In the past week, I have had two friends of mine that have had pro-Democrat bumper stickers ripped off of their cars. One had hers ripped off while she was at work downtown. She parked in a parking garage and when she came out to her car, her "Obama '08" bumper sticker was ripped off. Another friend of mine had his ripped off while he was shopping at a Targetl. His bumper sticker said "Vote Democrat". Do you think this happens often in Jacksonville as it has happened to two friends of mine in the past week or do you think it is just a coincidence?
My Kerry 04 yard signs were torn down twice in the last election, so I'm not surprised. It's petty and pointless.
There was a story in Orlando not too long about cars with Obama stickers being spray pained with all kinds of hateful rhetoric.
Its a two way street. I know of several people who had Bush 04 stickers who had the same thing happen.
I'm certain that there is at least one person on this forum that could make a compelling argument in favor of and justifying the surreptitious removal of publicly displayed Democratic campaign material.
Takers?
Quote from: Midway on July 27, 2008, 11:50:31 AM
I'm certain that there is at least one person on this forum that could make a compelling argument in favor of and justifying the surreptitious removal of publicly displayed Democratic campaign material.
Takers?
Why stop with the dems, why not go for all campaign material?
Because Midway is every bit as partisan as his nemesis, he just doesn't realize it.
When I lived at the corner of Remington St. and Challen Avenue the Repubs would take my Dem signs off my lawn. I always wanted to get them from it...Larry just said because of that he did it to Rep. signs. I guess it all works out in the end like the bible says.
Quote from: will on July 27, 2008, 10:22:12 AM
My Kerry 04 yard signs were torn down twice in the last election, so I'm not surprised. It's petty and pointless.
do you live near the intersection of san jose and university? just north of there? if so, i think i may have picked up your signs. ;)
Ron Paul signs were pulled down all over the city.
Quote from: downtownparks on July 27, 2008, 12:15:50 PM
Because Midway is every bit as partisan as his nemesis, he just doesn't realize it.
I'm not talking about partisanship here.
If you would think about it for a moment, you would realize that a campaign sticker or sign is usually the ultimate expression of partisanship. That's why the candidates of a particular political party reflect party sentiment.
What I am talking about here is the right to display them unmolested, a right which I believe in, a right which is recognized by law.
You do a significantly less artful job than others in attempting to miscast my remarks. Leave this to the professionals, do not try this at home. (professional neocon on closed track)
By calling out another poster for a crime he hasn't acknowledged committing, endorsed, or even defended, you are acting as though only republicans or "neo-cons" have a corner on being a jerk by taking other peoples political statements down. As I stated before, This is an act that is not mutually exclusive to "neo-cons"
THAT is what I am talking about. I don't aim to miscast your remarks, I am simply commenting on your blind antipathy for everyone who doesn't think exactly like you. The fact that they must be simple or liars simply because they arent cast in the same mold as you.
The irony being that it is people who think "like you" who always claim the high road in regards to free thought and inclusion, yet you refuse to accept the fact that people who aren't politically on par with you, are still many times pretty good people.
Why not stick to the threads where RSG speaks on his own behalf to call him out, rather than invoking him into every partisan screed?
Quote from: downtownparks on July 27, 2008, 02:49:59 PM
By calling out another poster for a crime he hasn't acknowledged committing, endorsed, or even defended, you are acting as though only republicans or "neo-cons" have a corner on being a jerk by taking other peoples political statements down. As I stated before, This is an act that is not mutually exclusive to "neo-cons"
THAT is what I am talking about. I don't aim to miscast your remarks, I am simply commenting on your blind antipathy for everyone who doesn't think exactly like you. The fact that they must be simple or liars simply because they arent cast in the same mold as you.
The irony being that it is people who think "like you" who always claim the high road in regards to free thought and inclusion, yet you refuse to accept the fact that people who aren't politically on par with you, are still many times pretty good people.
Why not stick to the threads where RSG speaks on his own behalf to call him out, rather than invoking him into every partisan screed?
careful trying to use logic and reasoning..this will only frustrate you in their lack of understanding.
Quote from: downtownparks on July 27, 2008, 02:49:59 PM
By calling out another poster for a crime he hasn't acknowledged committing, endorsed, or even defended, you are acting as though only republicans or "neo-cons" have a corner on being a jerk by taking other peoples political statements down. As I stated before, This is an act that is not mutually exclusive to "neo-cons"
THAT is what I am talking about. I don't aim to miscast your remarks, I am simply commenting on your blind antipathy for everyone who doesn't think exactly like you. The fact that they must be simple or liars simply because they arent cast in the same mold as you.
The irony being that it is people who think "like you" who always claim the high road in regards to free thought and inclusion, yet you refuse to accept the fact that people who aren't politically on par with you, are still many times pretty good people.
Why not stick to the threads where RSG speaks on his own behalf to call him out, rather than invoking him into every partisan screed?
He does this often...
