I was just browsing MJ and found a website with old pictures from 5 Points, Riverside, Avondale, etc.. And I stumbled upon this image of Frank's Barbershop!
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I was born in 1982 at NAS JAX, and grew up in Riverside. Most of my time growing up was spent in the 5 Points Deli, which I unfortunately don't have any pictures of, which is now known as Gina's Deli. I think it was a library or business before that? But seeing that picture of Frank from back in the day brings back all those memories. I would run around 5 Points and into the different shops all the time, it was fun for me. I'd first go visit Frank, who by the way, gave me my very first haircut, and several more after that. He would always make me squirm when he'd shave the back of my neck, and I still still remember sitting on the adjuster so he didn't have to bend down! I remember a bunch of older guys, newspapers everywhere, pictures, and classical music playing. The smell of aftershave, and talks of the good 'ole days. Other places I used to run off to were Abernathy, Kelly's Gas Station, Edge City, and 5 and Dime.
While spending my time at the deli, I'd never have anything better to do than to talk to some of the people who came in. I remember my Uncle Murray, as I called him, since we both have the same last name but weren't related, and my Grandmother, would always drink coffee and read the paper. A few people would come in and join them to talk about stuff, and I'd just sit around twiddling my thumbs. Artis Gilmore & Ed Austin were regulars, and very nice guys, and cool for putting up with me!
So, I just wanted to share a bit of my 5 Points experience as a kid, and hope that someone here will have tons of pictures from the 80's, 90's, and even older so I could reminiscence!
That dime store was fabulous. My husband's family owned Bremer Brace which is still working in Five Points. Going to the newsstand or the shops or Hargraves restaurant was a daily occurrence.
Petersens!!!! I want to see a picture of Petersens 5 and Dime. God I miss that dusty tacky place.
I remember buying so many decks of cards from that place, and all the women there knew me from when I was born lol. I really hope someone here has pictures of more than the Club 5 side of 5 Points. Those are the first pictures of Franks Barbershop from the older days I've EVER seen.
That Schinn bicycle outside the shop is cool too. Wish I still had mine. Hmmmm, the good old days.
Does ANYONE have pictures?! I'm starting to think that every spot in 5 Points has been photographed except the old Deli! :(
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In a swamp, at the far end of the HORSE-CAR-LINE was a picnic ground called 5-Points (about 1884)
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The Landscape isn't the same, here we see Brooklyn in the foregound and Riverside in the background...See anything familiar? (Post War of Yankee Aggression)
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Riverside "at the bend" the Great Memorial Park would be just to the right, AFTER we fought WWI!
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By the Great Florida Boom and the end of WWI, Riverside/5-Points was respectable (about 1918)
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Riverside Park at 5-Points, from a view I've never seen before.
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HOW SWEET! Whilst digging for 5-Points/Riverside, I unearth a JTCO semi-convertable streetcar. LAKELANDER and I were right in our guess that they did NOT run in the street here either! Note the grass and side-of-the-road-running, which seems to be a trademark of our old system - YEARS ahead of it's time in THAT thought!
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Another view of the Riverside Park, Gee where is that bridge today?
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Anyone know if this building survives? Wow, what a house it would make, Riverside Police Station!
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COULDN'T RESIST THE DESIGNS BY H. J. KLUTHO ADVERTISMENT!
Does anyone know if the Apostles or Deciples are still buried in Riverside?
OCKLAWAHA
Ock, thank you quite kindly sir! Those pictures were actually quite pleasant to see!
Seems a lot of businesses exists on former swamps, Roosevelt Square anyone?
Here's something for you Ock:
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It's hard to tell from this pic, but that is the Riverside Police Station. It is located at 1041 S. Mcduff, next to the fire station.
Wow, great find Riverside_mail
Frank was a top notch barber! I always went there while it was open! Great picture. Now I go to Jun's barber Shop in Arlington, specifically because Jun cuts my hair similar to the way frank did. Jun is great, too. Even though Frank's was in 5 Points (Riverside), I've actually seen him in Arlington, at the grocery store that used to be Albertsons but is now Publix, on Merrill Road.
I remember thinking:" I have never seen so many doll heads in one place!" ah yes Petersens was a cool place...any color button or thread you could imagine and a great place for a cheap Halloween costume if you only had a few bucks to spend.
