Hey everyone. I want to reach out to all of Jacksonville. I and my partners are looking to open up our own night venue. What we want to know is what is it that the Jacksonville people want to see in clubs that they don't have here. What would make in your opinion one of the best entertainment spots Jax has to offer. I really would love your input. Also I'd like to see if there is a network of investors that I can contact or if there is a forum available to network with investors. Your input would be greatly appreciated.
Another thing we are going to be putting in is coffee shop downstairs. Yeah, most people are going to say...oh no not another coffee shop, but it'll be nothing like your typical franchise coffee shop. We want to add character and we want to add the feature where you can just go and be able to chill, maybe read a book or whatever but still be around a social setting. I was looking at some coffee shops around the country and saw some things that I think would go great. But before I say what I saw, share some ideas of what you think would take a coffee shop over the top. Remember, we are looking to cultivate a spot that is going to be somewhat a central point for entertainment...regardless your taste. I invite you's to continue to share your opinion.
Thank You!
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Yeah, we really do need more venues in or near downtown. As for the style, hmmm. Do we have any sleek modern clubs in the area? Something very cosmopolitan like you would find in the nation's largest cities. I don't think anything on Bay st or anywhere near downtown would fit that description. I haven't seen ultra bar yet so I don't know if that would count, but I’d imagine something with a minimalistic approach and CLEAN. Maybe a venue that could host spoken word events or open mic like fuel used to do during it's downtime, and then ramp up to host the more typical/mainstream club atmosphere. Hey, maybe it could even book some concerts as the music venues we have in Jax are pretty sparse. If cafe 11 in St Augustine can pull in some good acts like they've been doing, I’m sure it could be done here.
Something like Fly's Tie that is in Atlantic Beach would be nice.
I know we have London Bridge, but ever since they switched owner's / management it hasn't been the same.
I am looking forward to the opening of Bold City Brewery, but that seems like it is going to be more of a grab a growler and go place then a hang out spot or a venue for live music.
I guess I would like something that gets shows like Jack Rabbit's but that is larger, maybe offers late night bar fare and is a little bit cleaner. Like a Seven Bridges or Ragtime in the metro area that gets some good live rock or chill music.
There is a place called the Rail in Savannah ... if we had a place like that here, it would be awesome! Wall Street and Shanty have pieces of that vibe but it's not quite the same. Maybe just because the Rail has an old school table pacman. :o
If you're considering more of the bar/pub atmosphere like Steph suggested, I'd think a belgian bar/tavern would go over well in Jacksonville. There's a great one in Philly called Eulogy.
See http://www.eulogybar.com/
I would like to see a upscale jazz spot. I think that would be nice for the 25 and up crowd with live jazz bands from all over the country to local jazz bands. Downtown of course. as long as u stay open past 2 o,clock
Whatever you choose, would it be possible to offer drunk munchies? Even the hot dog vendor in front of The Pearl would be great.
We're definitely going to be offering more of a variety as far as entertainment. Theme nights is definitely happening, plus we will be looking to get connected with the local bands network to highlight them. Amongst the building there will be food offered at late night, what we don't know yet, but definitely a little better than hotdogs. Plus we want to also attract the HIGH ROLLERS so the atmosphere is going to very smooth, intimate, plus have the feel of prominence. What we have planned is definitely going to reflect more from the BIG cities like NY City, Miami era. We think its the perfect time to bring it to Jacksonville.
I cant wait
Oh yeah, one more thing...This will be a 21+ women, and 25+ men club. I'm tired of all these clubs here that have all these kids and the BS that comes with them. No offense to the younger crowd.
is this going to be downtown?
Yeah, it'll be in the heart of downtown...can't divulge the area for no compete, but believe me the place we're looking at is PRIME.
Check out One Ocean at the beach - they seem to be hitting on all cylinders......best of luck.
Just went to a bar/club called Halo in Midtown Atlanta last night across from my apartment. It is in an almost solid brick building with a plain metal door in the side of the building. It looks almost like nothing but on the inside it is multistoried, there are image screens, cool modern decor, a marble bar that lights up, and the bar looks like something the doctors from Nip Tuck would be regulars at. It is very cosmopolitan, of course this is Atlanta, so things did not pick up on a Monday night till about midnight! Jacksonville could not pull something off that late, or probably that cosmopolitan yet, but it is worth a try. We were the youngest ones in there, but there were not too many people over 30-35. It was also about half gay half straight, more of a mix than the Pearl which seems sometimes more gay imho, but Jax is of course a little less accepting I think. Also I agree on your ages, in Jacksonville it seems all the clubs are for kids, they are all 18+ so of course that brings in the 15 y.o.'s, and nobody around here seems to enforce a dress code of some sort, I appreciate J Crew or Express or whatever over South Pole and Ecko with baggy jeans and sneakers. Oh, but drinks don't have to be expensive ;D we aren't a rich city yet lol.
I would welcome a dress code that is enforced. No sneakers, no jeans and no polos.
Strategic ambient lighting.
Ample seating to encourage conversation in between drinks and songs.
Non-douchebag staff.
Reasonable cover and drink prices.
Cleanliness.
Can you reveal part of what your market researched has uncovered?
