Earth sizzled to a third-straight record hot year in 2016, with scientists mostly blaming man-made global warming.
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/climate-trends-continue-to-break-records
2017 is looking to keep pace. I'd like to have SOME winter at least, please. This is south Florida weather, not necessarily a bad thing, but I like that 6 weeks of coolness that we get here in NE Florida.
Quote from: finehoe on January 19, 2017, 06:49:33 AM
Earth sizzled to a third-straight record hot year in 2016, with scientists mostly blaming man-made global warming.
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/climate-trends-continue-to-break-records
Those Chinese are so good at hoaxes they become real.
http://www.space.com/19280-solar-activity-earth-climate.html (http://www.space.com/19280-solar-activity-earth-climate.html)
given the recorded cycles of cold vs hot (even to extremes) throughout human history, I'm willing to bet the real culprit is something that has been with our planet the whole time ...
I thought last winter in Detroit was warmer than normal, this winter is putting last year to shame. Its been around 40 all week and its rained much more than its snowed. We should have a foot or more of snow on the ground but we have none. And tomorrow its going over 50 degrees! In January!
Quote from: aldermanparklover on January 19, 2017, 01:25:42 PM
http://www.space.com/19280-solar-activity-earth-climate.html (http://www.space.com/19280-solar-activity-earth-climate.html)
given the recorded cycles of cold vs hot (even to extremes) throughout human history, I'm willing to bet the real culprit is something that has been with our planet the whole time ...
Do you even read the links you post?
QuoteAlthough the sun is the main source of heat for Earth, the researchers note that solar variability may have more of a regional effect than a global one. As such, solar variability is not the cause of the global warming seen in recent times.
"While the sun is by far the dominant energy source powering our climate system, do not assume that it is causing much of recent climate changes. It's pretty stable," Kopp said. "Think of it as an 800-pound gorilla in climate — it has the weight to cause enormous changes, but luckily for us, it's pretty placidly lazy. While solar changes have historically caused climate changes, the sun is mostly likely responsible for less than 15 percent of the global temperature increases we've seen over the last century, during which human-caused changes such as increased greenhouse gases caused the majority of warming."
Quote from: aldermanparklover on January 19, 2017, 01:25:42 PM
http://www.space.com/19280-solar-activity-earth-climate.html (http://www.space.com/19280-solar-activity-earth-climate.html)
given the recorded cycles of cold vs hot (even to extremes) throughout human history, I'm willing to bet the real culprit is something that has been with our planet the whole time ...
Natural climate changes are gradual and take place over long periods of time. Not decades.
Way to read half the article.... SMH
Quote from: Jim on January 19, 2017, 03:12:01 PM
Quote from: aldermanparklover on January 19, 2017, 01:25:42 PM
http://www.space.com/19280-solar-activity-earth-climate.html (http://www.space.com/19280-solar-activity-earth-climate.html)
given the recorded cycles of cold vs hot (even to extremes) throughout human history, I'm willing to bet the real culprit is something that has been with our planet the whole time ...
Natural climate changes are gradual and take place over long periods of time. Not decades.
I don't sweat the small stuff and the links I provide are pretty much for the benefit of you guys - this isn't my day job and I'm not responsible for filling in your education gaps (and even if I did, you wouldn't believe me ...)
the fact remains is the climate of Earth's parts is too voluminous and all the external affecting factors unknown for anyone to adequately measure mans impact with enough certainty for anyone but the most paranoid or ignorant to give a flip. It's been going on since the birth of recorded history just that up until very recently, angry gods caused bad weather and cataclysmic Earth events.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Ni%C3%B1o (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Ni%C3%B1o)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling)
and so on, and so on ...
(http://thefederalistpapers.integratedmarket.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/al-gore-ice-caps.jpg)
Quote from: aldermanparklover on January 19, 2017, 04:08:27 PM
Quote from: Jim on January 19, 2017, 03:12:01 PM
Quote from: aldermanparklover on January 19, 2017, 01:25:42 PM
http://www.space.com/19280-solar-activity-earth-climate.html (http://www.space.com/19280-solar-activity-earth-climate.html)
given the recorded cycles of cold vs hot (even to extremes) throughout human history, I'm willing to bet the real culprit is something that has been with our planet the whole time ...
Natural climate changes are gradual and take place over long periods of time. Not decades.
I don't sweat the small stuff and the links I provide are pretty much for the benefit of you guys - this isn't my day job and I'm not responsible for filling in your education gaps (and even if I did, you wouldn't believe me ...)
the fact remains is the climate of Earth's parts is too voluminous and all the external affecting factors unknown for anyone to adequately measure mans impact with enough certainty for anyone but the most paranoid or ignorant to give a flip. It's been going on since the birth of recorded history just that up until very recently, angry gods caused bad weather and cataclysmic Earth events.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Ni%C3%B1o (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Ni%C3%B1o)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling)
and so on, and so on ...