Does anyone remember what Fans and Stoves was?...I have heard A&P,Kroger,and Winn Dixie.
Also what was the store that was probably in Nicotines before...had "The Pain Cave" piercing salon inside.(Back When "Saturday night Seduction" was at Club 5.) remember Raven? and the Cage dancers? :-X
l can still SMELL Petersen's; at 5 points and San Marco. Each had its own distinctive, not unpleasant, aroma. Lived on Dellwood when we first moved to Jacksonville from South Georgia. To me, the whole area was just fascinatingly urban.
Every Christmas, my uncle tells the story of how he would go down to the Peterson's Five and Dime on a Saturday on the bus, and come back 4 hours later with everyone's presents spending a quarter.
He also once bought a Lee Adams painting for 10 cents. My family was close to him as they lived just around the corner and my other uncle would clean up around his studio from time to time when Mr Adams was busy painting the World's Fair murals.
Scarlett, I do remember a dusty "northern attic" type smell at Petersens..not quite as musty as dusty,southern humidity,15 year old stock..dry rotted beams?
I also remember Jim? from FUEL making a tribute board,actually quite large (5'X15'?) hanging above the doorway made from buttons and other stock he inherited from the sale...He joked about having a large Garage stuffed full with the rest of the Doll heads and stuff.
I think back on why I never took a photo of the place with my trusty Nikon FM SLR that was with me frequently at the time...
Well like everyone else,I thought they would be around forever..I know..typical JAX excuse. :-[
Let this be a lesson.
Fans & Stoves was a Setzers(?) then became Towers Hardware. Towers was still there in 1983.
Wow! Late 80's & 90's as nostalgic past. Am I old or is this to recent to be considered "history"? Now Ock's photos are history!
Contemporary history maybe. It is almost 2011, Five Points has changed a lot since the 90's and 80's. My memories consist mainly of catching a good show at club 5 and hanging out at fuel as teenager in-between record/tape/cd rummaging sessions at the theory shop. I believe there was another record shop a few doors over from there, but I can't recall the name.
And who can forget the tattoo/piercing shop that made national news from all the tongue splitting, human hanging, gentalia altering illegal(ish?) mini-surgeries that they did. Needleworks right?
I'm not sure about the history of this effort, but doesn't RAP or the city or the people of Riverside-Avondale want to put something beautiful or significant at the Five Points Intersection? That ugly cheeseball traffic signal (which confuses 60% of the people entering the intersection anyway) is completely underwhelming for such an important junction of the city. How bout a fountain, an obelisk, a statue of Klutho, a sculpture...? Is anyone working on this?
That blinkey light in the intersection is OLD! Ugly, but old. It's been there since the '50's at least.
Various attempts have been made to decorate it; the most recent were little glass blobs all over it. JTA just repainted it and put reflectors in the pavement to try to keep people from hitting it all the time.
Since yellow and red blinking lights don't seem to mean anything to drivers anymore maybe they should top it with blinking led signs that say STOP in one direction and DON'T STOP in the other underlined with a crawling arrow that shows the correct side for going past it.
If that intersection was just a little larger it would be a great place for a roundabout, but it is my understanding that is is just too tight for trucks to get around anything larger than the current signal.
ubben,
There was a proposal to replace the blinky light with a giant eagle as part of the Town Center road improvements. People rallied to defend the existing light. It does date from the 50's, and has become very identified with 5 Points.
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That said, there is plenty of room for that intersection to be improved. I have heard people say that there's not enough room for a true roundabout, but I can't find where the City has actually studied it...
Maybe the transportation planning department at MetroJax can take a look... There is a lot of room on the "corners" that is currently sidewalk.
So we can't build more buildings because of parking issues. We can't make an intersection 'safer' because of big trucks.
The machines are taking over and they're winning.
NRW, if it was up to me, ALL articulated tractor-trailer combinations would be banned from the entire Riverside/Avondale Historic District. When the roads in this area were planned there was nothing so large and our roads really cannot take them safely. Watching a 50+plus trailer being negotiated through 5 Points gives one heartburn.
Quote from: Dog Walker on December 08, 2010, 02:09:05 PM
NRW, if it was up to me, ALL articulated tractor-trailer combinations would be banned from the entire Riverside/Avondale Historic District. When the roads in this area were planned there was nothing so large and our roads really cannot take them safely. Watching a 50+plus trailer being negotiated through 5 Points gives one heartburn.
