Just a reach to those in the MJ universe, or at least those in Florida, please vote!!
If you are conscientious objector to voting, I would like to offer a small remark that many men and women have supported your right to object over the history of our country.
If you choose to not make it to the voting booth, please remember those who supported your right to do so.
GO VOTE!
Take advantage of the most powerful tool to manage government.
Quote from: spuwho on March 15, 2016, 09:45:34 AM
Just a reach to those in the MJ universe, or at least those in Florida, please vote!!
If you are conscientious objector to voting, I would like to offer a small remark that many men and women have supported your right to object over the history of our country.
If you choose to not make it to the voting booth, please remember those who supported your right to do so.
GO VOTE!
Take advantage of the most powerful tool to manage government.
That's barely true, to be honest. Most wars fought by the USA had nothing to do with protecting American rights. Although one could argue that had the Nazis or Imperial Japan won the Second World War, the USA might've eventually found itself in peril - but there is no way to know that (and it's highly unlikely). That's not to say we shouldn't have fought that war - just that it wasn't about protecting our way of life.
That aside, voting is a waste of time if you don't like any of the candidates. It's like choosing between being shot or electrocuted - what kind of choice is that?
Not voting - and the right or choice not to vote - is just as important as voting. One might argue that it's more important, because if you think the system is broken or rigged, you can make more of a statement by not voting than by voting and giving an air of legitimacy to the whole charade.
If we had open primaries, I would oblige you. Unfortunately, registered as an independent I have nothing to vote for.
I did have the opportunity to change affiliation, but missed the deadline due to travel.
Quote from: Adam White on March 15, 2016, 11:36:25 AM
Quote from: spuwho on March 15, 2016, 09:45:34 AM
Just a reach to those in the MJ universe, or at least those in Florida, please vote!!
If you are conscientious objector to voting, I would like to offer a small remark that many men and women have supported your right to object over the history of our country.
If you choose to not make it to the voting booth, please remember those who supported your right to do so.
GO VOTE!
Take advantage of the most powerful tool to manage government.
That's barely true, to be honest. Most wars fought by the USA had nothing to do with protecting American rights. Although one could argue that had the Nazis or Imperial Japan won the Second World War, the USA might've eventually found itself in peril - but there is no way to know that (and it's highly unlikely). That's not to say we shouldn't have fought that war - just that it wasn't about protecting our way of life.
I'd say Pearl Harbor and the Nazis' subsequent declaration of war against the U.S. were pretty clear and direct threats.
Quote from: Adam White on March 15, 2016, 11:36:25 AM
That aside, voting is a waste of time if you don't like any of the candidates. It's like choosing between being shot or electrocuted - what kind of choice is that?
Not voting - and the right or choice not to vote - is just as important as voting. One might argue that it's more important, because if you think the system is broken or rigged, you can make more of a statement by not voting than by voting and giving an air of legitimacy to the whole charade.
If people don't want to vote, fine, but pretending it's some kind of noble act is silly.
Interesting that people think of wars.....I was thinking of Susan B. Anthony, Voting Rights Act, the framers of the Constitution, etc.
Both are part of our collective history and worth remembering.
Go Vote!
Quote from: spuwho on March 15, 2016, 12:09:49 PM
Interesting that people think of wars.....I was thinking of Susan B. Anthony, Voting Rights Act, the framers of the Constitution, etc.
Both are part of our collective history and worth remembering.
Go Vote!
+1000
Quote from: spuwho on March 15, 2016, 12:09:49 PM
Interesting that people think of wars.....I was thinking of Susan B. Anthony, Voting Rights Act, the framers of the Constitution, etc.
Both are part of our collective history and worth remembering.
Go Vote!
I suppose my mind went there because you used the term "conscientious objector".
My bad.
Quote from: Adam White on March 15, 2016, 12:18:15 PM
Quote from: spuwho on March 15, 2016, 12:09:49 PM
Interesting that people think of wars.....I was thinking of Susan B. Anthony, Voting Rights Act, the framers of the Constitution, etc.
