Is More Retail Coming to Brooklyn?
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Moderncities.com highlights a plan underway to replace a portion of Riverside Avenue with more retail in Brooklyn.
Read More: http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2016-aug-is-more-retail-coming-to-brooklyn
Returning that loop-de-loop to active use on the tax rolls would be good. I'm a bit concerned about where the swapped land will be. It's going to be surface parking, so if it's along Riverside Avenue, it won't be much if any better than dead space surrounded by the "jughandle". Hopefully, it's in back of the property.
Also, the positioning of the jughandle parcel would make it a perfect spot for a good urban design. The involvement of DIA is a positive sign, but judging by how things are going in Brooklyn, we need to insist on getting the design we want and deserve.
I drove by that development recently when I was in town and was not too impressed. Yes, I am happy to see development near Riverside, but it just looked like a massive parking lot to me. And the building have no character whatsoever. You would be forgiven for thinking you were on the Southside.
Well if it is CVS that doubles our chances of getting a Walgreens downtown because where one goes so does the other.
What would this do to the planned expansion of the Skyway around here?
Nothing.
Quote from: thelakelander on August 01, 2016, 03:54:18 PM
Nothing.
Its amazing how so little a sliver of land can act as Jacksonville's own great wall .... maybe we can start a gofundme account for JTA where people contribute in return for monthly passes on the new people mover .. or we can start a gofundme account for season ticket holders who want a game day pass to ride the people mover to the stadium district .... never mind ... pension
Saw an article on Biz Journal that a French Bistro will be opening at the Everbank Plaza building.
Brooklyn Station is expanding.
https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/retail-and-dining-project-planned-next-to-brooklyn-station-on-riverside
Quote from: JaxAvondale on January 12, 2018, 08:49:32 PM
Brooklyn Station is expanding.
https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/retail-and-dining-project-planned-next-to-brooklyn-station-on-riverside
Design looks awful. Why must May Street close permanently?
That's a side elevation. It's the exact same as the building housing Burrito Gallery. Building close to street with parking in the rear. I'm pleasantly surprised. I had a feeling it end up being a big parking lot between the building and the road.
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Quote from: thelakelander on January 13, 2018, 08:24:59 AM
That's a side elevation. It's the exact same as the building housing Burrito Gallery. Building close to street with parking in the rear. I'm pleasantly surprised. I had a feeling it end up being a big parking lot between the building and the road.
Interesting. As for all the parking, are city requirements driving that, or the potential tenants? I understand Jax is very car-reliant, but hopefully some day, a critical mass of structures throughout the urban core can exist, and more of a walking culture developers where parking lots and parking garages don't have to be so predominant throughout.
I'm not a real estate developer by any stretch, but what is the likeliest hurdle stopping a project like this from being 4 or 5 stories, with these retail uses on the ground floor and maybe 8 or 10 apartments on the floors above? Is it the expertise of the developer, design and construction complexity, zoning approvals from the city, parking requirements of the city?
Quote from: jaxnyc79 on January 13, 2018, 11:40:21 AMInteresting. As for all the parking, are city requirements driving that, or the potential tenants? I understand Jax is very car-reliant, but hopefully some day, a critical mass of structures throughout the urban core can exist, and more of a walking culture developers where parking lots and parking garages don't have to be so predominant throughout.
The developer is actually asking for a deviation to reduce the amount of parking required by the city.
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Quote from: thelakelander on January 13, 2018, 12:29:23 PM
Quote from: jaxnyc79 on January 13, 2018, 11:40:21 AMInteresting. As for all the parking, are city requirements driving that, or the potential tenants? I understand Jax is very car-reliant, but hopefully some day, a critical mass of structures throughout the urban core can exist, and more of a walking culture developers where parking lots and parking garages don't have to be so predominant throughout.
The developer is actually asking for a deviation to reduce the amount of parking required by the city.
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Should the developer even have to go through the pain of asking for this exception? It's a downtown project. Should there even be a parking requirement? The developer and potential tenants know their needs and can secure what they believe will be the parking for the building's uses. Requiring one parking lot size or another for a downtown project feels very suburban.
Quote from: jaxnyc79 on January 13, 2018, 11:45:18 AM
I'm not a real estate developer by any stretch, but what is the likeliest hurdle stopping a project like this from being 4 or 5 stories, with these retail uses on the ground floor and maybe 8 or 10 apartments on the floors above? Is it the expertise of the developer, design and construction complexity, zoning approvals from the city, parking requirements of the city?
In this case, the developer believes the highest & best use of the property and what they do, is to create a strip center. A previous developer looked at putting a suburban CVS on this lot. CVS wasn't sold on the location and backed out.
Quote from: jaxnyc79 on January 13, 2018, 11:45:18 AM
I'm not a real estate developer by any stretch, but what is the likeliest hurdle stopping a project like this from being 4 or 5 stories, with these retail uses on the ground floor and maybe 8 or 10 apartments on the floors above? Is it the expertise of the developer, design and construction complexity, zoning approvals from the city, parking requirements of the city?
From my understanding (I am not a developer either) yes, that's exactly it. It's a little more complex...the financing, the property management, and the design/construction aspects are all a little bit more involved. Buy no means does that make it impossible, just a little bit less desirable of an option especially for those who specialize and have their tried-and-true formulas (ala blockbuster movies)
Of course there are companies that specialize in mixed use now so there's that. And the other big question is of course whether going vertical is financially supported by the market.
I think if a particular area has the potential to get to that type of critical mass it is Riverside in Brooklyn. Much like Peachtree Street in ATL, when it reaches a critical level of density, then the multi story mixed use will come. The south side of the street would be perfect for this mix, with mid or high rise building behind it. Small steps at a time to create more density.