Construction Begins on Final Phase of SR 9B
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On September 8, 2015, construction began on the final phase of State Road 9B, from I-95 to County Road 2209 (St. Johns Parkway) in northern St. Johns County.
Read More: http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2015-oct-construction-begins-on-final-phase-of-sr-9b
AWESOMENESS!!!
So....
Looking at the maps I see a Racetrack road extension and a connection at Russell Sampson road...nevermind just my own question.
I was under the false assumption that it was going to connect up to St. Johns Parkway. Which is a nice and quiet drive at the moment when you want to take the back roads to 210, I was worried about it turning into San Jose blvd.
The road does end at St. John's Parkway south of the entrance to Creekside HS. There is not an exit at Russel Sampson, just a flyover.
Quote from: Transman on October 16, 2015, 09:21:28 AM
The road does end at St. John's Parkway south of the entrance to Creekside HS. There is not an exit at Russel Sampson, just a flyover.
Thanks, I had trouble telling from the map. So my fears of that quiet drive ending over the next few years will come true!
Another road built in Duval mainly for the benefit of St. Johns.
Why did they name it "Peyton Parkway???" What did he do that was so great to deserve that honor?
Quote from: coredumped on October 16, 2015, 10:09:09 AM
Why did they name it "Peyton Parkway???" What did he do that was so great to deserve that honor?
I have to admit I laughed when I saw it is named after him. A one mile road.
I will be interested in seeing how the extra traffic on 9B is handled by the 4 lane to 2 lane mess on 9A. Can only get worse.
Quote from: copperfiend on October 16, 2015, 10:35:17 AM
I will be interested in seeing how the extra traffic on 9B is handled by the 4 lane to 2 lane mess on 9A. Can only get worse.
Insane there.
Quote from: copperfiend on October 16, 2015, 10:34:17 AM
Quote from: coredumped on October 16, 2015, 10:09:09 AM
Why did they name it "Peyton Parkway???" What did he do that was so great to deserve that honor?
I have to admit I laughed when I saw it is named after him. A one mile road.
Maybe it'll be delayed 5 years and be 3x over budget so they figured they'll name it after him.
Peyton Parkway - when you own the property, you can name the road whatever you want. And it is a short road.
The situation north of 9B is why the state is adding those toll lanes.
Quote from: copperfiend on October 16, 2015, 10:34:17 AM
Quote from: coredumped on October 16, 2015, 10:09:09 AM
Why did they name it "Peyton Parkway???" What did he do that was so great to deserve that honor?
I have to admit I laughed when I saw it is named after him. A one mile road.
If Gate donated the land to have the road built, who cares whose name is on it?
Actually St Johns County plans to connect that exit to Nocatee Parkway and call it "Durbin Parkway" so the Peyton name may be a very short distance.
^Where can I find a map of that connection spuwho?
Quote from: Charles Hunter on October 16, 2015, 11:12:57 AM
The situation north of 9B is why the state is adding those toll lanes.
And how many years after the new 9B/95 connection is open will those new lanes be open?
Quote from: fsquid on October 16, 2015, 11:01:41 AM
Quote from: copperfiend on October 16, 2015, 10:35:17 AM
I will be interested in seeing how the extra traffic on 9B is handled by the 4 lane to 2 lane mess on 9A. Can only get worse.
Insane there.
I have been to plenty of other cities and do not recall a 4 lane major highway, where the far left and far right lane end essentially at the same time.
Quote from: thelakelander on October 16, 2015, 12:01:19 PM
^Where can I find a map of that connection spuwho?
http://www.sjcfl.us/GIS/TransportationMaps.aspx (http://www.sjcfl.us/GIS/TransportationMaps.aspx)
Construction of the new toll lanes should begin next year. Don't know how long it will take to build them.
This road would make more sense if it tied to the outer beltway southeast of Rivertown, St. Johns Parkway follows a high power line RofW and interestingly, the Nocatee Parkway (expressway) could tie in south of Bass Pro and Bartram Park. A east-west high power line RofW intersects the north-south RofW about 2,500' south of Russell Sampson and runs behind Creekside High School offering a chance for shifting the roads into a more southwestern direction. Just Sayin'
Quote from: coredumped on October 16, 2015, 10:09:09 AM
Why did they name it "Peyton Parkway???" What did he do that was so great to deserve that honor?
In fact,Peyton family acreage holdings in the area have played a central "Growth Management" role.
Even the creation of the Twelve Mile Swamp Conservation Area involved Peyton lands consideration,transfer of development credits,and some well known local attorneys,land use specialists,planners & consultants. Pappas et al.