Dog
How then would Publix, St Vincents, and the various bars and restaurants in the neighborhood get restocked then?
Box trucks that can safely maneuver on our tight streets. When you look at the amounts that are off-loaded you can see that smaller trucks could do the job just fine.
Quote from: fieldafm on December 08, 2010, 02:11:52 PM
Quote from: Dog Walker on December 08, 2010, 02:09:05 PM
NRW, if it was up to me, ALL articulated tractor-trailer combinations would be banned from the entire Riverside/Avondale Historic District. When the roads in this area were planned there was nothing so large and our roads really cannot take them safely. Watching a 50+plus trailer being negotiated through 5 Points gives one heartburn.
Dog
How then would Publix, St Vincents, and the various bars and restaurants in the neighborhood get restocked then?
Sysco - Box Truck, National Beverage - Van/Box Truck, Freshpoint - Box Truck - for all the others, there's Riverside Ave and Oak St w/ a dolly.
Quote from: David on December 08, 2010, 11:32:26 AM
Contemporary history maybe. It is almost 2011, Five Points has changed a lot since the 90's and 80's. My memories consist mainly of catching a good show at club 5 and hanging out at fuel as teenager in-between record/tape/cd rummaging sessions at the theory shop. I believe there was another record shop a few doors over from there, but I can't recall the name.
And who can forget the tattoo/piercing shop that made national news from all the tongue splitting, human hanging, gentalia altering illegal(ish?) mini-surgeries that they did. Needleworks right?
If I am not mistaken, you must be referring to Now Hear This! (No, I am not excited, there was an exclamation point in the name)
despite the size and placement of the grounded signal, and the recent Margaret St. resurfacing from Gilmore, coupled with the newly replaced reflectors, and "Keep right" signage with the restriping mentioned above, mixed with the dump-truck logic of using the correctly sized vehicle to serve the inventory control measures of the 'hood's merchants and entertainment venues etc.. . isn't this a roundabout?!? Or are we not calling it a roundabout because all traffic stops except Park St.?
traveling away from the river on Margaret St, toward Gilmore with Mossfire and O'Brother's on my right, approaching Park st., if I wish to simply cross Park to reach Forbes and beyond, should I round the signal or just keep my wheels straight?
I am sometimes that a**hole that slowly rounds the damn thing when the stop signs are loaded to see whoelse will follow suit.
mini social experiment or me being crazy? you decide.
@Bill Ectric You've seen Frank in Arlington? Wow, I'd really like to get ahold of him some how, I'll have to ask my Grandmother if she has his number still!
For the first time in 16 years, I went to Gina's Deli yesterday morning on the way back from a bike trip down St. Johns to Riverside Ave and then the Riverwalk. I talked to Jackleen and told her that I had grown up in this very Deli. I informed her on the passing of Haywood Murray, my Uncle of no relation, just last name. She was a bit sad, and told me that even after he sold the Deli to her brother, he'd come in and have coffee with them for awhile. She still remembered my Grandmother, and was amazed that it'd been so long since I'd been in there. She then offered me a card with a hole punch and a menu and asked if I'd suggest the deli for anybody. Of course, I'll be doing my best to help out :)
Something I never shared before. The back room of the Deli had an upstairs that housed a mostly empty room that held a bunch of empty boxes, and nothing really more than that. There was a door that led to the rooftop, however they'd never let me go up there by myself. My accident prone ass would be just the one To fall off there *snicker*. The downstairs had a BUNCH of mannequins, fashion magazines, old coolers, etc... When the Deli was busy, I'd either hide in the food prep room, the kitchen, or the backroom, it was all I had to do when I couldn't help or my Grandmother wouldn't let me run from shop to shop :P
I've always wondered what was in that upstairs. Does it extend over Basel's Tailor Shop too? The shops in 5 Points were altered and added onto at the back over the years. There are all sorts of extra rooms and unused second stories along there.
BTW, Gina's was vandalized Thursday night by some jerk.
I'm sorry to hear that. I can remember a few times when I'd arrive at the Deli in the morning's with my Grandmother and some idiot had broken the glass window doors to break in.
Not sure if the upstairs extended over the tailor shop, it was always dark up there and I never knew where the lightswitch was, if there ever was one to begin with. I do know that there were 2-3 doors leading into businesses that were on Park, and that's about it.