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Jackson Street elevation
7-story project includes 129 - 1 bedroom units, 12 - 1 bedroom townhomes, 55 - 2 bedroom units, 1 - 2 bedroom townhome and 17,000 square feet of retail/leasing center.
Project goes before the DDRB for conceptual review next week.
220 is 5 stories right?
Nice! Any expected timeline on this?
I'm surprised they aren't going for at least a couple of more floors with the popularity of the area. I believe Lake once said that the highest a wood structure can go is 7 floors, so that is probably why. I really like the inclusion of townhome apartments. It will provide additional options for the area. Can't wait to see what they land for the retail spaces.
Always good to see the area blossoming. I guess, now, that monorail expansion to brooklyn is practically a shoe-in... right?
Quote from: brainstormer on February 12, 2016, 08:28:02 PM
I'm surprised they aren't going for at least a couple of more floors with the popularity of the area. I believe Lake once said that the highest a wood structure can go is 7 floors, so that is probably why. I really like the inclusion of townhome apartments. It will provide additional options for the area. Can't wait to see what they land for the retail spaces.
They can go higher than that in wood it just becomes really uneconomical and unconventional. Better to go steel or concrete after that. Typically it is 5 stories max with conventional wood bearing walls and framing. If you go taller than that there is typically a floor or two of concrete construction at the base like 220 and what this one will be.
I really wish someone would make 3 bedrooms.
Are there any other renderings?
Yes. Lots of renderings and floor plans. I'm planning to upload and run the entire DDRB presentation for Monday's main story.
Quote from: thelakelander on February 13, 2016, 05:42:44 PM
Yes. Lots of renderings and floor plans. I'm planning to upload and run the entire DDRB presentation for Monday's main story.
how exciting!
Design not great. Their current building could be in suburbia.
Quote from: Kay on February 13, 2016, 06:16:21 PM
Design not great. Their current building could be in suburbia.
What the core needs right now is more apartment options and more young people living in and around downtown. These are not the same suburban type complexes you are seeing mostly on the southside. They are something that is an attempt at a more urban design filling the void of something that is completely lacking in the core . . . modern medium rise style with modern amenities that are more affordable than the southbank condo towers. I don't think it's the greatest design but I have absolutely no problem with the product. They have incorporated the parking withing the building itself which is probably one of the most important aspects that separates it from the traditional suburban model. Also, three sides of it front a street, which also separates it from the suburban model. I wouldn't be so critical when there is nothing else of its kind currently going on in the core.
Quote from: Kay on February 13, 2016, 06:16:21 PM
Design not great. Their current building could be in suburbia.
It's better than most of what has been built recently. I'll hold my feelings on 200 for when I see the full renderings, but I think this will address the street better than 220.
Brooklyn's Latest Project: 200 Riverside
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Read More: http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2016-feb-brooklyns-latest-project-200-riverside
Definitely a step in the right direction in terms of how it interacts with the street/surroundings - it's better than 220. According to the renderings, all of Riverside Ave is Retail/Garage Entrance, Jackson is Retail/Leasing/Townhomes, and Magnolia is Townhomes/Garbage (not sexy but has to go somewhere)/Garage Exit. The 220 Development has exposed garage largely on Riverside and Magnolia. I also like how it directly abuts 220.
The aesthetics aren't exactly my taste, but that's a matter of personal preference; I'm more concerned about how it addresses the street. Obviously this is conceptual, but I like what I see so far.
Imo, great site layout. Out of 220 Riverside, Brooklyn Riverside, the YMCA and Brooklyn Station, how it meets and integrates with the surrounding streets is head and shoulders above the others.
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With the continuous line of retail/dining facing Riverside Ave, it creates a pedestrian friendly environment that bleeds across Jackson to include Corner Bakery Cafe in the Brooklyn Station block. As for the architecture, I'm not stressed about it either way. Although I have no idea on how they will age, this particular stretch isn't a historic environment anymore, so the cement panel siding adds another style to an architecturally diversifying district. Here's a few examples of similar styled/scaled buildings in Boston (Cambridge) and Minneapolis.
1075 Mass Avenue (mixed-use project near Harvard) - Cambridge, MA
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Third North - Minneapolis, MN
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QuoteProject Type: New Construction Multi-family
Challenge: To create a modern-feeling façade without contrasting too much with the surrounding neighborhood.
Solution: Fiber cement panels used in a blend of six colors offers a shape and pattern reminiscent of nearby historic brick buildings and warehouses.
Results: Third North Apartments complements the varying elevations and facades of the neighborhood while bringing a fresh look to the streetscape.
Minneapolis' North Loop neighborhood, like many close-in urban environments, is a community in transition. Over the past decade, property owners and developers have gradually blended and adapted historic buildings and warehouses with new residential blocks and modern amenities. Respecting the existing aesthetics while addressing the wishes and needs of a younger generation were key goals for the developers of Third North, a 204-unit apartment complex completed in December 2013. The resulting six-story building manages to pay homage to existing structures without feeling dated.
A warehouse-like massing and the structure's position abutting the sidewalk on three sides reflect the frontage of nearby warehouses, many of which have been adapted into office space or condos. The building's U shape conceals residential features— including green space, a dog run, and pool—in the center and rear. Cladding selection also played a key role. The designers specified 18 inch by 6 foot fiber cement architectural wall panels in a blend of six colors—divided into swaths of reds and swaths of grays—that combine with a rectilinear shape to complement nearby brick. Simultaneously, the panels' large, smooth scale and nod to metal help the overall look tilt toward the contemporary.
"The panels have rectangular dimensions, and we have shades of red and gray," says Maureen Michalski, senior project manager for Schafer Richardson, developer of ThirdNorth. "It mirrors the colors of the brick and concrete on nearby historic buildings, but is a fresh, modern take off of it. The use of stacked bond also helps in this regard."
Moving forward with the material wasn't completely straightforward, however. Prior to the Third North project, the city of Minneapolis didn't allow fiber cement to cover more than 30% of a building's façade. The architects submitted for an exception, and aided by a hidden fastening system and the performance of an integrated rainscreen which allows water to drain away, the proposed fiber cement panels received an allowance. In the end, the city and the community were equally pleased with the finished product
http://continuingeducation.bnpmedia.com/article_print.php?L=332&C=1210
Looks good. I only wish 220 had turned out like that.
I'm hoping this will play into the buyer of the current YMCA property, in terms of best land use. I feel like that's a big project to determine what the corridor looks like.
