Urban Dictionary covered the word 'microaggressions' on point IMO.
QuoteActs or words that are perceived to be insulting by a person who is looking to be insulted, whether or not that was the intent of the transgressor. Usually a symptom of a persecution complex. (n)
Person 1: "Hey I'm hungry, do you want to go to KFC for lunch?"
Person 2: "What? You think I want to eat fried chicken JUST BECAUSE I'M BLACK?"
Person 1: "Wha? No, I just..."
Person 2: "You can take your microaggressions and shove them, you racist SOB."
The National Review (satire) joked that a room full of whites is a microaggression; That's not too far from the truth with modern day liberalism. The Reason video below in the link sickens me. Victimhood served on a platter...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_4-BqSIUD8
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/418273/university-study-certain-rooms-are-microaggressions-themselves-katherine-timpf
Quote from: I-10east on December 09, 2015, 01:48:57 AM
Urban Dictionary covered the word 'microaggressions' on point IMO.
QuoteActs or words that are perceived to be insulting by a person who is looking to be insulted, whether or not that was the intent of the transgressor. Usually a symptom of a persecution complex. (n)
Person 1: "Hey I'm hungry, do you want to go to KFC for lunch?"
Person 2: "What? You think I want to eat fried chicken JUST BECAUSE I'M BLACK?"
Person 1: "Wha? No, I just..."
Person 2: "You can take your microaggressions and shove them, you racist SOB."
The National Review (satire) joked that a room full of whites is a microaggression; That's not too far from the truth with modern day liberalism. The Reason video below in the link sickens me. Victimhood served on a platter...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_4-BqSIUD8
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/418273/university-study-certain-rooms-are-microaggressions-themselves-katherine-timpf
I don't know how I feel about microaggression theory, but this post shows you don't really get it (and the video indicates that a lot of people don't get it, either - though I wouldn't expect anything less from "Reason").
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/microaggressions-in-everyday-life/201011/microaggressions-more-just-race (https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/microaggressions-in-everyday-life/201011/microaggressions-more-just-race)
^^^Reason prefaced by saying that microaggressions are "Statements which communicate hostile, derogatory, or negative messages to target PERSONS based solely upon their marginalized GROUP membership". So I'm not sure how "they didn't get it" just because they didn't break down each group; Racial 'microaggressions' obviously can parallel along with gender and sexual orientation. So Reason and I are 'off base' but not those eggshell walking brainwashed students, okay SMH...
Some have this assumption that Reason is this far right organization, and that's far from the truth. They kill Republicans, and everyone equally; Look through their youtube feed, and you'll quickly realize that. No matter what category, there's a fine line between legit grievances and liberal victimhood.
Like the "Persecution of Christians " constantly claimed by conservatives, usually Republicans, including candidates for President?
Quote from: I-10east on December 09, 2015, 02:49:29 AM
^^^Reason prefaced by saying that microaggressions are "Statements which communicate hostile, derogatory, or negative messages to target PERSONS based solely upon their marginalized GROUP membership". So I'm not sure how "they didn't get it" just because they didn't break down each group; Racial 'microaggressions' obviously can parallel along with gender and sexual orientation. So Reason and I are 'off base' but not those eggshell walking brainwashed students, okay SMH...
Some have this assumption that Reason is this far right organization, and that's far from the truth. They kill Republicans, and everyone equally; Look through their youtube feed, and you'll quickly realize that. No matter what category, there's a fine line between legit grievances and liberal victimhood.
You didn't get it because of your example (the KFC thing). They didn't get it because they presented examples out of context and simply said "is this a microaggression". One of the guys they interviewed did mention that it would depend on context, but they quickly cut away. Statements cannot be considered outside of their context - the statements are meaningless without context.
As to the whole idea of people "reporting microaggressions" or whatever, I think that is stupid. I would argue that students should report such behavior if it is institutional - but I wouldn't think anything could be accomplished if individuals were being reported. I would think the better course of action would be to address it with the person involved. As this sort of thing is often unconscious, it would make sense to bring it to the person's attention.