(http://thefederalistpapers.integratedmarket.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/al-gore-ice-caps.jpg)
So again, because you obviously don't read what you link to, natural climate change takes place over long periods of time, not decades, as noted in your own links. And, Gore never said that either. I'd link it to you but I get the feeling you won't read it either.
Quote from: stephendare on January 19, 2017, 04:27:42 PM
Quote from: aldermanparklover on January 19, 2017, 04:08:27 PM
Quote from: Jim on January 19, 2017, 03:12:01 PM
Quote from: aldermanparklover on January 19, 2017, 01:25:42 PM
http://www.space.com/19280-solar-activity-earth-climate.html (http://www.space.com/19280-solar-activity-earth-climate.html)
given the recorded cycles of cold vs hot (even to extremes) throughout human history, I'm willing to bet the real culprit is something that has been with our planet the whole time ...
Natural climate changes are gradual and take place over long periods of time. Not decades.
I don't sweat the small stuff and the links I provide are pretty much for the benefit of you guys - this isn't my day job and I'm not responsible for filling in your education gaps (and even if I did, you wouldn't believe me ...)
the fact remains is the climate of Earth's parts is too voluminous and all the external affecting factors unknown for anyone to adequately measure mans impact with enough certainty for anyone but the most paranoid or ignorant to give a flip. It's been going on since the birth of recorded history just that up until very recently, angry gods caused bad weather and cataclysmic Earth events.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Ni%C3%B1o (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Ni%C3%B1o)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling)
and so on, and so on ...
(http://thefederalistpapers.integratedmarket.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/al-gore-ice-caps.jpg)
so an internet graphic is your closing mic drop?
For the factual claim, here is the interview in which Andrea Mitchell spoke with Gore about sea Ice (in 2009).
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/34345406/ns/politics-more_politics/#.WIEsKLGZPQk
He actually said that the arctic ice was expected to disappear within a decade. 2009 + 10 = 2019, technically. And 'expected' is not the same as 'predicted'.
Which he actually clarified on record a few days later, according to fact check:
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/12/palin-vs-gore-climate-showdown/
Since 2009, cutbacks and a slowdown of CO2 emissions have occurred, largely because of the near shutdown of the global economy resulting from the Bush Years.
Even so, this year is the hottest year on record, and joins the hottest nine years on record racked up over the last decade.
The Arctic Ice, according to NASA is experiencing shocking losses during the summer season, which you can read about here:
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/arctic-sea-ice-is-losing-its-bulwark-against-warming-summers
Here is a progression of the Arctic Ice cap for the past few decades.
https://www.youtube.com/v/6ZAuRpK4tkc
So again, your information is wrong, misleading and politically motivated.
Also, if you are going to use the 'global cooling' canard. You should probably actually read the wiki page before posting a link to it.
(http://churchm.ag/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/kool-aid-oh-yeah.jpg)
Quote from: stephendare on January 19, 2017, 04:30:49 PM
great. Its not often people concede this debate so quickly.
Thank you for bowing out. Its nonsensical anyways.
I'm doing work - I'll be back later
Quote from: aldermanparklover on January 19, 2017, 08:10:18 PM
I'm doing work - I'll be back later
Putting egg crates on the walls is time-consuming.
Quote from: finehoe on January 19, 2017, 08:56:50 PM
Quote from: aldermanparklover on January 19, 2017, 08:10:18 PM
I'm doing work - I'll be back later
Putting egg crates on the walls is time-consuming.
I'm pretty sure APL's (center) progress looks quite a bit like this:
(https://newslang89.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/hustleandflow2.jpg)
Not sure which of the other two gents is REALPATRIOT, but I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.
Quote from: aldermanparklover on January 20, 2017, 10:22:18 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/20/weather-channel-founder-gores-inconvenient-sequel-another-scientific-monstrosity/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/20/weather-channel-founder-gores-inconvenient-sequel-another-scientific-monstrosity/)
Not sure whats inside this story either ... Lets find out together shall we?
Yeah, because when you can't refute science, why not post some gossip about the head of a cable channel?
(http://assets.climatecentral.org/images/made/2016GlobalNumbers_TopTenYearsUpdate_660_371_s_c1_c_c.jpg)
Quote from: finehoe on January 29, 2017, 03:33:18 PM
(http://assets.climatecentral.org/images/made/2016GlobalNumbers_TopTenYearsUpdate_660_371_s_c1_c_c.jpg)
Now Finehoe, you can't just go around using data like that. They'll figure out some way to flip the chart upside down, change the colors to hues of blue and alter the parameters and claim the data came from this ostracized climatologist who's spent the past 115 years on a mountain top studying how New York snow birds are making the Earth cooler.