QuoteMayor Lenny Curry asked his staff to investigate controversial pastor Kenneth Adkins' contention that Jacksonville Human Rights Commission member John M. Phillips should be removed from the panel that oversees enforcement of the city's anti-discrimination law.
Phillips, a civil-rights attorney, posted tweets last month urging some businesses and individuals to disassociate themselves from Adkins' public relations business.
"We encourage you to not support hate," Phillips wrote to entities whose names appeared on the website for Adkins' firm.
Phillips highlighted a June 14 tweet by Adkins — posted after a June 12 mass shooting at a gay nightclub in Orlando — that said homosexuals got "what they deserved."
Adkins then wrote an email to Curry that claimed Phillips, whom Curry appointed to the commission, was "trying to shut down a Black-owned business." He said Phillips "has shown he cannot be a fair person and serve on the city's Human Rights Commission."
Curry replied Friday to Adkins by saying he directed Jessica Laird, who oversees board appointments, and Jacksonville Human Rights Commission Executive Director Charlene Taylor Hill to investigate the contentions raised by Adkins about Phillips.
Phillips followed up Monday with an email to Curry saying he would not resign from the commission.
"I don't care about his (Adkins') business or shutting it down," Phillips wrote.
Phillips said he has never cited his membership on the Human Rights Commission while expressing his opinions outside the confines of the commission's meetings. He said Adkins is trying to stop him from expressing his personal opinions.
"I don't speak with anger or hate or ridicule and certainly don't speak with racism," Phillips said in his email to Curry. "I do call out injustice wherever it exists. I don't plan on stopping. I won't be bullied or falsely tattled into complacency."
Adkins helped spearhead opposition to expanding the city's human rights ordinance to cover lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people.
He has said his tweet about homosexuals "getting what they deserved" was not about the 49 people slain in the Orlando nightclub. He said it was a reference to people in the Jacksonville community who attacked him because he opposed expanding the human rights ordinance.
Curry condemned Adkins' tweet last month, saying it was appalling.
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2016-07-12/story/curry-asks-staff-investigate-contentions-againt-human-rights-commission
(http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2016-07-12/story/curry-asks-staff-investigate-contentions-againt-human-rights-commission)
Sad, Sad, Sad... that is all
Ironic, this idiot pulls the race card because he feels like he's being discriminated but he thinks it's OK to discriminate the LGBT community. What a dumb ass.
Might want to update the title? The very honorable John Philips has been vindicated by the Mayor.
"A review by Mayor Lenny Curry's staff has determined that Human Rights Commission member John M. Phillips' comments on social media about controversial pastor Kenneth Adkins would not prevent Phillips from acting in a fair manner in his role on the commission, which oversees enforcement of the city's anti-discrimination law, the mayor's office said Tuesday." http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2016-07-12/story/mayors-review-human-rights-commission-member-finds-he-can-act-fairly
Bigots get all cranky when someone pushes back against their nonsense.
Quote from: Jimmy on July 12, 2016, 11:23:55 PM
Might want to update the title? The very honorable John Philips has been vindicated by the Mayor.
"A review by Mayor Lenny Curry's staff has determined that Human Rights Commission member John M. Phillips' comments on social media about controversial pastor Kenneth Adkins would not prevent Phillips from acting in a fair manner in his role on the commission, which oversees enforcement of the city's anti-discrimination law, the mayor's office said Tuesday." http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2016-07-12/story/mayors-review-human-rights-commission-member-finds-he-can-act-fairly
Jimmy,
Didn't you and some groups that you're associated with endorse Curry?
What is your personal opinion of John Phillips?
What's your current take with regard to Curry's handling of LGBT issues thus far? And if you had a go-back machine, would you use it?
Quote from: stephendare on July 13, 2016, 11:58:42 AM
He will get back to you when he's done with Mr. Curry's shoes, NRW
Unnecessary comment.
