I don't have an opinion about these movies, but they have had a tremendous amount of influence. There is a poll out that says that more than 60% of new yorkers think 911 could have been an inside job.
What opinions are there on this site?
Please list whether or not you have actually seen the videos when you post.
One of the best known documentaries about the conspiracy theory is Loose Change. Here it is.
http://www.youtube.com/v/7E3oIbO0AWE
Here is Alex Jones (www.prisonplanet.com) documentary about the aftermath of 911, especially as it concerns the first responders.
http://www.youtube.com/v/t-yscpNIxjI
Well I did watch/listen to the videos.....the questions asked and the evidence provided a compelling argument, I'm having trouble accepting that the government would do something such as the attacks upon it's own people. Anyone can manipulate such horrific events into what would appear to have been an inside job.
So if one were to accept this as the truth, then they'd have to accept that the government intentionally killed thousands of people, not just those killed by the attacks within the buildings, but the hundreds of firefighters, police and others trying to help...not to mention the people that were on those flights. What did they do with those people from the planes? Take them somewhere, kill them and dispose of their bodies?
This is (IMO) what happens after a catastrophic event...the hype, the rumors, the innuendos; although I have to admit, that it is suspicious in nature as to how both towers did come down as they did (and of course, building 7.) I do have to say that the government has not taken care of those responders, workers, all of those who were there helping others. That, reminds me of how lousy we've treated our veterans in the military.
If nothing else...it does leave you with a sense of wondering.....but I don't buy into it
Cmon Stephen... no opinion?? Of course you do. I have not watched these... yet. But I have seen others. They are in the same category as the UFO cover up, NASA faking the moon landings, Kennedy conspiracy, etc, etc.
Absolute and complete rubbish... belongs in the now defunct Weekly World News...
(http://www.writenews.com/pics/batboy.gif)
I don't consider Alex Jones work to be very objective at all, and his "government is evil and out to get us" rhetoric stikes me as nauseating paranoia.
Quote from: stephendare on August 03, 2008, 01:06:13 PM
lol BridgeTrolll. Or Ronald Reagan developing a "Space Shield" which would protect us all from incoming missiles while simultaneously funding Osama Bin Laden to deliver the coup de grace of the Cold War by bogging the soviet army down in Afghanistan?
Reagan was just ahead of his time... those programs continue today and are nearing reality. Funding Bin Laden was a calculated risk that worked... short term. Mujahadeen funding did get the Soviets out of Afghanistan. Of course Bin laden turned on his benefactors...
Quote from: stephendare on August 03, 2008, 02:44:29 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on August 03, 2008, 02:36:00 PM
Quote from: stephendare on August 03, 2008, 01:06:13 PM
lol BridgeTrolll. Or Ronald Reagan developing a "Space Shield" which would protect us all from incoming missiles while simultaneously funding Osama Bin Laden to deliver the coup de grace of the Cold War by bogging the soviet army down in Afghanistan?
Reagan was just ahead of his time... those programs continue today and are nearing reality. Funding Bin Laden was a calculated risk that worked... short term. Mujahadeen funding did get the Soviets out of Afghanistan. Of course Bin laden turned on his benefactors...
proud to have been a Reagan Youth. I actually debated for Reagan in our High School Debates.
At the time the hated enemy was of course Carter.
I got a great line in the debate (and nearly suspended) by saying that Carter had nothing better to do than hang around in Georgia playing with his peanuts.
:D :D
Didn't you graduate in 1986? (DA became an art school in 1985) Wouldn't Mondale have been the "hated enemy" when you were in highschool??
Nice work as always. A simple question responded to in a tirade.
No, I have no opinions about made up conspiracy's. I am too busy living in the real world (pulling cable). Yes, I have seen a lot of the "evidence", and no, I dont believe for a second you dont have a opinion.
I didnt belittle anything, and I wasn't confusing anything. If you had graduated in 1986, you would have been in HS in 1984 which was when Mondale ran against Reagan. Just clarifying. I now understand. You had debates in 6th grade, which in Jacksonville was apparently called Highschool.
Cool. Got it, back to 9/11.
QuoteI'm a member of the skeptics society and have been reading as much debunking material as possible, but so far the most significant of the bunkers arguments seems to have been summed up by Penn and Teller's relatively unintelligent video: "It didn't happen that way, and these guys are all assholes"
Seen quite a few of these videos myself...