The next step is the two grass parcels on the Haskell property. My understanding is that there were always buildings planned there; they just never happened.
How far away do you think we are from developing the two nasty surface lots on either side of the YMCA?
Also, what's up with all of the new developments requesting significantly less parking than required?
Quote from: Steve on February 15, 2016, 10:55:33 AM
I'm hoping this will play into the buyer of the current YMCA property, in terms of best land use. I feel like that's a big project to determine what the corridor looks like.
The next step is the two grass parcels on the Haskell property. My understanding is that there were always buildings planned there; they just never happened.
The haskell property is enormous. I never fully realized it until a couple weeks ago when I walked from the riverwalk to Riverside Ave along the property's east edge. There is so much green space there. Using google earth, it looks like about 2 acres of green space at the front of the property in total. Each side of the driveway is about 300 feet wide by 150 feet deep. If they reconfigured the parking they could open up even more space, but I bet that is unlikely.
Haskell and the Times-Union property present tremendous opportunities, that are doubtful to ever happen in the near future. Now that the old courthouse parking lot will cease to exist, the T-U site would be the preferred site for a Convention Center, not that a CC will ever happen anyway.
A convention center still works at the courthouse site without the parking lot (assuming the Hyatt's meeting space is included). Most of the later concepts didn't include the parking lot because of its structural issues.
Quote from: jaxjaguar on February 15, 2016, 11:24:18 AM
How far away do you think we are from developing the two nasty surface lots on either side of the YMCA?
The one south of the YMCA (and St. Joe) is the Florida Blue Parking lot. I don't know that I see this one happening for a while - not sure I get their motivation to sell (other than just being a good neighbor and a one-time cash influx). The one to the north I'm not sure of the owner (owned by an LLC and used at the moment by the YMCA) and the Haskell Property I think could happen. They aren't really being used for anything at the moment, so I think if someone made Haskell an offer for the grass it might be an option.
Quote from: jaxjaguar on February 15, 2016, 11:24:18 AM
Also, what's up with all of the new developments requesting significantly less parking than required?
Parking is expensive to provide. I get get a lot more revenue from an apartment or retail space then a parking space. This is a good thing - parking doesn't help density.
Quote from: Steve on February 15, 2016, 01:50:43 PM
Quote from: jaxjaguar on February 15, 2016, 11:24:18 AM
Also, what's up with all of the new developments requesting significantly less parking than required?
Parking is expensive to provide. I get get a lot more revenue from an apartment or retail space then a parking space. This is a good thing - parking doesn't help density.
There's no reason a downtown apartment building should be required to have twice as many parking spots as bedrooms, especially for single rooms and studio apartments. There's still more than one spot for each bedroom, and doubles still have two spots.
They're adding more retail parking than required, meaning spots that are flexible through the day, rather than being tied to residents so that they sit empty whenever the resident is away. Sounds reasonable for the current dynamics of urban Jax.
^Agreed. Bell Riverside provides two spaces per bedroom and it's way overkill (so 6 spaces for the three bedroom units). The top deck of the garage might have 10 cars on it (it holds probably 80).
Environmental soil testing being done today. I didn't have my phone with me or I would have taken some pics.
Also, can this thread be moved to the Brooklyn section?
Curious if anyone knows when construction is scheduled to begin on 200 Riverside?
Hope it will be finished soon ;D
Just saw on JBJ Twitter that at their breakfast this morning it was announced this project is moving forward. It will be a 10 story building and will be called Vista Brooklyn.
Quote from: edjax on December 06, 2016, 09:09:38 AM
Just saw on JBJ Twitter that at their breakfast this morning it was announced this project is moving forward. It will be a 10 story building and will be called Vista Brooklyn.
Late night phone call this weekend:
Shady assistant: "Sir, sorry to wake you, but we've done it. The Corner Bakery has folded."
Evil developer: "Excellent. Excellllllent. Pull the trigger.... and add three stories."
(Both men laugh maniacally)
P.S. GREAT NEWS.
Quote from: edjax on December 06, 2016, 09:09:38 AM
Just saw on JBJ Twitter that at their breakfast this morning it was announced this project is moving forward. It will be a 10 story building and will be called Vista Brooklyn.
So the new design will have to be reviewed, right?
Quote from: vicupstate on December 06, 2016, 10:18:02 AM
Quote from: edjax on December 06, 2016, 09:09:38 AM
Just saw on JBJ Twitter that at their breakfast this morning it was announced this project is moving forward. It will be a 10 story building and will be called Vista Brooklyn.
So the new design will have to be reviewed, right?
Yes, they've already submitted the revisions to DIA and the vertical addition will need to go back through the formal review process. Will have the new site plan, etc up as soon as they make it available.
Quote from: fieldafm on December 06, 2016, 10:45:48 AM
Quote from: vicupstate on December 06, 2016, 10:18:02 AM
Quote from: edjax on December 06, 2016, 09:09:38 AM
Just saw on JBJ Twitter that at their breakfast this morning it was announced this project is moving forward. It will be a 10 story building and will be called Vista Brooklyn.
So the new design will have to be reviewed, right?
Yes, they've already submitted the revisions to DIA and the vertical addition will need to go back through the formal review process. Will have the new site plan, etc up as soon as they make it available.
Is the basic architecture expected to be the same and it is just taller?
Good news! Vista will have some good views of the river.
Were they originally planning to go with wood like 220? Seems like adding 3 stories the construction method would need to change.
Not sure if Florida has any special rules, but wood construction buildings have been popping up 10+ stories agreeing the world recently because wood is cheap and so are builders.... Hopefully they don't cheap out on this.
Renderings:
http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2016/12/06/exclusive-this-could-be-the-first-highrise.html
I'd be mighty impressed if they put a pool on the roof of a 10 story wood building ;D
I guess they aren't counting the Weaver Tower at Baptist? That one was completed in late 2012.
Any other way to see rendering? Cant get that link to work. thanks
^Here you go, Keith!
http://jacksonville.com/business/2016-12-06/jacksonville-get-10-story-apartment-tower-riverside-avenue
I'm wondering how long it's going to be until we see something come up on the east side of Riverside 8)
Quote from: KenFSU on December 06, 2016, 05:05:10 PM
^Here you go, Keith!
http://jacksonville.com/business/2016-12-06/jacksonville-get-10-story-apartment-tower-riverside-avenue
Thanks :) not bad looking at all,
It will be built out of concrete:
http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2016/12/06/exclusive-this-could-be-the-first-highrise.html
The comments calling this 10 story building a tower and a high rise......are very comical.......
