Gov. Rick Scott "Scolded" at Gainesville Starbucks
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A woman in a Gainesville Starbucks yells at Gov. Scott for cutting Medicaid and disregarding the needs of the poor, "shame on you."
Read More: http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2016-apr-gov-rick-scott-scolded-at-gainesville-starbucks (http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2016-apr-gov-rick-scott-scolded-at-gainesville-starbucks)
QuoteToday, footage surfaced of Florida governor Rick Scott, at a Starbucks in Gainesville, getting yelled at by a customer—local woman Cara Jennings, who is none to happy with the governor.
"You cut Medicaid so I couldn't get Obamacare," Jennings shouts. "You're an asshole. You don't care about working people. You should be ashamed to show your face around here."
The two have a small back and forth as Scott attempts to remind the customer that he's "created 1 million jobs." "Where?" Jennings responds.
As he leaves the cafe—without any coffee—Jennings accuses Scott of denying women access to vital care, presumably because that is precisely what the governor did last month. He then says something unintelligible back to the customer before hurrying out of the store.
Jenning told ABC Action News that she knew she had to say something about the abortion bill to the governor when she saw him in her local Starbucks and that "a number of people came up to me and thanked me."
Rick Scott, who recently endorsed Donald Trump, can't even get a cup of coffee these days.
http://gawker.com/florida-governor-rick-scott-cant-even-get-a-cup-of-coff-1769294087 (http://gawker.com/florida-governor-rick-scott-cant-even-get-a-cup-of-coff-1769294087)
That video is fantastic. She's right.
This is news?
Quote from: Tacachale on April 06, 2016, 01:15:32 PM
This is news?
Yes, it is. If it was difficult for you to ask, remember that there is no such thing as a stupid question. If you need help identifying anything else as news, post a link and we'll help you categorize.
She could have still gotten ACA through a national exchange.
If I understand the dynamics correctly, the Feds cut medicaid to pay for the ACA and left it up to the states to make up any differences. Scott and the Legislature decided not to make up the differences. (Why UF Shands is having issues).
So I am assuming she is upset becuase she no longer qualifies under Medicaid under the new rules, but when she went to an exchange, it was too expensive either per month or the deductable was too high.
I dont want to make any value judgements, just an observation, but someone sitting in a $5 cup Starbucks with a $500 laptop complaining about Medicaid rings odd. (Yes, I know she could have borrowed it to job hunt)
Besides, Scott is not a good communicator anyway, he was right to walk away before he said something he shouldnt have.
When did going to Starbucks become an act of decadence?
Quote from: TheCat on April 06, 2016, 01:30:33 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on April 06, 2016, 01:15:32 PM
This is news?
Yes, it is. If it was difficult for you to ask, remember that there is no such thing as a stupid question. If you need help identifying anything else as news, post a link and we'll help you categorize.
As a Metro Jacksonville headline writer, I'd have thought you'd be familiar with leading questions. My comment is best considered in the spirit of Betteridge's Law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines): the actual answer is no, it's not news. It's a cell phone video of a relatively common occurrence.
Quote from: TheCat on April 06, 2016, 01:43:38 PM
When did going to Starbucks become an act of decadence?
Probably around this time
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Rude is rude. What happened to manners and any kind of respect in this country? Everything seems to be in the gutter these days. Sad really. I usually try not to post in these political threads, but couldn't help myself.
Quote from: Apache on April 06, 2016, 03:05:45 PMNothing accomplished at all by her display of childish behavior. Yea..good for you lady.
Her outburst accomplishes nothing politically and she'll probably regret how she acted as time passes by. Watching the video, I'm assuming she had a partner film this? The video is running youtube ads and has around 223k views so far. From a monetary perspective, if Youtube pays $3CPM, she's made close to $700 for her outburst so far. A good hard earned day of work for someone soaking up the wi-fi at Starbucks. So Scott has actually created 1,001 jobs!
Quote from: thelakelander on April 06, 2016, 03:35:36 PM
Quote from: Apache on April 06, 2016, 03:05:45 PMNothing accomplished at all by her display of childish behavior. Yea..good for you lady.
Her outburst accomplishes nothing politically and she'll probably regret how she acted as time passes by. Watching the video, I'm assuming she had a partner film this? The video is running youtube ads and has around 223k views so far. From a monetary perspective, if Youtube pays $3CPM, she's made close to $700 for her outburst so far. A good hard earned day of work for someone soaking up the wi-fi at Starbucks. So Scott has actually created 1,001 jobs!
Correction. (Based off of assumption) Youtube is not her employer. Scott didn't create another job, but can add a 'bringing in another 'business' to Florida' feather to his hat. ;)
Quote from: thelakelander on April 06, 2016, 03:35:36 PM
Quote from: Apache on April 06, 2016, 03:05:45 PMNothing accomplished at all by her display of childish behavior. Yea..good for you lady.
Her outburst accomplishes nothing politically and she'll probably regret how she acted as time passes by. Watching the video, I'm assuming she had a partner film this? The video is running youtube ads and has around 223k views so far. From a monetary perspective, if Youtube pays $3CPM, she's made close to $700 for her outburst so far. A good hard earned day of work for someone soaking up the wi-fi at Starbucks. So Scott has actually created 1,001 jobs!
Really sad how people behave at times. No one is a huge fan of Governor Scott but there is no reason to act like that with anyone.
Quote from: Tacachale on April 06, 2016, 02:54:54 PM
Quote from: TheCat on April 06, 2016, 01:30:33 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on April 06, 2016, 01:15:32 PM
This is news?
Yes, it is. If it was difficult for you to ask, remember that there is no such thing as a stupid question. If you need help identifying anything else as news, post a link and we'll help you categorize.
As a Metro Jacksonville headline writer, I'd have thought you'd be familiar with leading questions. My comment is best considered in the spirit of Betteridge's Law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines): the actual answer is no, it's not news. It's a cell phone video of a relatively common occurrence.
Oh, thanks for the explanation. You're criticising the way the headline is written. Let me try again..
"Did Someone Yell at Rick Scott in a Gainesville Starbucks about Cuts to Medicaid?"
That doesn't follow the rule, though. The answer is yes. I'll figure it out eventually.
AND....
it's relatively common for Rick Scott to be yelled at in Public? Can you post a link to more videos?
Surprise. She's a former Lake Worth City Commissioner and vocal Social Justice Activist. It's amazing that some people who think sidewalk chalk is an aggression are cheering this lady for screaming obscenities at Gov. Scott.
Quote from: TheCat on April 06, 2016, 04:44:38 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on April 06, 2016, 02:54:54 PM
Quote from: TheCat on April 06, 2016, 01:30:33 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on April 06, 2016, 01:15:32 PM
This is news?
Yes, it is. If it was difficult for you to ask, remember that there is no such thing as a stupid question. If you need help identifying anything else as news, post a link and we'll help you categorize.
As a Metro Jacksonville headline writer, I'd have thought you'd be familiar with leading questions. My comment is best considered in the spirit of Betteridge's Law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines): the actual answer is no, it's not news. It's a cell phone video of a relatively common occurrence.
Oh, thanks for the explanation. You're criticising the way the headline is written. Let me try again..
"Did Someone Yell at Rick Scott in a Gainesville Starbucks about Cuts to Medicaid?"
That doesn't follow the rule, though. The answer is yes. I'll figure it out eventually.
AND....
it's relatively common for Rick Scott to be yelled at in Public? Can you post a link to more videos?
I think it's pretty clear that my criticism is that something this silly and mundane was posted like it's news. But whatever gets you clicks.
Manners? Who gives a shit about manners? Being respectful to POTUS, I get...but Scott is a literal monster (physically and politically). Fuck that guy.
This girl is my hero.
Quote from: Tacachale on April 06, 2016, 05:06:12 PM
Quote from: TheCat on April 06, 2016, 04:44:38 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on April 06, 2016, 02:54:54 PM
Quote from: TheCat on April 06, 2016, 01:30:33 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on April 06, 2016, 01:15:32 PM
This is news?