Granted I'm pretty sure I already know the answers to 1 & 4, but I'm truly curious to his response on 2 & 3.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on July 13, 2016, 11:27:47 AM
Quote from: Jimmy on July 12, 2016, 11:23:55 PM
Might want to update the title? The very honorable John Philips has been vindicated by the Mayor.
"A review by Mayor Lenny Curry's staff has determined that Human Rights Commission member John M. Phillips' comments on social media about controversial pastor Kenneth Adkins would not prevent Phillips from acting in a fair manner in his role on the commission, which oversees enforcement of the city's anti-discrimination law, the mayor's office said Tuesday." http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2016-07-12/story/mayors-review-human-rights-commission-member-finds-he-can-act-fairly
Jimmy,
Didn't you and some groups that you're associated with endorse Curry?
What is your personal opinion of John Phillips?
What's your current take with regard to Curry's handling of LGBT issues thus far? And if you had a go-back machine, would you use it?
Thank you for giving me an excuse to talk about Alvin Brown torpedoing the 2012 HRO behind the scenes. It's been a while.
Brown upset a lot of people and organizations by his pisspoor leadership on LGBT issues throughout his term, despite it being a major Democratic platform issue, and despite the fact that he had courted their support before being elected. He got people downright angry when he got to Council Member Johnny Gaffney through backdoor channels and convinced him to flip his vote on the second version of the bill, which killed it.
Needless to say, it made a lot of LGBT people and allies... reluctant to vote for him. That said, I doubt there were any organized LGBT groups that endorsed Curry (other than relatively small LGBT Republican groups). Brown had that coveted "D" by his name on the ballot, after all. Some groups like the LGBT PAC endorsed Bill Bishop in the primary. In the runoff, Curry did get some measure of support from individuals in the community and allies as he is less toxic on this issue than Brown, while a number of others, such as myself, supported him for reasons other than his position on LGBT issues.
Not to throw Jimmy under the bus too much, but if his posts here are any indication, he supported Brown in the runoff. He even started (http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,24278.msg411745.html#msg411745) claiming (http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,24278.msg411819.html#msg411819) on these forums that Brown might not, in fact, have thwarted the 2012 HRO, despite the fact that he did and Jimmy had acknowledged as much before.
Before Stephen gets into more "boot licking" commentary, he did the same thing (http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php?action=post;quote=425561;topic=24278.15;last_msg=425567).
Quote from: stephendare on July 13, 2016, 01:40:41 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on July 13, 2016, 12:30:29 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on July 13, 2016, 11:27:47 AM
Quote from: Jimmy on July 12, 2016, 11:23:55 PM
Might want to update the title? The very honorable John Philips has been vindicated by the Mayor.
"A review by Mayor Lenny Curry's staff has determined that Human Rights Commission member John M. Phillips' comments on social media about controversial pastor Kenneth Adkins would not prevent Phillips from acting in a fair manner in his role on the commission, which oversees enforcement of the city's anti-discrimination law, the mayor's office said Tuesday." http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2016-07-12/story/mayors-review-human-rights-commission-member-finds-he-can-act-fairly
Jimmy,
Didn't you and some groups that you're associated with endorse Curry?
What is your personal opinion of John Phillips?
What's your current take with regard to Curry's handling of LGBT issues thus far? And if you had a go-back machine, would you use it?
Thank you for giving me an excuse to talk about Alvin Brown torpedoing the 2012 HRO behind the scenes. It's been a while.
Brown upset a lot of people and organizations by his pisspoor leadership on LGBT issues throughout his term, despite it being a major Democratic platform issue, and despite the fact that he had courted their support before being elected. He got people downright angry when he got to Council Member Johnny Gaffney through backdoor channels and convinced him to flip his vote on the second version of the bill, which killed it.
Needless to say, it made a lot of LGBT people and allies... reluctant to vote for him. That said, I doubt there were any organized LGBT groups that endorsed Curry (other than relatively small LGBT Republican groups). Brown had that coveted "D" by his name on the ballot, after all. Some groups like the LGBT PAC endorsed Bill Bishop in the primary. In the runoff, Curry did get some measure of support from individuals in the community and allies as he is less toxic on this issue than Brown, while a number of others, such as myself, supported him for reasons other than his position on LGBT issues.
