What is going on with Annabelle Lee and Lady St. Johns paddle boats docked by Chart House? Ran by them last night and Lady St. Johns is sinking. It is halfway in the water. Debris is floating around it.
Talk about blight, geez. Looks horrible.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/diesel-leaking-from-sinking-boat/35567802
http://www.news4jax.com/news/partially-submerged-riverboat-remains-on-southbank/35622100
from actionsnewsjax:
"I believe it's going to have to be lifted from the back with a crane to get it to the water line where you can pump it out. But after that, I don't believe there will be a problem," Eaton said.
An issue with Eaton's new plan is getting the necessary equipment to the parking lot near the boat.
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/news/local/lady-st-johns-still-stuck-partially-submerged-st-j/nny5z/#sthash.5vQJjaJN.dpuf (http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/news/local/lady-st-johns-still-stuck-partially-submerged-st-j/nny5z/#sthash.5vQJjaJN.dpuf)
The night shot of the sinking boat would make a great new logo for the city. ;)
QuoteThe back end of the river boat sank 10 days ago, leaking 150 gallons of diesel fuel into the river.
150 gallons?!?! :o :o :o :-[
If it was sitting idle for so long why did she have so much fuel in her?
To say that the liquids leaking from the boat were or are being contained is mularkey. I was on the Southbank riverwalk on Sunday and the oil sheen was on the outside of the booms. I also noticed a Pepsi vending machine floating in the boat.
Is the city not fining the owner daily?
I have a feeling this pile of garbage is going to be sitting there for a while....
Lady St Johns, although afloat was looking mighty unkempt a couple of months ago during the campaigns. My wife and I both noted that the candidate that had the banner displayed on her was not served well by the image. Perhaps a metaphor. (Yep- he lost...... 8) )
Vessels that appear shabby on the exterior often exhibit interior troubles,challenges,deferred maintenance & repairs. There are myriad ways for a vessel to sink at the dock.
What a bummer of a name to be involved in this. Trying not to place 'metaphor' energy to it, although Ocks' comment as to Logo is classic.
Might make a kayak run to the scene- likely magnificent photo op. Somethin' special about kayak level views, downtown light,setting.
And new camera,replacing the one that soaked in my own downtown swamp.............
DUWA
Downtown Urban Waterway Adventure. What a dynamic waterway.
Stay dry unless intending to get wet!
Quote from: lastdaysoffla on October 15, 2015, 10:29:14 PM
I also noticed a Pepsi vending machine floating in the boat.
Noone !? ;)
Oh boy!
http://www.news4jax.com/news/lady-st-john-still-sinking-into-st-johns-river/36102452 (http://www.news4jax.com/news/lady-st-john-still-sinking-into-st-johns-river/36102452)
QuoteThe offices for Jax River Cruises, the owner of the Lady St. John, are now empty and attempts to find the owner of the company have ended unsuccessfully.
The pier, where the boat sits, is owned by the city of Jacksonville but the city has given no word on what they plan to do with the sinking vessel.
Just look across the river at the abandoned condo and Liberty street cave in to see what is going to happen... >:(
Can't anyone just come and salvage this thing based on maritime law? I guess it could be such a huge POS no one wants to mess with it.
The city will eventually have to deal with it, tow it and then slap a lien against it to pay for the removal.
Quote from: mtraininjax on October 30, 2015, 11:00:06 AM
The city will eventually have to deal with it, tow it and then slap a lien against it to pay for the removal.
Just like the abandoned condo across the river??
Quote from: Bridges on October 30, 2015, 09:04:24 AM
Oh boy!
http://www.news4jax.com/news/lady-st-john-still-sinking-into-st-johns-river/36102452 (http://www.news4jax.com/news/lady-st-john-still-sinking-into-st-johns-river/36102452)
QuoteThe offices for Jax River Cruises, the owner of the Lady St. John, are now empty and attempts to find the owner of the company have ended unsuccessfully.
The pier, where the boat sits, is owned by the city of Jacksonville but the city has given no word on what they plan to do with the sinking vessel.