Yes, it is. If it was difficult for you to ask, remember that there is no such thing as a stupid question. If you need help identifying anything else as news, post a link and we'll help you categorize.
As a Metro Jacksonville headline writer, I'd have thought you'd be familiar with leading questions. My comment is best considered in the spirit of Betteridge's Law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines): the actual answer is no, it's not news. It's a cell phone video of a relatively common occurrence.
Oh, thanks for the explanation. You're criticising the way the headline is written. Let me try again..
"Did Someone Yell at Rick Scott in a Gainesville Starbucks about Cuts to Medicaid?"
That doesn't follow the rule, though. The answer is yes. I'll figure it out eventually.
AND....
it's relatively common for Rick Scott to be yelled at in Public? Can you post a link to more videos?
I think it's pretty clear that my criticism is that something this silly and mundane was posted like it's news. But whatever gets you clicks.
Yes, it was very clear but apparently my fatuous responses were not.
When did going to Starbucks become a liberal vs conservative issue? I don't think the tea party thing is supposed to be taken literally.
As for rudeness, pah-lease. Scott endorses Donald Trump. Donald's the one that advocates for violence towards people who don't agree with you.
Donald and his ilk are tired of political correctness.
Is there a politically correct way to not be politically correct? ::)
You go girl!!! or whatever the hell...
I think we're all getting off the point here. Let me first say I respect & like the people who run MJ & this isn't really an opinion but more an observation by coming here everyday for the past years. But the problem with these stories, esp on a community based city site, is that its simply not news. Let's be real, its only news here because of who it is & the political leanings of this site as a whole. I agree Scott's an idiot, but c mon now. A headliner?? I mean, if there's a legit story on Scott then fine. But a triggered SJW chick next to UofF yelling at him in a Starbucks while someone records it with their phone? Nah. That's amateur hour trash media. The view count on youtube is irrelevant. A farting hippo has over 14 million views there too.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who's noticed the click bait articles like this lately, whether they're headlines or in the forum. Or the fact that many of the headlines nowadays are outsourced from another publication & the lack of original content has dwindled. I know its hard to do & takes a lot of time/effort to write original stuff day to day, and Jax isnt exactly a hotbed of activity like many metros, but it seems more meat & less filler is really the way to go, even if it means less content overall.
I only write this because I do love the site & its creators, and I dont wanna see people turned off or pushed away, bringing the site's views down & thus the site itself eventually. That goes for the stories & what happens in the forums. Remember, not everyone may share the same political or social views as you do, and hardline self-righteous opinions, talking down to disagreeing viewpoints, not posting or even acknowledging news/events that go against the majority views, etc from many of the people here will only cause more viewers to not only not participate but to not come back period & the only activity will eventually be from the most vocal few who enjoy the eco chamber safe space with having their own viewpoints (whether right or wrong) validated by the others who share it that happen to remain. It's already starting to feel that way to be honest.
Anyways, just a thought.
It's simple really. If a subject doesn't appeal to you, don't read it.
I think this governor is scum and deserves to be spit at!!
The woman's behavior was interesting. If she was a nut, the event would pass as just one more nut in the wild. However, I sense that she is quite sane, and of reasonable mental balance, allowing one to ponder the cause and validity of her behavior.
Her behavior was of course, her chosen form of communication. She could have simply written a letter, or sent an email. Her savage verbal attack was perhaps meant to reach many more ears that Scott's. It did. He or an assistant would have simply ignored an email or letter with similar content.
I am not familiar with much detail about Scott's legislative actions. However, the media and forums convey the opinion that he is one of the ... well ... one of partners in the bought and entrenched group of politicians who do not care about the average Joe or Priscilla ... but who do care about their moneyed supporters -- the wealthy, and the powerful business interests -- and therefore do not represent the majority of citizens, as they should.
The woman's vitriol is quite acceptable in my opinion, and should increasingly be the type of communication chosen to confront more of these arrogant politicians and corporate moguls who worship wealth and power at the expense of everything else, including the wellbeing of the average citizen.
Actually, in my opinion, more than a few of these arrogant, self-centered, and corrupt individuals -- and there are many in our governmental and corporate worlds -- should not only be shouted down in public whenever they stick their ugly heads about, but they should be prosecuted, and in many instances, either put behind bars for many years, or executed.
A few executions would be quite reasonable and productive, as it would remove from our presence the most corrupt and arrogant, and perhaps the most filthy rich, thereby leaving opportunities for individuals of improved character and purpose ... individuals better suited to represent the needs and concerns of the majority of citizens, which is, after all, the ultimate purpose of the powers given to those in government, and also in the mega-corporate world, because of the great influence their size has upon the quality of life of the majority of citizens. Under the current dire circumstances, executions are badly needed so as to remove from our political landscape some of the abusive and destructive habits assumed by the individuals who've been entrenched in our government for many decades.
But ... all is good ... as I've mentioned on an earlier post ... the individuals to be executed should be given a choice as to method. Whereas I mentioned only three methods earlier, I wish now to suggest four. The Chair, the Rope, the Rifle, and the Guillotine. All of these are quite horrendous. Of the four, I might choose the rope, as it would be, compared to the others, less horrendous during the event, as it might offer a simple loss of consciousness, as if one faints for lack of oxygen. Some might suggest adding a fifth ... the injection method. This, if available, would be my choice, as it might approximate taking a strong sleeping pill.
In any case, I admire the woman, and would commend her if we were to meet, as I am of the opinion that she said what should have been said to this arrogant, corrupt, and self-centered, fool we have as a governor.
Quote from: stephendare on April 07, 2016, 09:26:55 AM
lol psu. you've literally been saying or hinting at the same thing for 8 years. People are opinionated and passionate and their views change.
You've certainly never stinted in sharing your own libertarian viewpoints on the site. pretty much since your first few months of posting here. (which we love, and appreciate. God knows how much time and effort you put into helping our various projects. Im still grateful for the work you did to help out our early pub crawls.)
Not really. I've involved myself in some of these discussions, sure. But you'll never find a time where I tried to bully or push my views onto someone else, at least not directly or right off the bat. The only times I've gotten harsh is when involved in a discussion & someone attacked me or a legit view (usually with false info) & then I come hard. You should already know me by now if someone metaphorically smacks me, I'm hitting them with a baseball bat. I once made my older (and tougher) brother cry over the phone because he came at me with some completely false family drama accusations before he had any facts whatsoever & thought he was gonna lay into me. I'm not proud of this, its just the way I am for better or worse. But I've never EVER crated a thread pushing my views or trying to set some narrative on here, or really anywhere for that matter (if you find one let me know). My posts in general are counter punches. That's the difference.
And I'm not saying discussing politics is a bad thing (we talk about them pretty much every time we're together), but just the tone & the bullying on the site has gotten almost completely one sided & there's no room for varying opinions anymore. If one happens to pop up, its immediately shouted down, everyone high fives each other claiming victory & then you never hear from those people again (aside from a select few who just enjoy rustling feathers I guess?). That's why we see tons of posts like the stupid gun nut women who's kid shot her from the backseat (everybody point & laugh at the gun people), which I get she's an idiot, but then don't even see a single post about what happened in Brussels (at least I didn't see one). Even in this post, people found a way to bring up Donald Trump is a "raciss" & killing Rick Scott. Hardy har. If those post were about Bernie or Obama, how far do you think they would've gotten before the typical wrecking crew players came in? Not very.
That, coupled with the site issues I brought up, drives people away IMO. I'm not predicting the death of MJ (I never have), just that it prob doesn't help getting eyeballs on screen. And I'd personally like to see the site live up to its fullest potential because I know you & the team are extremely talented, I do enjoy coming here, reading the stories, engaging. From a viewers standpoint, that's getting harder is all I was saying when you consider everything mentioned.
Quote from: finehoe on April 07, 2016, 02:45:24 PM
It's simple really. If a subject doesn't appeal to you, don't read it.
Its called constructive criticism, which I think is valid & needed to be said. If its a post that doesn't appeal to you, don't read or feel you need to reply to it. See how that works? Try it some time, it ain't hard. You basically have to do nothing. What's easier than that??
