Not a police department, Stephen -- a one-party political machine.
Decades of Democrat political control, decades of control by the police union, and this is what they now have.
QuoteIn February [2015], Kalven obtained a copy of McDonald's autopsy, which contradicted the official story that McDonald had died of a single gunshot to the chest. In fact, he'd been shot 16 times—as Van Dyke unloaded his service weapon, execution style—while McDonald lay on the ground.
The next month [March 2015], the City Council approved a $5 million settlement with McDonald's family, whose attorneys had obtained the video. They said it showed McDonald walking away from police at the time of the shooting, contradicting the police story that he was threatening or had "lunged at" cops. The settlement included a provision keeping the video confidential.
Hmmmmm. Is the media going to follow the logical import of the timeline and ask the appropriate questions?
In
February 2015 Rahm Emmanuel was forced into a runoff for mayor, getting 45% of the vote and his challenger 34%. In
March 2015 they (the City of Chicago) politically settled the case for millions and included a confidentiality provision regarding the video. Had that video been allowed to come out before the
April 2015 vote for mayor, good ole Rahm Emmanuel probably wouldn't be mayor right now.
Wow.
Get rid of public sector unions!
That's a disappointing statement you make, to say the least, Rattler. Yes, Chicago is a corrupt city. It has been for over a century. To claim that is because of "public service unions" is laughable, though. I am a teacher, and yes, a member of a "public service union". It is not corrupt, it does not protect the jobs of people who SHOULDN'T BE TEACHING, it does not lead me to be a lazier person. It does protect me from the very corruption that you claim to be against. You really want me fired so your children can be taught by the superintendent's brain-dead brother-in-law, who couldn't buy a job? That's exactly what you will get, the minute you remove this "public service union" from existence.
By the way, if you really want to think about the impact of the union on America, consider what period of time our economy was the strongest. Most anyone would tell you from the 1950's to the 80's. Exactly coinciding with union membership being at its peak. Have some unions overstepped their bounds? Oh, hell yes. Bring THEM back down to earth. But, please don't try to lump all of them into one big ball, simply because you can site an example of these.
RattlerGator, I know where you are coming from....it's the same old misguided propaganda that's been handed-out since the beginning of the last century, especially in the South. My dad felt the same way and can be tolerated as he was born in 1910. This way of thinking should have gone out with his generation. The ridiculous belief that union membership means that you can't be fired, run the local government, ruin education, increase prices, and are socialist is just plain ignorant. Unions are a sign of a free society, not a reason for all society's problems. For many decades union labor in Jacksonville built all the big buildings and projects and the craftsmanship is excellent. They hired experienced, trained, and competent workers and paid good wages and benefits. Now with the thinking of people such as yourself, we have collapsing parking garages, illegal workers, more deadly on-the-job accidents, low wages, no benefits, and still you blame unions. The problem with our economy today isn't people, especially working people, having too much power, it's quite the opposite. I think you'll find that most part political corruption in large cities is carried out by non-union, politically connected people who are out for their own interests. Can you blame the high costs of healthcare and a bloated military budget on unions as well?
Quote from: TimmyB on November 25, 2015, 07:38:07 PM
That's a disappointing statement you make, to say the least, Rattler. Yes, Chicago is a corrupt city. It has been for over a century. To claim that is because of "public service unions" is laughable, though. I am a teacher, and yes, a member of a "public service union". It is not corrupt, it does not protect the jobs of people who SHOULDN'T BE TEACHING, it does not lead me to be a lazier person. It does protect me from the very corruption that you claim to be against. You really want me fired so your children can be taught by the superintendent's brain-dead brother-in-law, who couldn't buy a job? That's exactly what you will get, the minute you remove this "public service union" from existence.
By the way, if you really want to think about the impact of the union on America, consider what period of time our economy was the strongest. Most anyone would tell you from the 1950's to the 80's. Exactly coinciding with union membership being at its peak. Have some unions overstepped their bounds? Oh, hell yes. Bring THEM back down to earth. But, please don't try to lump all of them into one big ball, simply because you can site an example of these.
This comment sort of proves your were an education major!
Quote from: civil42806 on November 26, 2015, 05:35:55 PM
Quote from: TimmyB on November 25, 2015, 07:38:07 PM
That's a disappointing statement you make, to say the least, Rattler. Yes, Chicago is a corrupt city. It has been for over a century. To claim that is because of "public service unions" is laughable, though. I am a teacher, and yes, a member of a "public service union". It is not corrupt, it does not protect the jobs of people who SHOULDN'T BE TEACHING, it does not lead me to be a lazier person. It does protect me from the very corruption that you claim to be against. You really want me fired so your children can be taught by the superintendent's brain-dead brother-in-law, who couldn't buy a job? That's exactly what you will get, the minute you remove this "public service union" from existence.
By the way, if you really want to think about the impact of the union on America, consider what period of time our economy was the strongest. Most anyone would tell you from the 1950's to the 80's. Exactly coinciding with union membership being at its peak. Have some unions overstepped their bounds? Oh, hell yes. Bring THEM back down to earth. But, please don't try to lump all of them into one big ball, simply because you can site an example of these.
This comment sort of proves your were an education major!
A Social Sciences major, with two later degrees in Mathematics, actually.
Either way, not sure what your comment means.(?)