And Delaney had a strong hand in the Beltway. St Johns and Clay owe a debt of gratitude to Duval!
Obviously,northern Clay and St Johns never really liked itself in the past,considering the zeal,effort put forth towards Transformation.
What we see in fresh concrete today was put in place piece by piece over many years, so predictable,.....while some here imagined "sprawl' controls would somehow direct an emphasis on Duval.
There is something they call "the purple alternative" that seems to kind of match what Ock is suggesting. It connects the outer beltway with 9B/I795. I'm not sure which one I prefer. Having the outer beltway intersect at 95 between 210 and International Golf Parkway or go up to meet 9B. Either way it is going to open up that section of St. Johns County to a lot more traffic and congestion. Makes me take a second look about where exactly I want to buy a house. I'd hate to buy a house that eventually has an interstate built right behind it.
http://firstcoastexpressway.com/SJRBridge/images/alternatives/Purple%20Alternative.pdf (http://firstcoastexpressway.com/SJRBridge/images/alternatives/Purple%20Alternative.pdf)
They'll connect via a future extension of CR 2209. It just won't be an expressway.
The southbound lanes connecting to 95 are opening this weekend
http://www.news4jax.com/traffic/new-state-road-9b-to-open
QuoteThe new State Road 9B, connecting U.S. 1/Philips Highway to Interstate 95, is scheduled to open to traffic in stages starting this weekend, the Florida Department of Transportation announced Wednesday.
Southbound lanes and ramps of the new roadway will open Sunday morning and northbound lanes and ramps are scheduled to open the following week, FDOT said.
I work in the area and we got this memo about some new traffic changes in the area.
1. Beginning Monday morning - Vehicles traveling south on SR 9B will need to stay on the new southbound SR 9B, cross over US1 via the new bridge overpass and then exit off SR 9B at the new exit ramp. (The current signage for the new ramp lists Durbin Blvd but will soon be changed to Flagler Center Drive). Please make note – vehicles which mistakenly get off southbound SR 9B at the existing US1 off ramp will not be able to go straight across the intersection and continue on Gran Bay Parkway.
2. Also, beginning Monday morning – Vehicles leaving that usually leave via Gran Bay Parkway to US1 and turn north on US1 will no longer be able to do so. The Gran Bay approach to US1 is being converted to a dual right turn only this weekend.
So Item #2: Cars on Gran Bay wanting to make a left turn to US1 North won't be able to do that anymore? That doesn't even make sense. And they won't be able to go straight and get on 9B? That makes even less sense. Of course, this is FDOT that just gave us the new left exit on the overland bridge to Atlantic Ave which has already caused so many near crashes I don't go that way any more.
Quote from: Kerry on June 02, 2016, 03:03:38 PM
So Item #2: Cars on Gran Bay wanting to make a left turn to US1 North won't be able to do that anymore? That doesn't even make sense. And they won't be able to go straight and get on 9B? That makes even less sense. Of course, this is FDOT that just gave us the new left exit on the overland bridge to Atlantic Ave which has already caused so many near crashes I don't go that way any more.
It sounds like they will have to go to St Augustine Rd in order to turn left on US1
Quote from: copperfiend on June 02, 2016, 04:04:52 PM
Quote from: Kerry on June 02, 2016, 03:03:38 PM
So Item #2: Cars on Gran Bay wanting to make a left turn to US1 North won't be able to do that anymore? That doesn't even make sense. And they won't be able to go straight and get on 9B? That makes even less sense. Of course, this is FDOT that just gave us the new left exit on the overland bridge to Atlantic Ave which has already caused so many near crashes I don't go that way any more.
It sounds like they will have to go to St Augustine Rd in order to turn left on US1
I guess that's the idea. Here's the rendering (Page 2):
http://www.sr9b.com/Phase2/SiteCollectionDocuments/SR_9B_Phase_2_April_2013_REV_2a.pdf (http://www.sr9b.com/Phase2/SiteCollectionDocuments/SR_9B_Phase_2_April_2013_REV_2a.pdf)
It seems like they overthought this, but I guess every reasonable traffic movement is possible, just in a rather bizarre way, EXCEPT cars that want to go from Gran Bay Parkway and get on 9B; I'm not sure how the are supposed to? I guess they just have to get on 95 from Old St Augustine (which backs up bad at rush hour).