Quote from: peestandingup on April 08, 2016, 07:11:41 AM
That's why we see tons of posts like the stupid gun nut women who's kid shot her from the backseat (everybody point & laugh at the gun people), which I get she's an idiot, but then don't even see a single post about what happened in Brussels (at least I didn't see one).
Huh? I fail to see the connection between the two.
Quote from: peestandingup on April 08, 2016, 07:11:41 AM
That's why we see tons of posts like the stupid gun nut women who's kid shot her from the backseat (everybody point & laugh at the gun people), which I get she's an idiot, but then don't even see a single post about what happened in Brussels (at least I didn't see one).
The gun nut woman was in Jacksonville and Scott is the governor of Florida. Brussels is on another continent.
See how that works?
Quote from: Adam White on April 08, 2016, 07:55:40 AM
Huh? I fail to see the connection between the two.
Refugees in Europe & which side of the coin is supporting it. I'll leave it at that & you can put two & two together.
Quote from: finehoe on April 08, 2016, 08:45:02 AM
The gun nut woman was in Jacksonville and Scott is the governor of Florida. Brussels is on another continent.
See how that works?
What's this section for then?? http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/board,78.0.html
But keep playing dumb.
QuoteIt would be nice personally to be challenged intellectually by an actual conservative online. An independent thinker with the ability to debate things through and actually win on the merits of the argument would be like a little bit of heaven for me. Ive even thought about debating the conservative point of view myself to switch things up. And I mean genuinely conservative, not emotional right wingers.
If you can find one (or even better, a few of them) let me know.
Both sides usually suck at that if you wanna know the truth, esp the "team players". And do you really think the hardcore liberals here do it any better? They don't. Unless you call patting each other on the back in an echo chamber good debating skills. No opposing points get across to them because they're right, everyone else is wrong. If they're losing, that's when it becomes ad hominem & shout downs (basically, the woman in the video). Even if some of her points were valid, her smug smile at the end like she actually did something is cringy. Really all she basically did was screamed at a politician who she has disagreements with for 3 solid minutes without letting him respond, which is the typical way they have a "discussion" these days. You know its true. Not that the other side is any better, but you get what I'm saying hopefully.
QuoteIn the case of site bias, I think I disagree with you PSU, but help me out. Find me an intelligent thoughtful conservative or 2.
They wouldn't come here because of the above mentioned. It'd be like sticking your dick into a hornet's nest at this point. :) But you know they exist (I refuse to believe you don't know any personally). Plus, you were one once. ;)
QuoteI think that you've always made the claim that every new bit of material that we post is 'click bait'. You've made that claim a number of times over the past 5 years, and its not really the case.
Here & there, but its gotten worse within the last year or so. Esp since the site format changed. I'm not the only one who's noticed the change. Maybe "click bait" wasn't the correct term overall (although this headline certainly falls into that category). I guess too much filler is what I was getting at. But like I said, I know its gotta be tough coming up with stuff, gathering info, photos, etc.
QuoteAnd obviously everyone who posts here helps decide that for us. have since the beginning.
Even when your opinion is in the minority of the opinions on a particular thread. ;) We listen to sensible stuff, and welcome thoughtful feedback (and every single one of us is available to hang out with and talk to directly at our weekly public meetings---have ben for ten years)
Thank you, Stephen.
Part of the issue is what you do and don't cover. You didn't cover, for instance, the state budget's allocations for NE Florida this year, or Scott approving the Jacksonville pension bill, or him endorsing Donald Trump, etc. But some woman shouting at Scott while he's getting coffee is a front page story. I'm sure it's good click bait, but it's not news.
The rest of this thread illustrates some of the other problems with the forums. The tendency for conversations to devolve into a back-and-forth with the same people. The buffaloing of people with differing perspectives. The creators failing to accept honest criticism and digging their heels in.
I'd like to see scott harassed like that everywhere he goes, he deserves it!
Quote from: Tacachale on April 08, 2016, 10:55:52 AM
Part of the issue is what you do and don't cover. You didn't cover, for instance, the state budget's allocations for NE Florida this year, or Scott approving the Jacksonville pension bill, or him endorsing Donald Trump, etc. But some woman shouting at Scott while he's getting coffee is a front page story. I'm sure it's good click bait, but it's not news.
The rest of this thread illustrates some of the other problems with the forums. The tendency for conversations to devolve into a back-and-forth with the same people. The buffaloing of people with differing perspectives. The creators failing to accept honest criticism and digging their heels in.
(http://i.imgur.com/f7FdEdG.jpg)
Quote from: urbaknight on April 08, 2016, 11:05:37 AM
I'd like to see scott harassed like that everywhere he goes, he deserves it!
Exhibit A, everyone.
Quote from: peestandingup on April 08, 2016, 11:12:53 AM
Quote from: urbaknight on April 08, 2016, 11:05:37 AM
I'd like to see scott harassed like that everywhere he goes, he deserves it!
Exhibit A, everyone.
How so? It's not
>a back-and-forth with the same people, as it was the first comment on this thread by 'urbanknight'.
>buffaloing of people with differing perspectives, it was s/he giving her/his opinion, not directed at anyone else.
> creators failing to accept honest criticism and digging their heels in. Again, no.
I fail to see what the so-called problem is. One of the great things about this site is the diversity of things it does cover. Anyone can start a thread about most anything. If you're not interested in reading about kayaking on the St. Johns, you can skip over it. If your delicate political sensibilities are easily offended by something another person posts, you can move on to the next thread. If you don't like having your opinions challenged by another poster, then you probably shouldn't reply to anything.
QuoteHow so? It's not
Because I literally just made the point how many Liberals consider this proper behavior towards someone you disagree with politically. Wanna stop people from getting to a private event for a candidate you don't agree with? Just form a human chain & close a road, then yell racism when you get arrested. A judgement doesn't go the way you want it? Sure, just burn down some shit. Wanna say something at a Bernie rally? Just steal his microphone. Trump gotcha down? Just invade his rallies & get in people's faces, punch a cop or two. It's cool cause cops are bad. Someone paints "Trump 2016" on some university property that's solely there for students to express an opinion? "OMG you guys, mah safe space!"
Understand? Even people like Bill Clinton (who got shouted down the other day at a rally by some leftist activists) & Bill Maher are getting tired of this shit, and its where the term "regressive left" is coming from. When you see the right doing any of this stuff to this kind of insane degree lemme know.
QuoteI fail to see what the so-called problem is. One of the great things about this site is the diversity of things it does cover. Anyone can start a thread about most anything. If you're not interested in reading about kayaking on the St. Johns, you can skip over it. If your delicate political sensibilities are easily offended by something another person posts, you can move on to the next thread. If you don't like having your opinions challenged by another poster, then you probably shouldn't reply to anything.
I can handle the banter all day, I just choose not to. Besides, I wasn't talking about me directly (Stephen brought that part into it) & was just making an observation as a whole. I haven't posted here with any significance or frequency for many months (check my post history), but I do watch.
Quote from: peestandingup on April 08, 2016, 12:15:33 PM
Because I literally just made the point how many Liberals consider this proper behavior towards someone you disagree with politically. When you see the right doing any of this stuff to this kind of insane degree lemme know.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/10/trump-protester-sucker-punched-at-north-carolina-rally-videos-show/
http://thefederalist.com/2016/03/10/6-times-people-got-attacked-at-trump-rallies/
Quote from: peestandingup on April 08, 2016, 12:15:33 PM
I wasn't talking about me directly
Neither was I.
Quote from: stephendare on April 08, 2016, 12:40:47 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on April 08, 2016, 10:55:52 AM
Part of the issue is what you do and don't cover. You didn't cover, for instance, the state budget's allocations for NE Florida this year, or Scott approving the Jacksonville pension bill, or him endorsing Donald Trump, etc. But some woman shouting at Scott while he's getting coffee is a front page story. I'm sure it's good click bait, but it's not news.
The State's Budget Allocations for NE Florida.