Not to throw Jimmy under the bus too much, but if his posts here are any indication, he supported Brown in the runoff. He even started (http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,24278.msg411745.html#msg411745) claiming (http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,24278.msg411819.html#msg411819) on these forums that Brown might not, in fact, have thwarted the 2012 HRO, despite the fact that he did and Jimmy had acknowledged as much before.
Before Stephen gets into more "boot licking" commentary, he did the same thing (http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php?action=post;quote=425561;topic=24278.15;last_msg=425567).
Tacachale, Curry is not 'less toxic' than Brown was.
I know thats an article of faith amongst his supporters, and the people shining his shoes (not licking his boots, btw, gross) Your best evidence that he torpedoed the HRO----which what the hell? The Council was left to their own devices and took a vote---- is from the three times changed testimony of Johnny Gaffney, one of the least consistent story tellers Ive ever seen on Council. And that includes a lot of prevaricators, great and small.
Curry announced that the debate was over, and didn't even want the bill discussed. He directly asked members of council to withdraw the bill without a vote on it.
And somehow you think that is less toxic?
I would still prefer Brown on the issue. Both men are and were flawed. One is just a mean species of Squamata.
Other Council Members and people working on the issue have said that Brown got to Gaffney. Warren Jones even said it publicly. Last year, Gaffney confirmed it. Based on what I've heard and read, I'll say with confidence that Brown is the one who got Gaffney to flip. Before that, Gaffney supported LGBT rights and even voted for the
stronger version of the bill. And Brown, of course, never denied it or even spoke about it.
As for Curry, I do like him, but I agree that his record on LGBT issues sucks. However, I believe that proportionately, he's better on LGBT issues than Brown. Though he ultimately copped out, he held the town halls, which met or exceeded what Brown was going to do with his "studying the discrimination issue" Hail Mary. Curry had a representative at the Orlando vigil and publicly spoke about the LGBT victims; I don't think Brown ever would have done that. Curry added LGBT protections to city hires and contracts; Brown didn't do that and wouldn't have.
Curry did advocate that the last bill be withdrawn for now, but we're dealing with something we weren't in 2012: out-of-town lobbyists and their "bathroom bill" nonsense. The threat that the HRO would have led to a referendum in August or November, which would have divided the city and quite possibly overturned the bill, is very real. Even the strongest advocates of the bill understand that if we want something that sticks, it needs to be after election season when the homophobes go back under their bridges. It sucks, but that's where we are, all because the 2012 bill didn't pass.
Quote from: stephendare on July 13, 2016, 02:46:17 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on July 13, 2016, 02:38:00 PM
Quote from: stephendare on July 13, 2016, 01:40:41 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on July 13, 2016, 12:30:29 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on July 13, 2016, 11:27:47 AM
Quote from: Jimmy on July 12, 2016, 11:23:55 PM
Might want to update the title? The very honorable John Philips has been vindicated by the Mayor.
"A review by Mayor Lenny Curry's staff has determined that Human Rights Commission member John M. Phillips' comments on social media about controversial pastor Kenneth Adkins would not prevent Phillips from acting in a fair manner in his role on the commission, which oversees enforcement of the city's anti-discrimination law, the mayor's office said Tuesday." http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2016-07-12/story/mayors-review-human-rights-commission-member-finds-he-can-act-fairly
Jimmy,
Didn't you and some groups that you're associated with endorse Curry?
What is your personal opinion of John Phillips?
What's your current take with regard to Curry's handling of LGBT issues thus far? And if you had a go-back machine, would you use it?
Thank you for giving me an excuse to talk about Alvin Brown torpedoing the 2012 HRO behind the scenes. It's been a while.
