Clearly this writer is very much unfamiliar with college football in the south. The last sentence deserves the full bonehead award.
Per Fox Sports.com:
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/citrus-bowl-nfl-games-dallas-cowboys-new-york-jets-tampa-bay-buccaneers-041216 (http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/citrus-bowl-nfl-games-dallas-cowboys-new-york-jets-tampa-bay-buccaneers-041216)
Orlando is laying the groundwork to host NFL games by 2017
NFL games could be coming to Orlando, Florida. In fact, one Florida sports executive "guarantees" it.
Steve Hogan, the CEO of Florida Citrus Sports, told the Orlando Sentinel Tuesday that he's confident the city will host NFL games in the very near future.
"I promise you, I guarantee you, we will have NFL football in this stadium in 2017 -- one way or another," Hogan told the Sentinel. "I'm not just talking about preseason games. Regular-season games are also in play."
The topic was discussed after nearly 50,000 fans flocked to the Citrus Bowl last weekend to watch Florida State's spring game. With so many people interested in watching a college intrasquad scrimmage, you would think the enthusiasm over an NFL game would be through the roof.
The Citrus Bowl has hosted numerous marquee sporting events, including the Olympics, FIFA World Cup and WrestleMania, in addition to major college football games, MLS matches and state high school tournaments. However, it doesn't have an NFL team to call its own.
The historic site was a regular venue for NFL preseason games back in the 1990s, hosting teams like the New York Jets, Dallas Cowboys, Miami Dolphins, Houston Oilers and Tampa Bay Buccaneers, among others. But as the stadium grew older and its amenities became outdated, most teams had built new state-of-the-art facilities and were no longer interested in traveling to Orlando to play in the vintage venue.
But now, after the stadium recently underwent a dramatic renovation, there might be more appeal for NFL teams to play there. The Citrus Bowl got a $210 million face lift less than two years ago, including new video screens, a 10,000 square-foot party deck, an additional 6,000 club seats and an increased capacity of more than 65,000.
So if Florida State can attract more than 50,000 fans for a glorified practice, the NFL could almost certainly do better -- even for a meaningless preseason game.
With any luck the Jags will move there full-time. Then JAX could get an NBA team. Also, it isn't just Orlando trying to land regular season games. We already know first hand about London and Dallas will soon be playing games in Mexico City, but San Antonio is trying land the Raiders, and they might just get them considering the Raiders recently bought land for a stadium there.
Now as for the final comment, I agree that college attendance has almost nothing to do with pro attendance.
Clearly he's reaching. A regular season NFL game in a city with no expansion potential and little else to offer? I could have seen the Jags doing that a few years ago, but not with the London game. Maybe some team will do a preseason game there.
Quote from: Kerry on April 13, 2016, 09:57:33 AM
With any luck the Jags will move there full-time. Then JAX could get an NBA team.
What? Why? We already have:
1) A football team this city supports with high attendance
2) A basketball team that gets very little attendance
Also, the NBA gets the lowest attendance in America, behind MLB, soccer and NHL!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_professional_sports_leagues_in_the_United_States_and_Canada#Attendance
Well, I don't want to derail this thread into a Jags discussion and seeing by your avatar you are a Jags fan so not sure a discussion on the topic would even get us anywhere so I'll just say that the Jags take an enormous amount of money out of the City that I think could be put to better use and benefit more people.
On edit - from your attendance figures.
NFL - 8 home games X 67,604 = 540,832
NBA - 41 home games X 17,826 = 730,866
Quote from: Kerry on April 13, 2016, 10:12:26 AM
Well, I don't want to derail this thread into a Jags discussion and seeing by your avatar you are a Jags fan so not sure a discussion on the topic would even get us anywhere so I'll just say that the Jags take an enormous amount of money out of the City that I think could be put to better use and benefit more people.
LOL, like an NBA team?