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,26467.0.html
Curry's Plan for paying down the Pension Debt. (Which has been an ongoing topic since January 4th and has way more direct page views than this topic at present)
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,25936.0.html
The Governor approving the plan:
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,25936.msg441025.html#msg441025
Since Curry's press secretary is presently in the habit of blacklisting the blogs (except the favorable to Curry floridapolitics, of course) from press releases, the lack of coverage for his administration pretty much rests with him. Ive reached out to him, but he's a vindictive kind of guy. Something which didn't start with his razor thin win as mayor.
We were also the only people who spoke with great warmth about his appointments, tacachale. The other media merely reported on them, we offered positive analysis and praise. Bill Killingsworth, Sam Mousa, Carrie Stewart, Mike Weinstein (who I had the privilege of hanging out with at the Clay County Fair this past weekend.)
Or are you commenting on the placement of the story on the front page, rather than in the forums?
Yes, I'm talking about the placement. This "coffee incident" was front page news, the rest were only covered in forum posts linking to other sites.
Quote from: finehoe on April 08, 2016, 12:44:39 PM
Quote from: peestandingup on April 08, 2016, 12:15:33 PM
Because I literally just made the point how many Liberals consider this proper behavior towards someone you disagree with politically. When you see the right doing any of this stuff to this kind of insane degree lemme know.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/10/trump-protester-sucker-punched-at-north-carolina-rally-videos-show/
http://thefederalist.com/2016/03/10/6-times-people-got-attacked-at-trump-rallies/
Peanuts comparison.
Quote from: peestandingup on April 08, 2016, 10:51:41 AM
Quote from: Adam White on April 08, 2016, 07:55:40 AM
Huh? I fail to see the connection between the two.
Refugees in Europe & which side of the coin is supporting it. I'll leave it at that & you can put two & two together.
I still don't follow.
I guess they're both cautionary tales about guns.
I don't know why you're bringing up refugees. Oh wait, yeah I do.
Quote from: peestandingup on April 08, 2016, 01:01:03 PM
Quote from: finehoe on April 08, 2016, 12:44:39 PM
Quote from: peestandingup on April 08, 2016, 12:15:33 PM
Because I literally just made the point how many Liberals consider this proper behavior towards someone you disagree with politically. When you see the right doing any of this stuff to this kind of insane degree lemme know.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/10/trump-protester-sucker-punched-at-north-carolina-rally-videos-show/
http://thefederalist.com/2016/03/10/6-times-people-got-attacked-at-trump-rallies/
Peanuts comparison.
What? Are you making a case for which political side is more restrained or considerate?
Let's be clear; abhorrent behavior can come from any side of the political spectrum. The issue now, the abhorrent behavior people are not on the fringe of the Repub party they're the base.
There is a grinning irony in this thread, the disgust over this lady yelling at a man who endorses Donald Trump. I suppose political asininity is couth when it wears a suit and stands behind a podium but God forbid it says something while working on a laptop in a Starbucks.
Then, the poor judging about someone going to Starbucks is silly. We're not going to address what she was upset about, we're more outraged that she may have purchased a skinny soy latte or whether this incident was newsworthy?
This is your chance, Tachahle, to discuss how Rick Scott approaches Medicaid and Obamacare. It's your chance to discuss his endorsement of Donald Trump. There is nothing wrong with using this type of incident to discuss real issues.
Interview with Cara Jennings:
http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/cara-jennings-interview-story-behind-viral-rick-scott-vid/
Cara Jennings is a force of nature.
Total disclosure: Cara is an old friend of mine. We spent our twenties traveling to many of the same protests, in an activist performance-art troupe called the Radical Cheerleaders that Cara founded in the late 1990s with her two sisters, Aimee and Colleen. As a young civil rights movement within itself, radical cheerleaders were often found yelling loudly about things like feminism, environmental justice, and labor rights at anyone who was within earshot.
So it wasn't much of a shock when I logged onto Facebook Tuesday night to discover that a video of Cara had gone viral—a video in which she reads Florida Gov. Rick Scott to filth in a Gainesville Starbucks. I hadn't seen Cara in years, but there she was, the same fiery, unstoppable anarcha-feminist I remembered so fondly.
In the years in between, Cara Jennings was the first anarchist elected to public office in Florida, becoming a Lake Worth city commissioner in 2006 and inciting controversy when she refused to say the Pledge of Allegiance in office. Though she has traveled the world, Cara still lives in Lake Worth, the small town near West Palm Beach where she and her sisters grew up. Now a working mom who does contract work for the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), she resides in an anarchist collective house known as a crash pad for activists passing through the area. Her erudite criticisms of both local politicians and global issues frequently make the news.
She spoke with the Daily Dot by phone on Wednesday amidst a media frenzy that had descended after the Scott video exploded in popularity online.
Cara, you are very viral today. Are you being hounded by the press?
I have a Fox interview in 15 minutes, but it's Fox so, you know, what do I care? I have 15 unread text messages that are all reporters, and I have a list of five that I haven't called back yet, too.
I understand that the video started recording after your conversation with Gov. Scott was already under way. What had been said before the video?
It started out very calm. I saw his profile and wasn't sure if it was him. So I just said, "Governor Scott," and he turned towards me. I asked, "Why did you pass that awful law last week that impacts women's healthcare choices?" And he said, "I don't vote on bills," which is so incredibly disingenuous. If I didn't understand the political process, at that point I would have thought, "Oh, I got the information wrong," and I would have dropped it. But he didn't even own up to the fact that he passed this bill.
So I said, right you don't vote—but you have executive authority to sign bills into law. And this bill you signed into law is very harmful to women like me, who rely on women's health services like Planned Parenthood. And he said, go to your county health clinic then.
So I have the governor of the state of Florida telling me which healthcare provider I should go to, in a coffee shop. Completely inappropriate. And basically where the video picks up is when I respond by saying, "You're an asshole."
At which point everyone watching this video starts to lose it with laughter. And this video, it kills me, because I know you—and anyone who knows you knows that you are fearless when it comes to these confrontations, but this time there just happened to be a camera nearby.
The thing is...I'm like, really? This is the video that goes viral? I've been much more poised and articulate many other times. [laughs]
Why confront the governor in person, as opposed to an online petition, or whatever people would normally do?
Well, you know, 12,000 people signed a petition opposing this bill that was delivered to the governor. And for months, people have been trying to meet with him at the capital in opposition to the bill. I've been in Tallahassee before to try to meet with him on immigration issues with over 100 of his constituents, and he's refused meetings.
Around the time when Florida was moving forward with a copycat bill of the Arizona anti-immigrant SB 1070 legislation, I was part of a group of people that were going to Tallahassee weekly to try to meet with the governor and he refused to meet with us.
So in some way, I guess, the only way you can get Governor Scott's attention is if you happen to run into him at Starbucks. Because if you try to meet with him as a constituent, good luck. And that is the reputation he has.
Tell me about another time when something like this happened and there wasn't anyone there recording it. What other confrontations have you had with political figures?
Girl, I hope you have a long piece of paper! [laughs]
Yeah, I mean, I believe in engaging people who have the political power to make decisions that affect our lives. So, I try to do that. In this situation, I just happened to stumble upon Governor Scott at Starbucks.
But in other situations...for example I was at the RNC [2012 Republican National Convention] in Tampa a few years ago to address Marco Rubio, to stop him from running for office. He was across the room, but I did share my thoughts with him. It was in the paper around that time. I don't know if there was video, but it was definitely covered.
Have you had any communication with Planned Parenthood or the clinics that are impacted since the video blew up?
I haven't even gotten to check my email yet, honestly. But I know some people who work at Planned Parenthood who I've talked to.
This new bill defunded Planned Parenthood completely in the state of Florida, right?
Not completely. But what it did was impact the funding for any provider that is in any way affiliated with abortion services. So for low-income people who benefit from what they call Title X funding, that's basic well-woman care, family planning, HIV testing, pregnancy testing, breast exams, things like that.
In places where I live in Palm Beach County, 45 percent of low-income women get their basic reproductive healthcare—their screenings, their STD testing, their birth control—from Planned Parenthood. This bill basically forces all those people to find a different provider. But in some parts of the state, there aren't other providers. Or the other providers don't offer the same quality of care or the same services.
