to make sure its still a decent commuter rail station destination. The Santee Trolley Square layout I posted earlier is a great example of a suburban retail strip being designed in a manner that still makes the site a transit friendly development.
Here's another example of a suburban strip center that accomodates rail. This is the Cascade Station in suburban Portland. When complete it will have two light rail stops. This means that anyone living within walking distance of a rail line will be able to hop on a train to get to Target, IKEA, Best Buy and a host of other retailers, without using a car. While it may be impossible to completely reverse the suburban nature of our sprawling areas, we can make sure new developments are transit friendly. Having direct mass transit links with suburban centers like this can also benefit the urban core and those seeking to live in it.
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I just got in from a Southeast CPAC meeting. The Avenues Walk developers were there to present their latest plan. To sum things up, the people there were upset because they say they were promised a Main Street style project and now it resembles a typical strip center. I guess even Southsider's are tired of the sprawl development that engulfs this town.
The more and more I attend these type of meetings, I realize that many developers do not know how to present projects to the public. Atlantic Coast could have saved themselves a lot of heart ache by bringing a site plan to discuss their changes and brushing up on pedestrian design. Although, the market has changed since their original plan, there is a way to slightly modify their latest plan to achieve both their goals and the surrounding community's. It also did not help that they could not describe something in town that would be similar to what they have currently proposed. Just in case the developer or other's in that meeting come across this thread, its basically an Oakleaf Town Center or River City Marketplace, with a residential component next door.
Other than that, they did mention that they were paying for the six laning of Philips Highway and working with JTA to make the residential portion a TOD. I just hope they realize, its not too late to make the entire east side of the project a pedestrian friendly TOD.
Quote from: thelakelander on September 22, 2008, 08:48:05 PM
Just in case the developer or other's in that meeting come across this thread, its basically an Oakleaf Town Center or River City Marketplace, with a residential component next door.
Other than that, they did mention that they were paying for the six laning of Philips Highway and working with JTA to make the residential portion a TOD. I just hope they realize, its not too late to make the entire east side of the project a pedestrian friendly TOD.
Hey Lake, why just in case they come across this thread? How come you couldn't bring it up in the meeting? Particularly the pedestrian friendly part with the transit implementation in the examples you gave earlier in this thread.
Because the place got kind of heated and they ran out of time, after arguing back and forth with one of the residents. Also, the developer mentioned it would be similar to Birmingham's Summit, which I disagreed with. The Summit has a tenant mix similar to St. Johns Town Center. Avenues Walk has a tenant mix similar to a River City Marketplace. I felt, mentioning that would have been like showing the developer up, given the circumstances. It also didn't help that there wasn't a site plan. That makes it difficult to argue something that no one else in the room can visualize.
I think It needs to be denser with buildings and have the parking behind the core of buildings where you can only see the buildings from the highways and street. just my opinion but this is jacksonville and jacksonville will never change.
Quote from: thelakelander on September 23, 2008, 07:45:28 AM
Because the place got kind of heated and they ran out of time, after arguing back and forth with one of the residents. Also, the developer mentioned it would be similar to Birmingham's Summit, which I disagreed with. The Summit has a tenant mix similar to St. Johns Town Center. Avenues Walk has a tenant mix similar to a River City Marketplace. I felt, mentioning that would have been like showing the developer up, given the circumstances. It also didn't help that there wasn't a site plan. That makes it difficult to argue something that no one else in the room can visualize.
I see. Figured there had to be a reason. Will there be any more open forums where the developer has a chance to hear from the public?
Yes, I believe they will be coming back in front of the CPAC next month.
QuoteAvenues Walk a few steps closer
The project will include hotels and shops
By KEVIN TURNER, The Times-Union
A new bridge winding south from the intersection of Southside Boulevard and Philips Highway and over Florida East Coast Railway tracks soon will open public access to a mixed-use development that will offer shops, restaurants, apartments and office space.
Co-developer Bill Sulzbacher, president of Atlantic Coast Developers, said the bridge will open by mid-November to accommodate the grand opening of a new hhgregg store at Avenues Walk.
