The metamorphosis of Avondale's St. Johns Village
(http://photos.moderncities.com/Cities/Jacksonville/Development/St-Johns-Village/i-x24gbQF/0/L/stjv_viewalongstjohnsave-L.jpg)
The redevelopment of Avondale's Commander Apartments and St. Johns Village shopping center appears to be finally moving forward after a decade of starts and stops. Here's a brief summary the project's eleven year metamorphosis and a collection of the latest renderings.
Read More: http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2016-sep-the-metamorphosis-of-avondales-st-johns-village
Renderings. Wow!!! Let's get all excited. Wonder if they'll turn out as close to the renderings as the stadium amphitheater did.
Demolition underway at former St. Johns Village retail center in Avondale
Full article: http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=549360
Heard a rumor that the developers have run into funding issues. Activity on the site has certainly ground to a halt now that the demo is done. Does anyone have additional insight?
Quote from: grimss on April 21, 2017, 01:55:44 PM
Heard a rumor that the developers have run into funding issues. Activity on the site has certainly ground to a halt now that the demo is done. Does anyone have additional insight?
If this is true, then FML:(
We've got to fix how development is done in this manner - demolition should not take place until funding is secured for the replacement. Other cities have to have solved this.
Quote from: Steve on April 21, 2017, 03:22:32 PM
Quote from: grimss on April 21, 2017, 01:55:44 PM
Heard a rumor that the developers have run into funding issues. Activity on the site has certainly ground to a halt now that the demo is done. Does anyone have additional insight?
If this is true, then FML:(
We've got to fix how development is done in this manner - demolition should not take place until funding is secured for the replacement. Other cities have to have solved this.
Oh gosh I hope this is not true. You are right about how projects like this are handled Steve. I will be watching for any confirmation that there is a problem with funding. sigh
The one thing that I never understood about this project was why just strictly residential.
Another derelict, half complete apartment tower on the water? Sign me up!
Quote from: JaxAvondale on April 21, 2017, 03:58:20 PM
The one thing that I never understood about this project was why just strictly residential.
+1
Let's hope that space doesn't stay empty like the proposed skin facility project on Park Street that has been sold & demoed for over a year.
During the RAP home tour this past weekend, I ran into someone who had talked to one of the subcontractors on the job. According to the sub, Chase Partners "ran out of money" and all activity on the site has been halted for a minimum of six months.
Well that sucks.
Well, I hate that this is going to be an eye sore for the foreseeable future. Hopefully, some group can swoop in and put together a better project.
Woooow... So typical. At least this eyesore isn't immediately visible downtown. Different building, but does anyone know what the company that bought Berkman 2 is doing? I thought they were on the verge of redevelopment last year.
Quote from: grimss on May 03, 2017, 10:24:07 AM
During the RAP home tour this past weekend, I ran into someone who had talked to one of the subcontractors on the job. According to the sub, Chase Partners "ran out of money" and all activity on the site has been halted for a minimum of six months.
Just to clarify, CHASE properties sold to CHANCE Partners last year. Balanky is not involved in this deal anymore.
Thanks. I knew that, but was sloppy in phrasing. Names (Chance, Chase) are so close I mix them up.
4000 St. Johns Ave., addition of 140 apartments to former Commander Apartments site, seven permits totaling $1.6 million, Landsouth Construction.
http://jacksonville.com/business/business-notebook/real-estate/2017-06-17/sunday-notebook-self-storage-planned-san-marco
Quote from: thelakelander on June 17, 2017, 10:50:27 PM
4000 St. Johns Ave., addition of 140 apartments to former Commander Apartments site, seven permits totaling $1.6 million, Landsouth Construction.
http://jacksonville.com/business/business-notebook/real-estate/2017-06-17/sunday-notebook-self-storage-planned-san-marco
Does this exclude the 90 units from the existing Commander Apartments?
I still think this is a huge waste of retail potential.
The retail over there was hamstrung the last 5+ years because they would only sign 1 or 2 year leases with no extensions and, to their credit, were informing prospective tenants the place would likely be demolished. As a result they wound up with a deserted center. But if done right retail there would be a huge asset.
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on June 19, 2017, 11:23:13 AM
I still think this is a huge waste of retail potential.
The retail over there was hamstrung the last 5+ years because they would only sign 1 or 2 year leases with no extensions and, to their credit, were informing prospective tenants the place would likely be demolished. As a result they wound up with a deserted center. But if done right retail there would be a huge asset.
Agree. My hope though is that the added density in the area encourages redevelopment or at least enhancements for the nearby retail including the goal post corner and along Herschel toward San Juan. I think there could be some nice net positives for the area down the line.
Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on June 19, 2017, 11:41:15 AM
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on June 19, 2017, 11:23:13 AM
I still think this is a huge waste of retail potential.
The retail over there was hamstrung the last 5+ years because they would only sign 1 or 2 year leases with no extensions and, to their credit, were informing prospective tenants the place would likely be demolished. As a result they wound up with a deserted center. But if done right retail there would be a huge asset.
But, hopefully this drives any retail over to the strip on Herschel between St. Johns and San Juan, which has sooooooooo much potential being squandered.
Yeah, you're right. I always thought that strip in Fairfax has the potential to be like the one in Avondale, maybe even better because it has a lot more parking. Not sure why it has never taken off.
QuoteThe building permit has been issued to completely renovate the Commander apartments on St. Johns Avenue on the river in Avondale. The totals: $10.1 million for the 16 stories that will include 88 units. That's in addition to the $1.6 million permit to build 140 new units on the property, which was issued earlier.
http://jacksonville.com/business/business-notebook/real-estate/2017-07-01/sunday-notebook-groundbreaking-commander
http://www.pegasusresidential.com/river-vue-jacksonville-fl
They went with "RiverVUE"...