Quote from: tpot on December 08, 2016, 06:20:47 PM
The comments calling this 10 story building a tower and a high rise......are very comical.......
I believe the article states why it is classified a high rise as in excess of 75 feet for the top occupied floor. Which is what defines a high rise in most building codes and fire protection agencies/ratings. Obviously not your idea of a high rise , but best to use an acceptable term than just what each individual may think.
Well, I think this really speaks to how far JAX is behind most other cities.....when a 10 story apartment building is a big deal and called a tower and a new 7-11 downtown makes the news........
Quote from: edjax on December 08, 2016, 07:19:57 PM
Quote from: tpot on December 08, 2016, 06:20:47 PM
The comments calling this 10 story building a tower and a high rise......are very comical.......
I believe the article states why it is classified a high rise as in excess of 75 feet for the top occupied floor. Which is what defines a high rise in most building codes and fire protection agencies/ratings. Obviously not your idea of a high rise , but best to use an acceptable term than just what each individual may think.
Yes, the article quite literally states it meets the criteria. But some people just want to poopoo everything.
Quote from: pierre on December 09, 2016, 08:42:02 AM
Quote from: edjax on December 08, 2016, 07:19:57 PM
Quote from: tpot on December 08, 2016, 06:20:47 PM
The comments calling this 10 story building a tower and a high rise......are very comical.......
I believe the article states why it is classified a high rise as in excess of 75 feet for the top occupied floor. Which is what defines a high rise in most building codes and fire protection agencies/ratings. Obviously not your idea of a high rise , but best to use an acceptable term than just what each individual may think.
Yes, the article quite literally states it meets the criteria. But some people just want to poopoo everything.
A superiority complex often compensates for an inferiority complex.
Technically a high rise is any building characterized by height and constructed in a way to support that. Buildings that must be constructed from steel and concrete to support the load of numerous floors and which must utilize elevators to convey people to the upper floors are high rises. 75 feet is where you start to run into these attributes, so that benchmark has been established.
Above 20 stories you start to get into the area where something could technically be considered a skyscraper, but the practical description of such depends largely on context and proportions of the building. The 22 story capitol building in Tallahassee gives the appearance of a skyscraper because it is constructed on a geological high point, is slender and taller in its proportions, and is not surrounded by any buildings of significant height. Put the same building in Jax or Miami and it will look much smaller.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on December 09, 2016, 09:26:48 AM
Technically a high rise is any building characterized by height and constructed in a way to support that. Buildings that must be constructed from steel and concrete to support the load of numerous floors and which must utilize elevators to convey people to the upper floors are high rises. 75 feet is where you start to run into these attributes, so that benchmark has been established.
Above 20 stories you start to get into the area where something could technically be considered a skyscraper, but the practical description of such depends largely on context and proportions of the building. The 22 story capitol building in Tallahassee gives the appearance of a skyscraper because it is constructed on a geological high point, is slender and taller in its proportions, and is not surrounded by any buildings of significant height. Put the same building in Jax or Miami and it will look much smaller.
FYI-- On the skyscraperpage.com website, "Data" tab, gives the definition of "Highrise" as a multi-floored building of at least 12 stories OR 115 ft in height. A good website with forum and diagrams. Check it out if you haven't already. It ranks Jacksonville as 208th worldwide as far as number of highrises with 63 highrises. By comparison Miami ranks 44th with 332 HR, Tampa 156th with 87 HR & Orlando 163rd with 81HR.
The only term with a specific non-subjective definition is super-tall, which is anything over 1000'. The terms high rise, midrise, low rise are all subjective and very from city to city and even across time in the same city. Typically these are identified by their relationship to the thickness of the urban fabric. Low rise would be anything in the 1 to 3 story range. Midrise would be anything that makes up the bulk of the urban fabric. High rise/skyscraper in turn would be anything that sticks up out of the urban fabric. A high rise today could just be a midrise in 5 years if the urban fabric thickens. As an example, the Florida Blue building in Brooklyn is a high rise where it is now, because it stand above all the surrounding buildings, but if it was moved into the urban core it would just be a midrise.
Quote from: Kerry on March 17, 2017, 12:39:04 AM
The only term with a specific non-subjective definition is super-tall, which is anything over 1000'. The terms high rise, midrise, low rise are all subjective and very from city to city and even across time in the same city. Typically these are identified by their relationship to the thickness of the urban fabric. Low rise would be anything in the 1 to 3 story range. Midrise would be anything that makes up the bulk of the urban fabric. High rise/skyscraper in turn would be anything that sticks up out of the urban fabric. A high rise today could just be a midrise in 5 years if the urban fabric thickens. As an example, the Florida Blue building in Brooklyn is a high rise where it is now, because it stand above all the surrounding buildings, but if it was moved into the urban core it would just be a midrise.
The definition of highrise given on skyscraper page is as non-subjective as this supertall definition as it also gives numerical quantities "...at least 12 stories or 115 ft". Those are objectively verifiable quantities at or above which a building may be considered a highrise.
Quote from: howfam on March 17, 2017, 07:50:58 AM
Quote from: Kerry on March 17, 2017, 12:39:04 AM
The only term with a specific non-subjective definition is super-tall, which is anything over 1000'. The terms high rise, midrise, low rise are all subjective and very from city to city and even across time in the same city. Typically these are identified by their relationship to the thickness of the urban fabric. Low rise would be anything in the 1 to 3 story range. Midrise would be anything that makes up the bulk of the urban fabric. High rise/skyscraper in turn would be anything that sticks up out of the urban fabric. A high rise today could just be a midrise in 5 years if the urban fabric thickens. As an example, the Florida Blue building in Brooklyn is a high rise where it is now, because it stand above all the surrounding buildings, but if it was moved into the urban core it would just be a midrise.
The definition of highrise given on skyscraper page is as non-subjective as this supertall definition as it also gives numerical quantities "...at least 12 stories or 115 ft". Those are objectively verifiable quantities at or above which a building may be considered a highrise.
That is how that website defines them but there is not an industry wide accepted definition. As Kerry noted, many entities, be them cities, construction firms, web sites, etc..., may have their own definition but none are "official".
They are qualitative terms, not quantitative. If someone is trying to apply a specific defined value to them I don't know any other way to say it than to just say - they're wrong. It's like trying to apply numerical values to terms like "fewest", "fewer", "more", and "most". They are relative.
