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Jacksonville by Neighborhood => Urban Neighborhoods => Riverside/Avondale => Topic started by: Metro Jacksonville on November 01, 2016, 06:30:01 AM

Title: The lost impact of streetcar lines on Riverside
Post by: Metro Jacksonville on November 01, 2016, 06:30:01 AM
The lost impact of streetcar lines on Riverside

(http://photos.moderncities.com/Cities/Jacksonville/Neighborhoods/Riverside/i-GWTrk8s/0/L/DSCF3346-L.jpg)

Largely viewed as a city built for the automobile, things were not always this way in Jacksonville. Eight decades have passed since buses replaced streetcars as the city's primary mode of public transportation. As time has moved on, the idea of a sunbelt city being built and developed to accommodate the automobile has become common amongst its population. However, the reality of Jacksonville's situation is that for much of first century of its development, the autombile was not a dominant mode of travel.

Read More: http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2016-nov-the-lost-impact-of-streetcar-lines-on-riverside
Title: Re: The lost impact of streetcar lines on Riverside
Post by: finehoe on November 01, 2016, 09:42:00 AM
How did the streetcar cross the river?  Did it have a right-of-way over the Acosta, did it use the railroad bridge, or did it have it's own structure that's now gone?
Title: Re: The lost impact of streetcar lines on Riverside
Post by: Adam White on November 01, 2016, 09:49:34 AM
Quote from: finehoe on November 01, 2016, 09:42:00 AM
How did the streetcar cross the river?  Did it have a right-of-way over the Acosta, did it use the railroad bridge, or did it have it's own structure that's now gone?

That issue will be covered in the upcoming "The Lost Impact of Teleportation Devices on Riverside" story.
Title: Re: The lost impact of streetcar lines on Riverside
Post by: acme54321 on November 01, 2016, 10:11:41 AM
Quote from: finehoe on November 01, 2016, 09:42:00 AM
How did the streetcar cross the river?  Did it have a right-of-way over the Acosta, did it use the railroad bridge, or did it have it's own structure that's now gone?

Acosta
Title: Re: The lost impact of streetcar lines on Riverside
Post by: thelakelander on November 01, 2016, 10:18:53 AM
(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/photos/thumbs/lrg-1260-acostabridge-historic.jpg)

Originally, the line to the City of South Jacksonville was operated by a different company. Thus, the streetcar tracks did not directly connect when the Acosta first opened.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/1596187285_jdwNqVh-M.jpg)
Title: Re: The lost impact of streetcar lines on Riverside
Post by: Adam White on November 01, 2016, 10:29:53 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on November 01, 2016, 10:18:53 AM
(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/photos/thumbs/lrg-1260-acostabridge-historic.jpg)

That's a wonderful picture.
Title: Re: The lost impact of streetcar lines on Riverside
Post by: Dog Walker on November 01, 2016, 01:44:02 PM
When the old Acosta Bridge was torn down, the original rails were discovered buried in the paving.  A friend of mine who was with FDOT at the time gave me one of the slices of the rail that were made.  Neat reminder of those times.

Notice the wide pedestrian walkways on both sides of the old bridge.  The original Fuller Warren Bridge had them too, but no more.  Thanks to the bike/ped community, RAP, Jim Love and Robin Lumb the re-do of the bridge is going to include bike/ped lanes.
Title: Re: The lost impact of streetcar lines on Riverside
Post by: Know Growth on November 01, 2016, 10:04:22 PM
A collective "yawn" regards subject matter.

For a very nice period of time I resided at Aberdeen and Riverside.
The former Street Car "tracks" so carefully "Preserved" via inverted street clay bricks.........YEA!!!                      NOW WHAT??

Eventually,I would end up for a time in San Francisco,Northern California.Learn first hand modern day San Fran Streetcar mobility.(And the realization that,if I end up in the region,it will not be due to Streetcar.... 8) )

Since the first recognition of Aberdeen Streetcar Evidence I only witnessed more and more........Vehicles....... YEA !!!!!

If I had children,I would rather they never ever be exposed to Jacksonville "Streetcar" Romantic Narrative. "Lost Impact".Better yet to conduct Neighborhood Car Count.Start Over. Some impacts might best be lost forever.
Title: Re: The lost impact of streetcar lines on Riverside
Post by: Know Growth on November 01, 2016, 10:51:53 PM
Quote from: stephendare on November 01, 2016, 10:31:35 PM
Quote from: Know Growth on November 01, 2016, 10:04:22 PM
A collective "yawn" regards subject matter.

For a very nice period of time I resided at Aberdeen and Riverside.
The former Street Car "tracks" so carefully "Preserved" via inverted street clay bricks.........YEA!!!                      NOW WHAT??

Eventually,I would end up for a time in San Francisco,Northern California.Learn first hand modern day San Fran Streetcar mobility.(And the realization that,if I end up in the region,it will not be due to Streetcar.... 8) )

Since the first recognition of Aberdeen Streetcar Evidence I only witnessed more and more........Vehicles....... YEA !!!!!

If I had children,I would rather they never ever be exposed to Jacksonville "Streetcar" Romantic Narrative. "Lost Impact".Better yet to conduct Neighborhood Car Count.Start Over. Some impacts might best be lost forever.

good lord, its amazing how  tiresome people can be.  Of course, if you should end up in modern  day San Francisco, it will be because it developed along the lines of sensible fixed transit. Same as riverside avondale.  So in a way, yes it would be due to street car.

Perhaps you could go back to North Miami and fix all that racial openness that you claim ruined it in the 70s.

Glad you have somethin' to do,reply here.
North Miami Head Gear:   8) 8)
Growin' up in 60's and 70's North Miami,Stephen's reference to North Miami proved prophetic:we were under the impression  Jacksonville Is Inferior. Good Call!Proven Tiresome. More than we back then and there good ol best place North Murami would have ever imagined. 8)

Any possible future Cal residence will be far from San Francisco

Neither San Francisco nor pretty much other other entity really,effectively gives a hoot what transpires here. 8) 8) 8)

RAP overgrowth /future landscape possibly reflects Jacksonville Ingrained Self Loathing,Lack Of Growth/ Low Self Esteem placement and position.
Don't look to my native North Miami address current resident for such insight....  8) 8)  (Awww,come on Stephen,walk up to the front porch of my Native North Miami Home,hang out there,at least as much as I have. Do this or why not consider just skip "Reply"
     
What a Privilege we both enjoy

Wortheless
Title: Re: The lost impact of streetcar lines on Riverside
Post by: Gunnar on November 03, 2016, 09:58:15 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on November 01, 2016, 10:18:53 AM
(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/photos/thumbs/lrg-1260-acostabridge-historic.jpg)

What's that building on the left ? The local satanist lodge   ;)
Title: Re: The lost impact of streetcar lines on Riverside
Post by: Adam White on November 03, 2016, 11:01:55 AM
Quote from: Gunnar on November 03, 2016, 09:58:15 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on November 01, 2016, 10:18:53 AM
(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/photos/thumbs/lrg-1260-acostabridge-historic.jpg)

What's that building on the left ? The local satanist lodge   ;)

That 666 for Colds billboard was still up when I was in high school. Not sure when they took it down. A lost Jax landmark!
Title: Re: The lost impact of streetcar lines on Riverside
Post by: acme54321 on November 03, 2016, 11:15:28 AM
Is that picture the north or south end of the bridge?
Title: Re: The lost impact of streetcar lines on Riverside
Post by: thelakelander on November 03, 2016, 11:25:27 AM
North end. That's the old Monticello Drug Company warehouse.  I believe it was demolished in the 1990s to make room for the current Acosta Bridge.