I am not saying the NBA is free, but it doesn't cost near as much to support an NBA team as it does an NFL team - which is why the NBA is so successful in small-market cities.
Anyhow - enough side discussion for me. I'll give someone else the final word on the Jags vs. NBA topic.
Quote from: Kerry on April 13, 2016, 10:27:52 AM
I am not saying the NBA is free, but it doesn't cost near as much to support an NBA team as it does an NFL team - which is why the NBA is so successful in small-market cities.
Respectfully, that's not really the case. As far as the cities' expenses, NBA facilities are usually (but not always) cheaper than NFL stadiums, but they don't generate any more economic impact (http://www.citylab.com/work/2012/08/do-basketball-arenas-spur-economic-development/2804/), either. As far as individuals' expenses, the total personal income (http://www.bizjournals.com/bizjournals/news/2015/04/09/sportmethod.html) needed to sustain an NBA team ($45 billion) is comparable to the NFL ($48 billion). As far as tickets, NBA actually needs higher total attendance (http://www.businessinsider.com/attendance-sports-leagues-world-2015-5) than the NFL, meaning they rely even more heavily on corporate sponsorship, which isn't good for smaller markets. There's also the fact that the NBA is a less prominent league, the teams aren't as valuable, and probably more importantly for Jax, there's little basketball culture here compared to football.
Honestly, what the hell? The NBA ? ? ? That has to be some kind of bait to provoke a response. Mission accomplished. And the Jags are draining City Hall ? ? ? Good grief.
That said, and back on topic, Orlando *is* the vacation capital of this country. They might be able to pull this off.
As a season ticket holder, I would love for the Jaguars to play one of their home pre-season games in Orlando each year. Win win for me - I do not have to pay for a pre-season game I normally would not attend anyway with my season tickets, and we can attempt to expand the Jaguars front print into the Orlando metro area
The Jaguars are not losing another home game, preseason or otherwise.
Maybe if the Bucs, Dolphins or another team wants to lose a home game the Jaguars would play as the visitor.
There's a lot of moving parts, but I'm still in love with the idea of swapping a Jaguars pre-season game for a handful of Orlando Magic regular season games. Who doesn't win? Orlando is a huge, largely untapped secondary market for the Jags, and Jacksonville is a huge, largely untapped secondary market for the Magic. As things stand, most Orlando NFL fans would probably rather watch the Bucs and Dolphins than the Jags. Ditto Jacksonville with the Heat. The drive between Everbank and Amway is barely two hours and change. How many more people could both cities get traveling to Jags/Magic games with a little bit more synergy.
The Jags would still have 8 of their 10 home games (plus playoffs) in Jacksonville, and Orlando would still have 38 home games in Orlando (plus playoffs).
Genuinely feels like a win-win.
Jacksonville isn't getting an NBA team, and Orlando is going to have a nearly impossible time getting an NFL team.
No reason we can't work together though to expose sister cities to each other's franchise.
Or maybe Steve Hogan is just trying to justify his CEO salary with his "I promise, I guarantee" bit.
Quote from: spuwho on April 12, 2016, 10:12:08 PM
Clearly this writer is very much unfamiliar with college football in the south.
Clearly because 'the writer' is a she...
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If memory serves, there were more requests for the local Orlando TV stations to carry the Jaguars this past year than in previous years.
While many attributed this to the rough seasons the Dolphins and Bucs are having, others account for the fact that Blake Bortles was very popular at UCF and the locals want to see him in action.
Either way, currently the Orlando market has been swaying the Jaguars way recently.
^ Orlando has long shown Jags games; Bortles has nothing to do with it. Remember this? http://www.businessinsider.com/orlando-tv-station-apologizes-for-airing-jaguars-2013-9 (http://www.businessinsider.com/orlando-tv-station-apologizes-for-airing-jaguars-2013-9)
I actually think it is the Bucs. See there new deal with Tampa Sports Authority:
QuoteAt one point during the negotiations, which began early this year, the Buccaneers demanded the flexibility to play a second home game away from Raymond James Stadium, causing negotiations to break down in late September. But the team backed away from that position. During renovations, the Bucs will be able to play two home preseason games at another site and can continue to play one home regular season game outside Tampa for the remainder of the lease agreement.