Permit has been filed for Vista Brooklyn:
http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/the-mathis-report-amazon-signs-on-the-way-up-permit-filed-for-vista-brooklyn
I assume the beer garden is not going to be a public thing?
Quote from: KenFSU on June 28, 2017, 10:50:37 AM
Permit has been filed for Vista Brooklyn:
http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/the-mathis-report-amazon-signs-on-the-way-up-permit-filed-for-vista-brooklyn
Any idea on their timetable for turning dirt?
Gotta get the filed permits approved first. The fact that permits have been filed is a good thing though. It means construction is near. With that said, you can always have hiccups (Ex. East San Marco).
So for a project like this, how long does it take for the permits to get approved? Is nine months within the normal range? Or have the permits been approved and the developers are waiting for some reason?
Purely speculation, but Hallmark Partners announced 200 Riverside/Vista Brooklyn shortly after completion of their similar mixed-use project, 220 Riverside, next door.
The woes of the 18,000 SF of retail at 220 Riverside have been well documented, with Sbraga closing quickly, the other restaurants struggling, and Hallmark having to turn over the entire retail section of the development to the bank under threat of foreclosure. Hallmark eventually sold their share of the apartments as well.
As recently as December, Hallmark has said that they're still committed to breaking ground on Vista Brooklyn in 2018, but I wouldn't be surprised if they have cold feet, particularly since Vista Brooklyn features another 13,000 square feet of retail in an area that already struggles with foot traffic:
(http://www.jdavisarchitects.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/VistaBrooklyn_Cam1_HD_090817-edited-JFK_Large.jpg)
Quote from: KenFSU on March 20, 2018, 06:03:49 PM
Purely speculation, but Hallmark Partners announced 200 Riverside/Vista Brooklyn shortly after completion of their similar mixed-use project, 220 Riverside, next door.
The woes of the 18,000 SF of retail at 220 Riverside have been well documented, with Sbraga closing quickly, the other restaurants struggling, and Hallmark having to turn over the entire retail section of the development to the bank under threat of foreclosure. Hallmark eventually sold their share of the apartments as well.
As recently as December, Hallmark has said that they're still committed to breaking ground on Vista Brooklyn in 2018, but I wouldn't be surprised if they have cold feet, particularly since Vista Brooklyn features another 13,000 square feet of retail in an area that already struggles with foot traffic:
(http://www.jdavisarchitects.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/VistaBrooklyn_Cam1_HD_090817-edited-JFK_Large.jpg)
Maybe if the design of the retail wasn't way off the street and not viewable from Riverside, they would be doing almost as well as the retail next door.
The issue with 220 is that the retail doesn't address the street. Also, you had people managing the retail that didn't understand how to manage retail or draw customers. Finally, the retail that was there was way too ambitious for the lack of infill in the area. Blaze Pizza would probably do much better in the area than the current pizza place.
Quote from: KenFSU on March 20, 2018, 06:03:49 PMAs recently as December, Hallmark has said that they're still committed to breaking ground on Vista Brooklyn in 2018, but I wouldn't be surprised if they have cold feet, particularly since Vista Brooklyn features another 13,000 square feet of retail in an area that already struggles with foot traffic:
Probably less to do with 220 Riverside retail and more to do with Vista Brooklyn construction costs and securing financing. I'm sure whatever it is (if there is a problem) will materialize to the public before the year is over.
Quote from: thelakelander on March 20, 2018, 07:26:47 PM
Quote from: KenFSU on March 20, 2018, 06:03:49 PMAs recently as December, Hallmark has said that they're still committed to breaking ground on Vista Brooklyn in 2018, but I wouldn't be surprised if they have cold feet, particularly since Vista Brooklyn features another 13,000 square feet of retail in an area that already struggles with foot traffic:
Probably less to do with 220 Riverside retail and more to do with Vista Brooklyn construction costs and securing financing. I'm sure whatever it is (if there is a problem) will materialize to the public before the year is over.
I don't doubt the main issue with Vista comes down to financing.
Apartment financing was relatively easy to get a few years back. I think it has tightened considerably in the last couple of years.
Quote from: vicupstate on March 21, 2018, 05:03:36 AM
Apartment financing was relatively easy to get a few years back. I think it has tightened considerably in the last couple of years.
This is true. Lenders have clamped down on cap rates and are requiring more equity (among other things). Multifamily will look much different in a few years from now.
Quote from: KenFSU on March 20, 2018, 06:03:49 PM
Purely speculation, but Hallmark Partners announced 200 Riverside/Vista Brooklyn shortly after completion of their similar mixed-use project, 220 Riverside, next door.
The woes of the 18,000 SF of retail at 220 Riverside have been well documented, with Sbraga closing quickly, the other restaurants struggling, and Hallmark having to turn over the entire retail section of the development to the bank under threat of foreclosure. Hallmark eventually sold their share of the apartments as well.
As recently as December, Hallmark has said that they're still committed to breaking ground on Vista Brooklyn in 2018, but I wouldn't be surprised if they have cold feet, particularly since Vista Brooklyn features another 13,000 square feet of retail in an area that already struggles with foot traffic:
(http://www.jdavisarchitects.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/VistaBrooklyn_Cam1_HD_090817-edited-JFK_Large.jpg)
Yes, that is pure speculation.
QuoteHallmark eventually sold their share of the apartments as well.
This is how many multifamily transactions work. Oftentimes there is an equity partner, who winds up buying the building once lease up is done and the asset is performing. Mid-American Apartments is a fairly large REIT (it's currently an S&P 500 company) that does these transactions all over the southeast and will do the same with Halmark for 200 Riverside/Vista Brooklyn.
Quoteparticularly since Vista Brooklyn features another 13,000 square feet of retail in an area that already struggles with foot traffic
That is not the case in this situation. There hasn't been a 'delay' in breaking ground, and the retail portion wouldn't really impact the underwriting of a deal like this. Additionally, retail is not struggling in Brooklyn overall. The Regency Centers retail center next door is doing quite well, so well in fact that the Ferber Companies is gearing up for another retail center next door and has some credit tenants (national chains) already lined up.
The residential portion of 220 Riverside is performing very well.
QuoteThe woes of the 18,000 SF of retail at 220 Riverside have been well documented, with Sbraga closing quickly, the other restaurants struggling, and Hallmark having to turn over the entire retail section of the development to the bank under threat of foreclosure. Hallmark eventually sold their share of the apartments as well.