I'm sure someone will disagree with me .. but I'm just going to throw this out as food for thought.
I don't see how a place that is HIGH ROLLER and COSMOPOLITAN and a live local band mix - I just don't.
What you seem to be trying to achieve is more of a clean, lounge atmosphere with some square white leather couches where people come out with their $350 purses. And what we call that in NJ is a coke club. Because that is exactly what it is. Rich high rollers come there to schmooze, drink some ritzy cocktails and listen to whatever trendy music is hot at the time. Something more reminiscent of the techo/ drum n' bass days with little or no lyrics.
If you are truly looking to create a swanky "it" place to be for a mature, economically stable crowd you probably are not going to be serving food unless it's sushi or some other dainty, non-messy beautiful food.
Most 21 year-old females don't have the cash for the $12 martinis they serve at Bistro AIX and B.B.'s unless daddy is paying their bill or they are out with some 30 year old sugar daddy.
Live Local Music
High Roller
Late Night Food
That is just too much going on. Pick one approach and stick to it. A place that tries to be all things to all people just doesn't work in my opinion. Not enough focus.
I'm not opposed to a place that is VIP but just make sure everything you do says that.
A fine dining establishment doesn't put a sign out front that says "fine dining".
Again, not an attack - just food for thought from someone with a marketing & branding background.
Most places like that require if you are sitting, you order a bottle of something and it might be a $150 minimum for example. Not sure something like that would fly in Jax, esp. downtown. Maybe at the beach.
Seems like another Dive / Mark's / Pearl would be more viable.
I was thinking that Mark's is Higher Class. I must not be the demographic to have an opinion on this topic.
Good luck...
So far the consensus is that we need something more up to date. More cosmopolitan/eclectic atmosphere. Also variety has been a common concern. There aren't any bars or clubs offering variety. In my opinion thats why they phase out. Another one that has really impressed me is that there are quite a few that want a place where it offers intimacy with a classic style. I've gotten a tremendous amount of feedback which is great. Alot of what we are contemplating on bringing to the table is right down the alley of all what people want to see in a local venue.
Upscale restaurants that can double as a dance area/refreshment place would be great. Places that are "just nightclubs" to me fizzle out too quickly and/or attract a more seedy crowd.
A "Bongos" like that in Miami Airlines Arena would be fantastic. Latin and mixed music draws a crowd unlike any other and is sure to create a consistent fun atmosphere.
Check the Library Markets thing on Bay - they're looking for ideas in that area.
Quote from: stephElf on August 26, 2008, 12:06:28 PM
I'm sure someone will disagree with me .. but I'm just going to throw this out as food for thought.
I don't see how a place that is HIGH ROLLER and COSMOPOLITAN and a live local band mix - I just don't.
What you seem to be trying to achieve is more of a clean, lounge atmosphere with some square white leather couches where people come out with their $350 purses. And what we call that in NJ is a coke club. Because that is exactly what it is. Rich high rollers come there to schmooze, drink some ritzy cocktails and listen to whatever trendy music is hot at the time. Something more reminiscent of the techo/ drum n' bass days with little or no lyrics.
If you are truly looking to create a swanky "it" place to be for a mature, economically stable crowd you probably are not going to be serving food unless it's sushi or some other dainty, non-messy beautiful food.
Most 21 year-old females don't have the cash for the $12 martinis they serve at Bistro AIX and B.B.'s unless daddy is paying their bill or they are out with some 30 year old sugar daddy.
Live Local Music
High Roller
Late Night Food
That is just too much going on. Pick one approach and stick to it. A place that tries to be all things to all people just doesn't work in my opinion. Not enough focus.
I'm not opposed to a place that is VIP but just make sure everything you do says that.
A fine dining establishment doesn't put a sign out front that says "fine dining".
Again, not an attack - just food for thought from someone with a marketing & branding background.
Most places like that require if you are sitting, you order a bottle of something and it might be a $150 minimum for example. Not sure something like that would fly in Jax, esp. downtown. Maybe at the beach.
Seems like another Dive / Mark's / Pearl would be more viable.
I appreciate your input and you are absolutely correct. You cannot have all that in one club. Imagine though, if you could offer the option of enjoying your night club atmosphere OR being able to go into a private lounge that offers the feel of privacy plus the enjoyment of live music and not affected at all by surrounding activities. The target audience is basically your mature professional crowd. But there is money here in Jax, don't underestimate the "money" here. And in reference to food, there is alot more "drunk" food out there than just hotdogs that is very affordable. We're not looking to get into the fine dining area, thats another thing in itself. But what's the first thing people think of as soon as they leave the club? FOOD!
I appreciate the input....PLEASE KEEP 'EM COMING, IT JUST GIVES ME MORE INFORMATION TO GO ON...THANK YOU!!
Well, since Toney Sleiman doesn't seem to be doing anything with the defunct Club Paris there may be a great opportunity to turn that space into something even better. The decor, location, and views are top notch.
Club Paris is now Mavericks and seems to be doing fine. It is a country/honkytonk which limits its clientele to only 3/4 of Jax... :o
Jeeze. I didn't even know it opened. I feel dumb now..
