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Title: Analysis: DT Jacksonille's Residential Environment
Post by: Metro Jacksonville on October 18, 2016, 03:00:04 AM
Analysis: DT Jacksonille's Residential Environment

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Title: Re: Analysis: DT Jacksonille's Residential Environment
Post by: Jax Friend on October 18, 2016, 07:11:18 AM
Love me some raw data! These numbers are exciting, but I do think the numbers alone mischaracterize the state of downtown. For instance, if you broke down the numbers between each of downtown's districts I'm sure there would be considerable disparities. Speaking of the residential aspect alone, the Southbank and Brooklyn have seen a bulk of the development for the last decade. Now consider the impact on existing infrastructure. Much of downtown's urban potential is locked in the Northbank. Brooklyn less so than the Southbank, but residential developments have done little to impact the cities true urban core. It seems that people want a beautiful view of the Northbank but don't want to deal with its systemic problems that exist there. Until developers take interest in Northbank locations Jacksonville's urban potential will remain locked in the rotting buildings of a more prestigious past.
Title: Re: Analysis: DT Jacksonille's Residential Environment
Post by: vicupstate on October 18, 2016, 08:32:38 AM
What is the hell happened in 2014 to makes the numbers of employees jump 12k?

Title: Re: Analysis: DT Jacksonille's Residential Environment
Post by: TheCat on October 18, 2016, 09:07:30 AM
I'm waiting on 2014 and 2015 numbers to post #residences by neighborhood.

2014 - let me look into it...I think the method of reporting changed. If that's the case I'll notate the graphs.
Title: Re: Analysis: DT Jacksonille's Residential Environment
Post by: Captain Zissou on October 18, 2016, 09:19:01 AM
I'm guessing the boundaries of downtown or measurement criteria changed.  For residents there was a huge uptick, but I can't think of a single project that was completed during that time.  Peninsula, Strand, and San Marco place were all 2008 and 2009, Brooklyn area development was 2015, but somehow 2011 and 2012 show the largest increase.
Title: Re: Analysis: DT Jacksonille's Residential Environment
Post by: Tacachale on October 18, 2016, 10:16:42 AM
Quote from: Captain Zissou on October 18, 2016, 09:19:01 AM
I'm guessing the boundaries of downtown or measurement criteria changed.  For residents there was a huge uptick, but I can't think of a single project that was completed during that time.  Peninsula, Strand, and San Marco place were all 2008 and 2009, Brooklyn area development was 2015, but somehow 2011 and 2012 show the largest increase.

This is probably filling out the various buildings that were completed in the early and mid '00s. I'm not sure how there would be a reporting difference in those years; usually the numbers come from the whole CBD which includes Brooklyn and the Southbank. The proportions of people has increased a lot, but the total numbers have only gone from 1592 in 2004 to 4129 in 2015 so it's not a huge numeric increase. It's not even halfway to the 10,000 we were shooting for, and of course a lot of the growth is on the Southbank (and more recently Brooklyn) rather than the Northbank core.
Title: Re: Analysis: DT Jacksonille's Residential Environment
Post by: remc86007 on October 18, 2016, 01:46:43 PM
I think developers are really underestimating the demand for residential in the core of the northbank. 11E and the Carling are the only practical options last time I checked and they were close to full. The Brooklyn Riverside demonstrates the demand in my opinion. If people are willing to live in those things (with practically no view and high rent) then surely people would be willing to live downtown in a tower with a view of something and similar rent. Maybe all downtown needs is an organic grocery store...
Title: Re: Analysis: DT Jacksonille's Residential Environment
Post by: KenFSU on October 18, 2016, 03:20:45 PM
Quote from: vicupstate on October 18, 2016, 08:32:38 AM
What is the hell happened in 2014 to makes the numbers of employees jump 12k?



I was wondering the same thing. In looking at the two reports, downtown employment jumps from 49,000 to 59,400 between 2014 and 2015. I don't see any footnotes about boundary changes, and a bullet point in the 2015 report notes 1,600 new jobs in downtown Jacksonville, not 10,400.