Unity Plaza was designed to be a highly programmed space, and whose programming would support the retail facing the plaza. Was the design flawed? Yes. Was the execution flawed? Yes. Was the mix of retail flawed? Yes. In fact, the retail space closest to Riverside Ave could have been leased to a very successful local restaurant management group, but the developer opted for Brixx instead.
That all said, I wouldn't really say that retail is struggling in Brooklyn because a) Sbraga closed. Kevin Sbraga didn't really even own the restaurant, the developer did. And all of his restaurants (with similar ownership structures) closed... not because his food wasn't good, but because his inflexible concepts and (lack of) management weren't in line with reality. and b) Hobnob is now only open as an event space. The writing was also on the wall with Hobnob (owned by someone with little restaurant experience), when their partner with actual (extensive) restaurant experience pulled out before they opened their doors.
Forcing a square peg into round holes isn't a microcosm for retail in Brooklyn... nor is it the reason why 200 Riverside isn't built yet.
Quote from: KenFSU on March 20, 2018, 06:03:49 PM
The woes of the 18,000 SF of retail at 220 Riverside have been well documented, with Sbraga closing quickly, the other restaurants struggling, and Hallmark having to turn over the entire retail section of the development to the bank under threat of foreclosure. Hallmark eventually sold their share of the apartments as well.
I think this was already addressed by other folks, but I absolutely contend that the 220 Riverside retail setup was terrible and the tenant mix wasn't ideal (they didn't land proven restaurant entities, likely because they didn't want to be buried in a bad setup, and that has led to its struggles.
If the rendering above is ACTUALLY what is built, I don't think they'll have an issue attracting someone legit for a corner location restaurant/retail. They will then do well. I actually think Vista Brooklyn is sort of key for the area. If it is built and does well, I think you'll see some momentum on the other side of Riverside Ave (my speculation)
To get back to the original question, is there an update on 200 Riverside? Still coming, delayed, or dead?
Quote from: Tacachale on March 21, 2018, 09:46:31 AM
To get back to the original question, is there an update on 200 Riverside? Still coming, delayed, or dead?
There is no delay. It is still on schedule based on the newest iteration (taller building, etc). Going taller and adding more leasable space is indicative of needing to make the economics work as the multifamily environment has changed.
The bigger question is when is the City going to seriously help improve infrastructure so the rest of the neighbourhood could see residential growth Northwest of Park Street? Besides roads, sidewalks, lighting, etc all being in an unacceptable state of disrepair, most of the neighbourhood doesn't even basic things like sewer hook-ups. We aren't talking about rural land off Lem Turner... this is an urban neighbourhood that is celebrating its 150th birthday this year.
"The bigger question is when is the City going to seriously help improve infrastructure so the rest of the neighbourhood could see residential growth Northwest of Park Street? Besides roads, sidewalks, lighting, etc all being in an unacceptable state of disrepair, most of the neighborhood doesn't even basic things like sewer hook-ups. We aren't talking about rural land off Lem Turner... this is an urban neighborhood that is celebrating its 150th birthday this year."
Great question. So important and the COJ way behind on this.
I have tried to make the same point about The Shipyards and enviro mediation. Has not really started and so whenever a project gets serious over there we will be waiting on clean up.
Hmmm one of the old local legacies of systematic racism theough public infrastructure investment. The neighborhood still lacks the basic infrastructure most of us take for granted, despite being across the tracks from downtown.
On a project like the Shipyards, the type of remediation that is required will be largely dependent on the future use of the land. Open space, residential uses, midrise apartment buildings, high rise office towers, etc all require different forms of remediation. It wouldn't really make sense to move forward with remediation efforts until the future uses of the property are in place and you are ready to break ground (both metaphorically and physically).
Finally getting started. Port-a-potty delivered yesterday and construction fence going up now.
Nice!
BOOM.
Free ride is over for that black SUV that I see using the lot to park every day :D
This is exciting! I was wondering when it would start as I was driving through Brooklyn yesterday.
I'm excited to see what Brooklyn and Lavilla will look like in twenty years if multi-family housing construction continues.
Truly encouraging news but does this really mean construction on the apartments is imminent? Not a lot of buzz about this since permits were applied for. Any word on an actual start date? Will there be a leasing office opening soon? Really hope actual groundbreaking is starting soon but for all I know this could all just be to have port-a-potties for the convenience of drivers of black SUVs.
This really is exciting with the level of density this project has. Maybe if a hotel or something actually goes in behind the "Unity Plaza" there may be enough density to make the retail work there.
Wonder if they'll bring back the live construction cam.
I'll let everyone know as soon I see anything else happening - like dirt turning. The port-a-potty guy said he was scheduled to drop off a second one over the weekend. We got an email a few days ago telling us to remove our cars and trailer immediately.
Quote from: Kerry on April 05, 2018, 07:41:59 AM
I'll let everyone know as soon I see anything else happening - like dirt turning. The port-a-potty guy said he was scheduled to drop off a second one over the weekend. We got an email a few days ago telling us to remove our cars and trailer immediately.
Confirmed.
Kerry is the black SUV guy :D
I used to park my black SUV there a couple years ago. I assumed that's what that lot was for.
Sorry KenFSU, I'm not the black SUV guy, or the white trailer guy. LOL. I do live at 220 Riverside though.
Construction dumpster delivered this morning.
I hope the building is larger than the current fencing would indicate.
Are they using nearby parcels for parking or was there a garage in the plans?
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on April 09, 2018, 03:00:21 PM
Are they using nearby parcels for parking or was there a garage in the plans?
Adjacent 8-story, 450-ish spot garage, with rooftop gardens and dog park.
Nice! I was worried about the black SUV. Is there retail on the ground floor?? Sorry I feel like this would have been discussed already but I didnt see it and my internet isn't working properly right now.
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on April 09, 2018, 04:07:11 PM
Nice! I was worried about the black SUV. Is there retail on the ground floor?? Sorry I feel like this would have been discussed already but I didnt see it and my internet isn't working properly right now.
Black SUV is probably already lined up for a spot in the garage :D
And yep!
12,500 SF of retail is the plan.
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Quote from: Captain Zissou on April 09, 2018, 02:28:18 PM
I hope the building is larger than the current fencing would indicate.
I am hoping it is just going to be used for the ground clearing operations.
This looks amazing. Starting to look like real critical mass.
Sorry to get everyone's hopes up but it look like a false alarm. Just noticed the equipment being used to do a an exterior weather-proofing project at 220 is being stored inside the construction fencing. Don't know why they would deliver a port-a-potty for a project that is only supposed to take a few weeks but that looks like what happened.