Stay positive!
I believe Dane Lucas was the owner years ago. Don't know about today..
Quote from: Ocklawaha on October 15, 2015, 02:21:54 PM
The night shot of the sinking boat would make a great new logo for the city. ;)
+1
EC- Exceptional Charter!
Isn't it the status quo that you can claim an abandoned boat if you can haul it off? If so, dibs.
Quote from: Tacachale on November 01, 2015, 04:06:18 PM
Isn't it the status quo that you can claim an abandoned boat if you can haul it off? If so, dibs.
I think the fact that it's tied to the dock may disqualify that whole thing. However it works.
Quote from: acme54321 on November 01, 2015, 04:49:57 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on November 01, 2015, 04:06:18 PM
Isn't it the status quo that you can claim an abandoned boat if you can haul it off? If so, dibs.
I think the fact that it's tied to the dock may disqualify that whole thing. However it works.
http://myfwc.com/boating/waterway/derelict-vessels/claims-process-faqs/ (http://myfwc.com/boating/waterway/derelict-vessels/claims-process-faqs/)
"Florida has no salvage laws giving the finder of an abandoned vessel rights of ownership. Florida is a title state, thereby requiring a transfer of vessel title from owner to purchaser in order to obtain legal ownership. A person who finds an abandoned vessel and who wants to make claim to it must comply with Section 705.103, Florida Statutes. This will allow for a person to make claim to the property and make application for title transfer into his name."
Also, interesting to note, money is not the only way they can go after the owner (emphasis mine):
"Derelict vessel owners can face both civil and criminal penalties which may include jail."
Quote from: PeeJayEss on November 02, 2015, 09:39:00 AM
Quote from: acme54321 on November 01, 2015, 04:49:57 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on November 01, 2015, 04:06:18 PM
Isn't it the status quo that you can claim an abandoned boat if you can haul it off? If so, dibs.
I think the fact that it's tied to the dock may disqualify that whole thing. However it works.
http://myfwc.com/boating/waterway/derelict-vessels/claims-process-faqs/ (http://myfwc.com/boating/waterway/derelict-vessels/claims-process-faqs/)
"Florida has no salvage laws giving the finder of an abandoned vessel rights of ownership. Florida is a title state, thereby requiring a transfer of vessel title from owner to purchaser in order to obtain legal ownership. A person who finds an abandoned vessel and who wants to make claim to it must comply with Section 705.103, Florida Statutes. This will allow for a person to make claim to the property and make application for title transfer into his name."
I'm not sure about how all that works, but call in a sinking boat to the coast guard and you'll never see Sea Tow or Tow Boat US show up so fast in your life to try to tie a line to it and salvage it. They must put a lien on it or something. I've been it first hand twice, both times in state waters.
Almost forgot, I took some pictures while by there over the weekend: (incoming, LARGE!)
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=0BzaCaN7mJ948N0dmWkRfWHl4UDg)
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=0BzaCaN7mJ948Ukt5N2lqd21FWms)
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=0BzaCaN7mJ948Q05SZElNOGtkc1E)
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=0BzaCaN7mJ948TzNQRDBIRVdrQ2s)
That must have impressed the Florida/Georgia fans in town for the game! They could take a pic of the sinking boat with the bombed out Berkman in the background. Nothing's says we love our city better than hat image. Maybe we can save it for the Gator Bowl visitors too.
In any other city this would've been towed by a local agency if the owner didn't work out arrangements the day it happened. Leave it to Jax to let it sit there as yet another eyesore. Aren't we supposed to have a "blight" department?
If it is state waters I think it is FWC that hauls out abandoned boats. But I don't think this is technically abandoned.
http://myfwc.com/boating/waterway/derelict-vessels/
That AC unit is brand new...
Quote from: BridgeTroll on November 04, 2015, 06:30:23 AM
That AC unit is brand new...
Hah! I noticed that while I was there. There's another one to the far left of the last pic. Hard to see in the shade, but it looks to be the same model and the same age, except that one is only just above the water line.