The Buccaneers dropped a previous demand that would have allowed the team to play a second home game away...
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/baybuzz/tampa-sports-authority-board-approves-raymond-james-stadium-renovation/2257856
That is probably the reason they were trying to get even more wiggle room since the Glazers are also committing to London with their Manchester United ties.
I agree -- it's very likely to be the Bucs. What they may try and do is get that Bay Area market to accept one less home game a year just as we have in Jax. Their twist, however, would likely be this: every other year do a home game in Orlando and every other year do a home game in England. For all we know, the Jaguars might then employ a similar tactic when the current London contract for an annual game ends (2020?). That way, Orlando gets at least one pro football game every single year.
I personally wouldn't have a problem with this arrangement.
As it is, the Orlando market is very important to us but is primarily a Dolphins first market which the Bucs and Jags then split. But, as time passes, it should become more and more a Jaguars market -- especially for those folks either on or closer to the Atlantic coast. The success of Blake Bortles will be huge for us in the eastern-most sections of Central Florida.
Pro Bowl will be in Orlando next year, per ESPN.
Well played Orlando, coming through on the guarantee.
Quote from: KenFSU on May 20, 2016, 09:13:44 AM
Pro Bowl will be in Orlando next year, per ESPN.
Well played Orlando, coming through on the guarantee.
Meets the promise perhaps, but any resemblance between a real NFL game and the ProBowl is merely a coincidence.
QuoteThe Jaguars are not losing another home game, preseason or otherwise.
If Lamping and Khan smell money in Orlando, you can be assured they will send a home game down there. It would help if the damn owners would add 2 more games to the schedule.
Quote from: mtraininjax on May 21, 2016, 10:10:51 AM
QuoteThe Jaguars are not losing another home game, preseason or otherwise.
If Lamping and Khan smell money in Orlando, you can be assured they will send a home game down there. It would help if the damn owners would add 2 more games to the schedule.
you really are off-kilter these days. The Jags aren't moving another home game UNLESS the regular season schedule is expanded to 18 games. Note that the new Citrus Bowl is much better than the previous version, but hardly NFL caliber. There simply aren't nearly enough club seats/suites.
Quote from: tufsu1 on May 21, 2016, 11:41:42 PM
Quote from: mtraininjax on May 21, 2016, 10:10:51 AM
QuoteThe Jaguars are not losing another home game, preseason or otherwise.
If Lamping and Khan smell money in Orlando, you can be assured they will send a home game down there. It would help if the damn owners would add 2 more games to the schedule.
you really are off-kilter these days. The Jags aren't moving another home game UNLESS the regular season schedule is expanded to 18 games. Note that the new Citrus Bowl is much better than the previous version, but hardly NFL caliber. There simply aren't nearly enough club seats/suites.
IF they were to add 2 more regular season games, I highly doubt that we would send one of those to Orlando because I highly doubt that the money made at the game would cover the money spent to move them there for the weekend. I don't think it matters if the games is only 2 hours away in Orlando, the team would still treat it as a road game and move EVERYONE down there on Friday/Saturday for Sunday's game.
I do believe that if the season is expanded that we will most definitely take another game in London for a possible 2 game homestand. 1 against the NFC and one v/s the conference. That would also be an easy test to see if London is ready to host back-to-back games with the same enthusiasm as they have for their 3 games over the season.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 22, 2016, 11:33:36 AM
That would also be an easy test to see if London is ready to host back-to-back games with the same enthusiasm as they have for their 3 games over the season.