Quote from: Kerry on April 09, 2018, 06:17:00 PM
Sorry to get everyone's hopes up but it look like a false alarm. Just noticed the equipment being used to do a an exterior weather-proofing project at 220 is being stored inside the construction fencing. Don't know why they would deliver a port-a-potty for a project that is only supposed to take a few weeks but that looks like what happened.
A few weeks is a long time to "hold it". :)
:) Well, it isn't like they are on-site 24/7 without access to a bathroom. We have 3 common-area bathrooms.
Quote from: KenFSU on April 09, 2018, 04:11:50 PM
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on April 09, 2018, 04:07:11 PM
Nice! I was worried about the black SUV. Is there retail on the ground floor?? Sorry I feel like this would have been discussed already but I didnt see it and my internet isn't working properly right now.
Black SUV is probably already lined up for a spot in the garage :D
And yep!
12,500 SF of retail is the plan.
(http://www.jdavisarchitects.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/VistaBrooklyn_Cam1_HD_090817-edited-JFK_Large.jpg)
Ahh, I saw this photo earlier but couldnt tell if there was a parking garage in there. So there will be retail on the ground floor of the garage?
Here's another look from a different angle:
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and the proposed ground floor plan:
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Cities/Jacksonville/Development/200-Riverside/i-hZSDj9r/0/9f87bc65/X2/20161215_DDRB%20Agenda%20Packet%20final_Page_87-X2.jpg)
Quote from: Kerry on April 09, 2018, 06:17:00 PM
Sorry to get everyone's hopes up but it look like a false alarm. Just noticed the equipment being used to do a an exterior weather-proofing project at 220 is being stored inside the construction fencing. Don't know why they would deliver a port-a-potty for a project that is only supposed to take a few weeks but that looks like what happened.
Somewhere, in a remote location in Brooklyn, the owner of a black SUV is nodding his head and smiling.
Quote from: Kerry on April 09, 2018, 06:17:00 PM
Sorry to get everyone's hopes up but it look like a false alarm. Just noticed the equipment being used to do a an exterior weather-proofing project at 220 is being stored inside the construction fencing. Don't know why they would deliver a port-a-potty for a project that is only supposed to take a few weeks but that looks like what happened.
It's an OSHA requirement and most building owners don't want dirty construction workers in and out of the restrooms in functioning facilities.
Thanks Lake/Ken,
So I guess the answer is no. But at least it is tucked away on a less conspicuous street?
I guess it is an OSHA thing but all they are doing is re-caulking the windows and doors and they spent almost a month putting down new floors and no port-a -potty.
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on April 10, 2018, 10:01:09 AM
Thanks Lake/Ken,
So I guess the answer is no. But at least it is tucked away on a less conspicuous street?
Yes, the garage would be located in the back of the site. No need to integrate retail into it at that location.
Quote from: Kerry on April 09, 2018, 06:17:00 PM
Sorry to get everyone's hopes up but it look like a false alarm. Just noticed the equipment being used to do a an exterior weather-proofing project at 220 is being stored inside the construction fencing. Don't know why they would deliver a port-a-potty for a project that is only supposed to take a few weeks but that looks like what happened.
Your penance should be to go locate Glenn so we can get his take on the recent Town Center developments. #whereisglenn #ifeelsorryforglennandthebaltimoreguys
Small, vague update from the Daily Record:
Quote"[Hallmark is] out with their equity partners shopping for the rest of the capital to do the project," said DIA CEO Aundra Wallace. "That's about all I know right now."
Keith Goldfaden, a principal with NAI Hallmark Partners, said by email the development group is working through the design and development process toward a fall groundbreaking.
Source: https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/220-riverside-helped-ignite-brooklyn-resurgence
Not to get anyone's hopes up, but noticed a new set of survey markers around this property yesterday.
No permits showing up here: https://buildinginspections.coj.net/
Quote from: Kerry on September 05, 2018, 09:44:18 PM
Not to get anyone's hopes up, but noticed a new set of survey markers around this property yesterday.
But did they move the black SUV?
Quote from: Captain Zissou on September 06, 2018, 10:07:15 AM
Quote from: Kerry on September 05, 2018, 09:44:18 PM
Not to get anyone's hopes up, but noticed a new set of survey markers around this property yesterday.
But did they move the black SUV?
My guess is he's building a garage.
Probably been so long they need a new survey.
Construction on the Vista Brooklyn to begin soon
https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/construction-on-the-vista-brooklyn-to-begin-soon
^BOOM.
Luxury apartments, workforce housing, retail, and hotel developments all imminent.
Anybody who thinks that this economic cycle has somehow missed Jacksonville isn't looking closely enough at Brooklyn and Lavilla.
So much potential still there too between the redevelopment of the Times-Union property and McCoys Creek project.
They should put a Chick Fil A somewhere in there. It will make a fortune.
This is awesome news! I think their retail component will do much better fronting Riverside ave for obvious reasons.
Nice Brooklyn continues its success. From Avondale it serves me very well the Y, Fresh Market, BurgerFi and that part of the Riverwalk are all in the mix of my Families' activities.
Quote from: KenFSU on November 26, 2018, 06:15:19 PM
^BOOM.
Anybody who thinks that this economic cycle has somehow missed Jacksonville isn't looking closely enough at Brooklyn and Lavilla.
JAX has been very late to the recovery and the quantity is still not there compared to other metros, but it hasn't been totally missed. Too much is still being built in the outskirts of town vs. the core.
Yes, DT Jax is way behind what's taken place in many large cities over the last decade. However, many of the booming places also have a lot more being built in the burbs than we do locally as well. My hope is just that we can get as many of the current proposals under construction as soon as possible before the economy sours.
Where will Vestcor's "Lofts at Brooklyn" be located?
Is this what you are looking for Max?
https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/photo-gallery/latest-lofts-project-gets-underway-in-lavilla
At the bottom of the article it mentions Spruce and Jackson Streets...
Yes, the Lofts at Brooklyn project will be built facing Brooklyn Park at the intersection of Spruce and Jackson streets.
Quote from: MusicMan on November 26, 2018, 06:31:20 PM
They should put a Chick Fil A somewhere in there. It will make a fortune.
This Times 1,000. It doesn't even have to have a drive thru. I'd get out of the car.
I'm happy to see this one start to take off. Like Lake said, hopefully we can get as many proposed developments in the works before the downward trend begins.
Quote"We're going to have the best views of Downtown from our amenities deck," Black said.