Quote from: stephendare on November 26, 2015, 06:40:33 PM
Education = liberal peril
Yeah, I'm one of those flaming liberals who believes that well-trained teachers and administrators should be allowed to carry concealed weapons; one of those commies who believes the welfare system is a complete joke that causes generation after generation to be dependent upon the state; you know, Marx worshiper, and everything.
Of course, I was more into Groucho and Harpo than Karl, but Marxism is Marxism, I guess!
I don't care what anyone says, the older liberal cities (the Chicago's, Detroit's, and Baltimore's of the world) are by far the worst concerning modern day crime and corruption. There is no comparison. Liberal cities with lower crime rates usually 'price out' any 'unwanteds' which lead to lower crime; Cities like NY (also helped with stop and frisk) and San Francisco.
I don't give a damn about 'protecting any political brand' whether donkey or elephant, both parties are really screwed up if you ask me. IMO liberals protect their brand far more than conservatives; Conservatives usually talk issues and many times are flexible, while liberals come with this 'all or nothing, protecting everything blue' way of thinking.
Cincinnati is known for its high crime and it's just as conservative as Jax. What does liberal or conservative have to do with it? Criminals commit crimes regardless of party affiliation.
^^^IMO conservative policies preach on 'pulling yourself by the bootstraps' and being responsible, while liberals preach on minority victimhood, and infantilization of minorities (esp blacks). Throw money at the problem (rewarding misfit baby factory mothers with welfare, child support and other programs) and it will go away; That's been a proven failure. I'm not trying to be some mouthpiece for the 'red team' but back in the day blacks were more successful when we were more conservative in nature; More two parent households etc.
Quote from: thelakelander on November 28, 2015, 08:16:57 AM
Cincinnati is known for its high crime and it's just as conservative as Jax. What does liberal or conservative have to do with it? Criminals commit crimes regardless of party affiliation.
FWIW, Cincy has had a Dem mayor since '84.
Quote from: I-10east on November 28, 2015, 08:34:57 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on November 28, 2015, 08:16:57 AM
Cincinnati is known for its high crime and it's just as conservative as Jax. What does liberal or conservative have to do with it? Criminals commit crimes regardless of party affiliation.
FWIW, Cincy has had a Dem mayor since '84.
Local politics aren't as simple as red and blue. Brown was a Dem and one could argue that he was more conservative than Lenny Curry has been so far.
Those stats were very vague Stephen, with nothing differentiating from DEM to REP. Let me guess 'all people that believe in govt' are DEMS, and the others are REPS right? LOL. Anytime anyone veers away from what I said with trivial matters (like vague stats), I know that I made a good point. Is the DEM party paying you to uphold everything blue?
I know I worship everything from "Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, and Sean Hannity right"? LOL. Well for the record, here are some things that I hate about Republicanism (many principles are common, but not ALWAYS for all of you micromanaging drill sergeants out there...).
Anti abortion
Lack of separation of church & state
The trickle down economics theory
Anti LGBT policies
Derivatives (in Wall Street) and other anti government abuses
Military industrial complex
^All I was referring to was the inaccuracy of this particular statement. Crime isn't dictated by party politics.
Quote from: I-10east on November 28, 2015, 08:10:49 AM
I don't care what anyone says, the older liberal cities (the Chicago's, Detroit's, and Baltimore's of the world) are by far the worst concerning modern day crime and corruption. There is no comparison. Liberal cities with lower crime rates usually 'price out' any 'unwanteds' which lead to lower crime; Cities like NY (also helped with stop and frisk) and San Francisco.
Lake, I wasn't trying to sneak in some 'parting shot' at you with my 'things I hate about Republicanism' many people say that I'm brainwashed by FNC all of the time, LOL.
I still think generally that many DEM policies can be criminal friendly. There are plenty of instances of this. There was a Wilmington, DE politician at a meeting and he blamed the city's crime wave on racism, simple as that. After Hurricane Katrina, many NOLA criminals fled to Houston; Some got put away in Houston thinking that they could get away with the same crap, so many went back to the more liberal NOLA; Granted Houston isn't some pristine low crime metro, but still. There are many instances of DEMS looking at criminals (even violent ones) as 'downtrodden misguided youth' instead of the bad criminals that they are.
You are putting words in my mouth once again with this 'I want blacks in jail' BS....There are more whites on SNAP? yes. Blacks are only 13 percent of the population; now when you 'make sense' and compute those demographics on a per capita, oh dear!! That doesn't fit the liberal narrative, now does it?? That's besides the point anyway. The reason why I used those examples (what you think is black bashing) is because liberal policies were prevalent with those examples. I don't care about violent criminals, black, white, Hispanic, Asian etc, no apologies Stephen.
Black sure did fine (having robust communities etc) before being 'coddled' (perfect word thanks Stephen) with Affirmative Action, midnight basketball, recreational centers (to keep us outta trouble) rewarding baby makers, police overtime money spent making sure that we don't kill each other etc. Oh, but liberalism and LBJ happened, there's no turning back...
I'm done with this topic, because I refuse to believe in this black victimization liberal bullcrap. I have as much of a poor upbringing than most; If I'm not out there killing people, slanging dope etc, I will not make any excuse for anyone. What to do with a murderer? Capital punishment or throw away the key. How uncivil right? Yeah, as uncivil as wrongly taking one's life...