Just so you know, last year Wembley hosted back-to-back games. Bills vs Jags on October 25th and Lions vs Chiefs on November 1st. This year there will also be back-to-back games in London, just at different stadiums. Giants vs Rams at Twickenham Stadium on October 23rd followed by Redskins vs Bengals in Wembley on October 30th. All 3 London games last year were sold out, and all 3 this year are already sold out.
Quote from: Jax-Nole on May 22, 2016, 03:08:07 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 22, 2016, 11:33:36 AM
That would also be an easy test to see if London is ready to host back-to-back games with the same enthusiasm as they have for their 3 games over the season.
Just so you know, last year Wembley hosted back-to-back games. Bills vs Jags on October 25th and Lions vs Chiefs on November 1st. This year there will also be back-to-back games in London, just at different stadiums. Giants vs Rams at Twickenham Stadium on October 23rd followed by Redskins vs Bengals in Wembley on October 30th. All 3 London games last year were sold out, and all 3 this year are already sold out.
Thanks. I didn't remember until I saw your post.
How about b2b games with the same team? Would the enthusiasm still be there or would there be a drop-off?
IMO, it's not difficult to sell out a few games, but I do wonder how many games they can play there before saturating the market and losing the novelty. I personally don't think a full season there would be sustainable at the levels of crowds they're getting now and that after a few years, London would experience the same drop-off that nearly every team here in the states has seen at one time or another.
From what I remember about the numbers (about 1.5x the revenue), they would only need to sell about 45k seats to equal the revenue for a game here.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 22, 2016, 03:27:09 PM
Quote from: Jax-Nole on May 22, 2016, 03:08:07 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 22, 2016, 11:33:36 AM
That would also be an easy test to see if London is ready to host back-to-back games with the same enthusiasm as they have for their 3 games over the season.
Just so you know, last year Wembley hosted back-to-back games. Bills vs Jags on October 25th and Lions vs Chiefs on November 1st. This year there will also be back-to-back games in London, just at different stadiums. Giants vs Rams at Twickenham Stadium on October 23rd followed by Redskins vs Bengals in Wembley on October 30th. All 3 London games last year were sold out, and all 3 this year are already sold out.
Thanks. I didn't remember until I saw your post.
How about b2b games with the same team? Would the enthusiasm still be there or would there be a drop-off?
The NFL is mulling back to back games with the same team. The issue is that no team (Jags included) want to give up 2 home games. So, you need a team that will be the "road" team for one of the weeks. Washington was on track to be that team for this season but that changed once they won their division.
Quote from: JaxAvondale on May 22, 2016, 04:20:26 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 22, 2016, 03:27:09 PM
Quote from: Jax-Nole on May 22, 2016, 03:08:07 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 22, 2016, 11:33:36 AM
That would also be an easy test to see if London is ready to host back-to-back games with the same enthusiasm as they have for their 3 games over the season.
Just so you know, last year Wembley hosted back-to-back games. Bills vs Jags on October 25th and Lions vs Chiefs on November 1st. This year there will also be back-to-back games in London, just at different stadiums. Giants vs Rams at Twickenham Stadium on October 23rd followed by Redskins vs Bengals in Wembley on October 30th. All 3 London games last year were sold out, and all 3 this year are already sold out.
Thanks. I didn't remember until I saw your post.
How about b2b games with the same team? Would the enthusiasm still be there or would there be a drop-off?
The NFL is mulling back to back games with the same team. The issue is that no team (Jags included) want to give up 2 home games. So, you need a team that will be the "road" team for one of the weeks. Washington was on track to be that team for this season but that changed once they won their division.
That was the caveat behind my remarks, IF. If the NFL adds the 2 games to the schedule, then I would anticipate the b2b game for the Jags.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 22, 2016, 07:45:33 PM
Quote from: JaxAvondale on May 22, 2016, 04:20:26 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 22, 2016, 03:27:09 PM
Quote from: Jax-Nole on May 22, 2016, 03:08:07 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 22, 2016, 11:33:36 AM
That would also be an easy test to see if London is ready to host back-to-back games with the same enthusiasm as they have for their 3 games over the season.