As far as Reason magazine and TV are concerned - they are a so-called "libertarian" organization. I am very familiar with their work - my sister's ex is an editor and writer for Reason.
^^^Logic will not get in the way of someone taking a comment out of context (claiming a statement is a microaggression) so the KFC thing is valid. Campuses all over America are turned to eggshell walking institutions, in constant fear of offending someone just like the video; If anything, you don't 'get it' Adam.
Quote from: I-10east on December 09, 2015, 12:22:58 PM
Campuses all over America are turned to eggshell walking institutions, in constant fear of offending someone
Just out of curiosity, when was the last time you were on a college campus?
MacroNotUnderstandingSh!#.
Person 1. Hey I don't like when Police kill unarmed African Americans.
Person 2. You liberals are just looking to be offended.
Funny enough, I happened to just read this article online and it contains an actual, perfect example of a microagression.
The story is about a soccer player - previously pretty much unknown -who has become the breakout star of this year's Premier League season. The relevant quote (from a Mulsim cab driver):
I met his eyes in the rear-view mirror again. He said that even a small comment that passengers think is harmless, "like when they talk to me and say that they're happy that I'm not like the others," still hurts, makes him question his worth. I add that racism disabuses you of the delusion of equality, that delusion needed for self-actualization. You have to believe you deserve to exist, that you matter as much as any other human being, in order to believe you can achieve your full potential. Racism reminds you that some people believe you to be more animal than person; faceless, violent, undeveloped biologically and undeserving of even basic kindness.
I don't know how any rational person could argue that comments such as that should be considered acceptable.
http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2015/12/8/9871534/jamie-vardy-consecutive-goals-racism?ref=yfp (http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2015/12/8/9871534/jamie-vardy-consecutive-goals-racism?ref=yfp)
Vardy is a great story though. Man, amateur football 5 years ago to leading the EPL.
Quote from: fsquid on December 09, 2015, 03:51:28 PM
Vardy is a great story though. Man, amateur football 5 years ago to leading the EPL.
True. He'll no doubt go somewhere for a lot of money and then disappoint. But until then, it's pretty exciting. I kind of hope Leicester win the league. Everyone keeps expecting them to drop off at some point, but they just keep winning.
Quote from: Adam White on December 09, 2015, 05:11:13 PM
Quote from: fsquid on December 09, 2015, 03:51:28 PM
Vardy is a great story though. Man, amateur football 5 years ago to leading the EPL.
True. He'll no doubt go somewhere for a lot of money and then disappoint. But until then, it's pretty exciting. I kind of hope Leicester win the league. Everyone keeps expecting them to drop off at some point, but they just keep winning.
as a Sheffield Wednesday fan, it gives me hope which Red says is a dangerous thing.
Quote from: JeffreyS on December 09, 2015, 03:22:51 PM
MacroNotUnderstandingSh!#.
Person 1. Hey I don't like when Police kill unarmed African Americans.
Person 2. You liberals are just looking to be offended.
Dumb.
Quote from: stephendare on December 09, 2015, 05:29:19 PM
btw. its dumb to call this 'liberalism'. Its a theory dating back to the 1970s and is neither liberal nor conservative.
But hey, when you get your information from "Reason", what do you expect?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microaggression_theory
The black professor that coin the words 'microaggressions' definitely isn't a conservative, I'll tell you that. No one else but liberals/Democrats that love to give victimization to minorities, so it is a liberal/Dem thing. Just like the whole 'ebonics' stuff back then, which is basically lowering of the standards, you probably embrace that also. I'm sure that those students at Occidental are far right wingers...
^^^I was talking about 'microaggressions' than you go jumping to affirmative action. It didn't mention anything about affirmative action, and you act as if I was offbase talking about something that I didn't even mention. Anything to make you look smart with the condescending toned 'you should study' offbase argument huh Stephen? I don't think that affirmative action is 'victimization' but it does lower the standards.
^^^I NEVER said that professor was a victim, you once again put words into my mouth. You are the king of putting words in someone's mouth, like alphabet soup.
The Microaggression Theory has it's critics (I know, all of them are racist right?) so don't go acting like it's some gospel that's blasphemous to criticize.