Oh Stephen, you simply must join Riverside Gator and I at the next Sons of Confederate Veterans dinner, we'll provide you with a complete makeover of Abe Lincoln, real documents, something that will forever eat away the cause, but no the symptom.
As for the Trade Center, Of COURSE WE DID IT! We first exterminated the Native People, then enslaved the blacks, then tried to deport all to Africa (another great Lincoln idea), then imported China Dolls for sex slaves, wiped out the China men after they built the railroad, (why pay when you can shoot them?), Started a war with Germany when the German Government told us the passenger ship would be sunk... Then punished the Germans into another war, but not before Roosevelt and Yamamoto played a round of golf and planned Pearl Harbor. Then we imported Aids from Monkeys to wipe out gays, and crack to finish off the blacks, Gee did I forget anyone? Oh that damn grassy knoll, and those Cubans, and Contras, I'm sure 911 was funded by the Colombian Government to exterminate the Arab threat to Bogota... Secret Jewish State agents really flew the planes, everyone knows a good Jews last words are always Allah!
How does the song go? "Science Fiction, we'll build a creature..." OCKLAWAHA
SIC SEMPER TYRANIS
DEO VINDICE Y'ALL
Ock, you're a hoot!
Quote from: BridgeTroll on August 03, 2008, 02:52:08 PM
Quote from: stephendare on August 03, 2008, 02:44:29 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on August 03, 2008, 02:36:00 PM
Quote from: stephendare on August 03, 2008, 01:06:13 PM
lol BridgeTrolll. Or Ronald Reagan developing a "Space Shield" which would protect us all from incoming missiles while simultaneously funding Osama Bin Laden to deliver the coup de grace of the Cold War by bogging the soviet army down in Afghanistan?
Reagan was just ahead of his time... those programs continue today and are nearing reality. Funding Bin Laden was a calculated risk that worked... short term. Mujahadeen funding did get the Soviets out of Afghanistan. Of course Bin laden turned on his benefactors...
proud to have been a Reagan Youth. I actually debated for Reagan in our High School Debates.
At the time the hated enemy was of course Carter.
I got a great line in the debate (and nearly suspended) by saying that Carter had nothing better to do than hang around in Georgia playing with his peanuts.
:D :D
Stephen... Your revelation regarding your support of Reagan has piqued my curiosity about your political transformation. Mine was exactly the opposite. I am a bit embarrassed to admit that I supported Carters reelection. I attribute that support to my youth and inexperience and believing the scare mongers who had most liberals as my young self believing Reagan would kill us all... I used to refer to him back then as "Ronnie Ray-Gun"
It was not long before Mr. Reagan had me converted... and have been ever since. (Tho not an ardent supporter of the current group) My experience is that while young many people align themselves to the left of center and move right as they grow older. (I understand this is a generality)
I am just curious as to how young Stephen found himself debating for Reagan rather than against... :)
Quote from: stephendare on August 04, 2008, 10:57:18 AM
I come from a super conservative family, BT, and growing up we didnt even listen to any 'secular' music in the house.
But I would have been for Reagan regardless. After the Iranian Hostage crisis unfolding for a year and having grown up with constant reminders that we were all going to be nuked out of existence, Ronnie at least seemed to have a coherent strategy to deal with the Armageddon threat.
I don't know if you remember how oppressive the whole 'there are men with fingers on The Button and at any minute the whole world is OVER' meme was, but I know that it hung over all of my friends consciousness.
Carter and the Democrats just seemed so impotent.
In our child's world, Reagan taking a stand and forcing them to put up or shut up, spoke across the dread. In his own way he was an optimist because he never believed that the russians would blow up the world, and I still think that that is why he connected so solidly to my generation.
Don't know if that makes sense today, but it seemed clear as day then.
Oh I remember every bit of it. What you described is exactly what brought me around also. In fact I was in the middle of it... and practiced for the war that never happened every day. You see I have spent literally thousands of hours training, looking for, hunting for, finding, tracking, and if need be attacking the Soviet missle subs that used to prowl off our coasts. I know the cost of complacency... I would hope we never become so seemingly impotent again...