This is definitely true. I love the views from the upstairs patio at the Burrito Gallery and this will be way better than that. Get ready for thousands of instagram pics from that deck.
Quote from: Steve on November 27, 2018, 09:36:38 AM
Quote from: MusicMan on November 26, 2018, 06:31:20 PM
They should put a Chick Fil A somewhere in there. It will make a fortune.
This Times 1,000. It doesn't even have to have a drive thru. I'd get out of the car.
Is the Chick Fil A at Baptist still in business?
^Yes. It does steady breakfast and lunch business
Quote from: Captain Zissou on November 27, 2018, 10:05:34 AM
Quote"We're going to have the best views of Downtown from our amenities deck," Black said.
This is definitely true. I love the views from the upstairs patio at the Burrito Gallery and this will be way better than that. Get ready for thousands of instagram pics from that deck.
"Heart Hands Sunset!"
Quote from: thelakelander on November 27, 2018, 10:10:08 AM
Quote from: Steve on November 27, 2018, 09:36:38 AM
Quote from: MusicMan on November 26, 2018, 06:31:20 PM
They should put a Chick Fil A somewhere in there. It will make a fortune.
This Times 1,000. It doesn't even have to have a drive thru. I'd get out of the car.
Is the Chick Fil A at Baptist still in business?
Yes, it's just really awkward to stop in there. Maybe easier now that the garage is done across the street.
Quote from: Rynjny on November 26, 2018, 05:38:41 PM
Construction on the Vista Brooklyn to begin soon
https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/construction-on-the-vista-brooklyn-to-begin-soon
I really thought this was in danger of landing on the scrap heap with the collection of 2005-2006 projects. Glad it doesn't appear to be.
Quote from: MusicMan on November 27, 2018, 08:45:47 AM
Is this what you are looking for Max?
https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/photo-gallery/latest-lofts-project-gets-underway-in-lavilla
At the bottom of the article it mentions Spruce and Jackson Streets...
Yep thanks! I must have missed it but hadn't seen it mentioned much or at all until that article.
Quote from: thelakelander on November 27, 2018, 09:22:03 AM
Yes, the Lofts at Brooklyn project will be built facing Brooklyn Park at the intersection of Spruce and Jackson streets.
Cool, will be nice to have penetration into the north/western side of park st.
Nobody freak out, but there are 2 pieces of heavy construction equipment on-site today. A CAT grader and a Volvo front end loader.
Quote from: Kerry on November 28, 2018, 04:30:30 PM
Nobody freak out, but there are 2 pieces of heavy construction equipment on-site today. A CAT grader and a Volvo front end loader.
Nah. The Black SUV called a towing company to have them removed. It was in the SUV's usual parking spot.
Didn't they just say 30 to 45 days? Don't expect to see much until 2019.
Quote from: Kerry on November 28, 2018, 04:30:30 PM
Nobody freak out, but there are 2 pieces of heavy construction equipment on-site today. A CAT grader and a Volvo front end loader.
From Dave Cawton at the Daily Record:
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Okay, It's Happening!!
Quote from: Captain Zissou on November 29, 2018, 12:19:07 PM
Okay, It's Happening!!
"Everyone stay calm, stay f****** calm!" - Michael Scott
Quote from: Jagsdrew on November 29, 2018, 01:41:46 PM
Quote from: Captain Zissou on November 29, 2018, 12:19:07 PM
Okay, It's Happening!!
"Everyone stay calm, stay f****** calm!" - Michael Scott
Nailed it. I tried for like 10 minutes to try and post the GIF, but I couldn't get it to work.
^I've got your back!
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I don't want to jinx it but another piece of construction equipment showed up this morning.
https://www.youtube.com/v/zDAmPIq29ro
Permit for Construction issued:
https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/city-issues-permit-for-vista-brooklyn-apartments
Does anyone have a new and recent development map of Brooklyn?
Quote from: Kerry on November 29, 2018, 02:28:12 PM
I don't want to jinx it but another piece of construction equipment showed up this morning.
Likely legit. Based on the rendering I think the building sits a little lower than the site is currently. First phase of construction is likely playing with dirt.
So, the apartments at 200 Riverside cost roughly $170,000 each. Apartments at St. Johns town center sold for $190,000 each. https://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2018/11/30/town-center-area-apartments-sell-for-46-7-million.html (https://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2018/11/30/town-center-area-apartments-sell-for-46-7-million.html)
Is there really that much demand for studios at $1,300 and one bedrooms closer to $2,000 a month?
200 Riverside will also include retail space.
Quote from: Kiva on November 30, 2018, 05:54:01 PM
So, the apartments at 200 Riverside cost roughly $170,000 each. Apartments at St. Johns town center sold for $190,000 each. https://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2018/11/30/town-center-area-apartments-sell-for-46-7-million.html (https://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2018/11/30/town-center-area-apartments-sell-for-46-7-million.html)
Is there really that much demand for studios at $1,300 and one bedrooms closer to $2,000 a month?
I didn't do the math but to Kerry's point there is 14k SqFt of retail space that you have to include.
But....it wouldn't shock me. The units over there already are similarly priced (as is Bell Riverside not too far away) and no one is hurting in the occupancy department.
^96% occupancy in the area, to be exact.
Demand is definitely outstripping supply all throughout the area.
6th fastest growing zip code for millenials in the nation.
Quote from: KenFSU on December 01, 2018, 01:48:50 PM
^96% occupancy in the area, to be exact.
Demand is definitely outstripping supply all throughout the area.
6th fastest growing zip code for millenials in the nation.
32202?
Do you have a link to that because over the last 2 years I have seen a significant decline in millenial population at 220.
On edit. Found it. Zip code is 32204.
http://news.wjct.org/post/florida-zip-code-fastest-growing-millennial-population-jacksonville
Quote from: Kiva on November 30, 2018, 05:54:01 PM
So, the apartments at 200 Riverside cost roughly $170,000 each. Apartments at St. Johns town center sold for $190,000 each. https://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2018/11/30/town-center-area-apartments-sell-for-46-7-million.html (https://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2018/11/30/town-center-area-apartments-sell-for-46-7-million.html)
Is there really that much demand for studios at $1,300 and one bedrooms closer to $2,000 a month?
There's only 600 units between 220 Riverside and Brooklyn Riverside. There are single apartment complexes in the burbs with more units. For comparison's sake, Bartram Park alone is approved for 9,700 units. Not many people are asking if there's demand for the new construction still going up out there. Sit back and enjoy the ride. The urban core is way overdue when it comes to adding new multi-family residential.