Quote from: stephendare on December 09, 2015, 11:12:54 PM
I 10, can you, in your own words, explain Microaggression theory and give a practical example of what its talking about?
Why? I know what it is. Stop the condescending crap.
Quote from: I-10east on December 09, 2015, 12:22:58 PM
^^^Logic will not get in the way of someone taking a comment out of context (claiming a statement is a microaggression) so the KFC thing is valid. Campuses all over America are turned to eggshell walking institutions, in constant fear of offending someone just like the video; If anything, you don't 'get it' Adam.
Just because a person - a student for example - might take something out of context doesn't mean that microaggressions (or whatever you want to call them) aren't real. And it doesn't mean it's not an issue.
Me asking you if you want to go to KFC for lunch isn't a microaggression. Me assuming you want to eat chicken and watermelon because you're black is. That's the issue of context.
As I said before, I only think students should report these sorts of things if they are something the school or its staff are doing. And when it comes to staff, it depends on the situation. When dealing with individuals, the better option is to have a polite word and resolve it that way. That's assuming it's unintentional. Intentionally racist/sexist/whatever behavior probably should be reported.
The microagression *theory* isn't particularly political, and it makes a lot of sense. You'd have to be pretty dense to think that microagressions - generally unintentional slights about groups of people that are minor on their own but add up to a denigrating message - aren't real.
However, the fixation on microagressions and the rise of complaints about them is heavily driven by colleges and is driven by liberal thoughtmakers, primarily in the educational sphere. Jonathan Haidt has been writing about this for a while now. He and Greg Lukianoff wrote an interesting piece involving this and related issues in the Atlantic a few months ago, "The Coddling of the American Mind" (http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/). Here's (http://righteousmind.com/where-microaggressions-really-come-from/) another piece discussing a new paper on "Microaggression and Moral Cultures".
This said, it does seem that some of the backlash against microagression complains is just as politically motivated on the other side. Critics (unlike Haidt) sometimes use the "political correctness run wild" trump card as a way of dismissing opponents and their arguments. But it doesn't change the fact that there are legitimate gripes about the way microagressions are discussed and handled.
Quote from: Tacachale on December 10, 2015, 01:31:05 PM
The microagression *theory* isn't particularly political, and it makes a lot of sense. You'd have to be pretty dense to think that microagressions - generally unintentional slights about groups of people that are minor on their own but add up to a denigrating message - aren't real.
However, the fixation on microagressions and the rise of complaints about them is heavily driven by colleges and is driven by liberal thoughtmakers, primarily in the educational sphere. Jonathan Haidt has been writing about this for a while now. He and Greg Lukianoff wrote an interesting piece involving this and related issues in the Atlantic a few months ago, "The Coddling of the American Mind" (http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/). Here's (http://righteousmind.com/where-microaggressions-really-come-from/) another piece discussing a new paper on "Microaggression and Moral Cultures".
This said, it does seem that some of the backlash against microagression complains is just as politically motivated on the other side. Critics (unlike Haidt) sometimes use the "political correctness run wild" trump card as a way of dismissing opponents and their arguments. But it doesn't change the fact that there are legitimate gripes about the way microagressions are discussed and handled.
I agree. I think some small slights are what is going to happen in any society - learning to deal with them and address them (if necessary) in a constructive way is important.
That said, if a university student union had a fried chicken and chitlins meal in honor of MLK day, then it would be worthwhile to complain about it.
This seems to be another hot button issue that is getting way more press than it deserves. At least I've not heard anyone gripe about the evils of "common core" lately.
Quote from: Adam White on December 10, 2015, 01:42:22 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on December 10, 2015, 01:31:05 PM
The microagression *theory* isn't particularly political, and it makes a lot of sense. You'd have to be pretty dense to think that microagressions - generally unintentional slights about groups of people that are minor on their own but add up to a denigrating message - aren't real.
