Target is opening their first urban Target Express store in the south in North Florida......
However, the city isn't Jacksonville. It's Gainesville! Here's a look at what's proposed:
(http://photos.moderncities.com/News/The-Standard-Gainesville/i-SHHDkFh/0/L/AR-160719878-L.jpg)
http://www.moderncities.com/article/2016-jul-the-souths-1st-target-express-to-open-in-gainesville
Is Virginia no longer the South?
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Arlington, VA.
Not Arlington
Sure, just as much as Baltimore is. Rosslyn was mentioned in the story. I don't recall off hand whether it was a City Target or Target Express though. Perhaps we should say first in the Southeast or Deep South!
Gainesville is killing it.
Quote from: fsquid on July 15, 2016, 10:57:52 AM
Not Arlington
Pretty much. Roam around N VA/DC/S MA area & tell me how southern it is.
I'll do that as I travel down Jefferson Davis Highway on my way to Robert E Lee's house.
Quote from: finehoe on July 15, 2016, 05:44:38 PM
I'll do that as I travel down Jefferson Davis Highway on my way to Robert E Lee's house.
Oooo, droppin' them southern names! Still doesn't change the fact that DC/N VA these days is considered the beginning of the northeastern corridor of the largest urban areas in the entire country. Why not just call Baltimore & Philly southern while you're at it, because DC sure has more in common with them than it does with any city in the south. Might as well include 'em using your logic.
Quote from: peestandingup on July 15, 2016, 06:52:00 PM
Quote from: finehoe on July 15, 2016, 05:44:38 PM
I'll do that as I travel down Jefferson Davis Highway on my way to Robert E Lee's house.
Oooo, droppin' them southern names! Still doesn't change the fact that DC/N VA these days is considered the beginning of the northeastern corridor of the largest urban areas in the entire country. Why not just call Baltimore & Philly southern while you're at it, because DC sure has more in common with them than it does with any city in the south. Might as well include 'em using your logic.
I wouldn't lecture anyone on using logic if I were you, considering you're apparently arguing that the "South" in the title is referring to culture rather than geography. Virginia is still below the Mason-Dixon line, regardless of its current cultural and social make-up.
Quote from: finehoe on July 15, 2016, 08:05:34 PM
Quote from: peestandingup on July 15, 2016, 06:52:00 PM
Quote from: finehoe on July 15, 2016, 05:44:38 PM
I'll do that as I travel down Jefferson Davis Highway on my way to Robert E Lee's house.
Oooo, droppin' them southern names! Still doesn't change the fact that DC/N VA these days is considered the beginning of the northeastern corridor of the largest urban areas in the entire country. Why not just call Baltimore & Philly southern while you're at it, because DC sure has more in common with them than it does with any city in the south. Might as well include 'em using your logic.
I wouldn't lecture anyone on using logic if I were you, considering you're apparently arguing that the "South" in the title is referring to culture rather than geography. Virginia is still below the Mason-Dixon line, regardless of its current cultural and social make-up.
Not to mention that it is considered to be in the south by the US Census Bureau.
Quote from: finehoe on July 15, 2016, 08:05:34 PM
Quote from: peestandingup on July 15, 2016, 06:52:00 PM
Quote from: finehoe on July 15, 2016, 05:44:38 PM
I'll do that as I travel down Jefferson Davis Highway on my way to Robert E Lee's house.
Oooo, droppin' them southern names! Still doesn't change the fact that DC/N VA these days is considered the beginning of the northeastern corridor of the largest urban areas in the entire country. Why not just call Baltimore & Philly southern while you're at it, because DC sure has more in common with them than it does with any city in the south. Might as well include 'em using your logic.
I wouldn't lecture anyone on using logic if I were you, considering you're apparently arguing that the "South" in the title is referring to culture rather than geography. Virginia is still below the Mason-Dixon line, regardless of its current cultural and social make-up.
Culture, social makeup, infrastructure, building & home styles, most people traveling to/from the northeast cities & nowhere else, tons of upper northeast transplants, train routes (which start in DC & end in upper northeast), rude self-centered people who aren't polite (no one says hello anywhere), underground rail system, Baltimore & Philly being RIGHT next door, the food, etc. Yeah, it just screams southern. And do you even understand the difference between Virginia and NORTHERN Virginia?? Doesn't sound like it since you wanna lump the entire state into "mah Mason Dixon".
I guess all those years of living there lied to me then & I should pay more attention to make believe geographical lines next time I'm there. Oh, and random know-nothing people on the internet with zero real world experience in such things.
Quote from: Adam White on July 15, 2016, 08:18:37 PM
Not to mention that it is considered to be in the south by the US Census Bureau.
Its an "Adam blindly agrees with finehoe" episode. Shocker.
Quote from: peestandingup on July 15, 2016, 06:52:00 PM
Quote from: finehoe on July 15, 2016, 05:44:38 PM
I'll do that as I travel down Jefferson Davis Highway on my way to Robert E Lee's house.
Oooo, droppin' them southern names! Still doesn't change the fact that DC/N VA these days is considered the beginning of the northeastern corridor of the largest urban areas in the entire country. Why not just call Baltimore & Philly southern while you're at it, because DC sure has more in common with them than it does with any city in the south. Might as well include 'em using your logic.
sorry but no...DC has more in common with a city like Atlanta than it does with Baltimore and Philly...now don't get me wrong, I'm from Maryland and get accused of being a northerner all the time....but "the south" is quite diverse....northern Virginia is part of it.
Lake, please change the name of this thread to
"Area Where They Eat Grits and Say Ya'll's 1st Target Express to open in Gainesville"
LOL. I've read some pretty moronic postings on MJ over the years, but this thread takes the cake!