Quote from: PeeJayEss on November 04, 2015, 08:52:17 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on November 04, 2015, 06:30:23 AM
That AC unit is brand new...
Hah! I noticed that while I was there. There's another one to the far left of the last pic. Hard to see in the shade, but it looks to be the same model and the same age, except that one is only just above the water line.
A bit surprised some urban tactical salvage has not occurred...lol
Quote from: Overstreet on November 03, 2015, 09:48:25 PM
If it is state waters I think it is FWC that hauls out abandoned boats. But I don't think this is technically abandoned.
http://myfwc.com/boating/waterway/derelict-vessels/
For insight,current events (even if carefully crafted) contact COJ Waterways Jim Suber 904-509-0588
Quote from: BridgeTroll link
A bit surprised some urban tactical salvage has not occurred...lol
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We're goin' at it stealth like,under water access,out of common sight
There are some abandoned shrimp boats out there on the Trout River like the Jessica Lorraine. You can get a good view of them when taking the Jax Zoos airboat tour. When I first saw them I was surprised, as they are like virtual ghost ships out there.
Quote from: PeeJayEss on November 02, 2015, 09:40:56 AM
Also, interesting to note, money is not the only way they can go after the owner (emphasis mine):
"Derelict vessel owners can face both civil and criminal penalties which may include jail."
Not in EC - Entitlement County
Anyone else feeling sorry for the Baltimore guys 2014-412? Losers! Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting 7 days out. Hope to get in a RICO loop. Will now have to include the Wreck of the Lady St. Johns in the tour.
I am Downtown and why you aren't.
Who's next?
Quote from: Know Growth on November 04, 2015, 10:26:44 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll link
A bit surprised some urban tactical salvage has not occurred...lol
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We're goin' at it stealth like,under water access,out of common sight
+1
Looks like this thread is going the way of the Lady St. Johns...
Nobody really believes in a true potential sinking event until it occurs,even in an internet thread.
Naw,not now ;)
This morning I received a text from Noone; Tides Perfect (speaks H20 volumes) fish the Downtown "Wreck".Listen to Melissa Ross on the Kayak Radio. Classic Noone.
Classic DUWA. Do What? Do the classic......Downtown Urban Waterway Adventure. New Chapter; 'The Wreck'
Some day,when we figure out rights and appropriate exposure for signature DUWA photos,we might even post some here.Video audio version will feature Melissa Ross program(s).
Called in on First Coast Connect. Launched at RCB- "Republican Corrine Brown" mitigation Kayak launch. Or how the locals call it "River Country Bubbas" kayak launch.
Took it over to the Northbank and fished under the NO FISHING signs that was never before Waterways. Caught a nice catfish using a Honey Bun for bait. Took it over to the Wreck of the Lady St. Johns. Got some great pics. Then did a Vivian Harrell KJB blue bag cleanup. Tossed in some Environmental Ethics -Vince Seibold on the JEA property. JEA- Building Community- Yeah right. Kayaked up to the ADA HANDICAPPED watercraft hand launch parking spot next to the DCPS building and the fence was down. Will Mayor Curry make it happen for the wheel chair gang? Will the CEO of the DIA Aundra Wallace and Guy Parola make this a priority at the 11/12/15 Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting?
Stay Positive.
We want everyone to
Visit Jacksonville!
Quote from: PeeJayEss on November 05, 2015, 10:09:26 AM
Looks like this thread is going the way of the Lady St. Johns...
And it just keeps on delivering!
Will this even be discussed at the 11/12/15 Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting? Next a Barge? Then a Navy Ship? The Lady St. Johns and it's status should be a concern.
Overstreet, did you or anyone with the Fla. Sea Kayak Assoc. get any pics of the wreck of the Lady St. Johns?
Visit Jacksonville!
There was a lot of discussion on this today at the 12/9/15 Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting after it was announced by councilwoman Lori Boyer at the 12/8/15 Jacksonville city council meeting that the Wreck of the Lady St. Johns would be gone by the end of December.
One potential delay is the boat that they were going to use to remove it is also sinking. Can't make this stuff up.