However, the fixation on microagressions and the rise of complaints about them is heavily driven by colleges and is driven by liberal thoughtmakers, primarily in the educational sphere. Jonathan Haidt has been writing about this for a while now. He and Greg Lukianoff wrote an interesting piece involving this and related issues in the Atlantic a few months ago, "The Coddling of the American Mind" (http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/). Here's (http://righteousmind.com/where-microaggressions-really-come-from/) another piece discussing a new paper on "Microaggression and Moral Cultures".
This said, it does seem that some of the backlash against microagression complains is just as politically motivated on the other side. Critics (unlike Haidt) sometimes use the "political correctness run wild" trump card as a way of dismissing opponents and their arguments. But it doesn't change the fact that there are legitimate gripes about the way microagressions are discussed and handled.
I agree. I think some small slights are what is going to happen in any society - learning to deal with them and address them (if necessary) in a constructive way is important.
That said, if a university student union had a fried chicken and chitlins meal in honor of MLK day, then it would be worthwhile to complain about it.
This seems to be another hot button issue that is getting way more press than it deserves. At least I've not heard anyone gripe about the evils of "common core" lately.
I hardly think that a meal like that on MLK day would be a "micro" aggression. My issue with the whole thing is that it focuses energy that could be devoted to other things on something that's really pretty trivial. Colleges have worked to become about the most open, accepting places for minorities and women in the world, but they still focus on dealing with smaller and smaller offenses on their own campuses when there are much more serious issues elsewhere. The reason certain minority groups are under-represented or under-performing at colleges compared to peers isn't because white people sometimes unintentionally say dumb things there. It's because of structural inequalities in society at large. It's another incentive for people to paint themselves as aggrieved victims, and makes it easier for critics to paint colleges as driven by silly people focused on unreasonable things.
Quote from: Tacachale on December 10, 2015, 03:47:31 PM
Quote from: Adam White on December 10, 2015, 01:42:22 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on December 10, 2015, 01:31:05 PM
The microagression *theory* isn't particularly political, and it makes a lot of sense. You'd have to be pretty dense to think that microagressions - generally unintentional slights about groups of people that are minor on their own but add up to a denigrating message - aren't real.
However, the fixation on microagressions and the rise of complaints about them is heavily driven by colleges and is driven by liberal thoughtmakers, primarily in the educational sphere. Jonathan Haidt has been writing about this for a while now. He and Greg Lukianoff wrote an interesting piece involving this and related issues in the Atlantic a few months ago, "The Coddling of the American Mind" (http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/). Here's (http://righteousmind.com/where-microaggressions-really-come-from/) another piece discussing a new paper on "Microaggression and Moral Cultures".
This said, it does seem that some of the backlash against microagression complains is just as politically motivated on the other side. Critics (unlike Haidt) sometimes use the "political correctness run wild" trump card as a way of dismissing opponents and their arguments. But it doesn't change the fact that there are legitimate gripes about the way microagressions are discussed and handled.
I agree. I think some small slights are what is going to happen in any society - learning to deal with them and address them (if necessary) in a constructive way is important.
That said, if a university student union had a fried chicken and chitlins meal in honor of MLK day, then it would be worthwhile to complain about it.
This seems to be another hot button issue that is getting way more press than it deserves. At least I've not heard anyone gripe about the evils of "common core" lately.
I hardly think that a meal like that on MLK day would be a "micro" aggression. My issue with the whole thing is that it focuses energy that could be devoted to other things on something that's really pretty trivial. Colleges have worked to become about the most open, accepting places for minorities and women in the world, but they still focus on dealing with smaller and smaller offenses on their own campuses when there are much more serious issues elsewhere. The reason certain minority groups are under-represented or under-performing at colleges compared to peers isn't because white people sometimes unintentionally say dumb things there. It's because of structural inequalities in society at large. It's another incentive for people to paint themselves as aggrieved victims, and makes it easier for critics to paint colleges as driven by silly people focused on unreasonable things.
I don't disagree with anything you said there.
My favorite on the left Bill Maher killed it again! American liberalism would be alot better if they took some key principles from Bill Maher.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luhSVN5mgNY
As a gay Filipino, I've experienced countless microaggressions before I even knew there was a term for it.
"Hey, we're all going home, but you can finish the rest of the work for the team because you're Asian. Don't stay too late."