So just to be clear, now the state of Florida won't let women on Medicaid go to Planned Parenthood—is that how it works?
Right. Correct. It doesn't even have to mean that there are abortion services at that clinic. Just because the clinic's care is provided by Planned Parenthood and Planned Parenthood offers abortion in other places, it makes it so you can no longer go there at all and have it be covered if you're low-income. It's really too bad that the governor telling me to go to the county health clinic wasn't on video, too. He thinks he has the authority to dictate where women go to get their mammograms. It doesn't matter to him that the county health clinic doesn't provide care that's as good as Planned Parenthood.
He feels comfortable telling me where I should go. I feel comfortable telling him he's an asshole.
Amazing. Is there anything else you wish you had said to him but didn't have a chance to?
The governor is so egregious, the list of things to bring up about him is very long. From environmental policy, to the brutal number of executions in this state under his authority, to the lack of voting-rights restorations that is on his shoulders. We're fighting fracking bills that he was expected to support if they had gotten to his desk. I would have liked a much longer audience with the governor to discuss a lot of the issues. But he left, so.
What else are you working on as far as activism these days?
I'm working on a few things. There's an effort to stop a new federal max prison construction in Kentucky that they're trying to build on a mountaintop-removal coal mining site. There's going to be a convergence in D.C. in June to push the BPA to stop building these federal prisons and finally commit to reducing mass incarceration.
I'm working on some local issues, too, around development and environmental issues where I live.
What's so incredible about this viral video is that so many people seem to agree really strongly with you. I haven't seen a single person opposing what you said on social media—it's all applause.
Isn't that incredible? Sometimes you just don't wanna read the comments...but the comments here, I've been blown away. I think it speaks to the fact that while politicians across the country are trying to defund Planned Parenthood, there's actually massive public support for groups like Planned Parenthood. Not just good access to healthcare, but also recognizing that safe access to abortion is a basic healthcare issue for women. Because the other part of this bill creates really horrible obstacles for abortion clinics, it's not just about cutting Medicaid access.
Some people—including people in my family—have messaged me and said, "Look, I don't support public funds for abortion." But they've been really misled. We're not talking just about public funds for abortion. We're talking about a woman's right to choose where she gets her mammogram. And if Planned Parenthood provides the best medical service, then we should have the right to go there. These laws that are being pushed by right-wing think tanks are hurting our basic access.
From the article:
What's so incredible about this viral video is that so many people seem to agree really strongly with you. I haven't seen a single person opposing what you said on social media—it's all applause.
Yeah, cause social media is such a harmonious place. She's obviously not reading the comments coming from Jacksonville.
Quote from: TheCat on April 08, 2016, 02:53:36 PM
From the article:
What's so incredible about this viral video is that so many people seem to agree really strongly with you. I haven't seen a single person opposing what you said on social media—it's all applause.
Yeah, cause social media is such a harmonious place. She's obviously not reading the comments coming from Jacksonville.
Echo chamber effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echo_chamber_(media)).
Quote from: TheCat on April 08, 2016, 02:46:40 PM
What? Are you making a case for which political side is more restrained or considerate?
I think he's saying that a right-winger physically attacking a fellow citizen is "peanuts" compared to a left-winger shouting at a politician who's job is to listen to his constituents.
Quote from: TheCat on April 08, 2016, 02:53:36 PM
From the article:
What's so incredible about this viral video is that so many people seem to agree really strongly with you. I haven't seen a single person opposing what you said on social media—it's all applause.
Yeah, cause social media is such a harmonious place. She's obviously not reading the comments coming from Jacksonville.
I cant say it was so harmonious while in the post office this AM. A gentleman was sharing his frustration with the ACA with a PO worker.
Suddenly everyone chimed in about their disgust at the penalties, fees and deductables that were offered through the exchanges.
One man, who ran his own business was talking about how he was exasperated about the penaties he had to face, that he had no issues until the ACA came along.
No one mentioned Rick Scott in this ad hoc public dialog. They all were looking at POTUS in their irritation. There is obviously more to it than that.
But knowing about the viral video, and then hearing this, I am getting a feeling that people are just frustrated period with the whole thing.
In this case Mr. Scott heard one side of the frustration. I heard the other side today.
Quote from: stephendare on April 08, 2016, 01:04:44 PM
its pretty common actually. with one crucial difference: the Right Wing is violent whereas the Left wing is shouty.
And really, the intent to intimidate all possible criticism by threats, intimidation, violence and sheer out and out bullying has become synonymous with the right wing backers of Donald Trump. They wholly own the trademark at this point.
You really believe this? Because all the things I mentioned & more (the hitting cops with bricks, spitting on people who you oppose, throwing a disabled dude out of his wheelchair who wasn't even doing anything, huge mobs infiltrating private ticketed rallies just to start shit, burning entire city blocks down, rushing stages to do God knows what, etc) has been from those who call themselves liberals. Bit more than shouting there.
But alas, this is getting into a pissing match (and part of the problem I was talking about & the cancer that is the forums). I don't understand why if some of you can recognize the lunatics on the right, you can't do the same for the left. Why is that? Is it really that hard to admit?? Because I'll tell you right now those Trump people who are violent are total idiots.
Now you go. :)
Rick Scott Responds:
https://www.youtube.com/v/wwRx8-Hjlk0
Medicaid, a state program for the poor and underemployed, main concern is the children. When I was laid off because of illness there wasn't a single medicaid program I qualified for, my children however did qualify and received better medical care than I could ever get them under my employer's medical plan. Did I care that I didn't qualify, not just no, but hell no! As I said before medicare was never meant to be given to adults as a right. What I saw in the video was a Laptop computer and what looked like to a healthy, young, white woman. Get a JOB your argument that there aren't any is pure B.S.! If the jobs aren't in Gainville go to where they are. In your defence you say you can't get a job...... Maybe it's you mouth and attitude holding you back.
There ain't no such thing as a free lunch sister and nobody owes you anything.
Quote from: stephendare on April 08, 2016, 04:44:35 PM
Quote from: peestandingup on April 08, 2016, 03:13:54 PM
You really believe this? Because all the things I mentioned & more (the hitting cops with bricks, spitting on people who you oppose, throwing a disabled dude out of his wheelchair who wasn't even doing anything, huge mobs infiltrating private ticketed rallies just to start shit, burning entire city blocks down, rushing stages to do God knows what, etc) has been from those who call themselves liberals. Bit more than shouting there.
So the left wing did all these things?
People who identify as Liberals, yes.
Quote from: peestandingup on April 08, 2016, 04:57:35 PM
Quote from: stephendare on April 08, 2016, 04:44:35 PM
Quote from: peestandingup on April 08, 2016, 03:13:54 PM
You really believe this? Because all the things I mentioned & more (the hitting cops with bricks, spitting on people who you oppose, throwing a disabled dude out of his wheelchair who wasn't even doing anything, huge mobs infiltrating private ticketed rallies just to start shit, burning entire city blocks down, rushing stages to do God knows what, etc) has been from those who call themselves liberals. Bit more than shouting there.
So the left wing did all these things?
People who identify as Liberals, yes.
Liberals are not left wing.
Quote from: peestandingup on April 08, 2016, 03:13:54 PM
Quote from: stephendare on April 08, 2016, 01:04:44 PM
its pretty common actually. with one crucial difference: the Right Wing is violent whereas the Left wing is shouty.
And really, the intent to intimidate all possible criticism by threats, intimidation, violence and sheer out and out bullying has become synonymous with the right wing backers of Donald Trump. They wholly own the trademark at this point.
You really believe this? Because all the things I mentioned & more (the hitting cops with bricks, spitting on people who you oppose, throwing a disabled dude out of his wheelchair who wasn't even doing anything, huge mobs infiltrating private ticketed rallies just to start shit, burning entire city blocks down, rushing stages to do God knows what, etc) has been from those who call themselves liberals. Bit more than shouting there.