Actually, the reason I put the "like you" in quotes was to be a bit ironical, if not wholly sarcastic. Im sorry if that was lost on you.
Quote from: downtownparks on July 27, 2008, 02:49:59 PM
By calling out another poster for a crime he hasn't acknowledged committing, endorsed, or even defended, you are acting as though only republicans or "neo-cons" have a corner on being a jerk by taking other peoples political statements down. As I stated before, This is an act that is not mutually exclusive to "neo-cons"
THAT is what I am talking about. I don't aim to miscast your remarks, I am simply commenting on your blind antipathy for everyone who doesn't think exactly like you. The fact that they must be simple or liars simply because they arent cast in the same mold as you.
The irony being that it is people who think "like you" who always claim the high road in regards to free thought and inclusion, yet you refuse to accept the fact that people who aren't politically on par with you, are still many times pretty good people.
Why not stick to the threads where RSG speaks on his own behalf to call him out, rather than invoking him into every partisan screed?
Looks like you are reading between the lines and seeing things that aren't there at all.
First, I did not call out anyone for anything. I just asked if any one cared to take the opposing view. There have been numerous occasions where a multitude of people have argued far more ludicrous positions than this.
Who is this RSG?
I didn't stake a claim to the "high road", I just stated that I believe in the right to campaign for your candidate without interference. That statement would only be "ironic" if I were on record as consistently defending illegal actions, which I don't. Therefore, that statement does not fit the definition of or qualify as irony.
Since you all love Wikipedia, here are some tips on how to recognize irony:
QuoteMost modern theories of rhetoric distinguish between three types of irony: verbal, dramatic and situational.
* Verbal irony is a disparity of expression and intention: when a speaker says one thing but means another, or when a literal meaning is contrary to its intended effect. An example of this is sarcasm.
* Dramatic (or tragic) irony is a disparity of expression and awareness: when words and actions possess a significance that the listener or audience understands, but the speaker or character does not.
* Situational irony is the disparity of intention and result: when the result of an action is contrary to the desired or expected effect. Likewise, cosmic irony is disparity between human desires and the harsh realities of the outside world (or the whims of the gods). By some older definitions, situational irony and cosmic irony are not irony at all.
As for "blind antipathy for anyone that does not think just like me" Perhaps you are projecting psychological attributes of others here.
Quote from: Midway on July 27, 2008, 06:01:24 PMAs for "blind antipathy for anyone that does not think just like me" Perhaps you are projecting psychological attributes of others here.
"i know you are, but what am i?"
Quote from: Driven1 on July 27, 2008, 06:32:13 PM
Quote from: Midway on July 27, 2008, 06:01:24 PMAs for "blind antipathy for anyone that does not think just like me" Perhaps you are projecting psychological attributes of others here.
"i know you are, but what am i?"
http://www.youtube.com/v/XOGWbzUM-y8&hl=en&fs=1
I had three of my " 'F' The President" (done is same font as "W" The President stcikers) stickers torn off my car over three years. One by a lady I worked with who said it drove her crazy looking at it, so I at least know I won that one.
While in my wife's car-- a VERY femal-type car, if you know what I mean-- during '04 election cycle, people would see our Kerry sticker on it, and if I was alone or with a male friend, I swear people thought I was gay and would drive very aggressively around me.
Quote from: KenFSU on July 27, 2008, 02:13:16 PM
Ron Paul signs were pulled down all over the city.
Yeah, because those were thoughtless dill holes who posted cheap, crappy signs (as in, printed on their computers at home) all over PUBLIC property. While I agree with many of things said by RP during the primaries, his supporters didn't do themselves any favors by recklessly and thoughtlessly putting signs ANYWHERE they could-- mostly places that are public property--, and still haven't taken a lot of them down.
Quote from: Midway on July 27, 2008, 06:01:24 PM
I just stated that I believe in the right to campaign for your candidate without interference.
Since you and I fundamentally agree on this issue, perhaps we should stop arguing. To that point, maybe Stephen can answer why its ok to deface someone else's political stickers, as he has acknowledged he is perfectly ok with it through his actions.
Quote from: downtownparks on July 27, 2008, 08:46:18 PM
Quote from: Midway on July 27, 2008, 06:01:24 PM
I just stated that I believe in the right to campaign for your candidate without interference.
Since you and I fundamentally agree on this issue, perhaps we should stop arguing. To that point, maybe Stephen can answer why its ok to deface someone else's political stickers, as he has acknowledged he is perfectly ok with it through his actions.
I
kind of do lean to the thought that anyone who still has a 'W' sticker on his car should face some sort of consequences for his stupidity and for forcing the entire country to bear the brunt of his immature outlook on life: "boys kissing=bad, Jesus doesn't like; unnecessary war with hundreds of thousands dead= no problem, Jesus never said anything about killing people".