Call me anti-development or against progress or whatever but it's sad see the rural character of Northern St. Johns county disappearing so fast. Once you develop these lands they're gone forever. Although I see the need for 9B, it's like mainlining potent develpoment serum into that area. Shoot, I can remember when Russel Sampson (now CR 222902929, or whatever) was a dirt road. This new "bigger than Town Center" development is a real shame IMO.
When you look at the aerial of Palm Coast for example you can see the effects of over development. Here's hoping the County Comission in St. Johns can approach development with an even handedness.
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Quote from: lastdaysoffla on September 19, 2016, 11:59:43 AM
When you look at the aerial of Palm Coast for example you can see the effects of over development. Here's hoping the County Comission in St. Johns can approach development with an even handedness.
Don't count on that. They've given no signals that that's the way they're going.
Quote from: lastdaysoffla on September 19, 2016, 11:59:43 AM
Call me anti-development or against progress or whatever but it's sad see the rural character of Northern St. Johns county disappearing so fast. Once you develop these lands they're gone forever. Although I see the need for 9B, it's like mainlining potent develpoment serum into that area. Shoot, I can remember when Russel Sampson (now CR 222902929, or whatever) was a dirt road. This new "bigger than Town Center" development is a real shame IMO.
When you look at the aerial of Palm Coast for example you can see the effects of over development. Here's hoping the County Comission in St. Johns can approach development with an even handedness.
(https://i.imgsafe.org/00a212be85.png)
While I wouldn't call Palm Coast an urban development, they do have good integration of the developments and they come together. For a suburban town layout, they probably have a better density rating than Duval.
Northern St Johns has large greenspace boundaries between the developments which forces lower densities and makes the sprawl farther relative to the number of people they support.
Which raises a good question, raise densities and force everyone into more common greenspaces, or keep densities lower and distribute the greenspace proportionally?
^If you want a better chance at being physically sustainable at a public level, more density is needed to support the infrastructure being subsidized to support it.
Quote from: Tacachale on September 19, 2016, 12:23:38 PM
Don't count on that. They've given no signals that that's the way they're going.
One can hope. It's absurd that the Commission and the PZA are basically compelled by law that they approve developments that meet the requirements. They have very little room to deny applications and if they do, the developers are allowed to sue until they approve. Why have a Commission and PZA? Why not just let the developers run free, which is basically how it is now. Especially with Commissioners serving that used to work for developers. There is a specific example of that in the recent past. The woman's name escapes me at the moment. I know of only two recent developments that got denied, one down on CR 206 that was just incredibly large and out of place and one that was stopped for the time being by a community members banding together. A friend of mine was a part of that and he is cautiously optimistic that they will succeed. The community needs more of that.
Quote from: spuwho on September 19, 2016, 12:35:09 PM
While I wouldn't call Palm Coast an urban development, they do have good integration of the developments and they come together. For a suburban town layout, they probably have a better density rating than Duval.
Northern St Johns has large greenspace boundaries between the developments which forces lower densities and makes the sprawl farther relative to the number of people they support.
Which raises a good question, raise densities and force everyone into more common greenspaces, or keep densities lower and distribute the greenspace proportionally?
Well I wasn't bringing up Palm Coast as an urban sprawl example, more of just a demonstration of what unchecked suburban growth looks like. Very unappealing to me. It seems every square foot is now endless cookie cutter houses. Reminds me of the The Villages in Central Florida.
As far as density, I don't see how the developments could get any more dense without being townhouses or something of that sort. The setbacks are only ten feet in most cases. I honestly don't see how there is so much demand for houses on a fraction of an acre with only ten feet separating them.
With respect to greespaces, recently I had seen that the County had revised the mitigation requirements for new developments. Lowering the amount of trees that need to remain or be replaced. The so called mitigation lands are pitifully tiny compared to whats being destroyed.
I would like to see more passive parks in NW SJC, to date I think there is only one in the area. Not counting the Julington-Durbin Preserve which is almost entirely in Duval. The access to the canoe trail on Durbin creek was recently closed due to the construction of the 9B and the "bigger than Town Center" development borders the Preserve which is a shame. I know the developers said that greenspace will be incorporated into the plan. I'm skeptical of that promise. We'll unfortunately have to wait and see if it will be real greenspace or a retention pond behind a Wal-Mart type greespace.
^Palm Coast and The Villages are two planned suburban communities. Unchecked sprawl looks more like this:
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I really hope the development stays on the north side of the county, I would hate to lose the farming communities like Hastings and Molasses Junction to sprawl. Anytime I take friends visiting from out of state down that way I get a lot of: "I thought Florida only did oranges.", so I think its a part of Florida that people don't associate with it.