But alas, this is getting into a pissing match (and part of the problem I was talking about & the cancer that is the forums). I don't understand why if some of you can recognize the lunatics on the right, you can't do the same for the left. Why is that? Is it really that hard to admit?? Because I'll tell you right now those Trump people who are violent are total idiots.
Now you go. :)
Well, I did. I said abhorrent behavior can come from all sides of the political spectrum. Do you want me to say that people on the left can be violent? Okay. Maybe you should post a link to the ignored mizzou professor calling out for "muscle" as your example of left-leaning bad behavior?
I'm curious about the instances you mention, were these left-leaning political rallies that got out of hand? Did someone conduct an exit survey after a city block was burned and ask the arsonist to identify their political views? Do we know how often these people vote, and if they do which party they're supporting? I didn't realize yuppy ivory tower liberals were so violent. Oh, is that not the stereotype we're rolling within this thread? ::)
You know, it's the tea party-esque right that recently took over a federal facility with guns and were willing to go into shootout mode if necessary.
This isn't a moot discussion. There is a clear distinction in the political mainstreams. One popular political segment is certainly more prone to violence than the rest.
Which brings me back to one of my initial points, there is a special kind of irony for thinking this woman is uncouth when Scott has endorsed Donald Trump. What's worse, PSU, maybe not you, but those who are on the right who are dismayed by Trump will still vote for him.
Quote from: TheCat on April 08, 2016, 05:28:17 PM
I'm curious about the instances you mention, were these left-leaning political rallies that got out of hand? Did someone conduct an exit survey after a city block was burned and ask the arsonist to identify their political views?
Dark skin = liberal.
Just like how scary refugees are somehow the flip side to a redneck gun nut in Jacksonville being shot by her toddler.
Quote from: stephendare on April 08, 2016, 05:12:05 PM
Quote from: peestandingup on April 08, 2016, 04:57:35 PM
Quote from: stephendare on April 08, 2016, 04:44:35 PM
Quote from: peestandingup on April 08, 2016, 03:13:54 PM
You really believe this? Because all the things I mentioned & more (the hitting cops with bricks, spitting on people who you oppose, throwing a disabled dude out of his wheelchair who wasn't even doing anything, huge mobs infiltrating private ticketed rallies just to start shit, burning entire city blocks down, rushing stages to do God knows what, etc) has been from those who call themselves liberals. Bit more than shouting there.
So the left wing did all these things?
People who identify as Liberals, yes.
thats sounds like a qualification.... would you care to provide some links to what you are talking about?
They're as part of the left wing as the bully Trump supporters (you guys are using as examples) are of the right wing. And you're deflecting.
But yes, I'll get you some links. Although this stuff is easily found by simple searches.
Quote from: Adam White on April 08, 2016, 05:34:05 PM
Quote from: TheCat on April 08, 2016, 05:28:17 PM
I'm curious about the instances you mention, were these left-leaning political rallies that got out of hand? Did someone conduct an exit survey after a city block was burned and ask the arsonist to identify their political views?
Dark skin = liberal.
Isn't it interesting your mind automatically goes to race? Very tolerant, very progressive. Let me know your trigger words or phrases & I'll try to refrain from using them.
Actually, the BLM movement has its roots in the Ferguson, Baltimore, etc, um, "demonstrations" lets call them. If you don't wanna say flat out they're Liberals, that's fine (even though most have gone on record of "feelin the Bern" & the left are courting them heavily), but if you think any of them are voting Rep for anyone anywhere then you're def delusional.
Quote from: peestandingup on April 09, 2016, 06:10:30 AM
Quote from: stephendare on April 08, 2016, 05:12:05 PM
Quote from: peestandingup on April 08, 2016, 04:57:35 PM
Quote from: stephendare on April 08, 2016, 04:44:35 PM
Quote from: peestandingup on April 08, 2016, 03:13:54 PM
You really believe this? Because all the things I mentioned & more (the hitting cops with bricks, spitting on people who you oppose, throwing a disabled dude out of his wheelchair who wasn't even doing anything, huge mobs infiltrating private ticketed rallies just to start shit, burning entire city blocks down, rushing stages to do God knows what, etc) has been from those who call themselves liberals. Bit more than shouting there.
So the left wing did all these things?
People who identify as Liberals, yes.
thats sounds like a qualification.... would you care to provide some links to what you are talking about?
They're as part of the left wing as the bully Trump supporters (you guys are using as examples) are of the right wing. And you're deflecting.
But yes, I'll get you some links. Although this stuff is easily found by simple searches.
Quote from: Adam White on April 08, 2016, 05:34:05 PM
Quote from: TheCat on April 08, 2016, 05:28:17 PM
I'm curious about the instances you mention, were these left-leaning political rallies that got out of hand? Did someone conduct an exit survey after a city block was burned and ask the arsonist to identify their political views?
Dark skin = liberal.
Isn't it interesting your mind automatically goes to race? Very tolerant, very progressive. Let me know your trigger words or phrases & I'll try to refrain from using them.
Actually, the BLM movement has its roots in the Ferguson, Baltimore, etc, um, "demonstrations" lets call them. If you don't wanna say flat out they're Liberals, that's fine (even though most have gone on record of "feelin the Bern" & the left are courting them heavily), but if you think any of them are voting Rep for anyone anywhere then you're def delusional.
My mind wouldn't go to race if you didn't equate white redneck gun nuts being shot by toddlers with refugees in Belgium (note: you mentioned refugees,
not terrorists).
Maybe you're the one with the problem.
Also - maybe the rioters aren't going to vote Republican. But that doesn't necessarily make them liberals. Everything seems very black and white with you. Lots of false dichotomies.
Quote from: stephendare on April 08, 2016, 05:12:05 PM
would you care to provide some links to what you are talking about?
Here's the maniac that rushed the stage to try to get to Trump. He's identified as Thomas DiMassimo, a Bernie supporter (and self proclaimed anarchist to boot) accroding to his interview with CNN:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1QL1MmyMhQ
Here's the cop who got smashed with a brick (bottle?) in the streets in Chicago when protestors numbering the thousands shut down Trump's rally (most holding Bernie & BLM signs):
http://i.imgur.com/cbGQSrx.png
Here's the fine guys & gals at the same event blocking an ambulance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyUBwhNzZIU
Here's another guy rushing the stage at the same event:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6x40cu4KIQ
And here's some holding a communist flag (so progressive):
http://i.imgur.com/5JxLuXd.jpg
Here are some blocking the road to a Trump event in AZ (pretty sure you can guess the political leanings of this bunch):
http://i.imgur.com/iVVGt6H.jpg
Here they are yelling at a guy in a wheelchair, making fun of him for being handicapped, etc for just wearing his Trump hat (video doesnt show it, but he later said he was knocked over before this trying to get by them):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUKmKhe72tg
Here some are telling Bernie they're gonna shut him down (how exactly? by force I reckon) if they dont let them have his mic (because that's the way to get your point across):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoRleNh_EEw
There's more if you want more. And I'm not gonna post every time these people inflitrated a private ticketed rally they didnt agree with (there's too many of them), or all the fires set in Ferguson or Baltimore during that period (you can easily find that, and there's loads of them). Nor will I post all the tweets (literally dozens of them) from lefties who are literally threatening to kill Trump, or all those who trespass onto people's private property & steal their campaign signs. But that's all OK, cause Trump's bad, says mean things & screw people's right to support whoever they want. We'll just shut you down if we disagree. As far as many of these people are concerned, democracy has had a good run anyway, time for something new.
You ready to disavow (or even acknowledge) the ugly side of the left yet as I have the right?
Quote from: Adam White on April 09, 2016, 06:34:30 AM
My mind wouldn't go to race if you didn't equate white redneck gun nuts being shot by toddlers with refugees in Belgium.
Reading comprehension. What is it??
Let me lay it out for you since you're having trouble. The point, pretty much during that entire post, was the leftist slant the board seems to take, both with what gets posted, what gets said, and opposition gets run out on rails (I mean, look at the heat I'm taking for just bringing it up).