Councilperson Lori Boyer stated yesterday that she had assurances from the owner that the boat would be removed by year end.
Just came from the Wreck of the Lady St. Johns. CBS 47 is there. Capt. Jim Suber Waterways Coordinator is there. Hope to have on a barge in the morning and then taken to Trout River. Everything donated. Public, Private, Partnership.
Thanks for the update Noone.
Anyone know what the deal is with the owner? Why is he/she not being held accountable?
Quote from: coredumped on December 11, 2015, 10:41:35 PM
Thanks for the update Noone.
Anyone know what the deal is with the owner? Why is he/she not being held accountable?
Yes.
Quote from: Noone on December 13, 2015, 05:47:24 AM
Quote from: coredumped on December 11, 2015, 10:41:35 PM
Thanks for the update Noone.
Anyone know what the deal is with the owner? Why is he/she not being held accountable?
Yes.
Always informative...
Quote from: BridgeTroll on December 13, 2015, 07:40:22 AM
Quote from: Noone on December 13, 2015, 05:47:24 AM
Quote from: coredumped on December 11, 2015, 10:41:35 PM
Thanks for the update Noone.
Anyone know what the deal is with the owner? Why is he/she not being held accountable?
Yes.
Always informative...
lol, yeah Noone, can you elaborate a bit on this. You said in the post that "Everything donated. Public, Private, Partnership." So how is the owner being held responsible for this if it's taking tax dollars and donations?
Quote from: coredumped on December 13, 2015, 07:00:52 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on December 13, 2015, 07:40:22 AM
Quote from: Noone on December 13, 2015, 05:47:24 AM
Quote from: coredumped on December 11, 2015, 10:41:35 PM
Thanks for the update Noone.
Anyone know what the deal is with the owner? Why is he/she not being held accountable?
Yes.
Always informative...
lol, yeah Noone, can you elaborate a bit on this. You said in the post that "Everything donated. Public, Private, Partnership." So how is the owner being held responsible for this if it's taking tax dollars and donations?
Sure I can elaborate. But instead of getting more posts pulled we can all only hope that one media outlet in TV, print, radio, the administration, Councilwoman Boyer, Capt. Suber the Waterways Coordinator any JWC member, DIA can be there in the morning and just ask and tell us all how the owner is being held responsible and the breakdown of donations, and tax dollars.
(http://i.imgur.com/CH42bFf.gif)
Just left the Wreck of the Lady St. Johns. Waiting on another pump. Can't make this stuff up.
Maybe it will hang around for the next one spark and someone can pitch sinking it completely to make an artificial reef/dive attraction.
Walked by a few minutes ago and it was partially floated. Looks like they have a crane lifting the back up while they pump. Lots of water coming out sonit appears whatever kind of hole is in the hullnis pretty substantial.
Should be towed this afternoon. Media interviews?
When are they towing the other one?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=943858085667851&set=a.275329589187374.72435.100001310042088&type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=943858085667851&set=a.275329589187374.72435.100001310042088&type=3&theater)
Going, going, gone....
Quote from: acme54321 on December 14, 2015, 08:49:00 PM
Walked by a few minutes ago and it was partially floated. Looks like they have a crane lifting the back up while they pump. Lots of water coming out sonit appears whatever kind of hole is in the hullnis pretty substantial.
Likely a broken hose at a through hull fitting. Many neglected boats sink because the hose leak.
QuoteCity officials say it's up to the boat's owner to cover the removal costs but they didn't know how much that is.
The boat's owner will also have to pay the city a rental fee for the dock space it's taken up since September.
Action News Jax reached out to the owner of Lady St. Johns, but did not receive a response.
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/news/local/crews-working-lift-sunken-dinner-boat-st-johns-riv/nphjD/
Most vessel sinking occur dockside. Often preventable/predictive.
"Insurance" surveys and other reviews provide direction..........
Hopefully COJ had effective dockage agreement in hand,such details would typically include owner marine insurance particulars.Who Knows??
I challenge any and all here to procure a copy of Lady St. Johns dock agreement(s) from your government.