The 160-acre project, which co-developer Kimco Developers Inc. calls a "mixed use urban village," is being built on a previously overlooked piece of Mandarin land between Florida 9A, Interstate 95 and Philips Highway. The land had been bypassed by years of surrounding development because its access to Philips Highway was cut by Florida East Coast Railway tracks paralleling Philips.
A 200,000-square-foot Wal-Mart is to open in the spring, and other portions of the development are to follow as the site is built into a Mediterranean town center concept, said Sulzbacher, who declined to give the project's cost.
Following hhgregg and Wal-Mart will be a Forever 21 store, a 200-room Hyatt Place hotel and a 200-room Hyatt Summerfield Suites hotel, office space and other shops. More than 1,000 apartments also are planned.
Beyond the spring, however, the timeline for the other committed tenants and the rest of the project isn't concrete, Sulz-bacher said.
"The development will continue to move forward on an economic basis," he said.
Previous incarnations of the project included condominiums, but those have been scrapped due to market conditions, Sulzbacher said.
The main entrance to the Avenues Walk will be from Southside Boulevard and Philips Highway. Other access points include one that will carry traffic to and from the east, leading to an access point to Philips Highway at Cedar Street, and another that will lead south, under Florida 9A to Greenland Road, Sulzbacher said.
According to marketing information on the Kimco Web site, more than 200,000 square feet of retail space is available for lease in the development, more than 23,000 square feet is available for restaurants fronting a "water feature" lake and 50,000 square feet is available in a three-story office building that also will face the lake.
The Mikado Japanese restaurant, which had a Philips Highway location torn down to make room for the bridge, also is to locate in Avenues Walk.
The developers have an application with Jacksonville to increase the amount of retail space in the planned use development from 600,000 to 800,000 square feet, Sulzbacher said.
"There was a change in regional activity center regulations that allowed for us to seek an additional 200,000 square feet of retail," he said.
kevin.turner@jacksonville.com, (904) 359-4609
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Source: http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/092408/bus_336044519.shtml
Anyone been out there recently? Would like to see some pictures of this development.
So far, only HH Gregg is open with the Wal-Mart Monster center just about ready. The Mikado Steakhouse has been blocked up but not expected to open until December.......
Wal-Mart and HH Gregg are open and doing good business, Mikado construction is coming along quickly.
Hey Planner, Welcome aboard. Looks like Commuter Rail on the Florida East Coast RY has been quietly incorporated into the plan for parking and access. With a little imagination one can "see" several locations for busy commuter, or Park N Ride stations.
OCKLAWAHA
Quote from: thelakelander on September 22, 2008, 08:48:05 PM
I guess even Southsider's are tired of the sprawl development that engulfs this town.
You think we want sprawl? We're humans too. I had eyed this spot before I left last year as a guerilla garden site. I'll still probably do something about it. But I hate looking at it. Never shop there (or anywhere, really, except supply stores for projects). I guarantee there's a lot more like me down here who hate looking at it. Who groan every time family farm or last strip of forest becomes a horrid patch of little boxes. We hate sprawl as much as someone living in the Urban Core, and if we could stop the building of another Wal-Mart, we would.
Wasn't a California Pizza Kitchen supposed to go in here? What happened to that?
Yes, CPK, Red Robin and several others (Brio, McCormick and Schmidts, etc.) were supposed to go into Avenues Walk. In my opinion, this project has taken a real nose dive. Just about no tenant scheduled to go in ever really committed.
Wal-Mart and Dollar Tree should basicaly NEVER anchor your project. HH Gregg is good though.
Poor planning and a weak leasing/ growth environment (economic conditions) lead me to believe that this development is going to stagnate for a very long time before it grows to any real potential (if ever).
On the bright side, that is by far the nicest Wal-Mart I have ever been to. I will make it a point to shop at that Wal-Mart (if I am going to Wal-Mart). To those who have not been yet, I recommend taking a stroll. It's not mind blowing, but for Wal-Mart standards, you will be throughly impressed.
Quote from: chipwich on July 02, 2009, 10:49:27 PM
Yes, CPK, Red Robin and several others (Brio, McCormick and Schmidts, etc.) were supposed to go into Avenues Walk. In my opinion, this project has taken a real nose dive. Just about no tenant scheduled to go in ever really committed.