Now, in case you're stupid (which I don't believe you are, you seem bright) & you can actually step back to view things from a distance rationally, you can see how someone with leftist views will just love (even though they'll never admit it) when stories like the toddler shooting her white gun nut mother happens. It helps them hammer home the idea that guns are bad, everyone who owns them are nut bags, the posts go on with your typical banter, everyone jacks off on the thread feeling super satisfied, the end. Rinse, repeat. Where it happens is irrelevant in this context, and when you consider shit that happens or gets said in different parts of the country/world gets posted here on an almost daily basis in headlines & in the forums.
On the flip side, a major terrorist attack happens in Brussels, which is in a country that over the past several years has had a VERY relaxed view on bringing in people with little to no vetting process from a war torn part of the world, one which happens to have a lot of terriorist activity & Islamist extremism, which some have suspected many of whom were posing as refugees in order to infiltrate European countries, or that they would be radicalized once inside (both have been happening all over Europe). This view towards openness & relaxed borders is seen typically as a liberal stance. But once bad things inevitably happen from policies such as this, they go silent. Or they deflect. But rarely do they ever see the problem with these policies to begin with, or they just don't wanna say for whatever reason. Maybe because we're all the same, lets hold hands under a rainbow, I'm no racist or whatever, yada yada, you get it.
One story had lots of posts & mocked viciously, the other wasn't even made. Why do you think that is? Could've been no one took the time, could've been other things. But keep in mind this was just the first example that popped into my head & that was recent. I'm positive there's tons more examples, I'm just not gonna dig them up or even go that far. People can do that for themselves & form their own conclusions.
Quote from: peestandingup on April 09, 2016, 12:33:14 PM
Quote from: Adam White on April 09, 2016, 06:34:30 AM
My mind wouldn't go to race if you didn't equate white redneck gun nuts being shot by toddlers with refugees in Belgium.
Reading comprehension. What is it??
Let me lay it out for you since you're having trouble. The point, pretty much during that entire post, was the leftist slant the board seems to take, both with what gets posted, what gets said, and opposition gets run out on rails (I mean, look at the heat I'm taking for just bringing it up).
Now, in case you're stupid (which I don't believe you are, you seem bright) & you can actually step back to view things from a distance rationally, you can see how someone with leftist views will just love (even though they'll never admit it) when stories like the toddler shooting her white gun nut mother happens. It helps them hammer home the idea that guns are bad, everyone who owns them are nut bags, the posts go on with your typical banter, everyone jacks off on the thread feeling super satisfied, the end. Rinse, repeat. Where it happens is irrelevant in this context, and when you consider shit that happens or gets said in different parts of the country/world gets posted here on an almost daily basis in headlines & in the forums.
On the flip side, a major terrorist attack happens in Brussels, which is in a country that over the past several years has had a VERY relaxed view on bringing in people with little to no vetting process from a war torn part of the world, one which happens to have a lot of terriorist activity & Islamist extremism, which some have suspected many of whom were posing as refugees in order to infiltrate European countries, or that they would be radicalized once inside (both have been happening all over Europe). This view towards openness & relaxed borders is seen typically as a liberal stance. But once bad things inevitably happen from policies such as this, they go silent. Or they deflect. But rarely do they ever see the problem with these policies to begin with, or they just don't wanna say for whatever reason. Maybe because we're all the same, lets hold hands under a rainbow, I'm no racist or whatever, yada yada, you get it.
One story had lots of posts & mocked viciously, the other wasn't even made. Why do you think that is? Could've been no one took the time, could've been other things. But keep in mind this was just the first example that popped into my head & that was recent. I'm positive there's tons more examples, I'm just not gonna dig them up or even go that far. People can do that for themselves & form their own conclusions.
I didn't realise that terrorism had anything to do with being liberal or conservative. Everyone I know was shocked by the events in Brussels (and Paris - which I seem to recall being discussed on this forum... as well as the shootings in California).
I am sure there are a lot of liberals on this forum and perhaps that is reflected in some of the topics. But not starting a thread about Brussels is hardly indicative of any ideological slant.
As far as 'open borders' are concerned, I don't know many liberals who support open borders. Usually that's more common among the actual left (socialists) and so-called "liberatarians" (right wing idiots).
http://www.amazon.com/Let-Them-In-Case-Borders/dp/1592404316
Quote from: stephendare on April 09, 2016, 12:16:25 PM
PSU you apparently spent a lot of time looking up examples on the web to demonstrate how the left wing is encouraging political violence, so thank you for taking the energy and effort. Ive looked at each of them and Id like to respond to your post.
No worries, mate. You asked nicely. :) And it wasn't that long, just stuff I knew that happened off the top of my head. Like I said, I'll post more if you want more.
QuoteAlso I'm not sure that DiMassimo committed any violence. Certainly neither the police nor the secret service made this claim. He was actually charged with disorderly conduct and inciting a panic.
He didn't commit violence, and hence was never charged with that. But do you really think he was trying to get to Trump to give him a hug??
QuoteThe link you provided simply takes you to a picture of a bleeding cop entitled 'Bernie Supporters Are Assaulting Cops" In researching the story, the cop was not hit with a brick, but with a bottle (not sure where you got brick from). And other than the photo caption that you referenced, no one has made the charge that the bottle was even thrown by a bernie supporter.
The people protesting that event were clearly the instigators, and this is backed up by countless videos. Sure, it technically could've came from anywhere, but you seriously cant buy that those protestors were little angels that day. They came looking for a fight.
QuoteA bit more about that flag..... How is this an example of left inspired violence? And would you consider this to be an example of right endorsed violence?
I just threw it in there to show you the type of people who were there that day.
QuoteFinally, since most of your examples are from the Chicago protest, I think its instructive to look at the following minutes of raw footage starting immediately after the announcement that Trump had cancelled. Its pretty apparent that its thousands of college students, mixed between trump supporters and protestors and everyone is spoiling for a fight.
Sure, that's why they're there. This isn't taking up for the Trump people either BTW. They were ready to throw down as well.
QuoteThe guy is at a protest, where everyone is yelling.
No, the guy didn't come to a protest, he came to a rally that turned into a protest & got mocked for being handicapped. That's not cool, like at all in any way.
QuoteThere is a clue in the last few minutes of the video as he turns the camera down onto his show, where you can see the white power lacings on his doc martens.
Not seeing what you're seeing. Besides, even if he did, do you really think those protestors could see his lacings in the dark? They were motioning to his head/body, not his feet.
Quotebtw. you seem to be stuck on this brussels story. Why didn't you post a thread about it?
Can we assume it was because of your liberal bias?
I was gone for a while, prob not posting anything at all, and honestly don't make too many threads in general anywhere.
QuotePerhaps you could make the case that the incident in Ohio was intimidating to Donald Trump. He certainly looked like he was shitting his pants when it happened. But the same kind of thing happened to Bernie with the BLM kids (and actually over the same issue--anti racism) and he was just irritated.
So, sorry for the lengthy reply, but I think that your examples served rather to show the differences between how the right and left have been viewing violence lately, and Im afraid that the truth is that political violence is pretty much a Trump Brand now.
The difference is the right, aside from a couple KKK, holy rollers or white supremacist ass clowns (who have zero weight, small numbers & no one takes seriously, including the vast majority of Conservatives), never hold "opposition rallies", they never infiltrate other candidates rallies by the thousands (or even at all really), everything doesn't offend them & they usually don't go looking for trouble.
Something tells me if things were switched, and thousands from the right were doing this, invading rallies, rushing Bernie's/Hillary's stage, road blocking, etc, everyone here would be flipping their collective lids. It'd be morning, noon & night posts about it. But obviously, they don't, the left does, so its all good.
And you never tackled Ferguson, Baltimore or Trump's twitter death threats. ;) But yes, not technically violence, just advocating murdering someone is all.
Quote from: stephendare on April 09, 2016, 08:13:57 PM
I also didn't report on any of these examples of right wing/conservative thuggery/skullduggery. Does that mean I have the conservative slant that my liberal critics keep accusing me of having? ;)
If you didn't know it, PSU this is pretty much standard practice by conservatives against liberal and lefty groups.