Not exactly my kind of place but I have been in there and everyone looked like they were having fun...
Quote from: BridgeTroll on August 26, 2008, 03:52:00 PM
Not exactly my kind of place but I have been in there and everyone looked like they were having fun...
I've been there too and its not bad. It does have a "FUN" atmosphere but still not at the level that I think needs to be downtown.
QuoteRich high rollers come there to schmooze, drink some ritzy cocktails and listen to whatever trendy music is hot at the time.
Reminds me of a couple of places in DC just south of Dupont Circle. The first is the 18th Street Lounge (http://www.18thstreetlounge.com/ (http://www.18thstreetlounge.com/)). During happy hour, the place would attract more of a yuppie professional crowd, while after 9 or 10 the crowd turned decidedly trendy. The building is an old rowhouse, so the venue has multiple floors. One floor might have a DJ playing drum n' bass, while another would have a live jazz band. No food, though. At the time, no reservations or minimums were required to sit down, but based on the website, that appears to have changed.
The other was 1223, spelled out in Roman numerals (http://www.1223dc.com/ (http://www.1223dc.com/)). This place did serve food, but like stephElf mentions, I believe it was primarily sushi. I never spent much time there, so I'm less familiar with this place.
If I recall, the cover to get in either of these places was $20 back in 1999. I have no idea what it is now, or whether Jacksonville residents would be willing to pay anything close to that. DC has a lot of wealthy lawyers, lobbyists, and diplomats' kids.
Quote from: toneloc007 on August 26, 2008, 10:50:22 AM
Yeah, it'll be in the heart of downtown...can't divulge the area for no compete, but believe me the place we're looking at is PRIME.
Bay Street!! Bay Street!! Bay Street!! Bay Street!!!
Don't be a Turtle Complete the circle!!
Quote from: BridgeTroll on August 26, 2008, 03:37:46 PM
Club Paris is now Mavericks and seems to be doing fine. It is a country/honkytonk which limits its clientele to only 3/4 of Jax... :o
lol I knew that joke was coming!
I woul like to see a club that is just that a club with people who are similar or like me frequenting. they would sign up online and give their credentials and be accepted by points and their persoanl interests in keeping the club alive and functional. I would like to see this CLUB effect be not accepting of anyone, but mainly professionals-nurses, doctors, the gov't, teachers and even students. These persons should have the necessities to keep the club running smoothly and right. Dreaming and Creating. deb of jacksonville
Quote from: JOHANNA747 on September 15, 2008, 05:32:06 AM
I woul like to see a club that is just that a club with people who are similar or like me frequenting. they would sign up online and give their credentials and be accepted by points and their persoanl interests in keeping the club alive and functional. I would like to see this CLUB effect be not accepting of anyone, but mainly professionals-nurses, doctors, the gov't, teachers and even students. These persons should have the necessities to keep the club running smoothly and right. Dreaming and Creating. deb of jacksonville
I agree with you. Our concept very much follows something similar to your idea. Thanks!
Quote from: Coolyfett on August 26, 2008, 06:05:05 PM
Quote from: toneloc007 on August 26, 2008, 10:50:22 AM
Yeah, it'll be in the heart of downtown...can't divulge the area for no compete, but believe me the place we're looking at is PRIME.
Bay Street!! Bay Street!! Bay Street!! Bay Street!!!
Don't be a Turtle Complete the circle!!
The area we're looking at is literally 3 blocks from Marks area.
Quote from: stephElf on August 26, 2008, 12:06:28 PM
I'm sure someone will disagree with me .. but I'm just going to throw this out as food for thought.
I don't see how a place that is HIGH ROLLER and COSMOPOLITAN and a live local band mix - I just don't.
What you seem to be trying to achieve is more of a clean, lounge atmosphere with some square white leather couches where people come out with their $350 purses. And what we call that in NJ is a coke club. Because that is exactly what it is. Rich high rollers come there to schmooze, drink some ritzy cocktails and listen to whatever trendy music is hot at the time. Something more reminiscent of the techo/ drum n' bass days with little or no lyrics.
If you are truly looking to create a swanky "it" place to be for a mature, economically stable crowd you probably are not going to be serving food unless it's sushi or some other dainty, non-messy beautiful food.
Most 21 year-old females don't have the cash for the $12 martinis they serve at Bistro AIX and B.B.'s unless daddy is paying their bill or they are out with some 30 year old sugar daddy.
Live Local Music
High Roller
Late Night Food
That is just too much going on. Pick one approach and stick to it. A place that tries to be all things to all people just doesn't work in my opinion. Not enough focus.
I'm not opposed to a place that is VIP but just make sure everything you do says that.
A fine dining establishment doesn't put a sign out front that says "fine dining".
Again, not an attack - just food for thought from someone with a marketing & branding background.
Most places like that require if you are sitting, you order a bottle of something and it might be a $150 minimum for example. Not sure something like that would fly in Jax, esp. downtown. Maybe at the beach.
Seems like another Dive / Mark's / Pearl would be more viable.