Both are part of our collective history and worth remembering.
Go Vote!
I suppose my mind went there because you used the term "conscientious objector".
My bad.
No worries, I can see where you could get that. They too are worth remembering.
I voted after work, but not enthusiastically.
I have decided our primary system is a bunch of bullshit. The two party system has run its course and is no longer relevant. Some states vote first, some have caucuses, some allow switching parties before the vote, some allow independents to vote, some states are take-all delegates, and some have split delegates, and then there are superdelegates! Seriously?
In an era where Republicans want everyone to have a photo ID to vote because of their made-up voter fraud stories, how is our entire system not just one big fraud? We should all vote for our primary choices on one day. And let's get rid of the two party system. Clearly all it has evolved into is a dysfunctional system where nothing positive ever gets done. And some wonder why Americans are pissed off and disenfranchised. ::)
I'm not pledged to a party, so I get no voice in these votes.
All those people who died for freedom? Yeah, that freedom's long gone. You guys keep on supporting a duopoly that forces out any competition.
Quote from: ErikSetzer on March 16, 2016, 10:35:54 AM
I'm not pledged to a party, so I get no voice in these votes.
Same for me.
Quote from: brainstormer on March 15, 2016, 07:34:42 PMI have decided our primary system is a bunch of bullshit.
Preach. Not that I love the Republican's system, but the Democrats is totally crazy. What the hell is a superdelegate (I do know, so asking a little rhetorically)? I think Iowa's democratic caucus is a microcosm of people's frustration: Sanders beat Clinton, 49.84% to 49.59% (O'Malley got the rest). As a result, Sanders got 23 Delegates, Clinton 21. But...now we have SUPERDELEGATES! Of Iowa's 8 Superdelegates that can seeming do whatever they want, 7 have backed Clinton. The final result will either be 29-23 or 28-24 in favor of Clinton.
Good representation of the desires of the Iowa Democrats!
There will never be a perfect candidate. No matter how many political parties we might have, the chances of one of them exactly mirroring your particular worldview is slim. Both of the major parties have long been co-opted at the top by corporate interests, but there are differences around the edges, and influencing those differences is preferable to no influence at all. Does anyone really believe that there would be zero difference between an America ruled by a President Trump and one ruled by a President Sanders? By not voting, that is what you're saying.
Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on March 16, 2016, 12:07:50 PM
Quote from: Adam White on March 15, 2016, 11:36:25 AM
That aside, voting is a waste of time if you don't like any of the candidates. It's like choosing between being shot or electrocuted - what kind of choice is that?
Not voting - and the right or choice not to vote - is just as important as voting. One might argue that it's more important, because if you think the system is broken or rigged, you can make more of a statement by not voting than by voting and giving an air of legitimacy to the whole charade.
SHOUT OUT TO MY VOTE FOR JIM GILMORE YESTERDAY /not even joking
I was going to ask who that is - but then I went ahead and checked Wikipedia. At first, I thought you were referring to that country singer.
Quote from: finehoe on March 16, 2016, 02:16:32 PM
There will never be a perfect candidate. No matter how many political parties we might have, the chances of one of them exactly mirroring your particular worldview is slim. Both of the major parties have long been co-opted at the top by corporate interests, but there are differences around the edges, and influencing those differences is preferable to no influence at all. Does anyone really believe that there would be zero difference between an America ruled by a President Trump and one ruled by a President Sanders? By not voting, that is what you're saying.
When a socialist candidate is running in a primary, I might well vote for him or her. Until that day, I won't bother.
Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on March 16, 2016, 04:12:59 PM
Quote from: Adam White on March 16, 2016, 02:17:03 PM
Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on March 16, 2016, 12:07:50 PM
Quote from: Adam White on March 15, 2016, 11:36:25 AM
That aside, voting is a waste of time if you don't like any of the candidates. It's like choosing between being shot or electrocuted - what kind of choice is that?
Not voting - and the right or choice not to vote - is just as important as voting. One might argue that it's more important, because if you think the system is broken or rigged, you can make more of a statement by not voting than by voting and giving an air of legitimacy to the whole charade.