Wal-Mart and Dollar Tree should basicaly NEVER anchor your project. HH Gregg is good though.
Poor planning and a weak leasing/ growth environment (economic conditions) lead me to believe that this development is going to stagnate for a very long time before it grows to any real potential (if ever).
On the bright side, that is by far the nicest Wal-Mart I have ever been to. I will make it a point to shop at that Wal-Mart (if I am going to Wal-Mart). To those who have not been yet, I recommend taking a stroll. It's not mind blowing, but for Wal-Mart standards, you will be throughly impressed.
I agree....I HATE Wal-Mart, but this is BY FAR the nicest one I have ever seen.
Oh well the place could have been okay if the plans had not been mutilated. And Wal-Mart will still probably bring it down many notches. Most better chains will stay away because of WM....
While not officially within the confines of Avenues Walk, it looks like a MEGA entertainment center is on deck at the site of the closed Toys Я Us (had to hunt for that R). I noticed the signage this afternoon once I exited the Ronald Reagan ;) Highway onto Philips. Side note: I'm willing to bet that Philips Highway is the most misspelled in town with that one l & all. Back on topic, the place will be called Latitude or something along that line with an "upscale bowling alley" - what an oxymoron! Someone beat me to it before I get back, but I swear I saw something on the sign along the lines of Drive in movies as well.........Can anyone clarify?
There was supposed to be some bowling alley/entertainment center within the avenues walk project...not sure if that's what you saw though.
That's gotta be it. BTW, hurry up and post something trivial, at least, ProjectMaximus - 666 posts makes me feel sinister. :-X
per the front page photo from this article..."Proposed Brunswick Zone XL."
http://www.bowlbrunswick.com/
Quote from: blizz01 on August 29, 2009, 12:15:55 AMBTW, hurry up and post something trivial, at least, ProjectMaximus - 666 posts makes me feel sinister. :-X
Haha, i was feeling a bit evil for the past 15 minutes.
Upscale Bowling? cool.
And now, PM, you are BEYOND evil!!
Here's the link to Latitude 30 - sort of a Dave & Buster's on roids. It was a "dine in" theater, not "drive in" as my brain registered at 45 mph.......
http://www.latthirty.com/index.shtml
Prediction for Lat 30, bankruptcy.
Ouch. That's what I thought about HH Gregg, but that crazy big Wal-Mart seems to have revived things there........there was nary a car in sight for the first few month of this year. I will say this, though - the sports bar looks pretty sweet!
Quote from: Captain Zissou on September 01, 2009, 10:59:36 AM
Prediction for Lat 30, bankruptcy.
Yikes but probably the truth. I wonder if they can project a hologram of the moon???
QuoteI wonder if they can project a hologram of the moon???
Hey Hey! That's gonna happen! Guess it's time to jumpstart that thread. ;)
Quote from: blizz01 on September 01, 2009, 11:26:23 AM
QuoteI wonder if they can project a hologram of the moon???
Hey Hey! That's gonna happen! Guess it's time to jumpstart that thread. ;)
i tried to awhile ago.
so i guess the brunswick thing wont happen...they can't both be there.
Now that's what I'm talking about...that place looks fantastic. It's probably going to make parking around there a nightmare (being right next to that Olive Garden which you can't find a spot at unless they're closed), but wow does that place look good. Only thing I wouldn't have done is the gaming section - D&B already does that. Now, put a comedy club in there instead...oh well, can't have everything.
Any word on when that opens?
Looks promising to me.
Cool concept... Seems ambitious to me...and I mean that in terms of space. That's a lot of "activity centers" to fit into a 46k sq ft space. Most of the upscale bowling centers across the country are +/-25k sq ft, which is only bowling, bars/restaurant, and maybe a few pool tables. If they can squeeze it all in, how do you separate the crowd noise, music, and bowling pins crashing from those sitting a few feet away trying to watch a movie?
I agree grange. I think they will do 4 things poorly rather than 1 thing well. I also don't know if that is the location or market for such an endeavor.