The direction we are going with is not so much to attract the high rollers, even though you have to attract money, but to give people that of a feel of a very nice atmosphere...not your typical cheesy bar/club like most are here. The clubs here are catered too much to the "young" people and when I say young, I mean those that just got of high school, have no jobs, or your young college crowd. We are targetting your business professionals that want a place to be entertained that don't have to worry about stupid drama or can honestly enjoy a good drink and music while not being confined to the craziness of a nightclub if not so desired. Remember there is another crowd out there other than the young people here in Jax that would love to go out and enjoy themselves. Thank you for your insight.
Quote from: JaxNole on August 25, 2008, 10:56:30 PM
Whatever you choose, would it be possible to offer drunk munchies? Even the hot dog vendor in front of The Pearl would be great.
We are definitely going to be offering something in that area. There will be a coffee shop also that will be open the same time offering all that a coffee shop has to offer. To what extent...we are still working that out.
Quote from: brooklynborn on August 25, 2008, 10:17:24 PM
I would like to see a upscale jazz spot. I think that would be nice for the 25 and up crowd with live jazz bands from all over the country to local jazz bands. Downtown of course. as long as u stay open past 2 o,clock
We are going to be implementing a lounge that is going to be separate from the nightclub. It itself will be offering very nice atmosphere with music, live bands, and we are targeting mostly live jazz bands. One of the things that we feel is going to make our place successful is being able to serve liquor 'til 3 a.m...and yes it can be done..already approved.
Quote from: simms3 on August 26, 2008, 11:32:54 AM
Just went to a bar/club called Halo in Midtown Atlanta last night across from my apartment. It is in an almost solid brick building with a plain metal door in the side of the building. It looks almost like nothing but on the inside it is multistoried, there are image screens, cool modern decor, a marble bar that lights up, and the bar looks like something the doctors from Nip Tuck would be regulars at. It is very cosmopolitan, of course this is Atlanta, so things did not pick up on a Monday night till about midnight! Jacksonville could not pull something off that late, or probably that cosmopolitan yet, but it is worth a try. We were the youngest ones in there, but there were not too many people over 30-35. It was also about half gay half straight, more of a mix than the Pearl which seems sometimes more gay imho, but Jax is of course a little less accepting I think. Also I agree on your ages, in Jacksonville it seems all the clubs are for kids, they are all 18+ so of course that brings in the 15 y.o.'s, and nobody around here seems to enforce a dress code of some sort, I appreciate J Crew or Express or whatever over South Pole and Ecko with baggy jeans and sneakers. Oh, but drinks don't have to be expensive ;D we aren't a rich city yet lol.
Why can't Jacksonville pull something off like that? That's similar to what we are going to do. I think Jacksonville IS ready for something like that, been ready.
Quote from: David on August 25, 2008, 03:39:18 PM
Yeah, we really do need more venues in or near downtown. As for the style, hmmm. Do we have any sleek modern clubs in the area? Something very cosmopolitan like you would find in the nation's largest cities. I don't think anything on Bay st or anywhere near downtown would fit that description. I haven't seen ultra bar yet so I don't know if that would count, but I’d imagine something with a minimalistic approach and CLEAN. Maybe a venue that could host spoken word events or open mic like fuel used to do during it's downtime, and then ramp up to host the more typical/mainstream club atmosphere. Hey, maybe it could even book some concerts as the music venues we have in Jax are pretty sparse. If cafe 11 in St Augustine can pull in some good acts like they've been doing, I’m sure it could be done here.
No there isn't really anything like you're describing downtown, the closest thing to that is Tera Novas and thats on Phillips. We are going to be tapping into the local music scene, there is an abundance of talent here.
Quote from: blizz01 on August 26, 2008, 11:19:45 AM
Check out One Ocean at the beach - they seem to be hitting on all cylinders......best of luck.
Yeah, one of my friends is head of engineering there...that place is very nice.
Quote from: midnightblackrx on August 26, 2008, 12:25:37 PM
I was thinking that Mark's is Higher Class. I must not be the demographic to have an opinion on this topic.
Good luck...
Marks is as close to style as we want but the problem with Marks....TOOOO SMALL. How can you attract a good crowd when you're fighting for space and have no wheres to recline if desired and one main bar doesn't cut it.
Who is the "we" and "our". What club or new venue are you talking out. Very vague here with your responses.
Quote from: The Compound on September 17, 2008, 03:50:56 PM
Who is the "we" and "our". What club or new venue are you talking out. Very vague here with your responses.
Me and my partners.
Quote from: toneloc007 on September 17, 2008, 03:55:08 PM
Quote from: The Compound on September 17, 2008, 03:50:56 PM
Who is the "we" and "our". What club or new venue are you talking out. Very vague here with your responses.
Me and my partners.
I assumed that, what are you trying to open? A bar? a coffeehouse? a dance club?
Quote from: The Compound on September 17, 2008, 04:06:21 PM
Quote from: toneloc007 on September 17, 2008, 03:55:08 PM
Quote from: The Compound on September 17, 2008, 03:50:56 PM
Who is the "we" and "our". What club or new venue are you talking out. Very vague here with your responses.
Me and my partners.
I assumed that, what are you trying to open? A bar? a coffeehouse? a dance club?