Quote from: peestandingup on July 16, 2016, 01:57:51 PM
Quote from: finehoe on July 15, 2016, 08:05:34 PM
Quote from: peestandingup on July 15, 2016, 06:52:00 PM
Quote from: finehoe on July 15, 2016, 05:44:38 PM
I'll do that as I travel down Jefferson Davis Highway on my way to Robert E Lee's house.
Oooo, droppin' them southern names! Still doesn't change the fact that DC/N VA these days is considered the beginning of the northeastern corridor of the largest urban areas in the entire country. Why not just call Baltimore & Philly southern while you're at it, because DC sure has more in common with them than it does with any city in the south. Might as well include 'em using your logic.
I wouldn't lecture anyone on using logic if I were you, considering you're apparently arguing that the "South" in the title is referring to culture rather than geography. Virginia is still below the Mason-Dixon line, regardless of its current cultural and social make-up.
Culture, social makeup, infrastructure, building & home styles, most people traveling to/from the northeast cities & nowhere else, tons of upper northeast transplants, train routes (which start in DC & end in upper northeast), rude self-centered people who aren't polite (no one says hello anywhere), underground rail system, Baltimore & Philly being RIGHT next door, the food, etc. Yeah, it just screams southern. And do you even understand the difference between Virginia and NORTHERN Virginia?? Doesn't sound like it since you wanna lump the entire state into "mah Mason Dixon".
I guess all those years of living there lied to me then & I should pay more attention to make believe geographical lines next time I'm there. Oh, and random know-nothing people on the internet with zero real world experience in such things.
Quote from: Adam White on July 15, 2016, 08:18:37 PM
Not to mention that it is considered to be in the south by the US Census Bureau.
Its an "Adam blindly agrees with finehoe" episode. Shocker.
Sounds more like the US Census Bureau is "blindly" agreeing with Finehoe. Me mentioning a fact is not an example of me "blindly" doing anything.
I used to live in Dale City, by the way. And while I don't think of Northern Virginia in the same way I think of, say, Georgia, I certainly always considered it part of the South. As tufsu1 said, the South is multifaceted.
Quote from: peestandingup on July 15, 2016, 06:52:00 PM
Still doesn't change the fact that DC/N VA these days is considered the beginning of the northeastern corridor of the largest urban areas in the entire country. Why not just call Baltimore & Philly southern while you're at it, because DC sure has more in common with them than it does with any city in the south. Might as well include 'em using your logic.
Well, using your logic, New York is part of New England. Hell - Northern Virginia is part of New England.
This conversation has gone way off base. :-\
Quote from: FlaBoy on July 15, 2016, 03:14:57 PM
Gainesville is killing it.
True that. The density between campus and downtown has really escalated in the past couple years. This particular development was a long time coming and will be a real asset to the campus. The scale is larger than any project in urban Jax (that has actually broken ground) in a while. it doesn't look like the Aloft hotel will be open before the end of football season, but I cant wait to stay there and grab some bento before a game.
It's depressing that Gainesville, a small college city whose downtown was effectively dead just a decade ago, has seen more progress and development than Jacksonville.
It's simple. Gainesville has been more progressive in encouraging an urban environment. I'm sure having UF there helps pull political leadership in a direction that Jax has been slow to embrace. Heck, I remember as far back as the mid-1990s, Gainesville being pretty progressive in installing bike infrastructure on its streets. Two decades later, we're finally starting to put money behind the idea of road diets, getting rid of one-way streets and making streets better for pedestrians and cyclist. In another 10 years, maybe we can see something the scale of the Standard take place in urban Jax....
Quote from: thelakelander on July 18, 2016, 12:51:44 PM
It's simple. Gainesville has been more progressive in encouraging an urban environment. I'm sure having UF there helps pull political leadership in a direction that Jax has been slow to embrace. Heck, I remember as far back as the mid-1990s, Gainesville being pretty progressive in installing bike infrastructure on its streets. Two decades later, we're finally starting to put money behind the idea of road diets, getting rid of one-way streets and making streets better for pedestrians and cyclist. In another 10 years, maybe we can see something the scale of the Standard take place in urban Jax....
*sigh* maybe....just maybe. Probably not :-\
Quote from: thelakelander on July 18, 2016, 12:51:44 PM
It's simple. Gainesville has been more progressive in encouraging an urban environment. I'm sure having UF there helps pull political leadership in a direction that Jax has been slow to embrace. Heck, I remember as far back as the mid-1990s, Gainesville being pretty progressive in installing bike infrastructure on its streets. Two decades later, we're finally starting to put money behind the idea of road diets, getting rid of one-way streets and making streets better for pedestrians and cyclist. In another 10 years, maybe we can see something the scale of the Standard take place in urban Jax....
This is the largest but not the only large apartment projects with mixed use rising in Gainesville. An urban Publix is going in across the street with more apartments around it on the street. Down University and 2nd there are apartments rising left and right. It is crazy.
http://www.gainesville.com/news/20160127/publix-gets-ok-to-build-its-small-near-campus-grocery
Quote"This is a tremendous redevelopment project," he said. "This will put groceries, dining, staple goods within walking distance of thousands of people that today have to drive either up 13th Street to a grocer, over to South Main to Winn-Dixie, to North Main north of the Duck Pond, or out to 34th Street to buy their groceries. This is going to be an urban, walkable grocery store at what I consider ground zero of real estate in Gainesville."
Construction of The Standard across the street has begun and is expected to have 1,100 bedrooms for people who can walk across the street and won't have to get in their cars.
Quote from: finehoe on July 16, 2016, 06:58:06 PM
Lake, please change the name of this thread to
"Area Where They Eat Grits and Say Ya'll's 1st Target Express to open in Gainesville"
LOL. I've read some pretty moronic postings on MJ over the years, but this thread takes the cake!
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