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Community => Business => Topic started by: finehoe on November 18, 2016, 11:48:19 AM

Title: Drain That Swamp!
Post by: finehoe on November 18, 2016, 11:48:19 AM
Bankers Celebrate the Dawn of the Trump Era

Christmas has arrived early for Wall Street in the early days of the Donald Trump era.

A populist candidate who railed against shady financial interests on the campaign trail is now putting together an administration that looks like an investment banker's dream.

Former Goldman Sachs banker Steven Mnuchin has been seen at Trump Tower amid rumors that he's the leading candidate for Treasury secretary. Billionaire investor Wilbur Ross appears headed to the Commerce Department. Steve Bannon, another Goldman alum, will work steps from the Oval Office. JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon remains a possibility as Treasury secretary and will serve as an outside adviser if he doesn't get the job.

It's a restoration of Wall Street power — and a potential flip in the way the industry is regulated — perhaps unparalleled in American history.

"You would have to go back to the 1920s to see so much Wall Street influence coming to Washington," said Charles Geisst, a Wall Street historian at Manhattan College. "It's the most dramatic turnaround one could imagine. That's the truly astonishing part."

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-wall-street-bankers-231524
Title: Re: Drain That Swamp!
Post by: spuwho on November 18, 2016, 12:00:07 PM
This is not a sarcastic question, where does a President find people of education and talent to help with managing budgets, monetary policy, with the scope the size of the Federal Govt.?

Title: Re: Drain That Swamp!
Post by: Adam White on November 18, 2016, 01:19:10 PM
Quote from: spuwho on November 18, 2016, 12:00:07 PM
This is not a sarcastic question, where does a President find people of education and talent to help with managing budgets, monetary policy, with the scope the size of the Federal Govt.?

Universities? Think tanks?
Title: Re: Drain That Swamp!
Post by: fsquid on November 18, 2016, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: stephendare on November 18, 2016, 12:06:02 PM
Quote from: spuwho on November 18, 2016, 12:00:07 PM
This is not a sarcastic question, where does a President find people of education and talent to help with managing budgets, monetary policy, with the scope the size of the Federal Govt.?

Apparently this one looks to the Klan.



they've been able to stay in business despite global headwinds.
Title: Re: Drain That Swamp!
Post by: finehoe on November 18, 2016, 01:39:44 PM
Quote from: fsquid on November 18, 2016, 01:35:56 PM
they've been able to stay in business despite global headwinds.

Thanks to trillions in government subsidies.
Title: Re: Drain That Swamp!
Post by: BakeryRibault5PTS on November 18, 2016, 02:24:31 PM
Gotta have Goldman alumni. GS hires talented and well rounded people who do everything well.

They are easily the smartest people in the room while academia is all talk and theory and no tangible achievements.




Title: Re: Drain That Swamp!
Post by: finehoe on November 18, 2016, 02:37:37 PM
Quote from: BakeryRibault5PTS on November 18, 2016, 02:24:31 PM
Gotta have Goldman alumni. GS hires talented and well rounded people who do everything well.

They are easily the smartest people in the room while academia is all talk and theory and no tangible achievements.

Hmmm, where have we heard that before?  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1016268/
Title: Re: Drain That Swamp!
Post by: JHAT76 on November 18, 2016, 02:40:21 PM
Quote from: fsquid on November 18, 2016, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: stephendare on November 18, 2016, 12:06:02 PM
Quote from: spuwho on November 18, 2016, 12:00:07 PM
This is not a sarcastic question, where does a President find people of education and talent to help with managing budgets, monetary policy, with the scope the size of the Federal Govt.?

Apparently this one looks to the Klan.



they've been able to stay in business despite global headwinds.

Headwinds lose strength when you have buddies at the Fed and Treasury no?  Or do we not talk about these things?

"Recent disclosures from the Federal Reserve reveal that honesty was one of the earliest casualties of the 2008 financial crisis. These disclosures contain a number of juicy tidbits, like the fact that Goldman Sachs received tens of billions of dollars in direct and indirect succor from the Fed.

Thanks to these spectacularly large taxpayer-funded bailouts, Goldman was able to continue "doing God's Work" – as CEO Lloyd Blankfein infamously remarked – like the work of producing billion-dollar trading profits without ever suffering a single day of losses.

Thanks to the Fed's massive, undisclosed assistance, Goldman Sachs managed to project an image of financial well-being, even while accessing tens of billions of dollars of direct assistance from the Federal Reserve."


http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2010/12/totally-busted-truth-about-goldmans.html (http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2010/12/totally-busted-truth-about-goldmans.html)

http://www.businessinsider.com/goldman-sachs-aig-bailout (http://www.businessinsider.com/goldman-sachs-aig-bailout)

Post Script, this was for Goldman not the Klan.  I realize FSU was talking about the Klan now.  My bad.
Title: Re: Drain That Swamp!
Post by: Adam White on November 18, 2016, 02:52:13 PM
Quote from: finehoe on November 18, 2016, 02:37:37 PM
Quote from: BakeryRibault5PTS on November 18, 2016, 02:24:31 PM
Gotta have Goldman alumni. GS hires talented and well rounded people who do everything well.