Quote from: Live_Oak on July 12, 2017, 05:21:26 PM
http://www.pegasusresidential.com/river-vue-jacksonville-fl
They went with "RiverVUE"...
An ugly, forgettable name to match the architecture.
That web site seems rather incomplete or poorly coded.....possibly both.
Quote from: Jim on July 13, 2017, 09:04:58 AM
That web site seems rather incomplete or poorly coded.....possibly both.
Yea, not overwhelming. The other thing I noticed is they used large panoramic pics in spots, but have low res images. It's basically the equivalent of stretching a pic in Windows and watching it pixelate.
Regarding the development: I'd contend the finished product will be better than what was there....but not by much. There was a great opportunity to make that very pedestrian friendly and it appears that was missed.
Anyone have insight into how the builder got permission to set the parking garage so close to the street? In the latest PUD I saw (9/16/16), the garage was supposed to be set back 30 feet from the property line and was to be partially screened by two townhouses to be built front of the garage. That definitely didn't happen.
I was thinking the same thing. Someone has to approve it.
(http://jacksonville.com/sites/default/files/styles/slideshow__640x360/public/field/image/3034511_web1_st.-johns-village.jpg?itok=ivkCrQaQ)
I guess it is possible that they needed to build the garage first. Driving on Herschel, the garage really sticks out.
I can't imagine there's enough frontage between the garage and the street to build any townhomes. They'd have to be mighty narrow (like, hallway width).
Quote from: grimss on January 28, 2018, 08:10:57 PM
I can't imagine there's enough frontage between the garage and the street to build any townhomes. They'd have to be mighty narrow (like, hallway width).
I don't know exactly how big the frontage is supposed to be, or how close the garage appears to be to the street, but the rendering makes it look like the houses would have gone so close to the sidewalk that there would be no grass in some places because of the house being directly against it.
I drove by today and there isn't enough frontage to build a townhome in front of that garage. I was hoping for a design closer to the townhomes/parking garage at Hyde Park Village in Tampa.
I don't know but in a pedestrian area I'm glad there is not a big set back.
I walked by, and stuck my head inside the fence to get a good look in front of the garage, and there is enough room to put the small town homes in the renderings on that site. If you look at the renderings the town homes are almost on the street, so I think I will wait to pass judgement, because I thought the developer was trying to get away with not building them in front of the garage.
I live a couple of blocks from there and just peeked my head in 30 minutes ago. There's a good 20 feet or more between the garage and the side walk and if you look at the renderings on their website, not only does it show town homes on multiple views of the renderings, it also shows them as being pretty thin, which would certainly fit in that space.
www.pegasusresidential.com/river-vue-jacksonville-fl/gallery
It looks like they are putting in plumbing for the townhouses that will be between the garage and the street.
The construction documents online on the SJRWMD's website show narrow townhomes between the garage and street.
Well, I'll be... the absolute madmen! They're doing it!
Quote from: thelakelander on February 26, 2018, 02:45:53 PM
The construction documents online on the SJRWMD's website show narrow townhomes between the garage and street.
Some kind of Urban Nirvana....open door and centerline of the street is Right There. Sit on the tiny porch,wineglass in hand and watch traffic watch you.
Somehow this particular viewscape was missed during past euphoric community acceptance and applause for the project while viewing "elevation" drawings.
Quote from: Florida Power And Light on February 11, 2019, 09:36:10 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on February 26, 2018, 02:45:53 PM
The construction documents online on the SJRWMD's website show narrow townhomes between the garage and street.
Some kind of Urban Nirvana....open door and centerline of the street is Right There. Sit on the tiny porch,wineglass in hand and watch traffic watch you.
Somehow this particular viewscape was missed during past euphoric community acceptance and applause for the project while viewing "elevation" drawings.
Sounds like something you'd see in ... North Miami?
Quote from: acme54321 on February 11, 2019, 11:01:15 PM
Quote from: Florida Power And Light on February 11, 2019, 09:36:10 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on February 26, 2018, 02:45:53 PM
The construction documents online on the SJRWMD's website show narrow townhomes between the garage and street.
Some kind of Urban Nirvana....open door and centerline of the street is Right There. Sit on the tiny porch,wineglass in hand and watch traffic watch you.
Somehow this particular viewscape was missed during past euphoric community acceptance and applause for the project while viewing "elevation" drawings.
Sounds like something you'd see in ... North Miami?
St. John's Village really seems to Know Growth
Quote from: Captain Zissou on February 12, 2019, 09:13:41 AM
Quote from: acme54321 on February 11, 2019, 11:01:15 PM
Quote from: Florida Power And Light on February 11, 2019, 09:36:10 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on February 26, 2018, 02:45:53 PM
The construction documents online on the SJRWMD's website show narrow townhomes between the garage and street.
Some kind of Urban Nirvana....open door and centerline of the street is Right There. Sit on the tiny porch,wineglass in hand and watch traffic watch you.
Somehow this particular viewscape was missed during past euphoric community acceptance and applause for the project while viewing "elevation" drawings.
Sounds like something you'd see in ... North Miami?
St. John's Village really seems to Know Growth
;D
On a positive note;
Earlier Applicant Proposal included a public walkway along the creek bank/Herschel to St Johns...that quickly disappeared....as did the earlier "Marina" concept.
Excellent,this section at the mouth of Fishweir more a boating destination than a boat dock......area residents to access this open water.
Final Plans note "Conservation Easement" along creek boundary. The Easement was Efficacious. That was easy!! 8)
Interesting how these discussions here go to Blank....