Yeah, something that will cater to all three with a new twist. We're still working out the details, hence the petitioning for input from outside. Any input would be great.
are you really tone loc? if so, surf ninjas is my favorite movie ever.
Quote from: Matt on September 17, 2008, 04:16:28 PM
are you really tone loc? if so, surf ninjas is my favorite movie ever.
LOL...no, I'm not the real tone loc. But that was a good movie..lol
If you are looking at something around Marks, hopefully you are looking at one of the buildings that has a downstairs and upstairs. I am not sure how you would keep the sound out, but you could have your VIP section upstairs, and your coffee bar/ general public area downstairs. If you can afford it, invest heavily into lighting. Club Paris used to have a great light show, and I know of no where else in town that replaces that void. I have seen too many places with hodge podge lighting thrown up on trussing that looks like it could fall at any minute. Maybe some ambient LED lighting around the bar areas that change color throughout the night. Also, have a kick butt sign out Front. The only thing about Marks is that their sign is not eye catching enough. And please have one techno night a week..lol No top 40 allowed on techno night.
Quote from: Dapperdan on September 17, 2008, 06:24:55 PM
If you are looking at something around Marks, hopefully you are looking at one of the buildings that has a downstairs and upstairs. I am not sure how you would keep the sound out, but you could have your VIP section upstairs, and your coffee bar/ general public area downstairs. If you can afford it, invest heavily into lighting. Club Paris used to have a great light show, and I know of no where else in town that replaces that void. I have seen too many places with hodge podge lighting thrown up on trussing that looks like it could fall at any minute. Maybe some ambient LED lighting around the bar areas that change color throughout the night. Also, have a kick butt sign out Front. The only thing about Marks is that their sign is not eye catching enough. And please have one techno night a week..lol No top 40 allowed on techno night.
You must be reading our minds, buddy. Just to give you an idea, the building we're looking at is 20,000 sq.ft. 2 story. How about that?
I know of a few building that you are probably looking at. I am not sure which one it is, but I have some ideas. Also, you should have a guest DJ night for DJs like me who have only had their feet wet in weddings and school dances can have the opportunity to DJ a club for a 30 minute set or something silly like that. There is also the distinct possibility that the guest could suck, so maybe that would be a bad idea..lol
Quote from: Dapperdan on September 17, 2008, 06:36:44 PM
I know of a few building that you are probably looking at. I am not sure which one it is, but I have some ideas. Also, you should have a guest DJ night for DJs like me who have only had their feet wet in weddings and school dances can have the opportunity to DJ a club for a 30 minute set or something silly like that. There is also the distinct possibility that the guest could suck, so maybe that would be a bad idea..lol
When we get to that part, we're thinking that would be great. One of my partners is a DJ himself from England and knows quite a few from this area that would love to get some exposure. We want to do auditions and get people in to see you guys. Awesome!!
So i take it beatmixing from The Cupid Shuffle to Billy Jean is only cool for weddings? lol
Hmmm certain heads are lurking and not weighing in... ToneLoc007 I don't think the forum believes you, Or they think you are blowing smoke. Hopefully you are not, but I am noticing some with a high post count not speaking. very very interesting. Interesting indeed.
Quote from: Coolyfett on September 17, 2008, 07:56:23 PM
Hmmm certain heads are lurking and not weighing in... ToneLoc007 I don't think the forum believes you, Or they think you are blowing smoke. Hopefully you are not, but I am noticing some with a high post count not speaking. very very interesting. Interesting indeed.
I'm very sure people aren't believing it because its nothing thats been done here. We are in the process of pitching our idea to several investors. We have major interests so far. We are very serious, it'll take time thats for sure, but we are going to do it.
IMO we need some sleeker clubs. When I go an visit family up north and go to clubs there it depresses me. I'd like to see a more defined dance area and some area's that are more for sitting. I would also be nice to have some area's that are a little more private that aren't VIP. I know when I when to this place in Philly a while back they had like little cabana like area's. It was nice because you could still see and be seen but have a little bit of privacy to sit and talk to people.
I also think a little more in direction of lighting would look nice too. That's one of the first thing I notice with clubs here. It's so dark. No up lighting, no ambient lighting, nothing.
Quote from: toneloc007 on September 17, 2008, 06:29:46 PM
Quote from: Dapperdan on September 17, 2008, 06:24:55 PM
If you are looking at something around Marks, hopefully you are looking at one of the buildings that has a downstairs and upstairs. I am not sure how you would keep the sound out, but you could have your VIP section upstairs, and your coffee bar/ general public area downstairs. If you can afford it, invest heavily into lighting. Club Paris used to have a great light show, and I know of no where else in town that replaces that void. I have seen too many places with hodge podge lighting thrown up on trussing that looks like it could fall at any minute. Maybe some ambient LED lighting around the bar areas that change color throughout the night. Also, have a kick butt sign out Front. The only thing about Marks is that their sign is not eye catching enough. And please have one techno night a week..lol No top 40 allowed on techno night.
You must be reading our minds, buddy. Just to give you an idea, the building we're looking at is 20,000 sq.ft. 2 story. How about that?
can I guess..is it the Bostwick building?