Just so you know, last year Wembley hosted back-to-back games. Bills vs Jags on October 25th and Lions vs Chiefs on November 1st. This year there will also be back-to-back games in London, just at different stadiums. Giants vs Rams at Twickenham Stadium on October 23rd followed by Redskins vs Bengals in Wembley on October 30th. All 3 London games last year were sold out, and all 3 this year are already sold out.
Thanks. I didn't remember until I saw your post.
How about b2b games with the same team? Would the enthusiasm still be there or would there be a drop-off?
The NFL is mulling back to back games with the same team. The issue is that no team (Jags included) want to give up 2 home games. So, you need a team that will be the "road" team for one of the weeks. Washington was on track to be that team for this season but that changed once they won their division.
That was the caveat behind my remarks, IF. If the NFL adds the 2 games to the schedule, then I would anticipate the b2b game for the Jags.
I think that it is a real possibility that the Jags play back to back games in London even without a 18 game regular season schedule. It really makes a lot of sense for all parties involved. The Jags would be able to grow their fanbase in London. The city could commit to FL/GA and ND/Navy (Or other teams) games on consecutive weekends more regularly.
JaxAvondale: The city could commit to FL/GA and ND/Navy (Or other teams) games on consecutive weekends more regularly.
The more I think about it, the more it occurs to me this is a very important point. Two games during the latter half of October or two games straddling October/November gives the local commission an opportunity to schedule some very interesting games to pair with Florida-Georgia.
When the amphitheater and flex field are completed, Florida-Georgia Week is really going to get amped up even further.
Quote from: RattlerGator on May 23, 2016, 09:35:44 AM
JaxAvondale: The city could commit to FL/GA and ND/Navy (Or other teams) games on consecutive weekends more regularly.
The more I think about it, the more it occurs to me this is a very important point. Two games during the latter half of October or two games straddling October/November gives the local commission an opportunity to schedule some very interesting games to pair with Florida-Georgia.
When the amphitheater and flex field are completed, Florida-Georgia Week is really going to get amped up even further.
Amphitheater and flex field should help lure a lot of events to Jacksonville. 2 college regular season games and hosting the NFL draft should be their goal within the next 3-5 years.
Losing another Jags home game, without expanding the season, would be an awful loss. Adding another college game won't replace a lost Jags game, even a major college game would be at most treading water. We can add those all we want anyway, they don't play on on the same days as the NFL. Fortunately, we're unlikely to lose another home game, unless they do expand the season. Maybe a pre-season game.
Quote from: Tacachale on May 23, 2016, 01:39:22 PM
Losing another Jags home game, without expanding the season, would be an awful loss. Adding another college game won't replace a lost Jags game, even a major college game would be at most treading water. We can add those all we want anyway, they don't play on on the same days as the NFL. Fortunately, we're unlikely to lose another home game, unless they do expand the season. Maybe a pre-season game.
The scenario that we were discussing is that the Jags would be the road team for one of the games in London. So, they wouldn't be losing another home game.
^ah, yes. Yeah, that would be cool.
Quote from: JaxAvondale on May 23, 2016, 01:52:13 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on May 23, 2016, 01:39:22 PM
Losing another Jags home game, without expanding the season, would be an awful loss. Adding another college game won't replace a lost Jags game, even a major college game would be at most treading water. We can add those all we want anyway, they don't play on on the same days as the NFL. Fortunately, we're unlikely to lose another home game, unless they do expand the season. Maybe a pre-season game.
The scenario that we were discussing is that the Jags would be the road team for one of the games in London. So, they wouldn't be losing another home game.
Tell that to mtrain
An Orlando game (although I do not expect it to happen unless it's just preseason) would be very different from London. It could still function as an actual home game, and season ticket holders could receive free shuttle (or the brightline) to the Citrus Bowl...