They removed the railroad ties that outlined the property this morning before the rains came.
Just update - crew at work this morning removing the gravel parking surface. It should be a smooth dirt lot by this afternoon.
Thanks for the updates, Kerry!
It's been 48 hours. What's happening over there Kerry?!?! Where is the black SUV?
Kerry could you check and see if Fresh Market has finally refilled the Honey Roasted Peanut Butter dispenser?
Conspiracy theory: The black SUV runs off honey roasted peanut butter.
Quote from: KenFSU on December 06, 2018, 11:28:49 AM
Conspiracy theory: The black SUV runs off honey roasted peanut butter.
Don't move, Ken. The FBI are on their way now, don't make them have to look for you.
If we can't even get the HRPB in Brooklyn these other projects may be too ambitious.
What is HRPB?
Honey Roasted Peanut Butter.... OBVIOUSLY
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Situation degrading.
Fresh Market has decided they cannot provide fresh PB in Brooklyn and is pulling the offering.
Drove by last night and saw no construction equipment on site. How long before Music Man starts talking about crickets?
I was also unable to procure any Honey Roasted Peanut Butter at Fresh Market.
#RIPHRPB
Construction has started. Heavy equipment is on site and they have cleared the property across Magnolia for the construction trailers and materials. Magnolia will be closed for the next 2 years between Jackson and ground floor parking entrance at 220. The parking on the Fresh Market side of 220 will be permanently closed Monday morning. Also, the on-street parking on Jackson has been fenced off.
Also after a few Tweets the HRPB has been restored at the Brooklyn Fresh Market. Oh the wonderful things that can be done.
^I don't know what I'm more excited about. Construction or the return of HRPB. What a week!
Quote from: Captain Zissou on January 04, 2019, 10:57:44 AM
^I don't know what I'm more excited about. Construction or the return of HRPB. What a week!
Black SUV was almost certainly involved in some way.
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I know the city doesn't believe much in planning, but have there been any references to the number of residents or residential units that the Brooklyn neighborhood can accommodate? Also, any traction in YMCA or Times Union properties? Is there simply no interest in those plots?
No not any that I can think of. Some neighborhoods outside of downtown in major cities have densities of more than 30k per square mile. Brooklyn will never be that with all the surface parking included in most of the new development. So, although there may not be an official max out population number, it could be potentially much higher than anything Jax could stomach.
Quote from: jaxnyc79 on January 07, 2019, 01:55:51 PM
I know the city doesn't believe much in planning, but have there been any references to the number of residents or residential units that the Brooklyn neighborhood can accommodate? Also, any traction in YMCA or Times Union properties? Is there simply no interest in those plots?
Back when I was a City Planner calculating build out population was a simple as drawing a box around the area you were interested in and selecting Build Out Population. The GIS system took the number of housing units per acre allowed, multiply by the number of acres available, then multiplied by average number of people per housing unit. Of course, that can change based on variances, zoning changes, and such, but it was easy to do.
Quote from: jaxnyc79 on January 07, 2019, 01:55:51 PMAlso, any traction in YMCA or Times Union properties? Is there simply no interest in those plots?
Times-Union/Morris know what they're sitting on with that Brooklyn property.
I think we'll see them aggressively market it once the Times-Union operations are fully moved out in Q2.
We'll likely find out today whether it happens or not - my guess is no - but they entertained thoughts of submitting a proposal for the JEA RFP.
Any chance we will see changes to merge of Riverside Ave and the traffic coming off the Acosta?
Yes, as a part of another retail development:
(https://photos.moderncities.com/Cities/Jacksonville/Development/Brooklyn-Place/i-bwqbx8R/0/6c0907b2/L/20180712%20DDRB%20Agenda%20Packet_Page_52-L.jpg)
https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/new-plans-for-brooklyn-place-retail-center-emerge/
Is Road Diet for Riverside Avenue a sure thing? If so, it appears to be creating a potential conflict, as cars from the Acosta Bridge will have to merge one lane to the left, into the 2 lanes coming from Jefferson Street, to avoid being trapped into the right-turn-only lane into the shopping center (Stonewall Street).
Is the interior of the existing loop ramp used for drainage? Where does that water go?
Quote from: Charles Hunter on January 08, 2019, 01:47:33 PM
Is Road Diet for Riverside Avenue a sure thing?
No. There is no funding for a Riverside Ave/Brooklyn road diet in the current 5 year CIP. That's not to say that it can't be added down the road... but it's just an unfunded nice-to-have at present.
I was at Fresh Market last night and it looks like there is the base of a tower crane on the Vista site. Can't wait to see some vertical construction.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on March 06, 2019, 09:21:32 AM
I was at Fresh Market last night and it looks like there is the base of a tower crane on the Vista site. Can't wait to see some vertical construction.
What is the Honey Roasted Peanut Butter situation?
Quote from: Steve on March 06, 2019, 10:47:53 AM
Quote from: Captain Zissou on March 06, 2019, 09:21:32 AM
I was at Fresh Market last night and it looks like there is the base of a tower crane on the Vista site. Can't wait to see some vertical construction.
What is the Honey Roasted Peanut Butter situation?
Critical.
Tower crane went up today!
Is there a live video stream??
Vista Brooklyn has its major ground floor tenant.
https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/nai-hallmark-moving-headquarters-to-vista-brooklyn
Would have preferred retail to office, but cool move by NAI Hallmark and continues momentum for Brooklyn.
Considering this has been in the works for over 5 years and they are just now announcing that they're moving their headquarters, do you think it's due to an inability to lease up space? If they had tenants paying top dollar, I don't think they would have taken the space.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on June 04, 2021, 11:00:01 AM
Considering this has been in the works for over 5 years and they are just now announcing that they're moving their headquarters, do you think it's due to an inability to lease up space? If they had tenants paying top dollar, I don't think they would have taken the space.
Yea....this move is nice to get some employees there, but I can't say I'm particularly excited. It's better than vacant space, but realistically given the number of employees we're talking would we even comment if they moved into 245 Riverside or another office building there? This doesn't help the environment on the weekends or nights.
They have left the corners open for retail, such as a dry cleaner, pub, etc. Not unusual when compared to other cities actually.
Quote from: jaxjags on June 04, 2021, 05:04:01 PM
They have left the corners open for retail, such as a dry cleaner, pub, etc. Not unusual when compared to other cities actually.
If this was their intention all along, i think it would have been announced months or years ago.