In fact the term 'astroturfing' was actually coined to describe this kind of shenanigans on the part of Dick Armey.
I never said it didn't happen from the right, just that it isn't as common, esp as it is today (the left protest groups have that pretty much on lock). I mean, you have stuff listed from 15 years ago in those examples. Sure you're gonna find things, never said it didn't exist. Here's some BLM activists from 2014 marching through NYC chanting they want dead cops. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_qkvXLuGsc And here's a comrade assaulting an old man recently (and getting maced for it) at a rally then escorted out by police https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA1S0KQD2W8 Here's some Occupy leaders threatening to burn the city down (he was arrested for making terrorist threats, vid below story) http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/zuccotti-park-protester-nkrumah-tinsley-arrested-threatening-burn-city-article-1.978770 See? We can do this all day.
I just don't why its so hard to admit there's loonies on both sides (as some have in this thread), instead of lambasting one side with a wall of dug up stories over the years & then defending the other. Both extremes are pretty scary IMO.
Quote from: stephendare on April 10, 2016, 10:51:25 AM
PSU Why is it so hard to admit that there is no real equivalency here?
Because there clearly is. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one since its a judgement call.
QuoteI know they don't really cover this in the Alex Jones crowd, which btw, is some of the most slanted media Ive ever seen, while pretending to be ecumenical about their issues (they aren't) but this has always been the hallmark of the Right, and you are literally watching the former campaign director of the Republican front runner threatening to print the hotel rooms and addresses of all the delegates who vote against trump after nearly a hundred various incidents and documentations of violence and beatings at his campaign events.
Doesn't shock me. Roger Stone is basically on the payroll of Alex Jones. Its just flexing for that crowd IMO. As far as "beatings" at Trump events, I think that's a bit dramatic. Almost any I've seen has been more like tussles, with a few punches here & there.
BTW, you should listen to Capitalist Radio sometime. Dude is like a drunken, crazier Alex Jones (and sounds like him). You'll get a kick out of it http://www.blogtalkradio.com/ghost/2016/03/20/true-capitalist-radio-hosted-by-ghost--emergency-broadcast
QuoteBut you seem to be denying the fact that this isn't happening with the 'loonies' anymore on the Right. Its happening in a mainstream campaign and in daily life.
I'm not. But they're not out there everyday rallying against something (whatever it may be, far left is always pissed at something) in large numbers. If you can find some recently, and plentiful, post em. But you could probably find literally dozens from the left just within the past month involving thousands of them.
QuoteAnd also, my old friend, (still have the lunch boxes btw) you can't have it both ways. You can't on the one hand claim that something just doesn't happen all that often and then complain that someone is posting a "wall of dug up stories over the years" when they document the mainstream events that prove the point over the past 16 years. And talk about mainstreaming of violence and intimidation. One of the people responsible for the riots over the 2000 election----Ted Cruz---is actually running for the presidency right now as the 'more moderate' alternative to Donald Trump.
Like I said, show me a couple instances of a handful of righties getting together to actually start some shit & I'll show you thousands of lefties who did just that over the past month. And I never claimed the mainstream right like Cruz was anything other than shitbags. Establishment right, including McCain, has every reason to be shitting their pants.
Lol, the lunchboxes (forgot all about those). Cherish em! I used to carry those in grade school so you've got a little piece of PSU there. :)
QuoteDo you really subscribe so much to this both siderism nonsense that you can't tell the difference?
I know there are some differences, was just saying both extremes are bad news in their own ways. I'm not defending either really, whereas you're defending one & saying no big deal.
There's a difference between peaceful protesting with communist flags & bullying, intimidation, antagonizing & death threats.
QuoteI will listen to capitalist radio, on your suggestion. Sounds fun. Where do I find it?
I put the link to one of his broadcasts in the post before this one. Regardless, http://www.blogtalkradio.com/ghost/2016/03/20/true-capitalist-radio-hosted-by-ghost--emergency-broadcast
Some politicians make attack ads against political opponents. Florida Gov. Rick Scott makes them against, uh, constituents who dare criticize him.
Rick Scott releases an attack ad on a private citizen
In a video that quickly went viral, a woman named Cara Jennings confronted Scott in a Gainesville, Florida Starbucks for signing a bill cutting funding to Planned Parenthood and other providers of women's healthcare. In response, he dissembled and denied and then lectured her on where she should get healthcare. The part that went viral came next.
"You cut Medicaid so I couldn't get Obamacare," Jennings yelled, entirely accurately. "You're an a**shole. You don't care about working people. You should be ashamed to show your face around here."
Scott protested that he had "created a million jobs," a huge and round number that appears to be based on air. Jennings looked around and asked other customers if any of them had one of these great jobs. No one answered.
Jennings again suggested that shame should be his mantle, and Scott left Starbucks latte-less.
By week's end, Scott had unleashed the power of his office and political PAC and released an attack video on Jennings, calling her a "latte liberal," former "anarchist" and someone who "refused to pledge allegiance" when she was a Palm Beach County Commissioner. Because obviously, only an anarchist and a traitor would be upset about the fact that poor women are being denied access to healthcare.
The rest of the attack video bragged about the governor's job creation and said "almost everybody" has a job, "except those who are sitting around coffee shops, demanding public assistance, surfing the Internet, and cursing at customers."
So, that was a mature and dignified way of handling it.
http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/5-unhinged-right-wing-moments-week-gov-rick-scott-hits-stunning-new-low
With social media now, everyone has to retort.(Scott is no exception)
Unfortunately, he made the decision to retort while he was angry and it shows.
I equate his response to a typical email screed that people send when ticked off about something.
If the Gov cant handle a little verbal sparring in a public place, then his skin is pretty thin, even though the "anarchist" was rude.
Quote from: spuwho on April 11, 2016, 11:18:59 AM
With social media now, everyone has to retort.(Scott is no exception)
Unfortunately, he made the decision to retort while he was angry and it shows.
I equate his response to a typical email screed that people send when ticked off about something.
If the Gov cant handle a little verbal sparring in a public place, then his skin is pretty thin, even though the "anarchist" was rude.
Yeah, you'd hope the Governor would take the high road as that befits his office. I guess he's only human, but I wonder how his advisers feel about this.
Here's the video of Gov Scott's response from last week.
Quote from: thelakelander on April 08, 2016, 04:27:46 PM
Rick Scott Responds:
https://www.youtube.com/v/wwRx8-Hjlk0
Quote from: spuwho on April 11, 2016, 11:18:59 AM
If the Gov cant handle a little verbal sparring in a public place, then his skin is pretty thin, even though the "anarchist" was rude.
The problem was she was screaming the whole time, at everyone, and didn't give him a chance. Again, these are typical tactics from many on the fringes, right or left. She obviously didn't want to have a civil debate. And before anyone says "He wouldn't give her or anyone a chance!" Well, did she try asking him? He was right there. And the social media tards cheering her on seem like they think whoever screams the loudest wins. Again, typical. "I don't like you so I'm gonna shout you down then smile like I did something." Nah, asking him for his time then destroying him calmly with real discussion would've been doing something.
Not taking up for Scott, but I don't see a problem with his video response under the circumstances he was presented with. I don't need an opinion article or comments section telling me what I should think to see that.
There is a bill of indictments against Gov. Rick Scott's two terms that is book-ended by two significant facts: 1) Rick Scott is running the least transparent government in modern Florida history. He has turned the executive office into a place as insular as the Kremlin. 2) Every single moment of Rick Scott's political life is scripted. He will not answer a question publicly if the answer veers off script.
By this, what Rick Scott is saying to Floridians is -- in two words -- Fuck you.
I generally hold elected officials to a higher standard. They are professionals (of a sort) and should act that way.
I wouldn't have had an issue if Scott had lost his temper and yelled at the woman at the time - he's only human, after all. But to take the time to actually make a video - no. That's childish and not the kind of behavior I'd expect from a Governor.
LOL
http://www.hearstdigitalstudios.com/videos/570c382abbddbd0c153c4392/view
^^^Does one (this thread) have anything to do with the other (a Trump rally)? Don't think so...