"You're gay? You don't seem like *those* (more effeminate) gays."
As early as 6th grade, my teacher explained the rubric for my work would be "adjusted" and my workload "balanced" because my grades were outliers and disrupted the grade distribution (diminished the curve for the rest of my classmates).
This.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10B9Fc8BmR0
"Gee! You're tall for a woman, Asian, Indian, Irish, Micronesian, little person, Mexican" ...... says something about the mind-set of the speaker. It could be innocent-ignorant or prejudiced/racist/nationalist.
I think a lot of "micro-aggressions" fall into the innocent-ignorant category, but doesn't mean that they don't sting the listener.
I've felt the same when someone in New York told me, "You don't sound like a Southerner." Did he mean "ignorant hick" or "no recognizable accent"? Context matters as much as the actual words.
Quote from: Dog Walker on April 09, 2016, 06:47:08 PM
"Gee! You're tall for a woman, Asian, Indian, Irish, Micronesian, little person, Mexican" ...... says something about the mind-set of the speaker. It could be innocent-ignorant or prejudiced/racist/nationalist.
I think that most of those 'microaggressions' fall into the innocent-ignorant' category, then a mountain is made out of a molehill afterwards. Louis CK in his stand up act once said 'racism is silent' and that's usually the case, but most (from a certain political persuasion) is so infatuated with the 'outspoken give no 'f**ks' racist that blurts out hate (of course only white people can be racist in this PC realm, not that I agree).
The most racist people assault or even kill you over your race (it's ignored and looked away by the lamestream media) and it's some of that going on today, not gonna go into detail. I've been through some verbal racial crap as a black man, big freaking deal!!! I was born in the 70s, I guess that I'm too UN-PC for today's 'walking on eggshells' age.
Switching subjects dramatically, I think that for the most part Islam in America is fine; Over the pond, it's more radicalized. Those liberal policies (because they wanna feel good) with bringing those immigrants to countries over there (Belgium, Germany, France, Sweden etc) and look at the outcome? Civilized nations are being turned into extremist hellholes; Yes Europe, the continent that liberals love so much, and think is so perfect. Thank goodness for the Atlantic Ocean.
Quote from: I-10east on April 10, 2016, 11:09:26 PM
Quote from: Dog Walker on April 09, 2016, 06:47:08 PM
"Gee! You're tall for a woman, Asian, Indian, Irish, Micronesian, little person, Mexican" ...... says something about the mind-set of the speaker. It could be innocent-ignorant or prejudiced/racist/nationalist.
I think that most of those 'microaggressions' fall into the innocent-ignorant' category, then a mountain is made out of a molehill afterwards. Louis CK in his stand up act once said 'racism is silent' and that's usually the case, but most (from a certain political persuasion) is so infatuated with the 'outspoken give no 'f**ks' racist that blurts out hate (of course only white people can be racist in this PC realm, not that I agree).
The most racist people assault or even kill you over your race (it's ignored and looked away by the lamestream media) and it's some of that going on today, not gonna go into detail. I've been through some verbal racial crap as a black man, big freaking deal!!! I was born in the 70s, I guess that I'm too UN-PC for today's 'walking on eggshells' age.
Switching subjects dramatically, I think that for the most part Islam in America is fine; Over the pond, it's more radicalized. Those liberal policies (because they wanna feel good) with bringing those immigrants to countries over there (Belgium, Germany, France, Sweden etc) and look at the outcome? Civilized nations are being turned into extremist hellholes; Yes Europe, the continent that liberals love so much, and think is so perfect. Thank goodness for the Atlantic Ocean.
I wish people would give refugees a break.
Also, it's worth considering that the reason why the Muslim population in the UK is so large is due to its colonial history. The UK wouldn't have so many people of Indian, Pakistani and Bangledeshi descent if it hadn't ruled India for so long. Add to that places like Malaysia and other Commonwealth countries with majority Muslim populations. Refugees only make up a very small proportion of the Muslims in the UK.
I can't vouch for Sweden, but France is in much of the same boat, having owned pretty much the entire Maghreb and parts of sub-Saharan Africa for so long.