A spate of violence takes its toll on cityQuoteBy day’s end, the tally of Jacksonville homicides would jump from 73 to at least 77 for the year. Jacksonville had recorded 80 homicides by the same time last year and 88 by the same date in 2006.
http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/072108/met_307042743.shtml
With Chicago calling in the National Guard it sure makes you wonder if that's a possibility here. Is every year going to be like this now??Geez...
yes - and 40 additional police officers - or 300 additional police officers is not going to dramatically decrease the crime rate - unless all of them are put in these high-crime areas. but even then, that is a temporary solution. and i think it would only decrease the crime a little. like putting a plastic cap over a full-pressure, gushing water hose. it's gonna pop off eventually.
high crime is here to stay. we all know it starts in the home. and you can't force people to stop having children and you can't force them to be good parents when they do. because of this, the high crime is here to stay.
IMHO 40 new cops is a JOKE.
Quotethe high crime is here to stay.
If that's true then it does not bode well for the future of this city. You can build all the IMAX theaters you want...welcome to South Detroit.
Strict policing can certainly have its impact. Isn't that how Giulianni made his name in New York? I'd say things are a bit better there now.
Quote from: Driven1 on July 21, 2008, 10:19:07 AM
high crime is here to stay. we all know it starts in the home. and you can't force people to stop having children and you can't force them to be good parents when they do. because of this, the high crime is here to stay.
God I used to hate the. for lack of a better term, 'family argument' on crime. Then I taught public high school. Responsible, dedicated parents, who actually want and love their children, are the fist step to reducing our city's number of criminals.
QuoteIsn't that how Giulianni made his name in New York? I'd say things are a bit better there now.
That's a good point and yes they are better now...but Giullianni and Peyton are about as unlike each other as I can imagine.
Quote from: Jason on July 21, 2008, 10:58:08 AM
Strict policing can certainly have its impact. Isn't that how Giulianni made his name in New York? I'd say things are a bit better there now.
But what about people who just don't care about going to jail? You cannot scare someone who doesn't care about his own life by threatening him with a jail sentence.
QuoteBut what about people who just don't care about going to jail?
It seems like Duval has a very large population of people with that exact mind set.
True. But I also think that humans thrive on discipline, order, and process. If our species thrived on chaos then this world would look entirely different.
Those repeat offenders can eventually be broken if the system rids itself of the slack that allows them to keep offending. Just like the troubled teen that get sent off to the military and come back a productive and well adjusted member of society. That system needs to start in the home to effect the long run, but in the short term, strict policing (when applied properly) can reduce crime rates significantly. That said, I don't think Mayor Peyton is enough of a hard ass (like Guilianni) to be able to pull it off.
QuotePolice will release more details at 2 p.m. about a deadly Jacksonville police shooting that ended a bloody Sunday in which three other people were killed in random attacks and another is clinging to life.
Chief Rick Graham of the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office will hold a press conference this afternoon about the day’s violence.
Meanwhile, an anti-crime activist sounded a familiar call this morning for the community to step up and do more to stop the violence. Donald Foy, president of the local chapter of MAD DADS, blamed the rampant crime primarily on disputes involving gangs, drugs and turf.
http://news.jacksonville.com/justin/2008/07/21/police-expected-to-release-more-on-officer-involved-shooting-today-crimefighter-speaks-out-against-continued-violence/
Every time something like this happens we get 1.) a press conference 2.) mad dads 3.) lots of unanswered questions. Wash, rinse and repeat.
Quote from: thebrokenforum on July 21, 2008, 11:26:08 AM
QuotePolice will release more details at 2 p.m. about a deadly Jacksonville police shooting that ended a bloody Sunday in which three other people were killed in random attacks and another is clinging to life.
Chief Rick Graham of the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office will hold a press conference this afternoon about the day’s violence.
Meanwhile, an anti-crime activist sounded a familiar call this morning for the community to step up and do more to stop the violence. Donald Foy, president of the local chapter of MAD DADS, blamed the rampant crime primarily on disputes involving gangs, drugs and turf.
http://news.jacksonville.com/justin/2008/07/21/police-expected-to-release-more-on-officer-involved-shooting-today-crimefighter-speaks-out-against-continued-violence/
Every time something like this happens we get 1.) a press conference 2.) mad dads 3.) lots of unanswered questions. Wash, rinse and repeat.
Number 3 is the biggest problem. People know who do these crimes... they simply do not want to "rat them out". They know who the thugs are on their street. They know who are the gang bangers... they do not tell the police. The police ask the correct questions but if the folks in the 'hood dont want to divulge the people commiting the crimes then not much can be done...
again - it is here to stay. take temporary stop-gap measures if you'd like, but the problem is here to stay. it's no longer news. it is just another characteristic of Jax.... like beaches, the river, the bridges, the high crime rate. i think it is better to accept it because again:
Quotewe all know it starts in the home. and you can't force people to stop having children and you can't force them to be good parents when they do.