Quote from: toneloc007 on September 17, 2008, 02:55:53 PM
Quote from: brooklynborn on August 25, 2008, 10:17:24 PM
I would like to see a upscale jazz spot. I think that would be nice for the 25 and up crowd with live jazz bands from all over the country to local jazz bands. Downtown of course. as long as u stay open past 2 o,clock
We are going to be implementing a lounge that is going to be separate from the nightclub. It itself will be offering very nice atmosphere with music, live bands, and we are targeting mostly live jazz bands. One of the things that we feel is going to make our place successful is being able to serve liquor 'til 3 a.m...and yes it can be done..already approved.
Sorry, but Im calling shenanigans on already being approved to serve liquort til 3am and you dont even have a building yet.
What's the loophole for serving afterhours? Aren't private clubs that require you to have a membership able to pull this off?
Quote from: David on September 19, 2008, 02:20:48 PM
What's the loophole for serving afterhours? Aren't private clubs that require to have a membership able to pull this off?
There is a $10,000 fee for being able to serve 'til 3a.m. I know the person that handles the area of liquor licenses and was informed that we can serve til 3 a.m. for that fee. Maybe if people did some more research they'd find out more than just assuming things.
No assumption here, just thirsty for the knowlege.
I've been to a few places that serve all night in Brooklyn, NY that make you sign up as a member before entering the club. They also make you swear you're in no way affiliated with the NYPD sooo, i'm thinking there might have been more than drinking going on there.
Interesting about the fee for serving until 3am though, I didn't know anything about that.
Quote from: toneloc007 on September 19, 2008, 04:12:40 PM
Quote from: David on September 19, 2008, 02:20:48 PM
What's the loophole for serving afterhours? Aren't private clubs that require to have a membership able to pull this off?
There is a $10,000 fee for being able to serve 'til 3a.m. I know the person that handles the area of liquor licenses and was informed that we can serve til 3 a.m. for that fee. Maybe if people did some more research they'd find out more than just assuming things.
Im still calling shenanigans.. Liquor licenses in Duval County cost around the $200,000 range, if it was only $10,000 more to serve for an hour more, why wouldnt most bars in Jacksonville do it? Show me where this is stated. So far you're just blowing smoke. Can anyone tell me a bar in Jax that serves liquor til 3am? hmmm.
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Brand new and ready to wow the world after a coat of paint.
Of course the old hippie - transit monster is going to have a twisted view. WELL? Imagine down in Green Cove Springs where the classic coastal cruisers Cape May and Cape ?? are laid up in storage. These are the classic overnight steamships of the early 1900's. The difference is, these two were built BRAND NEW in 2001 and 2002. They were to be part of the company that runs the Delta Queen and Mississippi Queen, but the red ink got too deep too quick and they were cut off, I understand they were never even used! Would they clear the Shands bridge in Green Cove Springs? If so here is my idea of "night life in JAX"...
Tourists and locals arrive at the downtown Union Terminal in small clusters and groups. About 5:00 pm they start making their way to the chartered streetcars waiting at the depot. Destination curtins read "JACKSONVILLE LANDING - UNION TERMINAL" In front of the landing the grand "old" rivership Cape May is busy being stocked with last minute catering trucks and suppliers. Flags flap in the breeze as American Coach pulls in with 1/2 of the Silver Meteor passenger count from Amtrak group sales. Music plays, drinks flow and by sunset the big ship is slowly slipping up stream toward Sanford. Sanford is still several hundred miles of beautiful riverfront, and a half dozen stops. It would be late tomorrow afternoon when the ship docks at the City Marina. In Sanford, more people boarded dedicated cruise buses for the resorts of central Florida. But all agreed that the last 25 hours was incredible. A quick turn around and the boat is ready for cleaning and another load of rail passengers.
The numbers on these two busy ships have rocketed Jacksonville's total cruise numbers to just behind Miami and Port Everglades. The thing to do? The Place to be? The date of a lifetime? Just follow the crowds...
OCKLAWAHA
The other ship is The Cape Cod Light - I believe that they were both built in JAX by Atlantic Marine. This could really start a whole new thread.....
QuoteUpdate:
In 2007 the American Coastal Voyages (ACV) website stated that "ACV will continue to, develop its planned US and international itineraries, land operations as well as set pricing and marketing strategies. The ships, one launching in spring 2008 and the other early 2009 will undergo a process of reconditioning and refurbishment to meet the high standards we know our cruise guests will expect."
Without hijacking this thread, think of how the ship or ships could be the DISNEY that Jax doesn't have and Orlando can't have! A highly focused and fun journey into our back yard a few times per week, with rail and bus connecitons and packages available. Hell, have a direct AIR-SHIP-JTA motor coach picking up whole flights of charter passengers at JIA. Get all these folks downtown. Think about 3 times a week cruises, that means 7 days a week, people would start gathering for the next sailing. The waterfront, the clubs, bars, restaurants the whole of downtown would undergo a change. What I'm saying in keeping with the spirit of this thread is that with major cruises leaving from the downtown waterfront several times in or out per week, We'd have a hard time keeping downtown low key. Downtown would take off like moodys goose. Just add streetcars and jump back and WOW...