A bush-cheney 04, or a "W" sticker is not a political campaign sticker, because there is no campaign by that name presently underway, so once the campaign ceases, it just becomes flotsam or in this particular case, an emblem of gross absence of discernment.
It's just like a standard contract to buy a house, once you buy and accept that house, the contract ceases to exist.
So from reading the posts, I would gather that no one seems to think that there are racial overtones from these type acts, especially with a black candidate on the ticket. I would like to think no as there have been incidents in the past where this type action was taken on white candidates, and also when both candidates on the ticket were white.
Just a thought that I've been sharing with most of my friends; I hope Senator Obama does not get hurt or something fatal happens to him. If it does, this country is in big trouble. I am praying for him and pray for him a lot, not that he is special because Senator McCain and the whole nation should be prayed for; but if something tragic happens to Senator Obama, this country may start to deteriorate quite quickly, that is, wars and riots will probably start shortly thereafter. So pray for both candidates but in particular for Senator Obama's safety.
Heights Unknown
Actually, it wasnt reading between the lines as much as mis-reading. I thought you said you and Lee Harvey had defaced stickers.
My bad.
What has JSO done about this problem? It'd be interesting to compare the statistics on this type of crime; I guess vandalism to auto, in Jacksonville to other cities. Of coure they'd have to be reported. How about numbers on people in comparison cities arrested for this very crime?
Even though I found it pathetic that my signs were ripped down, I don't think this is worth any police time. It's a childish act, nothing more. Frankly, I'd like to see these signs done away with entirely. Imagine the waste created for every election cycle. Maybe I'll rip down my own sign next year.
If somebody trespasses on my land and takes some of my property--I want them prosecuted.
Another reason why to not ugly up your car with these things. :)
I had this on my car as a teenager:
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but my brother (a cop) ripped it off.
I've had the urge to rip off a bumper sticker that read "if it ain't king james, it ain't the bible" once.
So it really boils down to the person seeing a bumper sticker that elicts a strong emotional response, and if they're childish enough to rip it off, it happens no matter what the political statement is. But, with Jax being what? 60-70%ish conservative , I'd assume it happens more to the left leaning statements.
Had I seen it in a parking lot, versuses in traffic, I would have been mightily tempted to rip off one sticker that read, "Hitler was a Liberal, too!"
Adding bumper stickers to cars is more fun.
weird. i've never felt compelled to rip someone's bumper sticker off.
Quote from: Lunican on July 28, 2008, 01:19:30 PM
Adding bumper stickers to cars is more fun.
You got a point there Lunican. It is, however, still a crime: vandalism to auto. Once while on Martha’s Vineyard, I passed a pro-end-the-war rally. Since, nobody wants our boy's home more then I, I found an Army Navy Surplus store and purchased some Nam, POW bumper stickers, and well, after a heated exchanged between these maggots that didn’t support our troops, I had to pay to have the stickers removed form the hertz rental car.
Quote from: stephendare on July 28, 2008, 07:24:57 PM
Quote from: Driven1 on July 28, 2008, 07:16:58 PM
weird. i've never felt compelled to rip someone's bumper sticker off.
OMG! I just tried it! It was amazing! Is this pointless thread really still dragging on?
QuoteCandidates Say DOT Contractor Picked Up Signs On Private Property
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JACKSONVILLE, FL -- This time of year, political signs seem to dot the side of every corner and median.
But more than 70 disappeared over the weekend, and it wasn't at the hands of political opponents.
"This has been a running issue in every campaign," says Mike Goldman of the Florida Department of Transportation. "You're not supposed to put signs on public property."
But candidates we talked to say their signs were all legal, on private property.
"For example, the owners of this seafood restaurant are friends of ours, and gave us permission," says Angela Corey, a state attorney candidate.
More than 70 signs disappeared over the weekend, pulled out by a DOT contractor, D-Bi Services.
They're now stored in a warehouse and candidates have a week to pick them up.
"They never contacted us to let us know, or let's work on getting them moved back, which we would have loved for them to do that because it would have saved some time and money and effort," says Braden Curran, Jay Plotkin's campaign manager.
DOT leaders say it is an honest mistake, with a blurry line between public and private property.
"It was not to the best of our knowledge, in fact I'm almost certain, it was not politically motivated," Goldman says.
It is illegal for people to remove of deface a political sign. Those caught could face six months in jail or pay a $500 fine.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=114943&catid=3
QuoteDOT leaders say it is an honest mistake, with a blurry line between public and private property.
Just how is it so blurry? I'd say that overall, it's pretty darn easy to tell what's private and/or public property
I really dont know how I got involved in this silly thread since I never posted in it. For the record, I abhor vandalism and have only been the target of vandalism, not the perpetrator of it. Thanks for your concern though.
BTW, a great way to stop clowns from tearing up your signs is to attach a note which states "I will donate $20 to candidate X and place 2 more signs out for each sign you destroy". This worked quite well for me with my Bush-Cheney signs in Riverside in 2004. ;)