Brown upset a lot of people and organizations by his pisspoor leadership on LGBT issues throughout his term, despite it being a major Democratic platform issue, and despite the fact that he had courted their support before being elected. He got people downright angry when he got to Council Member Johnny Gaffney through backdoor channels and convinced him to flip his vote on the second version of the bill, which killed it.
Needless to say, it made a lot of LGBT people and allies... reluctant to vote for him. That said, I doubt there were any organized LGBT groups that endorsed Curry (other than relatively small LGBT Republican groups). Brown had that coveted "D" by his name on the ballot, after all. Some groups like the LGBT PAC endorsed Bill Bishop in the primary. In the runoff, Curry did get some measure of support from individuals in the community and allies as he is less toxic on this issue than Brown, while a number of others, such as myself, supported him for reasons other than his position on LGBT issues.
Not to throw Jimmy under the bus too much, but if his posts here are any indication, he supported Brown in the runoff. He even started (http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,24278.msg411745.html#msg411745) claiming (http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,24278.msg411819.html#msg411819) on these forums that Brown might not, in fact, have thwarted the 2012 HRO, despite the fact that he did and Jimmy had acknowledged as much before.
Before Stephen gets into more "boot licking" commentary, he did the same thing (http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php?action=post;quote=425561;topic=24278.15;last_msg=425567).
Tacachale, Curry is not 'less toxic' than Brown was.
I know thats an article of faith amongst his supporters, and the people shining his shoes (not licking his boots, btw, gross) Your best evidence that he torpedoed the HRO----which what the hell? The Council was left to their own devices and took a vote---- is from the three times changed testimony of Johnny Gaffney, one of the least consistent story tellers Ive ever seen on Council. And that includes a lot of prevaricators, great and small.
Curry announced that the debate was over, and didn't even want the bill discussed. He directly asked members of council to withdraw the bill without a vote on it.
And somehow you think that is less toxic?
I would still prefer Brown on the issue. Both men are and were flawed. One is just a mean species of Squamata.
Other Council Members and people working on the issue have said that Brown got to Gaffney. Warren Jones even said it publicly. Last year, Gaffney confirmed it. Based on what I've heard and read, I'll say with confidence that Brown is the one who got Gaffney to flip. Before that, Gaffney supported LGBT rights and even voted for the stronger version of the bill. And Brown, of course, never denied it or even spoke about it.
As for Curry, I do like him, but I agree that his record on LGBT issues sucks. However, I believe that proportionately, he's better on LGBT issues than Brown. Though he ultimately copped out, he held the town halls, which met or exceeded what Brown was going to do with his "studying the discrimination issue" Hail Mary. Curry had a representative at the Orlando vigil and publicly spoke about the LGBT victims; I don't think Brown ever would have done that. Curry added LGBT protections to city hires and contracts; Brown didn't do that and wouldn't have.
Curry did advocate that the last bill be withdrawn for now, but we're dealing with something we weren't in 2012: out-of-town lobbyists and their "bathroom bill" nonsense. The threat that the HRO would have led to a referendum in August or November, which would have divided the city and quite possibly overturned the bill, is very real. Even the strongest advocates of the bill understand that if we want something that sticks, it needs to be after election season when the homophobes go back under their bridges. It sucks, but that's where we are, all because the 2012 bill didn't pass.
He literally invited those out of town lobbyists to serve on his HRO panels, Tacachale. On the whole way more toxic and insulting. What next? Klan Leaders on the Human Rights Commission? A few cannibals overseeing indigent care?
Im not sure why you don't see that its viscerally offensive that this clown brought these people in from out of town to be part of panels that he himself created because he apparently wasn't listening the first time.
It was an issue throughout the election in several of the races for council, and he decided to ignore the voter mandate on it.
Only to have the Supreme Court make marriage universal throughout the states a few weeks later.
He did not "invite" those speakers. He allowed both sides of the issue to bring panelists, and the best the anti-side could do were anti-gay activists from out of town. However, it does reflect poorly on him for allowing people like Adkins to speak, and I imagine he regrets it.