I think that the location is fine. Consider that the Regal theater down the street seems to do quite well. Also, this is not only a supplement to Avenues Walk (which WILL have a multi family & lodging compent one day), but the Avenues Mall & feeder developments such as Nocatee & Palencia down the US1 corridor. I initially didn't like the Dave & Buster's location, but I haven't heard of struggles - I'm sure that they capitalize some on the hotel pool within close proximity, too.
Nice story on Latitude 30 -
QuoteBrent Brown calls it a “no-veto venue.â€
“When you’re trying to decide where to go,†he said, “it’s a place where everybody in the car would have something to do. The kids can play, the wife can catch a movie and guys can sit in a sports bar and watch the game.â€
Brown is managing partner with Latitude 30, an entertainment complex going in where Toys R Us used to be across from The Avenues mall on Philips Highway.
Named after Jacksonville’s location on a map, Latitude 30 will have under one roof:
n Sunset 30 Tavern & Grill, a 300-seat restaurant that will be at the heart of the complex. Brown described it as Americana cuisine with burgers, pizzas, pastas, wood-grilled steaks and seafood and 30 appetizers that can be ordered in any of the other rooms. Prices will be $5 to $25.
n Axis Bar & The Skybox bar and sports theater with stadium seating.
n Game room and pool tables.
n Twenty-lane bowling alley.
n Midnight Sun Cinegrille will be a 66-seat theater showing movies. They’re hoping for first-run movies, but are still awaiting final distribution rights.
n Axis Live, a 300-seat life show room, featuring live entertainment such as music, comedy and dinner theater.
The developers are putting all that in the 45,000 square feet that once housed Toys R Us. The $7 million project was funded by the Brownstone Group, which will build and own the complex, along with private and hedge funds. It will hold about 1,800 people total and is expected to open in April. It’s expected to employ 150.
Brown said that his partner, Damon Brush, first came up with the idea several years ago after seeing a similar project in Colorado. They looked at other similar complexes around the country: Splitsville in Texas, IPic in Wisconsin, Big Al’s in Vancouver, Wash. Big Al’s is opening another soon in Oregon.
None have quite as many different venues as Latitude 30, he said, but at the heart of most of them are bowling and dining. For those who don’t know, so-called “boutique bowling†has revived the past time that has been in decline since the 1960s with a more upscale feel.
“We have the space for what Jacksonville is lacking in live entertainment,†Brown said, “where you can bring the family during the day and at night it morphs into the bar.â€
Many of the spaces can serve multiple purposes, Brown said, and he’s expecting corporate parties and workshops to be 25 percent of their revenue. The theater can be used for presentations, five of the bowling lanes can be curtained off for a private party.
Big Al’s, he said, will average seven parties a day this month.
Brothers Brent and Kyle Brown formed Jacksonville-based Brownstone Developers five years ago. Most of their work has been residential. They’re developing La Terrazza Villa Homes on Baymeadows Road.
So they’ve contracted with Trifecta Management Group, a California company that manages eight similar complexes around the country.
And Brown said he’s not concerned about opening during a questionable economy. The other complexes he’s talked with are doing well. Shenanigans, which features bowling and an indoor go-cart track, opened earlier this year outside of Dallas and is already ahead of projections, he said.
http://jacksonville.com/business/2009-11-30/story/latitude_30_will_have_something_for_everybody_in_the_spring
A couple of years ago I spent a lot of time doing research on Big Al's and some of the other alleys for Damon Brush, while employed with a former company. I also worked a few years with the Brown brother's mother. I wish this concept would have been bought to the urban core but I hope they do well.
Perfect spot for commuter rail stop. I'm just sayin.
Very true!
Quote from: JeffreyS on November 30, 2009, 10:38:54 PM
Perfect spot for commuter rail stop. I'm just sayin.
Yes! Take Avenues Walk back to its original proposal with the mixed-use design!
ugh, it's too perfect to happen in Jax.
Look on the bright side. The economy has slowed the development of the project. Maybe by the time things pick up again, we'll be committed to funding the SE commuter rail corridor and have identified an estimated starting date. If that can happen, there would be a decent chance of Avenues Walk being redesigned again to take advantage of future market demands.
I just recently moved to the baymeadows area so I shop at that wal mart at avenues walk. Doesnt look like much more is happening anytime. I dont see any signs of it anyways.