OCKLAWAHA
Quote from: Ocklawaha on September 19, 2008, 11:00:47 PM
Without hijacking this thread, think of how the ship or ships could be the DISNEY that Jax doesn't have and Orlando can't have! A highly focused and fun journey into our back yard a few times per week, with rail and bus connecitons and packages available. Hell, have a direct AIR-SHIP-JTA motor coach picking up whole flights of charter passengers at JIA. Get all these folks downtown. Think about 3 times a week cruises, that means 7 days a week, people would start gathering for the next sailing. The waterfront, the clubs, bars, restaurants the whole of downtown would undergo a change. What I'm saying in keeping with the spirit of this thread is that with major cruises leaving from the downtown waterfront several times in or out per week, We'd have a hard time keeping downtown low key. Downtown would take off like moodys goose. Just add streetcars and jump back and WOW...
OCKLAWAHA
You're a creative visionary, Ock. I don't know if everything that you say will work, but I sure enjoy reading it. ;D
Quote from: The Compound on September 19, 2008, 06:09:17 PM
Quote from: toneloc007 on September 19, 2008, 04:12:40 PM
Quote from: David on September 19, 2008, 02:20:48 PM
What's the loophole for serving afterhours? Aren't private clubs that require to have a membership able to pull this off?
There is a $10,000 fee for being able to serve 'til 3a.m. I know the person that handles the area of liquor licenses and was informed that we can serve til 3 a.m. for that fee. Maybe if people did some more research they'd find out more than just assuming things.
Im still calling shenanigans.. Liquor licenses in Duval County cost around the $200,000 range, if it was only $10,000 more to serve for an hour more, why wouldnt most bars in Jacksonville do it? Show me where this is stated. So far you're just blowing smoke. Can anyone tell me a bar in Jax that serves liquor til 3am? hmmm.
We're meeting today with the City Planner and I'll be asking about this. I asked my partner that got his information and he doesn't seem to be to sure about this....now...lol. So I'll give you an update if I get an answer on this today.
Quote from: tufsu1 on September 19, 2008, 01:19:34 PM
Quote from: toneloc007 on September 17, 2008, 06:29:46 PM
Quote from: Dapperdan on September 17, 2008, 06:24:55 PM
If you are looking at something around Marks, hopefully you are looking at one of the buildings that has a downstairs and upstairs. I am not sure how you would keep the sound out, but you could have your VIP section upstairs, and your coffee bar/ general public area downstairs. If you can afford it, invest heavily into lighting. Club Paris used to have a great light show, and I know of no where else in town that replaces that void. I have seen too many places with hodge podge lighting thrown up on trussing that looks like it could fall at any minute. Maybe some ambient LED lighting around the bar areas that change color throughout the night. Also, have a kick butt sign out Front. The only thing about Marks is that their sign is not eye catching enough. And please have one techno night a week..lol No top 40 allowed on techno night.
You must be reading our minds, buddy. Just to give you an idea, the building we're looking at is 20,000 sq.ft. 2 story. How about that?
can I guess..is it the Bostwick building?
No, its not the Bostwick Bldg...lol
Quote from: toneloc007 on September 22, 2008, 09:10:02 AM
Quote from: The Compound on September 19, 2008, 06:09:17 PM
Quote from: toneloc007 on September 19, 2008, 04:12:40 PM
Quote from: David on September 19, 2008, 02:20:48 PM
What's the loophole for serving afterhours? Aren't private clubs that require to have a membership able to pull this off?
There is a $10,000 fee for being able to serve 'til 3a.m. I know the person that handles the area of liquor licenses and was informed that we can serve til 3 a.m. for that fee. Maybe if people did some more research they'd find out more than just assuming things.
Im still calling shenanigans.. Liquor licenses in Duval County cost around the $200,000 range, if it was only $10,000 more to serve for an hour more, why wouldnt most bars in Jacksonville do it? Show me where this is stated. So far you're just blowing smoke. Can anyone tell me a bar in Jax that serves liquor til 3am? hmmm.
We're meeting today with the City Planner and I'll be asking about this. I asked my partner that got his information and he doesn't seem to be to sure about this....now...lol. So I'll give you an update if I get an answer on this today.
Actually I knew of a few in my younger more irresponsible days that locked the doors at 2 am and became private clubs (cough, cough). But you couldn't leave until 5am.
Quote from: civil42806 on September 22, 2008, 09:58:34 AM
Quote from: toneloc007 on September 22, 2008, 09:10:02 AM
Quote from: The Compound on September 19, 2008, 06:09:17 PM
Quote from: toneloc007 on September 19, 2008, 04:12:40 PM
Quote from: David on September 19, 2008, 02:20:48 PM
What's the loophole for serving afterhours? Aren't private clubs that require to have a membership able to pull this off?
There is a $10,000 fee for being able to serve 'til 3a.m. I know the person that handles the area of liquor licenses and was informed that we can serve til 3 a.m. for that fee. Maybe if people did some more research they'd find out more than just assuming things.
Im still calling shenanigans.. Liquor licenses in Duval County cost around the $200,000 range, if it was only $10,000 more to serve for an hour more, why wouldnt most bars in Jacksonville do it? Show me where this is stated. So far you're just blowing smoke. Can anyone tell me a bar in Jax that serves liquor til 3am? hmmm.