They are easily the smartest people in the room while academia is all talk and theory and no tangible achievements.

Hmmm, where have we heard that before?  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1016268/

LOL!
Title: Re: Drain That Swamp!
Post by: Adam White on November 18, 2016, 02:54:06 PM
Quote from: BakeryRibault5PTS on November 18, 2016, 02:24:31 PM
They are easily the smartest people in the room while academia is all talk and theory and no tangible achievements.

So, presumably you agree that the "Miracle of Chile" was a complete disaster and that Friedman, et al were nothing but snake oil salesmen?
Title: Re: Drain That Swamp!
Post by: fsquid on November 18, 2016, 03:01:25 PM
Quote from: finehoe on November 18, 2016, 01:39:44 PM
Quote from: fsquid on November 18, 2016, 01:35:56 PM
they've been able to stay in business despite global headwinds.

Thanks to trillions in government subsidies.

the Klan?  dang i need to get racist
Title: Re: Drain That Swamp!
Post by: Adam White on November 18, 2016, 03:04:16 PM
Quote from: fsquid on November 18, 2016, 03:01:25 PM
Quote from: finehoe on November 18, 2016, 01:39:44 PM
Quote from: fsquid on November 18, 2016, 01:35:56 PM
they've been able to stay in business despite global headwinds.

Thanks to trillions in government subsidies.

the Klan?  dang i need to get racist

You'd be like the anti-Trump. He had billions first and then reinvented himself as a racist.
Title: Re: Drain That Swamp!
Post by: BakeryRibault5PTS on November 18, 2016, 03:37:27 PM
Adam,

I interviewed at GS. My recruiter at GS was a young woman from New Orleans with a degree in English from Harvard.
Everyone in financial services wants to be at GS.
It's a fine organization.
GS is a global company with the best talent and its alumni are often offered jobs in the government on basis of MERIT

Title: Re: Drain That Swamp!
Post by: Adam White on November 18, 2016, 03:51:54 PM
Quote from: BakeryRibault5PTS on November 18, 2016, 03:37:27 PM
Adam,

I interviewed at GS. My recruiter at GS was a young woman from New Orleans with a degree in English from Harvard.
Everyone in financial services wants to be at GS.
It's a fine organization.
GS is a global company with the best talent and its alumni are often offered jobs in the government on basis of MERIT

I wasn't commenting on GS - I was commenting on your statement about academics.
Title: Re: Drain That Swamp!
Post by: JHAT76 on November 18, 2016, 03:55:43 PM
Quote from: BakeryRibault5PTS on November 18, 2016, 03:37:27 PM
Adam,

I interviewed at GS. My recruiter at GS was a young woman from New Orleans with a degree in English from Harvard.
Everyone in financial services wants to be at GS.
It's a fine organization.
GS is a global company with the best talent and its alumni are often offered jobs in the government on basis of MERIT

Took a big drink from the Kool Aid bowl I see.
Title: Re: Drain That Swamp!
Post by: Adam White on November 18, 2016, 04:03:09 PM
No way the lovely people at Goldman Sachs wasted our taxpayer dollars on lowly Kool Aid!
Title: Re: Drain That Swamp!
Post by: MusicMan on November 18, 2016, 04:52:44 PM
"They are easily the smartest people in the room while academia is all talk and theory and no tangible achievements."


And really good at getting fined, evidently.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/15/business/dealbook/goldman-to-pay-5-billion-to-settle-claims-of-faulty-mortgages.html

Now that is quite an achievement.
Title: Re: Drain That Swamp!
Post by: Gunnar on November 19, 2016, 08:51:44 AM
Quote from: MusicMan on November 18, 2016, 04:52:44 PM
"They are easily the smartest people in the room while academia is all talk and theory and no tangible achievements."


And really good at getting fined, evidently.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/15/business/dealbook/goldman-to-pay-5-billion-to-settle-claims-of-faulty-mortgages.html

Now that is quite an achievement.

It may actually be an achievement is you compare their fines to those of other banks - it really depends on exposure / past profits vs. current fines.
Title: Re: Drain That Swamp!
Post by: MusicMan on November 19, 2016, 12:41:06 PM
And you should look at the "why" of the fine.

They screwed a lot of people over in order to make money. That's nice. :)
Title: Re: Drain That Swamp!
Post by: Gunnar on November 21, 2016, 03:09:47 AM
I am aware of the reasons for the fine. I just pointed out that if their share of the total fine is lower than their share of the previous market / business then they did a good job on that part.
Title: Re: Drain That Swamp!
Post by: Adam White on November 21, 2016, 04:04:59 AM
Quote from: Gunnar on November 21, 2016, 03:09:47 AM
I am aware of the reasons for the fine. I just pointed out that if their share of the total fine is lower than their share of the previous market / business then they did a good job on that part.

It might indeed be a savvy business move. But not necessarily indicative of the kind of people you want setting public policy!
Title: Re: Drain That Swamp!
Post by: MusicMan on November 21, 2016, 08:58:20 AM
Yes. I think the basic business premise is this:

We can make $100,000,000,000 billion breaking the law, and get fined $5,000,000,000,  that's good business!

Damn, why didn't I think of that?