SHOUT OUT TO MY VOTE FOR JIM GILMORE YESTERDAY /not even joking
I was going to ask who that is - but then I went ahead and checked Wikipedia. At first, I thought you were referring to that country singer.
Nah, just some dude I knew had dropped out of the race. Despite my quite liberal leanings, I am registered Republican for professional reasons, which I had actually forgotten when I showed up to vote yesterday. Couldn't bring myself to vote for any of the "real" candidates.
Registered Republican for professional reasons? Are you a slumlord or a sweatshop owner or something?
Write your state representatives/senators and tell them to allow Independents to vote in the primary of their choice.
Quote from: Adam White on March 15, 2016, 11:36:25 AM
Quote from: spuwho on March 15, 2016, 09:45:34 AM
Just a reach to those in the MJ universe, or at least those in Florida, please vote!!
If you are conscientious objector to voting, I would like to offer a small remark that many men and women have supported your right to object over the history of our country.
If you choose to not make it to the voting booth, please remember those who supported your right to do so.
GO VOTE!
Take advantage of the most powerful tool to manage government.
That's barely true, to be honest. Most wars fought by the USA had nothing to do with protecting American rights. Although one could argue that had the Nazis or Imperial Japan won the Second World War, the USA might've eventually found itself in peril - but there is no way to know that (and it's highly unlikely). That's not to say we shouldn't have fought that war - just that it wasn't about protecting our way of life.
That aside, voting is a waste of time if you don't like any of the candidates. It's like choosing between being shot or electrocuted - what kind of choice is that?
Not voting - and the right or choice not to vote - is just as important as voting. One might argue that it's more important, because if you think the system is broken or rigged, you can make more of a statement by not voting than by voting and giving an air of legitimacy to the whole charade.
Actually the statement is very true as I read it. First there was no mention of these men and women fighting in a war but understand that if our troops had not fought back after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor or entered into WWI to fight the Nazi war for global dominance, we well could be living in a nation with no voting rights what-so-ever. It is also true that women fought, some were jailed and some died fighting for a woman's right to vote in this country.
The right to vote should not be ignored, not ever. Even if you do not like any of the candidates because like them or not one or another will be voted into office. Your vote can in fact be part of a stop gap measure from allowing the wrong person to be voted in. This election cycle is a great example. With a GOP filed of less than stellar candidates and the looming possibility of a Trump or Cruz in office, not voting is completely irresponsible and can lead to great damage by voter defaulT.
Note: I notice others in this thread have the same insight on this. :)
Quote from: Steve on March 16, 2016, 11:53:54 AM
Quote from: brainstormer on March 15, 2016, 07:34:42 PMI have decided our primary system is a bunch of bullshit.
Preach. Not that I love the Republican's system, but the Democrats is totally crazy. What the hell is a superdelegate (I do know, so asking a little rhetorically)? I think Iowa's democratic caucus is a microcosm of people's frustration: Sanders beat Clinton, 49.84% to 49.59% (O'Malley got the rest). As a result, Sanders got 23 Delegates, Clinton 21. But...now we have SUPERDELEGATES! Of Iowa's 8 Superdelegates that can seeming do whatever they want, 7 have backed Clinton. The final result will either be 29-23 or 28-24 in favor of Clinton.
Good representation of the desires of the Iowa Democrats!
You got that right Steve. The super delegate system was put into place by the DNC political establishment as a way to inoculate themselves from a grassroots candidate campaign. A perfect example is Bernie Sanders, whom establishment Dem's want to stop.
Quote from: vicupstate on March 16, 2016, 04:30:41 PM
Write your state representatives/senators and tell them to allow Independents to vote in the primary of their choice.
What we need is legislation to allow Florida to be an open Primary state. That would mean all people regardless of party can vote in a primary. Remember Independents is not an "other" category but actually a party designation. NPA are no party affiliation folks with several hundred little known but viable parties nationwide that are registered to vote.