That's pretty defeatist though isn't it? Had Giullianni shrugged his shoulders NYC would resemble "Escape From New York" by now...which is the direction we're heading in.
Quote from: thebrokenforum on July 21, 2008, 12:00:44 PM
That's pretty defeatist though isn't it? Had Giullianni shrugged his shoulders NYC would resemble "Escape From New York" by now...which is the direction we're heading in.
i think it is more realistic than defeatistist.
Looks like Peyton's Jacksonville Journey is wildly popular:
Talkback Opinion Poll
Will Mayor Peyton's crime initiatives stop the violence in Jacksonville?
Yes 4.8%
No 95.2%
firstcoastnews.com
Quote from: Steve on July 21, 2008, 02:23:13 PM
Looks like Peyton's Jacksonville Journey is wildly popular:
Talkback Opinion Poll
Will Mayor Peyton's crime initiatives stop the violence in Jacksonville?
Yes 4.8%
No 95.2%
firstcoastnews.com
i think this has less to do with Peyton's efforts than the citizens' collective realization that no amount of $$ will stop this problem.
The Jacksonville Journey is made up of many people who have achieved results in many areas. While not an expert on the plan I believe it has hope if we fund it. No silver bullets just long term good government will make our city what we want it. The obvious problem is Florida will be 50th in funding it's schools this year and Duval will be near the bottom of those counties.
Quotejust long term good government
That's
exactly what we are lacking. We have exactly the opposite right now. We have ZERO leadership right now. I'm leaning towards Driven's opinion about being "realistic" in the respect that as long as
Peyton/Rutherford are making decisions we are headed for more bloodshed as the murder capital of the state.
Quote“If we do not reverse this trend we are going to limit our future,†Peyton told the Times-Union before the Westside press conference. “We’re not only losing lives. It’s costing this community in the form of loss of quality of life, [a] challenge in recruiting businesses [and a] challenge in keeping businesses.â€
All right, is it just me or does Peyton sound like a regular old concerned citizen here with his hands in his pockets and shoulders shrugged; like he's prodding the real mayor of Jacksonville to wake up and do something about this? ???
Uh, that's
your job there, guy.
Quote from: thebrokenforum on July 21, 2008, 10:03:44 AM
A spate of violence takes its toll on city
QuoteBy day’s end, the tally of Jacksonville homicides would jump from 73 to at least 77 for the year. Jacksonville had recorded 80 homicides by the same time last year and 88 by the same date in 2006.
http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/072108/met_307042743.shtml
With Chicago calling in the National Guard it sure makes you wonder if that's a possibility here. Is every year going to be like this now??Geez...
So evidently murder is actually going
down (though of course not by as much as we would like). So that's a good thing, right?
PS Contrary to popular myth, it isn't true that Jax is no. 1 in the state in murder.
Quote2 shot at Washington Heights; 5 more shot in Lake Forest Hills
Two people were shot at Washington Heights Apartments on West Moncrief, followed by five more a few hours later on nearby Aubrey Avenue.
Jacksonville homicide detectives were called to the apartments about 12:30 p.m. Wednesday. Sgt. Rick Hike said one person suffered life-threatening wounds and the other was not as serious.
It was too early to get any other details, but the scene at 4229 W. Moncrief was littered with shell casings.
About five hours later at five more people were shot at Aubrey and Denham Road in Lake Forest Hills. Police at the scene said none was life-threatening.
The shootings weren't all that far away, but it's too early to tell if there's any correlation.
Full Article (http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2008-12-10/2_shot_at_washington_heights_5_more_shot_in_lake_forest_hills)
maybe the NAACP chair should live a week in one of those apartments before they start talking about police shooting blah, blah, blah.
I know the chair of Florida NAACP does not live in Jacksonville. Anyone know where does the local NAACP chair live? Does s/he ever set foot in any of those apartments?
How about the New York method? They cleaned Manhattan up pretty much!
Quote from: Driven1 on July 21, 2008, 10:19:07 AM
high crime is here to stay. we all know it starts in the home. and you can't force people to stop having FATHERLESS children and you can't force them to be good parents when they do. because of this, the high crime is here to stay.
I totally agree, I had to add a word to your post though.
Quote from: Driven1 on July 21, 2008, 10:19:07 AM
high crime is here to stay. we all know it starts in the home. and you can't force people to stop having children and you can't force them to be good parents when they do. because of this, the high crime is here to stay.
those in the 'criminal justice' occupations would say "job security" to statements like that. Its definitely a growth industry, particularly here in 'the bold new city of the south'.