Again, wouldnt want or expect that, but it's certainly not as big of a deal as London.
The Jags won't lose another home game, even preseason. The only thing I could see is playing a preseason game in Orlando as the road team.
Quoteyou really are off-kilter these days. The Jags aren't moving another home game UNLESS the regular season schedule is expanded to 18 games. Note that the new Citrus Bowl is much better than the previous version, but hardly NFL caliber. There simply aren't nearly enough club seats/suites.
What little you know, I think the wind feature in your avatar is sucking all the brains from between your ears.....
You don't know anything about what Lamping is planning, but if you look at see what he has done, every strategic move is all about revenue. Would you like a lesson in NFL revenue 101? Even if its a Fake Football game...
The revenue from game day is peanuts compared to the swag and season tickets they can sell by expanding their fan base in an area 2 short hours from Jax. It may be rocket science to you, but it is something that Weaver started and now Khan/Lamping are trying to build on, since there are "cue Lake" double the number of residents around Orlando as Jax and it ranks as the 3rd largest metropolitan area in Florida. Why wouldn't they explore the option of a home game in Orlando? Seats are nothing, they can have them added, even though the Orlando stadium holds 70,000 as it sits now.
Heck they can get you a sofa in the end zone so you don't have to climb stairs anymore.
Quote from: mtraininjax on May 25, 2016, 01:36:15 AM
Quoteyou really are off-kilter these days. The Jags aren't moving another home game UNLESS the regular season schedule is expanded to 18 games. Note that the new Citrus Bowl is much better than the previous version, but hardly NFL caliber. There simply aren't nearly enough club seats/suites.
What little you know, I think the wind feature in your avatar is sucking all the brains from between your ears.....
You don't know anything about what Lamping is planning, but if you look at see what he has done, every strategic move is all about revenue. Would you like a lesson in NFL revenue 101? Even if its a Fake Football game...
The revenue from game day is peanuts compared to the swag and season tickets they can sell by expanding their fan base in an area 2 short hours from Jax. It may be rocket science to you, but it is something that Weaver started and now Khan/Lamping are trying to build on, since there are "cue Lake" double the number of residents around Orlando as Jax and it ranks as the 3rd largest metropolitan area in Florida. Why wouldn't they explore the option of a home game in Orlando? Seats are nothing, they can have them added, even though the Orlando stadium holds 70,000 as it sits now.
Heck they can get you a sofa in the end zone so you don't have to climb stairs anymore.
I can't for the life of me understand why you want to come off like such a jerk. Why do you talk to people like this? It's obviously not heat of the moment, as you're responding to a comment from days ago.
It doesn't help that you're wrong. For one thing, over $3 billion of the NFL's $9.2 billion annual revenues (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-09-04/nfls-secretive-finances-a-nearly-10-billion-mystery) are from stadiums. Additionally, stadium revenues are virtually all the teams get to keep for themselves. The other $6 billion - TV, national sponsorships, most merchandise - is shared, with each team getting a $187.7 million cut. So, teams have a huge incentive to get people into their stadium.
Going to the Citrus Bowl would mean paying to rent the stadium, not getting revenue from local sponsorships, and probably not even getting to keep merch revenue sold there. That's beyond the fact that it holds only 65k people and has few high-revenue-generating premium seats. Even if it sold out, which it probably wouldn't at NFL prices, it would generate less revenue than a game at EverBank.
The real goal, which I think you're getting at, would be to build the Jags' brand in Orlando and try to get Central Floridians to come up to EverBank on Sundays. It might work, but there are likely less risky and less costly ways to do that than losing one of 7 remaining revenue generating games a year to get people to come up for the other 6.
Another way to help build a following in central Florida would be to hold part of training camp in Orlando every year.
I seriously doubt the Jags would cover your transportation and other costs associated with attending the game in Orlando, even if you were a season ticket holder.