We're meeting today with the City Planner and I'll be asking about this. I asked my partner that got his information and he doesn't seem to be to sure about this....now...lol. So I'll give you an update if I get an answer on this today.
Actually I knew of a few in my younger more irresponsible days that locked the doors at 2 am and became private clubs (cough, cough). But you couldn't leave until 5am.
True, but they didnt serve liquor.
Is this the location?
QuoteAppollo Hospitality, LLC received a Waiver of Minimum Distance Requirements for a Liquor License Location at 119 E. Forsyth St. The as yet unnamed lounge is located across the street from the Florida Theatre and is 270 feet from First Presbyterian Church at 118 E. Monroe St. City Code requires a minimum distance of 1,500 feet from a church for the service of alcoholic beverage, but several other waivers have been previously granted in the Riverfront District, including the Ivy Ultra bar location on East Bay Street.
Half of the bottom floor of the 10,000 square-foot building will be converted into what developer George Albertelli called a venue that will be “more intimate than those that currently exist.â€
He also said he and his son, Jason, who will manage the lounge, believe the interior with its exposed brick offers a lot of possibilities. No exterior changes will be made other than the installation of an awning and possibly outdoor seating.
http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=50893
Quote from: thelakelander on September 26, 2008, 11:43:40 AM
Is this the location?
QuoteAppollo Hospitality, LLC received a Waiver of Minimum Distance Requirements for a Liquor License Location at 119 E. Forsyth St. The as yet unnamed lounge is located across the street from the Florida Theatre and is 270 feet from First Presbyterian Church at 118 E. Monroe St. City Code requires a minimum distance of 1,500 feet from a church for the service of alcoholic beverage, but several other waivers have been previously granted in the Riverfront District, including the Ivy Ultra bar location on East Bay Street.
Half of the bottom floor of the 10,000 square-foot building will be converted into what developer George Albertelli called a venue that will be “more intimate than those that currently exist.â€
He also said he and his son, Jason, who will manage the lounge, believe the interior with its exposed brick offers a lot of possibilities. No exterior changes will be made other than the installation of an awning and possibly outdoor seating.
http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=50893
No, can't say thats us.
Is this it?
<img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/50/166429394_227e814be1.jpg?v=0" width=496 height=500 title="" >
Quote from: thelakelander on September 26, 2008, 11:43:40 AM
Is this the location?
QuoteAppollo Hospitality, LLC received a Waiver of Minimum Distance Requirements for a Liquor License Location at 119 E. Forsyth St. The as yet unnamed lounge is located across the street from the Florida Theatre and is 270 feet from First Presbyterian Church at 118 E. Monroe St. City Code requires a minimum distance of 1,500 feet from a church for the service of alcoholic beverage, but several other waivers have been previously granted in the Riverfront District, including the Ivy Ultra bar location on East Bay Street.
Half of the bottom floor of the 10,000 square-foot building will be converted into what developer George Albertelli called a venue that will be “more intimate than those that currently exist.â€
He also said he and his son, Jason, who will manage the lounge, believe the interior with its exposed brick offers a lot of possibilities. No exterior changes will be made other than the installation of an awning and possibly outdoor seating.
http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=50893
Very cool! Wahoo! maybe we will get a walkable entertainment district afterall...
How about this one....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/eldeadcow/9589230_240X180.jpg)
is that it?
Quote from: BridgeTroll on September 26, 2008, 12:48:35 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on September 26, 2008, 11:43:40 AM
Is this the location?
QuoteAppollo Hospitality, LLC received a Waiver of Minimum Distance Requirements for a Liquor License Location at 119 E. Forsyth St. The as yet unnamed lounge is located across the street from the Florida Theatre and is 270 feet from First Presbyterian Church at 118 E. Monroe St. City Code requires a minimum distance of 1,500 feet from a church for the service of alcoholic beverage, but several other waivers have been previously granted in the Riverfront District, including the Ivy Ultra bar location on East Bay Street.
Half of the bottom floor of the 10,000 square-foot building will be converted into what developer George Albertelli called a venue that will be “more intimate than those that currently exist.â€
He also said he and his son, Jason, who will manage the lounge, believe the interior with its exposed brick offers a lot of possibilities. No exterior changes will be made other than the installation of an awning and possibly outdoor seating.
http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=50893
Very cool! Wahoo! maybe we will get a walkable entertainment district afterall...
It's getting there. All we need are some late night places to eat (thanks for the false hope nikki g's!) and maybe another alternative to the marks/dive crowd to cater to those with different taste
Quote from: thelakelander on September 26, 2008, 11:43:40 AM
Is this the location?
QuoteRiverfront District
Aww Finally!! The actually name of the district spoken into light!!!!
And GOD said...let there be a "Riverfront District".....and it came to pass.
Quote from: BridgeTroll on September 26, 2008, 12:48:35 PM
Very cool! Wahoo! maybe we will get a walkable entertainment district afterall...
Hear hear! And as this is 'coming to pass,' let us not forget appropriate downtown signage to direct people to said destination. As we pray to Our Lady of the Blessed Wayfaring Signage...
:D